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Title: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: Kallysan on March 24, 2018, 08:17:22 PM
Looking for suggestions for which pellets to try in my Challenger.  Anyone shooting a Challenger?  I would love to hear your pellet choice.
Title: Re: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: rualert on March 25, 2018, 06:32:17 PM
     We have four of these rifles in use at the 4-H club I coach for. We have had very ood luck with H&N's everything from Sports through Match, and R10 Match have also given stellar results. I would get some H&N Sports first, sort a few dozen by head size, then see which head size your rifle likes the best. Then when shooting a comp, or just serious practice especially standing use the match variety in the head size your guns performs best with. Just my 2 cents, but this has worked out well for our shooting team's competitors.

Casey
Title: Re: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: Kallysan on March 25, 2018, 09:43:36 PM
     We have four of these rifles in use at the 4-H club I coach for. We have had very ood luck with H&N's everything from Sports through Match, and R10 Match have also given stellar results. I would get some H&N Sports first, sort a few dozen by head size, then see which head size your rifle likes the best. Then when shooting a comp, or just serious practice especially standing use the match variety in the head size your guns performs best with. Just my 2 cents, but this has worked out well for our shooting team's competitors.

Casey

Thanks I'll give them a try.  Do you find much variance between your Challengers as to which head size they like?
Title: Re: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: rualert on March 28, 2018, 09:00:09 PM
    So far not a ton, which I at first thought was strange, then I haven't really had enough time to sit down and do complete proper testing on them yet. I know that it needs to get done so I can really give the kids every advantage. If I'm not mistaken the barrels are choked too so that helps with these soft target pellets.

Casey
Title: Re: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: ac12 on March 28, 2018, 11:56:39 PM
If you are really going to do accuracy testing, you need to do a few things
- If you use a scope, eliminate parallax error with the scope.  Or you won't know if it was the parallax error or the pellet that caused the lower score.
- ONE shot per target, so that you can positively identify the hit, and score it.
- - If you shoot a cloverleaf, where did the other 2 pellets hit; in the center or in one of the leafs?
- Don't sort the tin, shoot it as it comes from the factory.  Just reject the damaged pellets. 
- - The kids are not going to sort the tins when they shoot in competition.
- - Any special prep work that you do for testing, HAS TO BE DUPLICATED for competition and practice, or your testing will not be valid, as they will be effectively shooting with different pellets.  Consistency is the rule.

The other option is to vice mount the rifle, so it WILL NOT MOVE.
Then shoot a 5 or 10 shot group, and simply go for the tightest group.
The problem here is you won't know EXACTLY where each shot hit.  All you know is the size of the final group.  This is fine if you "one hole it."  But otherwise you won't know what the score was.  How many of the 10 shots were on the 10 ring, and how many on the 9 and 8 rings?
Title: Re: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: Kallysan on March 30, 2018, 05:39:38 PM
If you are really going to do accuracy testing, you need to do a few things
- If you use a scope, eliminate parallax error with the scope.  Or you won't know if it was the parallax error or the pellet that caused the lower score.
- ONE shot per target, so that you can positively identify the hit, and score it.
- - If you shoot a cloverleaf, where did the other 2 pellets hit; in the center or in one of the leafs?
- Don't sort the tin, shoot it as it comes from the factory.  Just reject the damaged pellets. 
- - The kids are not going to sort the tins when they shoot in competition.
- - Any special prep work that you do for testing, HAS TO BE DUPLICATED for competition and practice, or your testing will not be valid, as they will be effectively shooting with different pellets.  Consistency is the rule.

The other option is to vice mount the rifle, so it WILL NOT MOVE.
Then shoot a 5 or 10 shot group, and simply go for the tightest group.
The problem here is you won't know EXACTLY where each shot hit.  All you know is the size of the final group.  This is fine if you "one hole it."  But otherwise you won't know what the score was.  How many of the 10 shots were on the 10 ring, and how many on the 9 and 8 rings?

My normal procedure is to shoot 5 shot groups off a bench at 25yds with a 36x scope.  I like 36x because it allows me to see the bullseye cross hair alignment at the moment the trigger breaks.  I shoot 10 different groups with each pellet, measure each groups maximum diameter, and average the 5 measurements.  I think this works pretty good at giving me the intrinsic accuracy of the pellet out of my rifle.
Title: Re: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: ac12 on March 30, 2018, 11:00:35 PM
You NEED to look at the shot pattern, not just the group size.
A 1" group with 10 shots evenly disbursed over the 1" is different than a 1" group with a tight cluster of 8 shots, and 1 or 2 flyers that pushed the group size out to 1".
I would choose the 2nd over the 1st, then try to figure out the flyers.

How do you compensate for wind?
It would be nice if you can shoot the 25 yards in a warehouse, with no wind to deal with.
Title: Re: Best pellet in your Challenger
Post by: Kallysan on April 01, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
You NEED to look at the shot pattern, not just the group size.
A 1" group with 10 shots evenly disbursed over the 1" is different than a 1" group with a tight cluster of 8 shots, and 1 or 2 flyers that pushed the group size out to 1".
I would choose the 2nd over the 1st, then try to figure out the flyers.

How do you compensate for wind?
It would be nice if you can shoot the 25 yards in a warehouse, with no wind to deal with.

With 36x scope you can see the flyers.  As to the wind the burms at my club pretty much make it a non issue, I also pick a day with minimal wind to begin with.