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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: FamilyMan811 on March 22, 2018, 04:03:10 PM
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1. Drilling and Tapping the Williams Peep... links for video? Perhaps somebody knows the thread size need to tap?
2. The wedged rear sight... I saw a video showing a method to lessen the stress by spreading the sight a bit.. thoughts?
3. What is the best scope mounting method? I have a Baker Airguns mount .. bad experience so far (long story) mostly my fault but unable to find a ring that will allow enough adjustment.. maybe out of alignment..
I have heard of separation issues from the intermounts over time too..?
4. Tools.. any links on tools would be awesome ..the valve tool.. The bolt nut.. etc..
I'd like to be able to service them myself need be.
I know I can dig through the posts and likely find most this but I have beek putting a lot of OT in cutting my free time down significantly..guess I was hoping for an assist ::)
Any other pointers on care etc what too/not to use..
Thanks in advance all
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I've done it to my Sheridan and 392pa. It's not hard to do at all and it might keep your barrel from separating. Supposedly if it gets bad enough it effects accuracy.
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If you haven't already done it, get some Secret Sauce. Use it to keep your vintage pumper working/shooting for many years to come. A little goes a very long way.
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-10-oz-refill-size-p/m1ss6oz.htm (http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-10-oz-refill-size-p/m1ss6oz.htm)
From Mac-1's own site:
Lubrication:
EVERY TIME YOU TAKE IT OUT TO USE IT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEVER PIVOTS ARE MOIST WITH SECRET SAUCE. You'll get a 1.75oz bottle of Secret Sauce with every Steroid purchased or upgraded.
Don't overdo it, a few drops at the front pivot & rivet is all you need on those two. The pivot that connects the lever link to the piston end that guides it is a porous piece of steel. Put 6-8 drops of Secret Sauce on that pivot as the guide end of the piston acts as a storage of oil so a film is laid down on the tube each pump stroke. All else will get taken care of by blow through.
Never put lubricant in the air hole. Do NOT use firearm cleaning solvents or lubricants anywhere on the gun. Rem Oil & Barricade provide a good external wipe down oil. I use Rem Oil as it has proven to be one of the best rust inhibitors. Don't put your guns away with salty paw prints all over it. When you take it back out the steel parts will be all rusty.
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I've done it to my Sheridan and 392pa. It's not hard to do at all and it might keep your barrel from separating. Supposedly if it gets bad enough it effects accuracy.
Nice! I hear many have done it..I figure it's simple enough but wondering the thread size too.
If you haven't already done it, get some Secret Sauce. Use it to keep your vintage pumper working/shooting for many years to come. A little goes a very long way.
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-10-oz-refill-size-p/m1ss6oz.htm (http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-10-oz-refill-size-p/m1ss6oz.htm)
From Mac-1's own site:
Lubrication:
EVERY TIME YOU TAKE IT OUT TO USE IT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEVER PIVOTS ARE MOIST WITH SECRET SAUCE. You'll get a 1.75oz bottle of Secret Sauce with every Steroid purchased or upgraded.
Don't overdo it, a few drops at the front pivot & rivet is all you need on those two. The pivot that connects the lever link to the piston end that guides it is a porous piece of steel. Put 6-8 drops of Secret Sauce on that pivot as the guide end of the piston acts as a storage of oil so a film is laid down on the tube each pump stroke. All else will get taken care of by blow through.
Never put lubricant in the air hole. Do NOT use firearm cleaning solvents or lubricants anywhere on the gun. Rem Oil & Barricade provide a good external wipe down oil. I use Rem Oil as it has proven to be one of the best rust inhibitors. Don't put your guns away with salty paw prints all over it. When you take it back out the steel parts will be all rusty.
Good stuff! I'll be sure to snag a bottle soon!! All I have now is pellgun oil from corpsman.
Thanks for the pointers guys!!
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Trash that Pellgun oil. Over a period of time it crusts up inside the internals.
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Trash that Pellgun oil. Over a period of time it crusts up inside the internals.
Wow! Okay...well I've used it a time or two.. I hope the sauce will cancel it out.. do I need go clean it out?
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Too late for me to go into detail but I want to chime in so it pops up later.
Nite-nite.
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Don’t panic. To be more clear, it gets crusty over a prolonged period of use &/or after sitting for a while. If you use the Secret Sauce as directed, it will flush out the Pellgun oil and any other dirt/trash out of the internals. Also, don’t forget to leave 2-3 pumps in the rifle while not in use. 😎
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Secret sauce is hydraulic oil.
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Valve tool is available on ebay.
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Here are instructions for adding a peep sight.
http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/mounting-williams-peep-sight-on-sheridan.html (http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/mounting-williams-peep-sight-on-sheridan.html)
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Secret sauce is hydraulic oil.
