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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Pellet Review Gate => Topic started by: SagaciousKJB on April 22, 2018, 04:57:58 AM
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I don't see many people with praise for these pellets, and more people with negative things to say, but if you search the forums for them you'll find a lot of favorable chronographs, group sizes and match scores with these pellets.
I've shot these pellets for about 7 years now with a lot of different rifles from a Crosman 2100, to my Silver Kodiak X2, to my Vantage NP. I use to get 1/4" groups at 25 yards with the Crosman 2100 and these pellets, and while my skills don't transfer to a springer quite as well, I get excellent chronograph numbers and find them to be an extremely effective pesting pellet.
Since my Silver Kodiak X2 has interchangeable barrels, I've shot them both in the 7.4 grain .177 variety and the 14.3 .22 variety. I can typically find the .177 variety in tins of 250 for $3-$4 locally, and the .22 tend to be $5-$6. They're even more affordable online if bought in bulk.
I've tried a lot more expensive and "better" pellets, but honestly I just keep coming back to these because they're cheap, widely available and do a decent enough job at both plinking and pesting.
This is a recent string I shot with them using my Vantage NP
920
913
917
925
899
928
918
926
913
927
927
916
920
924
922
916
920
915
918
908
912
903
915
925
902
917
917
914
917
High: 928
Low: 899
Average: 917
Spread: 29
Sd: 7
I also took a few shots at 24 yards...
774
770
754
771
771
778
High: 778
Low: 754
Average: 769
Spread: 24
Sd: 8
So that gives these .177 ones a BC of .0170
I don't really have a lot of awesome groups with them, but here is one I found I did with the .22 variety. I haven't really been able to do much better with any of the more expensive and " better" JSB or Air Arms varieties. I know I have seen others do better groups and get better match scores with these types of pellets than I'd be capable of.
So given all that I'm not sure why these aren't more well-liked.
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I don't think that there is anything inherently wrong with the Crosman Pointed pellets, Sagacious, other than that they lack the 'sex appeal' of other brands like JSB, H&K, RWS, etc. I think that for general shooting and plinking, the price/performance ratio is hard to beat.
Kindest regards,
Al
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For 25 yards or so they are ok in some of my guns. By ok I mean I'd rather pay more for a better pellet.
Since I rarely shoot at that short of range? And I've found the pointed to go really wild out farther.
I don't shoot any pointed pellet anymore.
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Out to 27yards in the side folding XS5, they shoot pretty good for me. I just started using them because I had the tin sitting around and no other guns were sighted in with them.
I think they are similar to WCs, in that past a certain range, and above a certain velocity, they have a harder time.
If the reason they have a lower BC is the more abrupt edge from nose to side (like a wadcutter) I bet they are good on game.
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For 25 yards or so they are ok in some of my guns. By ok I mean I'd rather pay more for a better pellet.
Since I rarely shoot at that short of range? And I've found the pointed to go really wild out farther.
I don't shoot any pointed pellet anymore.
I don't really have the skill to shoot real good groups, but I can plink shotgun shells at 45 yards with them pretty well. A few misses here or there of course that would make a group open up, but for just plinking or pesting, I can get pretty good accuracy with them out to 50 yards.
Out to 27yards in the side folding XS5, they shoot pretty good for me. I just started using them because I had the tin sitting around and no other guns were sighted in with them.
I think they are similar to WCs, in that past a certain range, and above a certain velocity, they have a harder time.
If the reason they have a lower BC is the more abrupt edge from nose to side (like a wadcutter) I bet they are good on game.
I always figured they didn't get effected like normal pointed pellets, since they're not really points... More like dull conical shapes. They should call them "Coneheads".
But the .0170 BC is pretty low compared to what ChairGun says their domed counterparts should get. Yet still higher than the 0.0150 I hear specified for most pointed pellets.
In practice though, I've had really good luck with them taking out collared doves and starlings and even a rabbit last season. My .22 was only putting out 14 ft/lbs at the muzzle so even when I would hit them dead on at 50 yards with the 14.3 grain ones, there were some fly-aways, so I try to limit my shots to ~40 or under.
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For 25 yards or so they are ok in some of my guns. By ok I mean I'd rather pay more for a better pellet.
Since I rarely shoot at that short of range? And I've found the pointed to go really wild out farther.
I don't shoot any pointed pellet anymore.
I don't really have the skill to shoot real good groups, but I can plink shotgun shells at 45 yards with them pretty well. A few misses here or there of course that would make a group open up, but for just plinking or pesting, I can get pretty good accuracy with them out to 50 yards.
Out to 27yards in the side folding XS5, they shoot pretty good for me. I just started using them because I had the tin sitting around and no other guns were sighted in with them.
I think they are similar to WCs, in that past a certain range, and above a certain velocity, they have a harder time.
If the reason they have a lower BC is the more abrupt edge from nose to side (like a wadcutter) I bet they are good on game.
I always figured they didn't get effected like normal pointed pellets, since they're not really points... More like dull conical shapes. They should call them "Coneheads".
But the .0170 BC is pretty low compared to what ChairGun says their domed counterparts should get. Yet still higher than the 0.0150 I hear specified for most pointed pellets.
