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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: lizzie on December 21, 2017, 09:58:17 AM
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I never really gave this much thought, but the thread asking about the best gun in the 1200 dollar-ish range made me ask myself.
I guess for an airgunner, I'm a pretty cheap date, relatively speaking
Thinking back, (and it's only been around 9-10 years that I've been shooting), I guess the highest amount of money I have spent on one gun was a little over 500 dollars, and it was for a beautiful vintage HW35 that Ibought from a fellow member whom I have not seen here in quite some time.
The gun is essentially a closet queen, has a really fine walnut stock, and mechanically, is beautiful. I'd shoot it, but to be honest, it's a little too large for me to handle comfortably, then there's always the possibility of marring the stock, which I don't want to do.
The thread I mentioned made me realize that I actually have a pretty well-defined mental limit in mind, and it's generally around the 500-600 dollar range, which compared to a good many, is cheap!
Generally, I want something with a good bit of age, wood stock, beautiful to look at (for a gun), precision mechanics, smooth shooting, and something that looks like the maker(s) paid attention to quality.
All this time, I had been thinking my collection was impressive, when it isn't! HAHA!
Funneeeeeeee :D
Do you have a limit, and what qualities are a must, for you to consider dropping the money on another air gun?
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1200 is way over my limit.
Except for a few vintage air guns all of mine are under $200.
Gary
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I really don't have a limit it's just that I usually end up trying to get a refurb if it's something I want bad enough. The most I spent on a single air rifle was about $600
Hatsan BT Carnivore .30 cal
Hatsan BT65 QE ,25 cal
Hatsan Bullboss .25 cal
Hatsan AT44-10S QE .25 cal
Hatsan Galatian .177 cal with Wolf LDC
Mrodair Varmint .22 cal
Gamo Urban .22 cal
Hatsan AT P2 .22 cal with Wolf LDC
Hatsan 135 Vortex QE .30 cal
Hatsan 125 Vortex .25 cal
Benjamin Trail NP2 .22 cal
Ruger Blackhawk Elite .177 cal (POS)
Hatsan Mod 25 .22 cal
Crosman 2240 .22 cal
Beeman P17 .177 cal
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My ceiling for airguns has raised over the years. Once I broke that limit (don’t know what it actually was) it was easier to to do it again. Not that what I already had wasn’t quality or good enough, this is a hobby and I work so I can sort of justify the purchases I make. I use justify loosely there... ;). I already have waaaay more than I “need”.
I don’t currently have any airgun wants other than accessories (scopes/mounts) so IF I had a limit for a new/to me airgun, I would say $500 at this moment. But that could easily change depending on what struck my fancy. I would consider $1200 depending on the rifle but I have to admit that I have felt pretty guilty when I spend any money on airguns. Always have for some reason.
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I have a small collection by this sites standard's. I have spent in the $1000.00 dollar range for a total package. Gun, optics, support equipment. I have 2 rifles that are in the $150.00 range and 2 that toped out higher. I have decided that any future purchases will be high end only. Just to limit what/when I will buy. It needs to be something special!
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You know how i "justify" it?
I tell myself it's an investment.
Lololol
:D
(And it IS. I invest....i just wont get a return! ;) )
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I had a old springer I used to shoot pests with. This summer I failed to hit a gofer that I thought I should have and thought I should get on the internet and order me a new gun.
WOW, I had no idea what was out there! As a result I started reading and looking into all the air rifles that were available these days. It took me some time but I ended up buying a RWS 48 and pellets for FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS! I would not have thought when I started looking that I would EVER spend $500 on a "Pellet Gun".
Well, I DID! What's more, I had ordered a SECOND air rifle in less that 30 days. This time it was only around $150.
I don't feel in the least "cheated". I love the rifles and shoot them often. My Brother thinks I have gone CRAZY - LOL
I have been around long enough to see folks spend a TON of money on a lot of "hobby's". Check with anyone who owns a boat! I think owning quality air rifles is down right CHEEP compared to many other "hobbies"!
The Cold Texan
East Side of South Dakota (WHITE CHRISTMAS for sale! CHEEP! bring truck!)
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That's an interesting question Lizzie. I had set my top $ at $300, but then I decided to splurge on a PCP because I wanted a .25 cal and multiple shots. Well that $300 quickly turned into $600 and will probably go a little higher. But I love the accuracy and power of the PCP.