Actually, 30 weight Hydraulic oil. With a couple other things mixed in. That's what makes it secret. ;)
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Here are instructions for adding a peep sight.
http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/mounting-williams-peep-sight-on-sheridan.html (http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/mounting-williams-peep-sight-on-sheridan.html)
Excellent Steve...this one gets filed.
Is he a member here?
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I am not sure, Marty. I have had that link for years.
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To reduce some of the stress on the rear sight;
Take a small block of wood, place it against the rear of the sight, & tap the block lightly with a hammer til the sight slides off. WATCH for the 2 plastic wedges when they come out. I do this with the muzzle on a white towel & it is easy to find the wedges, then. Measure the width in mm. inside the sight with a digital caliper. Lay a file on the edge of a table/workbench & start filing the inside edges of the sight. A little on both sides til you have about 1 mm removed. [ some people take off 2-3mm, but that may be too much]
Place wedges back on rifle, & reinstall sight from the front of the rifle by lightly tapping it rearward.
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If you remove too much your sight will move backward or forward on it's wedges.
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Yep, but it takes quite a bit , to do that. You can swell the strips, , or a couple of drops of glue inside the sight, will hold it in place. No problem.
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I did not see where anyone has addressed your scope mounting question.
Scopes on pumpers are a struggle as the normal scope location is right where you need to hold the gun while pumping and is in the way of loading the pellet.
Some will lay the rifle upside down across their lap and pump that way, but that is only good if you are seated.
A non-typical "Scout" mounting position uses a long eye relief pistol scope out further on the barrel and some seem to be happy with that.
(http://198.154.244.69/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/benjamin-scout-rifle.jpg)
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Here are instructions for adding a peep sight.
http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/mounting-williams-peep-sight-on-sheridan.html (http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/mounting-williams-peep-sight-on-sheridan.html)
This is how I did mine. It's best to have a vertical mill, or an x-y table with a vise on a drill press, or at the very least drill the first hole then loosen the vise slightly and slide he gun over until lined up on the second hole location. DO NOT DO THIS WITHOUT A DRILL PRESS OR MILL, OR YOU WILL BE SORRY AND HAVE A MANGLED SHERIDAN ON YOUR HANDS.
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I think the "Scout Scope" is the best solution for my old eyes.
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I think the "Scout Scope" is the best solution for my old eyes.
I can relate to that
;)
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on the lube issue, depending on your lubricant, evaporation or dissipation of some components may leave a residue. Petroleum distillates are mostly like that. Over time it builds up and becomes ‘gunk’. other lubes, like the ‘secret sauce’, don’t do that.
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I think the "Scout Scope" is the best solution for my old eyes.
I can relate to that
;)
So no concerns with those intermount s and the barrel stress? Separation due the mounts anchoring?
I have my eye on a couple scout scopes. As I had said my mount from Baker Airguns is seemingly junk.
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on the lube issue, depending on your lubricant, evaporation or dissipation of some components may leave a residue. Petroleum distillates are mostly like that. Over time it builds up and becomes ‘gunk’. other lubes, like the ‘secret sauce’, don’t do that.
Makes sense to me more now. I will definitely be looking to grab some. I'd love to rebuild with those mil-spec orings too in fact the steroid looks interesting to me not for power purposes but efficiency in that 3-4 pumps = 6-8 pumps...then the added strength of components..
Just don't know if it's with it since these guns are made so darn well to begin with.
Id consider it on a 80s blue or something but when I get my paws on a nice Silver it'll stay that way.
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Another vote for the scout mount.
I do ok with open sights or a peep, but I do better with a scope (aging eyes) for distances greater than 10M. I use the hand guard to position my mount & then move the scope towards my eye until it is set at the correct distance. Even though the scope overlaps the guard it still isn't bad with part of the hand over the receiver.
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↑↑↑ +1
(http://i68.tinypic.com/wj7tax.jpg)
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Love your Blue Streak set up Dave!
Sure hope these mounts come back soon. :(
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If you're referring to pellet holder on the Blue, they're junk. It might work on another rifle, but I didn't have any luck keeping it in place. I did finally change out the scope rings to low rise Hawke rings. Much better now.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2rpe5g7.jpg)
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Well...there goes that idea. ;)
IMHO...these rings are hard to beat. Old school look & top notch quality!
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I think the "Scout Scope" is the best solution for my old eyes.
I can relate to that
;)
So no concerns with those intermount s and the barrel stress? Separation due the mounts anchoring?
I have my eye on a couple scout scopes. As I had said my mount from Baker Airguns is seemingly junk.
