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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: skorec on April 19, 2018, 04:07:15 AM
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This Gunpower clone with 12 shoot magazine at 500 USD seams fine
https://kralarms.com/en/urun/puncher-one-t/ (https://kralarms.com/en/urun/puncher-one-t/)
https://www.rojal.si/en/shop/airguns/air-rifles/kral-arms-puncher-one-t.html (https://www.rojal.si/en/shop/airguns/air-rifles/kral-arms-puncher-one-t.html)
Advantages are:
1. Hammer strike items are in line of barrel bore which is more accurate especially for high power hammer strike PCPs
2. Barrel is free floating together with rifle scope
3. Bigger transfer port produce more power
4. 250 bar reservoir able to use higher shooting air pressure
I hope that it is possible to remove air tank easy and fully loaded to reach little transfer baggage.
I also sea a big tuning potential via using two additional air tanks equipped with different air pressure regulator. One for FAC adjusted to 200 bar and next for 16J adjusted to 80 bar.
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I so wanted to get my hands on one of these rifles, but all were recalled in South Africa, reason unknown....
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I so wanted to get my hands on one of these rifles, but all were recalled in South Africa, reason unknown....
We need to know why. May be somewhere will tell us.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJOX-2kEeM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJOX-2kEeM)
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I see that the cocking lever has been moved to the side, and additional bracing of the rail is further back, nearer the breach.
Something we ask Air Force to do years ago.
If there is one thing AirForce is consistent in, it is Never-Ever listening to their customers. Although I have a .257 Dyotat100 that puts out 200 fpe, I have completely written off AF. GRRRRR!!!
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I have already ordered ONE T for 500 .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5304uDymI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5304uDymI)
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If there is one thing AirForce is consistent in, it is Never-Ever listening to their customers. Although I have a .257 Dyotat100 that puts out 200 fpe, I have completely written off AF. GRRRRR!!!
You sure got that right! I gave them information and pointed them to multiple threads on this forum and others on how to fix the non-functional power wheel in their guns, and they never utilized it - or even seemed to care! Basically, they are advertising a feature that they KNOW doesn't function. I'm surprised they haven't had a lawsuit filed against them. I sold my Talon SS and wiped my hands clean of Airforce.
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Unfortunately I never saw any video or description about non-functional power wheel at Airforce PCP guns. I hope that Kral fixed the problem but if no I will need you fixing video/description fore sure.
Also some info about additional/swappable CF bottles and some air pressure regulator ability will be usable for me. I am planning to run at 250bar filling pressure and 200bar output pressure.
Thanks before for advices
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I hope next fitting will fit in Puncher ONE T . It will arive in 3-4 weeaks I hope.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-CO2-Air-Valve-for-Condor-SS-PCP-Gunpower/253085291773?hash=item3aed0f14fd%3Ag%3A33kAAOSwOwZZigCJ&var=552162355275&_sacat=0&_nkw=Airforce+Airgun+Constant+Pressure+CO2+%2FAir+Valve+for+Condor+%2FSS+PCP+Gunpower&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-CO2-Air-Valve-for-Condor-SS-PCP-Gunpower/253085291773?hash=item3aed0f14fd%3Ag%3A33kAAOSwOwZZigCJ&var=552162355275&_sacat=0&_nkw=Airforce+Airgun+Constant+Pressure+CO2+%2FAir+Valve+for+Condor+%2FSS+PCP+Gunpower&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313)
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They mean closing spring valve ?
"The .177-caliber Condor has a special tank valve spring. If you plan to attach other caliber barrels to your gun, you may want to buy a tank made for the other calibers (.20, ,22 & .25 calibers use the same tank). If you use the .177-calIber tank with the other smallbore calibers, you'll experience a drop of 50-100 fps in those calibers. However, if you buy the .20, .22 or .25 caliber but plan to also attach a .177-caliber barrel, you must buy a .177-caliber air tank. If you don't, the tank valve spring will not close fast enough, and all your air will be dumped."
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Good massage is that Puncher ONE at caliber .25 is at home .
Unfortunately they are some issue with it.
1. Added/packing paper manual is for another Punchers - not for Puncher ONE.
I am locking for correct Mechanism parts diagram for Puncher ONE
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2. The power is very low (max 13 FPE ) probably because air transfer port hole is too small 4mm ore probably another smaller one inside the valve. I have not disassembled it yet.