In practice though, I've had really good luck with them taking out collared doves and starlings and even a rabbit last season. My .22 was only putting out 14 ft/lbs at the muzzle so even when I would hit them dead on at 50 yards with the 14.3 grain ones, there were some fly-aways, so I try to limit my shots to ~40 or under.
Yes, it’s not a pure cone.
I killed quite a few birds with Crosman points in a 2200 when I was a teenager.
Comparatively, do you like them more in .22 or .177?
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For 25 yards or so they are ok in some of my guns. By ok I mean I'd rather pay more for a better pellet.
Since I rarely shoot at that short of range? And I've found the pointed to go really wild out farther.
I don't shoot any pointed pellet anymore.
I don't really have the skill to shoot real good groups, but I can plink shotgun shells at 45 yards with them pretty well. A few misses here or there of course that would make a group open up, but for just plinking or pesting, I can get pretty good accuracy with them out to 50 yards.
Out to 27yards in the side folding XS5, they shoot pretty good for me. I just started using them because I had the tin sitting around and no other guns were sighted in with them.
I think they are similar to WCs, in that past a certain range, and above a certain velocity, they have a harder time.
If the reason they have a lower BC is the more abrupt edge from nose to side (like a wadcutter) I bet they are good on game.
I always figured they didn't get effected like normal pointed pellets, since they're not really points... More like dull conical shapes. They should call them "Coneheads".
But the .0170 BC is pretty low compared to what ChairGun says their domed counterparts should get. Yet still higher than the 0.0150 I hear specified for most pointed pellets.
In practice though, I've had really good luck with them taking out collared doves and starlings and even a rabbit last season. My .22 was only putting out 14 ft/lbs at the muzzle so even when I would hit them dead on at 50 yards with the 14.3 grain ones, there were some fly-aways, so I try to limit my shots to ~40 or under.
Yes, it’s not a pure cone.
I killed quite a few birds with Crosman points in a 2200 when I was a teenager.
Comparatively, do you like them more in .22 or .177?
I think the .22 might be better all around, because even at a similar muzzle energy, they were hitting collared doves and starlings much harder than the .177 variety at 30+ yards. Past that, I've just had better groups with them, and found them to be more consistent when I measured their weight. But they are a couple dollars more per tin and come with only 175 versus 250. so I still buy the .177 more often for plinking.
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I shoot them in my 117 Cal Multi Pump 1377 pistol, 2100 rifle, Umarex NXG APX and my Stoeger X-3 Break Barrel. They shoot real well in those lower power guns. I have 2 milk carton boxes of 1250 117 Cal. 7.4 Gr pointed pellets plus one tin of 250 and one tin of 500(Canada Pellets)
Best Wishes - Tom
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For general shooting, whether short or long range, a domed head pellet works just fine.Couple that with the fact that pointed pellets generally don't offer much more penetration if any than a dome would, & are no more accurate than domes at any given distance, as a norm accuracy worsens with distance when shooting pointed pellets. & the Destroyers fall into the same category that the pointed pellets do.
I apply the K.I.S.S. methodology to my shooting practices. Basically if dome pellets work better than ponted pellets in most of my guns, I got no use for pointed pellets.
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For general shooting, whether short or long range, a domed head pellet works just fine.Couple that with the fact that pointed pellets generally don't offer much more penetration if any than a dome would, & are no more accurate than domes at any given distance, as a norm accuracy worsens with distance when shooting pointed pellets. & the Destroyers fall into the same category that the pointed pellets do.
I apply the K.I.S.S. methodology to my shooting practices. Basically if dome pellets work better than ponted pellets in most of my guns, I got no use for pointed pellets.
Yeah I basically use these despite them being pointed. I wish that Crosman would make their domed pellets available in the same pricing/packaging as these. Their wadcutters are the only ones I've seen available at these price point, and then there's the CPHP which is basically like their domes with a little divot in them. I don't think I've ever actually seen their domes on the shelves, so then that throws shipping into the mix.
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For general shooting, whether short or long range, a domed head pellet works just fine.Couple that with the fact that pointed pellets generally don't offer much more penetration if any than a dome would, & are no more accurate than domes at any given distance, as a norm accuracy worsens with distance when shooting pointed pellets. & the Destroyers fall into the same category that the pointed pellets do.
I apply the K.I.S.S. methodology to my shooting practices. Basically if dome pellets work better than ponted pellets in most of my guns, I got no use for pointed pellets.
Yeah I basically use these despite them being pointed. I wish that Crosman would make their domed pellets available in the same pricing/packaging as these. Their wadcutters are the only ones I've seen available at these price point, and then there's the CPHP which is basically like their domes with a little divot in them. I don't think I've ever actually seen their domes on the shelves, so then that throws shipping into the mix.
I consider CPHP a dome, for all intents and purposes.
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The Love left with the accuracy in my guns. I don't even get decent 25 Yd groups in any of my guns.
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in .177 I do not think they like going much more than about 750 fps maybe 800... in my last 2100 I choked the barrel a touch and wow they start doing consistent .5 or less groups at 30 yards... they had been .5 to .75 before..