I believe the intermounts are safe to use as long as you don't try to tighten them to much. Scopes don't have to be as tightly mounted on a pneumatic gun as they do on a firearm since we are dealing with practically no recoil.
The solder joints on Sheridans are not as fragile as some seem to think. I suspect a lot of barrel separation is caused by over-pumping and from a scope taking a hard whack. A known authority on old Sheridans once said that every clip-on rear sight will eventually cause barrel separation. I don't buy it.
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"" I believe the intermounts are safe to use as long as you don't try to tighten them to much. Scopes don't have to be as tightly mounted on a pneumatic gun as they do on a firearm since we are dealing with practically no recoil.
The solder joints on Sheridans are not as fragile as some seem to think. I suspect a lot of barrel separation is caused by over-pumping and from a scope taking a hard whack. A known authority on old Sheridans once said that every clip-on rear sight will eventually cause barrel separation. I don't buy it.""
I agree . I have several with intermounts that have done just fine. I do like the longer intermounts better , like the bottom one in Habanero's pix !
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I know Sheridan’s are so well thought of but their use of a soldered barrel on the tube just seems problematic long term. Crosmans barrel above the tube just seems more logical? Maybe this makes the barrel less stable? It’s certainly a reason I like the old 101s and 102s.
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I love my old Crosmans and Benjamins, I shoot them all the time. Quality, old-school construction. But, an original Racine Sheridan, while not perfect, is the best multi-pump rifle you can get.
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I have owned 100's of Sheridans ! I don't even know how many I have now. I have had TWO , with loose joints.
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"" I believe the intermounts are safe to use as long as you don't try to tighten them to much. Scopes don't have to be as tightly mounted on a pneumatic gun as they do on a firearm since we are dealing with practically no recoil.
The solder joints on Sheridans are not as fragile as some seem to think. I suspect a lot of barrel separation is caused by over-pumping and from a scope taking a hard whack. A known authority on old Sheridans once said that every clip-on rear sight will eventually cause barrel separation. I don't buy it.""
I agree . I have several with intermounts that have done just fine. I do like the longer intermounts better , like the bottom one in Habanero's pix !
So which mount is that exactly? And again gentleman thank you for all the info on this thread I am honestly thrilled each time a new comment pops up!!
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I love my old Crosmans and Benjamins, I shoot them all the time. Quality, old-school construction. But, an original Racine Sheridan, while not perfect, is the best multi-pump rifle you can get.
You would know. I just need to get one and end my speculation, always over think thing!
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"" I believe the intermounts are safe to use as long as you don't try to tighten them to much. Scopes don't have to be as tightly mounted on a pneumatic gun as they do on a firearm since we are dealing with practically no recoil.
The solder joints on Sheridans are not as fragile as some seem to think. I suspect a lot of barrel separation is caused by over-pumping and from a scope taking a hard whack. A known authority on old Sheridans once said that every clip-on rear sight will eventually cause barrel separation. I don't buy it.""
I agree . I have several with intermounts that have done just fine. I do like the longer intermounts better , like the bottom one in Habanero's pix !
So which mount is that exactly? And again gentleman thank you for all the info on this thread I am honestly thrilled each time a new comment pops up!!
I was referring to the old Sheridan mounts and the currently available Benjamin B272 mounts. The old ones may be pricey when you can find them, the new ones are inexpensive.
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But, an original Racine Sheridan, while not perfect, is the best multi-pump rifle you can get.
Come on Steve... you let these guys get away with that? :o
The "C" series Dan is as perfect as they come & one of the most, if not the most accurate pumpers ever built. Perhaps it has something to do with the barrel being soldered to the tube. This & the sweetest off the rack trigger/pull, & its sexy lines. No sir, aren’t too many Crosmans or Benji’s that can hold a candle to this one. & the speculation on barrel separation is over rated in my opinion. I’ve purchase old Dan’s with the rear sight still attached & absolutely no indications of separation. It has more to do with abuse than a rear sight. In fact to this day I wonder why I even remove the rear sight, unless it’s to make room for a scope.
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I was referring to the old Sheridan mounts and the currently available Benjamin B272 mounts. The old ones may be pricey when you can find them, the new ones are inexpensive.
Any advantage to the original vintage b272 mounts over the current available ones? other than made out of steel?, are these heavier than the current ones?
So which mount is that exactly? And again gentleman thank you for all the info on this thread I am honestly thrilled each time a new comment pops up!!
I believe you are asking about the Mac1 mounts? apparently they were available in different lengths, they are now out of stock.
AFAIK the other mounts available are the vintage two piece Sheridan intermounts and the Baker mounts mentioned above that wrap around the receiver instead of the barrel.