3. After I have filled it up to 250bar/3500PSI some o-ring has gone out see the pictures.
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I am just locking for Condor parts for iimprove and repair/fix problems .
I want to use next valve and air pressure regulator
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-Air-Valve-for-Condor-CO2-PCP-5-5-8mm-Top-Hat/263862453984 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-Air-Valve-for-Condor-CO2-PCP-5-5-8mm-Top-Hat/263862453984)
and next tank
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Paintball-PCP-Air-Tank-Cyclinder-4500PSI-300BAR-30Mpa-0-22L-0-3L-0-35L-0/32898484970.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.34.45cb5d67JVple2&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10696_10084_5011611_10083_10618_10307_10820_5011511_10821_10303_5723611_10059_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=5081410d-ca14-43ec-8e54-8a1e04b7e2d3-4&algo_pvid=5081410d-ca14-43ec-8e54-8a1e04b7e2d3&transAbTest=ae803_2&priceBeautifyAB=0 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Paintball-PCP-Air-Tank-Cyclinder-4500PSI-300BAR-30Mpa-0-22L-0-3L-0-35L-0/32898484970.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.34.45cb5d67JVple2&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10696_10084_5011611_10083_10618_10307_10820_5011511_10821_10303_5723611_10059_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=5081410d-ca14-43ec-8e54-8a1e04b7e2d3-4&algo_pvid=5081410d-ca14-43ec-8e54-8a1e04b7e2d3&transAbTest=ae803_2&priceBeautifyAB=0)
Do you have any another recommendations for me ?
Thanks before.
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O-Ring between valve nut and valve popped has gone out because the ID of hole in the valve nut is 6,4mm but valve poppet OD is only 6mm. Se the pictures . I need ask Kral Arms for right valve parts for caliber 6,35mm.
Also ID of inside hole at valve popped has to be 5 mm for caliber 6,35. My ID of inside hole at valve popped is only 4mm. I am expecting that Kral arms will REDESIGNE valve parts completely because the valve popped is also absurdly made from two parts and the air is leaking between them at shoot.
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If tuning of PCPs is your hobby Puncher ONE is excellent candidate:
1. I have machined new valve assembly and ordered also regulating valve assembly
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-Air-Valve-for-Condor-Tank-CO2-PCP-4-5-8mm/263556496326?hash=item3d5d30fbc6:g:0dwAAOSw32lYwYVf (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-Air-Valve-for-Condor-Tank-CO2-PCP-4-5-8mm/263556496326?hash=item3d5d30fbc6:g:0dwAAOSw32lYwYVf) also with next 0,45l tank - 90 USD
2. New LW .177 polygonal barrel – 130 USD and better also free floating fixing it into the gun body.
3. Delete of arming pin by adding 2mm screw
Trigger is too hard but I am not sure if am able to improve it . See the pictures.
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Good message is that after swapping to caliber .177 and installing new valve popped the power with 21gr Piledrivers is 50 + FPE .
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Can something advice me how can I adjust/set output air pressure to 2800 PSI on next regulator ?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-Air-Valve-for-Condor-CO2-PCP-5-5-8mm-Top-Hat/263862453984 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airforce-Airgun-Constant-Pressure-Air-Valve-for-Condor-CO2-PCP-5-5-8mm-Top-Hat/263862453984)
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Nothing was good at stock version but ONE-T is staring to work at last.
25 shots at 35 yd from ( 250bar-288m/s) to (195bar – 280m/s) . Max velocity 303m/s was at 210m/s.
I am just now thinking haw to create/do some pellet feeder from next magazine part .
https://www.balistas.sk/vzduchove-pusky/vzduchove-pusky-zasobniky/zasobnik-hatsan-at44-45mm-1ks/ (https://www.balistas.sk/vzduchove-pusky/vzduchove-pusky-zasobniky/zasobnik-hatsan-at44-45mm-1ks/)
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With new .25cal/5,5mm regulated condor vale ONE-T shot the .177 Piledrivers at:
120bar ( 1740PSI ) 250m/s ( 820FPS ) 42Joule ( 31FPE )
150bar ( 2176PSI ) 270m/s ( 886FPS ) 50Joule ( 37FPE )
200bar ( 2900PSI ) 290m/s ( 950FPS ) 57Joule ( 42FPE )
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It seams that not choked polygonal LW barrel shots a little bit more accurate however they are still 20% of flyers.