. the .22 pointed are neck and neck with the domes out of my 1322 carbines out to 30 yards and handle 800 fps very well... at 40 yards the domed are the choice... these are disco barrels with leade work and porting some shortened... they are serviceable and great for low velocity in the back yard... longer range not so good...
at 30 yards they are about 5th place out of my .22 Maximus...
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Consistency RULES the day ... if you have good ranging dope and the pellets simply don't fly to POA reliably ..... use a pellet that does.
In my many years with AGs, most points don't with the exception of the obsolete BEEMAN Silver Jets.
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I'd rather shoot pointed pellets then not soot at all. So if that's what they have at Meijer then i guess I'll shoot pointed pellets. Out of my Buckmark at 10 yards it doesn't matter any way.
Don't ask me to prove this mathematically but at the speed most of us shoot the point doesn't offer much of a ballistic advantage. However because with a domed pellet more of the mass is at the edge. When spinning the higher rotational mass of the doomed pellet offers more stability in flight. Additionally any defect in the cone will cause the pointed pellet to wabble in flight
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Anyone done a study on the Coal Fenix pellet.
I have a tin in both calibers but don't have a long enough range available to truly try them out.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176)
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Anyone done a study on the Coal Fenix pellet.
I have a tin in both calibers but don't have a long enough range available to truly try them out.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176)
Makes sense to me, I would like to see how they perform. But one thing that adds a wrinkle is the very unscientific fact that air guns " like" or "don't like" certain pellets
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Forgot My BSA Buc simply overpowers the .177 points...they shotgun to about 2.5" with them... they might work if I turned it down and used a low fill pressure... but I will not do that as it sends a lot of different pellets 15g down to tthe 7.9g very well as it is...just by varying fill pressure...
I have about 3000 of the .177 that I picked up on a flash 4 buck a tin(500) sale... and they are great for the back yard... but if not on sale would get the hollows which I also have a ton of... only have about 800 of the .22 points and a ton of domed....
I do wonder if at the lower speed of the .22 pumpers if the point might penetrate just a bit better... stock 1322(460-490 fps) stock 2200 (600-650 fps)..? stock 392 (about 630 fps)
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Crosman points used to be 7.9 grains and were pointed domes. They had rather small head diameter, and the best ballistic coefficient of any pellet in it's weigh range. Some guns are incredibly accurate with them and they are stable to long ranges and at high speeds.
The newer 7.4 grain pellet has a conical head. Their moderate BC limits their usefulness.
The .22 caliber points were a fine quality and popular pellet, but they mostly came in 175 count packs and cost more than other Crosman pellets. I don't know if the .22 pellets were redesigned....
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Anyone done a study on the Coal Fenix pellet.
I have a tin in both calibers but don't have a long enough range available to truly try them out.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176)
Oh just perfect Tom... another one to try Hehehe. Seriously though, kind of remind me of the pre-field target silhouette shooting days. you wanted a rim to catch the targets to knock em down on glancing shots. I will be checking reviews on those. Always looking for the next best thing.
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I read this thread yesterday and thought I had some of the older pointy pellets, bought them a couple of years ago so not sure when they changed to 7.4g. Anyway, I've taken the BNM breech off my .177 Maximus and filled the transfer port a bit to slow it down. I had forgotten how accurate the CPHP's are at long range (64 yards) so I gave these a try late yesterday afternoon as nothing I had shot them well. Don't have the pics with me, but really hope I can get more of them. I put 10 in about a 3 inch circle at 64 yards, but some of them were me pulling the shots. 4 out of the 10 could be covered by a quarter with 2 more just outside of it. Tried again, this time I had 4 touching then the traditional 2" crosman flier. Next time I'm at wally world I'll grab a tin of them and see if they still shoot that way or if I've got the older 7.9g. Needles to say I was blown away.
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Anyone done a study on the Coal Fenix pellet.
I have a tin in both calibers but don't have a long enough range available to truly try them out.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/coal-fenix-fx-450-pellets-177-cal-9-57-grains-domed-500ct?p=1176)
Oh just perfect Tom... another one to try Hehehe. Seriously though, kind of remind me of the pre-field target silhouette shooting days. you wanted a rim to catch the targets to knock em down on glancing shots. I will be checking reviews on those. Always looking for the next best thing.
That's interesting, the RWS Superdomes have a rim
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Sorry, but pointed pellets not so good. :(
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I have a 2400KT Custom Shop CO2 carbine that likes the Crosman Hunters in .177. My 1397 with steel breech, stock barrel, skeleton stock and an NCStar 4x Compact scope shot those quite well mostly. My 1322 set up the same except with a bettter 4x AO scope likes the .22 flavor very well.
However, I have recently noticed that Crosman seems to have dropped the "Hunter" pellets in favor of a Crosman Premier Pointed, I believe that is a 7.4 grain? Is the Hunter in .177 dropped? I bought two milk cartons of the Premier Pointed and have just started working with them in the above mentioned 1397. Too early to tell for sure yet. Are the .177 Hunters still available? I hope they are still making the .22 Hunters, as they are markedly best in my 1322.