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"" I believe the intermounts are safe to use as long as you don't try to tighten them to much. Scopes don't have to be as tightly mounted on a pneumatic gun as they do on a firearm since we are dealing with practically no recoil.
The solder joints on Sheridans are not as fragile as some seem to think. I suspect a lot of barrel separation is caused by over-pumping and from a scope taking a hard whack. A known authority on old Sheridans once said that every clip-on rear sight will eventually cause barrel separation. I don't buy it.""
I agree . I have several with intermounts that have done just fine. I do like the longer intermounts better , like the bottom one in Habanero's pix !
So which mount is that exactly? And again gentleman thank you for all the info on this thread I am honestly thrilled each time a new comment pops up!!
I am rarely online during the day.
I like this mount, turned backwards from the way Habanero has, so I get correct eye relief using a regular scope. May need taller rings, but it is easy to get used to.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHERIDAN-INTERMOUNT-Sheridan-Products-Inc-Racine-Wis-Rifle-Scope-Mount/263522136069?hash=item3d5b24b005:g:dQwAAOSwgWBalcZu (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHERIDAN-INTERMOUNT-Sheridan-Products-Inc-Racine-Wis-Rifle-Scope-Mount/263522136069?hash=item3d5b24b005:g:dQwAAOSwgWBalcZu)
This is the other Intermount;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/61-Benjamin-Sheri (https://www.ebay.com/itm/61-Benjamin-Sheri)
dan-Intermount-Air-Rifle-Scope-Mount-3-8-Dovetail-BB-Gun/352294503555?hash=item5206638483:g:iLkAAOSwIhtamKA
I mount it like this with muzzle on the left.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sheridan-blue-silver-streak-intermount-and-Weaver-scope-1968-/263402026543?hash=item3d53fbf62f%3Ag%3AGPcAAOSwiHpaMYFu&nma=true&si=r5J4I9zTWQMZ%252F%252FAlkMOl35POmVs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sheridan-blue-silver-streak-intermount-and-Weaver-scope-1968-/263402026543?hash=item3d53fbf62f%3Ag%3AGPcAAOSwiHpaMYFu&nma=true&si=r5J4I9zTWQMZ%252F%252FAlkMOl35POmVs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
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The original Benjamin scope mounts were heavily constructed of brass. There were two models, one for .22, the other for .177 guns. There is a set for sale on ebay right now mistakenly described as "blued steel". The new B272 mounts are aluminum and modeled after the old Sheridan mounts. Same profile in cross section, two short mounts instead of one long one.
(https://i.imgur.com/4AU6UHB.jpg)
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Terry, That photo took me back in time about 45 years from when I bought my first 342 new.
The critters and targets along the border are what jarred the old memory.
Thanks for that.
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The original Benjamin scope mounts were heavily constructed of brass. There were two models, one for .22, the other for .177 guns. There is a set for sale on ebay right now mistakenly described as "blued steel". The new B272 mounts are aluminum and modeled after the old Sheridan mounts. Same profile in cross section, two short mounts instead of one long one.
Yes thanks Terry, you're a wealth of information :D, yes I've been fishing for a set of the vintage two piece intermounts and came across that vintage b272 set at Ebay, I thought this design was a recent Crosman addition, never knew Sheridan/Racine produced this model back in the day, and was wondering if they were any better. looks like I'll pick a set of the lighter cheaper aluminum ones instead.
I like this mount, turned backwards from the way Habanero has, so I get correct eye relief using a regular scope. May need taller rings, but it is easy to get used to.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHERIDAN-INTERMOUNT-Sheridan-Products-Inc-Racine-Wis-Rifle-Scope-Mount/263522136069?hash=item3d5b24b005:g:dQwAAOSwgWBalcZu (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHERIDAN-INTERMOUNT-Sheridan-Products-Inc-Racine-Wis-Rifle-Scope-Mount/263522136069?hash=item3d5b24b005:g:dQwAAOSwgWBalcZu)
Thanks for the info Steve, I thought this model was made by Mac1 :o, didn't know they were also produced by Sheridan first, there was a more recent sale of a set, but I missed the sale.
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This is the one I have had since it was new. The scope a version of the Sheridan Intermount , sits a little high due to the rifle having sthe straight bolt, but I am used to it. Sheridans with curved bolts will not need such tall mounts. It is easy to load , too.
Make no mistake about it, this rifle is deadly accurate !
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Yes the mount on my pumpers are the Mac-1, IA mount. Rock solid, versatile & doesn't promote barrel separation. It also has a relief cut into one side of the "spring board" part of the mount, making it easier to load pellets when used in the traditional style over the breech.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2vih311.jpg)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/20ixws5.jpg)
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The Sheridan Intermount comes up for sale all the time on eBay. I have been tempted to buy one just to use as a comp to the Mac1. If its originality you guys are after than absolutely the SI, but if its quality the Mac1 is hard to beat. I would much rather torque a mount with an allen wrench than a screw driver. I have them on all my scoped pumpers & plan to get a few more.
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The intermounts can bring a premium, too. I have seen those sell for up to $75, but about $40 is the average price,,, with a box = $50. You can replace the screws with allen head.
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Does the base of the Sheridan Intermount make contact with the tube? & do the screws make contact with the barrel?
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This was the mount I took off my Blue Streak. I changed out the slotted screws for Allen heads before I swapped it out for the IA mount. I'll not being putting it back on any of my rifles.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/1411ll2.jpg)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2wmf61w.jpg)
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It appears that one would definately apply some pressure to the tube. However, the fasteners go directly into the mount & not the barrel like the Mac1. I'm not so sure the same can be said about the SI.
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It appears that one would definately apply some pressure to the tube. However, the fasteners go directly into the mount & not the barrel like the Mac1. I'm not so sure the same can be said about the SI.
Marty,
In the bottom photo is says Sheridan Inc. right on it... if that is what you mean by "SI"
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The intermounts can bring a premium, too. I have seen those sell for up to $75, but about $40 is the average price,,, with a box = $50. You can replace the screws with allen head.
I bought three of them from an ebay seller a couple of years ago. All three with the original boxes for 100 bucks. Two were missing the screws but they were easy enough to replace. I thought I might use one and resell the other two but of course, I ended up using all three.
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It appears that one would definately apply some pressure to the tube. However, the fasteners go directly into the mount & not the barrel like the Mac1. I'm not so sure the same can be said about the SI.
Marty,
In the bottom photo is says Sheridan Inc. right on it... if that is what you mean by "SI"
I believe Steve’s is the Sheridan Intermount. If you look close it cantilevers much the same way the Mac1 does. In fact I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if this is what inspired the Mac1. The change is Timmy’s uses the fasteners to lock down on the clam shell mount itself not on the barrel.
Dave's is completely different.
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:o I had to read that last exchange several times, to finally nail down the differences between mounts.. ::)
so let me see if I get these mounts issues straight now... :o
The original Sheridan/Racine long 2 piece intermount clamps on the barrel and the fasteners to the body of the mount itself, not the air gun's barrel, as far as I can tell shouldn't be any danger of separation with this one since the bottom of the intermaount is not putting pressure against the airtube...
(http://i65.tinypic.com/1411ll2.jpg)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2wmf61w.jpg)
The original Sheridan/Racine [over the receiver type and later improved by MAC1] has three slotted screws that screw directly on the barrel/airtube.
then the Mac1 improved model has two allen fasteners [Instead of three slotted screws], that clamp-on the barrel and screws directly to the body of the mount itself without touching the air tube, this model also has a 'relief slot' on the side for easy pellet loading.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/20ixws5.jpg)
Then the original/vintage Sheridan/Racine 4 piece B272 mounts made of brass [Scarce & pricey] and the current available re-incarnation made of aluminum [Cheaper & Lighter], fastener on these attach directly into the body of the opposite mount-piece avoiding any separation issues.
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Wow Octavio now I'm confused. ;)
Maybe these 2 pix will explain it better...
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My pictures about show the one style of Sheridan intermount,[ we can call it " Longer version ] & it screws to the barrel. The other type [ we can it short version ] is like Habanero posted. Both were named Sheridan Intermounts. I cannot remember the dates of when each were sold.
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The whole idea of the IA mount is to have a mount that does not wedge itself between the barrel & the air tube, thus causing barrel/air tube separation. As one can see, the IA mount clamps only around the barrel. With no air tube contact.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/20ixws5.jpg)
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The whole idea of the IA mount is to have a mount that does not wedge itself between the barrel & the air tube, thus causing barrel/air tube separation. As one can see, the IA mount clamps only around the barrel. With no air tube contact.
Yes, I thought the long original Sheridan model didn't touch the airtube at all either, but apparently it does, as far as causing 'separation'?, I don't know.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/20ixws5.jpg)
Wow Octavio now I'm confused. ;)
Maybe these 2 pix will explain it better...
well you did a great job of consolidating the confusion with one picture, :D, and I have good news for you, the Mac1 IA Mounts are back in stock! 8)
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Glad to hear Tim got the IA mounts back on his site. They were off the site a while, but I called him to ask what was the situation. He told me about Ingvar's passing. But he sold me one out of his laid back stock. I love those IA mounts! 8)
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Anyone have the coupon code?
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What coupon?
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What coupon? Mac's for check out.
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Anyone have the coupon code?
Yes I'm all ears, last night after I found out ( 3AM) I was here searching for a Mac1 coupon, searched the net too and only get those questionable coupon sites, finally gave up and tried to order one mount anyways, but the Paypal option was not working. I'm going to try again.
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Yeah, that's a tough one. Inquiring minds want to know!
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Yes inquiring minds want to know & quite frankly I'm surprised he hasn't made this code available for members. Go figure. ???
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Honestly, in all the years I've personally dealt with Tim, I've never used or even noticed the coupon box at check out. :o
I wonder if a code even exists?
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Yes it does exist...at least in theory.
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Yes, I know the BOX exists. But does the code? I tried three different codes to no avail.
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Why toss a bone if there's no meat on it? If there's a box then their should be a code. Wouldn't you agree?
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Indeed Marty!
I just can't remember if there was a box in the past. ??? I tried a few the codes I found on Retail Me Not & other sites.
Maybe I'll call Tim & ask about the code. :-\
Did you notice the Crosman IA mount? Looks identical to the Benji/'Dan IA mount. I knew there was a Crosman mount, but never gave it much mind since I don't have a Crosman. I guess the barrel on the Crosmans are thicker than the older Sheridans & Benjamin? He shows only ten left in stock.
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I'll have to take a look at the Crosman IA Dave. Thanks for the tip.
Yes, he shows only 10 in stock but a couple of days ago he showed 60 in stock so who knows what's up with that. All I can say is I'm glad he has them. Either way I plan to pick up a couple from him. Tried my other source who was selling them to me for $10.00 less but came up empty.
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Still shows 60 in stock of the Benjamin/Sheridan IA mounts. Only 10 of the Crosman IA mounts
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Coupon?
For Mac1?
HAHAHAHA
That's funny stuff right there!
Tim's items demand a premium and his time is valuable... I am sure he has a waiting list a mile long... and you want a DISCOUNT?
Seriously... FOR WHAT?
Being a fellow 'Streak owner, Just like all his other clients?
He has celebrities taking their 'streaks to him, did you not see the Lou Ferrigno post?
Consider yourself lucky if he acknowledges you in a week.
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Indeed Marty!
I just can't remember if there was a box in the past. ??? I tried a few the codes I found on Retail Me Not & other sites.
Maybe I'll call Tim & ask about the code. :-\
Did you notice the Crosman IA mount? Looks identical to the Benji/'Dan IA mount. I knew there was a Crosman mount, but never gave it much mind since I don't have a Crosman. I guess the barrel on the Crosmans are thicker than the older Sheridans & Benjamin? He shows only ten left in stock.
I was on the site and noticed the Crosman scope mount, didn’t know he made them, just ordered one and some secret sause. Hated all my current Crosman cheap mounts, that looks top notch, but should be for the price. Lol
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Coupon?
For Mac1?
HAHAHAHA
That's funny stuff right there!
Tim's items demand a premium and his time is valuable... I am sure he has a waiting list a mile long... and you want a DISCOUNT?
Seriously... FOR WHAT?
Being a fellow 'Streak owner, Just like all his other clients?
He has celebrities taking their 'streaks to him, did you not see the Lou Ferrigno post?
Consider yourself lucky if he acknowledges you in a week.
Wow Scott what crawled up your shorts? I don't bow down to anyone! I don't care how popular anyone thinks they are! Last time I checked we are all are created equal. If you think he's too good for us pea-on's then so be-it! The mount isn't going to break my stride. Not in the least. If I decide to buy one fine. If not so what?
This discussion was about a so called coupon code...
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Scott, I agree Tim is a busy man because his work speaks for itself. I've always given him nothing but rave reviews. As I said before, I have never expected a discount, let alone realized there was a discount code box. And yeah, Tim may not get back to me on that one in a week, if ever, because he is so busy.
But the question was asked & a good point was made. Why even have a box for a discount code?
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Maybe I came across wrong,
I meant to have said "Tim does not need a Coupon to drum up business."
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Why toss a bone if there's no meat on it?
Wow, first "On the corner of whatumacallit & 5th street" and now this? Is there a "follow" button for Marty, 'cause he is a wealth of great sayings :D
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It’s apparent for some folks saving a dollar isn’t an issue. I don’t have money to burn & if I can save a buck I will. In this case, if there isn’t a coupon/ code & the seller doesn’t need them anyway to drum up business there is a simple solution; just remove the offer all together. Why have it there in the first place?
I think this discussion has gone too far & I accept full responsibility. Poor Timmy hasn’t even had a chance to comment on the issue & I’ve already strung him up to dry. My apologies.
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Well I finally had some luck with my Baker Airguns mount! I certainly like the Mac1 mount better... I will be grabbing one soon. Thank you guys for all the knowledge I truly appreciate it as I said. Simple miss understanding about the code thing as I see it. I know I had a lengthy conversation with Tim a couple weeks ago upon receiving my 1st Sheridan. I had been curious as to what goes into the steroid build and he was wildly fun to talk to. He said I was lucky to have caught him on a few minutes of down time and stressed that if I sent him a gun I would have two experiences first I would likely get very antsy as it would be at BEST 1 1/2 -2 months turn around during wich time he admitted he would probably be a bit Owly if I was the type to constantly call..
#2 and most importantly I would be extremely happy and my Streak would become much more pleasurable to shoot with the extreme efficiency of each stroke after. He also said he uses Orings etc that will likely out last my Son or I's abilty to pump lol.
I am considering sending him one just to have one. Also wondering if anyone knows if he'd tap a Williams peep on there?
As for scout scope looking at this...
https://shop.opticsplanet.com/leupold-vari-x-i-2-7x33mm-rifle-scope-with-matte-black-finish-and-duplex-reticle.html?_iv_code=LU-RS-VX1-2-7x33-113865&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy9LVBRDOARIsAGqoVnsk3QLWkLNyjtXucxMvc6Ry-5DPDmywcAnbdoWZjQKUU9aqRsRoLTkaAqaoEALw_wcB
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Tim is a hoot to chat with. I believe Tim will drill/tap for a Williams peep. If it needs to be done, Tim can do it.
If you send your 'Dan to Tim, you need to just forget about it. Before you know it, the 6-8 weeks will over & you'll have an even better shooter than before back in your hands.
As for the Leupold scope, the one you list only has a 3.7-4.2" eye relief. Won't work as scout mounted scope. You need to look for a pistol scope so that you get a somewhere between 12-20" eye relief.
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Oh and by the way tonight I took a fat grey squirrel from 36yd after zeroing the Hawk Vantage 2-7×32mm. This is the 82 Streak.. JSBs 13.73gr 8 pumps and slap! I was super impressed.. I knew it had the power but in my 37yrs had never done it or seen it done. Unfortunately he rolled down the icy cliff and onto the lake.. well out of my reach :/ no snacks for me this time. I really do not like the feeling that gives me inside tho in all seriousness but these jumpers are about perfect!!!
Here is the 82' sporting the Baker Airguns mount and my Hawke Vantage 2-7x32mm
(http://i68.tinypic.com/nxnq5l.jpg)
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Since your 'Dan is an '82, isn't it already set up for a Williams?
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Nice catch!! Coulda swore that was the long eye relief..
Spotted this Burris..
https://www.amazon.com/Burris-200261-Ballistic-Plex-2-7x32mm/dp/B00AU694YM (https://www.amazon.com/Burris-200261-Ballistic-Plex-2-7x32mm/dp/B00AU694YM)
And a more affordable 150 dollar Vortex Crossfire but don't like the parallax setting at 100 yd..
https://www.cabelas.com/product/VORTEX-CROSSFIRE-II-SCOUT/2317783.uts?productVariantId=4640732&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=04478177&rid=20&ds_rl=1252079&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtOLVBRCZARIsADPLtJ3xXLHbh4DJMa_7bpG2sK_4TXti8jiuZVfjEB9iQUAMimRyAEu5QtEaAof8EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds (https://www.cabelas.com/product/VORTEX-CROSSFIRE-II-SCOUT/2317783.uts?productVariantId=4640732&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=04478177&rid=20&ds_rl=1252079&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtOLVBRCZARIsADPLtJ3xXLHbh4DJMa_7bpG2sK_4TXti8jiuZVfjEB9iQUAMimRyAEu5QtEaAof8EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Any suggestions?
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Since your 'Dan is an '82, isn't it already set up for a Williams?
Talking my '80 (bottom)
The 82 has it..Also shoots 12fpe 640s with JSBs..
The 80 is about 9 FPE and un tapped so I'd send it..
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2jdotib.jpg)
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If you really want to drop $300 + on a scope, the Burris would be okay for eye relief (11-21"), the Vortex not so much at only 9.45".
If you're set on scout mounting a scope & you'd like to save a dollars, you may want to check out some pistol scopes by Swift, Simmons, Nikon...
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I may be mistaken, but I think it was 1984 when they started being drilled & tapped.
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I may be mistaken, but I think it was 1984 when they started being drilled & tapped.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/25661vk.jpg)
According to this you are correct. The gentleman I purchased it from had said 82' .. I have yet to really trace the serial number. Question in my mind is how likely is it that someone would have had it drilled in tapped.. or is it factory and an 84 lol? I'll have to dig deeper.
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If you really want to drop $300 + on a scope, the Burris would be okay for eye relief (11-21"), the Vortex not so much at only 9.45".
If you're set on scout mounting a scope & you'd like to save a dollars, you may want to check out some pistol scopes by Swift, Simmons, Nikon...
Certainly don't want to was hoping for $150-200 .. im still disappointed that Leopold wasn't a scout or pistol... could have sworn...oh well. I'll continue the search. I seen a few by the off brands like NC Star... Hammers, and Tac Vector... didn't really want to go that route either.
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They could have gotten it from the factory with the Williams as an option, or had it done after they received it. I have never drilled & tapped one . I don't have a drill press & would not try it without one.
This 1980 ad shows it as an option;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHERIDAN-AIR-GUNS-EB-CO2-Pistol-Blue-Streak-CB-FB-F-Rifles-Specif-AD-1980/222474074498?hash=item33cc7cf982:g:rc8AAOSw4CFY8BTu (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHERIDAN-AIR-GUNS-EB-CO2-Pistol-Blue-Streak-CB-FB-F-Rifles-Specif-AD-1980/222474074498?hash=item33cc7cf982:g:rc8AAOSw4CFY8BTu)
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My ‘79 Silver Streak is drilled/tapped. I don’t know how or when it was done. I also didn’t know you could order them already set up for a William’s sight. Seems there are a lot of variables possible with these rifles.
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Yes . If you are VERY lucky & but an old one in the original box, it may be stamped something like , " C9W ," with Weaver Scope , or " C9SH " with peep. If you want a SUPER RARE Sheridan, find a left handed model with factory scope or peep sight !!
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" C9W ," with Weaver Scope , or " C9SH " with peep.
Steve, would it be if stamped that way if it were made before 1991?
I thought that is when they started calling them C9's?
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" C9W ," with Weaver Scope , or " C9SH " with peep.
Steve, would it be if stamped that way if it were made before 1991?
I thought that is when they started calling them C9's?
Scott,
You may be right, that they just left out that 9. So , CB = Blue Streak, CS= Silver
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" C9W ," with Weaver Scope , or " C9SH " with peep.
Steve, would it be if stamped that way if it were made before 1991?
I thought that is when they started calling them C9's?
Scott,
You may be right, that they just left out that 9. So , CB = Blue Streak, CS= Silver
Model C = Silver Streak
Model CW = Silver Streak with Williams receiver sight
Model CS = Silver Streak with scope
Model CB = Blue Streak
Model CBW = Blue Streak with Williams receiver sight
Model CBS = Blue Streak with scope
The C9 is a different model and follows the same format with a "9" added at end of model designator.
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Thanks U.J. for the rescue !
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Thanks!
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Another option, is mounting a " Red Dot scope." I have one on one of mine. Mine doe not magnify, but does allow you to get on target quickly, & easier. If you are shooting targets, it is not that great since the dot may totally obscure a small target. Also, works best if your eyes are not too bad. Squirrels run when they see me with it.
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Steve, what red dot do you have? I had tried an UTG red dot before, but as you stated, the dot was too big & covered the bullseye/squirrel head.
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This is the 63 rifle with the Red / Green Dot scope. It was on it when I got it. It is a Center Point Model 72602 . This is also the other hard shooting Sheridan that I have. Notice the year correct BROWN handguard.
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Also ... how often do you clean the brass barrels? What do you use?
I have a patchwork kit..can't remember if there a 20 cal... maybe only .177
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Never....
Seems to me that was a benefit of a brass barrel and not recommended from the factory.
OK, that isn't exactly true, when I first get an old gun of unknown origin, I pull a WD-40 or Goo-Gone soaked patch threw it with a string
I then break 5 or 6 Q-tips in half, load like a pellet, and shoot those with a pump or two.
But never do I run a brush or rod down the Bronze barrel.
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Never....
Seems to me that was a benefit of a brass barrel and not recommended from the factory.
OK, that isn't exactly true, when I first get an old gun of unknown origin, I pull a WD-40 or Goo-Gone soaked patch threw it with a string
I then break 5 or 6 Q-tips in half, load like a pellet, and shoot those with a pump or two.
But never do I run a brush or rod down the Bronze barrel.
I figured them to be more sensitive due to the softness of brass but I had never thought to use WD or Goo Gone...that's pretty cool.. and I was curious about Qtips myself, I worried about cotton left behind and stuff but if it works that's very inexpensive. Thank you!
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I pretty much follow the same steps as Scott. Q tips works well. You can even shoot a whole Q Tip through it, if you want. You can get 1/8" wooden dowels at hardware stores , use Weed-Eater line with a melted blob on the end, or I use fishing Leader line , to do as Scott suggested. Don't worry about getting it 100% super clean. You are going to get just a bit of black oil in there from shooting, but nothing to worry about.