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Lizzie, I started the $1200ish thread kind of asking the question you pose....when is it enough ? How much is enough ? When I bought my first gun it was less than $200. That was in 2014. I am fortunate enough to have a modest collection now and catch myself looking for the next one, all the while knowing I don't NEED another. A rabbit hole for sure this hobby is !
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Lizzie, I started the $1200ish thread kind of asking the question you pose....when is it enough ? How much is enough ? When I bought my first gun it was less than $200. That was in 2014. I am fortunate enough to have a modest collection now and catch myself looking for the next one, all the while knowing I don't NEED another. A rabbit hole for sure this hobby is !
HA! That is funny! I gave up one hobby (RC Airplanes) to get into airguns. I thought I would spend less money, you know buy a rifle then just a few tins of pellets.....then a PCP, and a hand pump, and a nice scope.......then an inexpensive underlever.....then an expensive underlever......then a breakbarrel........................... RC was FAR cheaper!
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Lizzie, I started the $1200ish thread kind of asking the question you pose....when is it enough ? How much is enough ? When I bought my first gun it was less than $200. That was in 2014. I am fortunate enough to have a modest collection now and catch myself looking for the next one, all the while knowing I don't NEED another. A rabbit hole for sure this hobby is !
HA! That is funny! I gave up one hobby (RC Airplanes) to get into airguns. I thought I would spend less money, you know buy a rifle then just a few tins of pellets.....then a PCP, and a hand pump, and a nice scope.......then an inexpensive underlever.....then an expensive underlever......then a breakbarrel........................... RC was FAR cheaper!
I didn't intend it as a hobby. I was purely practical about it. (yeah, right!)
Needed to control sparrows and starlings in the martin houses and bluebird houses, and came here in search of answers about what kind of gun I'd need. Little did I now.........these guys are enablers!
Haha
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I have always been into airguns since I was a kid. I was always jealous of the other kids with their 760s and 880s while I was running around with my little Daisy 102. I could hang with the best of them shot for shot, but distance was a deal breaker.
I've other hobbies that I've spent loads of money on, but not at the rate as this one. It took me quite a few years to build up my flytying/fishing materials. I've just as much on airguns in only a couple of years, and I'm still adding to it... ::)
If I'm looking at buying a rather pricey gun, I generally try to "save up" for it. That gives me plenty of time to see what others think about it and if I really want it. Also gives the manufacturers time to work out the bugs if it's something new on the market.
I really don't have a ceiling, per se, but I do try to control the "instant gratification" gene. I'm at the point now where there is only one left that I would like to own. Like all the others, that one will be awhile in coming home.
And all this started with wanting to get the squirrels out of my yard..... ;D
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Great topic although one of the hardest questions to answer, honestly. :)
I took up this hobby because I love to hunt. I am getting up there in age though so aside from climbing the Rockies here in NM being tougher than they used to be, I don't care much for getting pounded by high powered rifles. I then stumbled onto GTA by accident which led me to pellet guns...obviously.
Tried out a few 880's, took them field hunting & was hooked. Here was something that was very much like archery hunting which I love. Same techniques needed to get relatively close to game. What better way to spend time with my sons & teach them what I know about hunting. Now their hooked.
Well those first few months of experimenting with pellet guns led me to the interests I have now. Love Vintage pumpers; both Benjamin & Sheridan’s or a combination of the two. It is also important to note that there are no closet queens here. Any & all pumpers I buy regardless of condition will be used for hunting, bench shooting, or both. Most of the guns I buy start off weak so it’s obvious they’ve sat idle for quite some time. Add a little oil. Let them sit upright over night & their good as new, knock on wood.
Price wise, it all depends on condition. There are several out there that I wouldn’t pay near what the sellers are asking. Then there are those that are in excellent condition that I will pay a fair price for.
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I have purchased 2 rifles in the last 2 years. Hatsan Torpedo 100X ($118 new) and Browning Leverage ($77 new). Most of my purchases have been under $300. My limit would be $500 one time only for a Walther LGU or LGV. Maybe next year.
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Oh! I do understand about the lack of interest in having closet queens. That was always my original intent, but the 35 is just too large for me, and prior to buying it, I didn't really have a good concept of that. The other air rifle I have which is too large, is my R1, but it's such an excellent starling gun, I shoot it anyway. Lots of fun!
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I have purchased 2 rifles in the last 2 years. Hatsan Torpedo 100X ($118 new) and Browning Leverage ($77 new). Most of my purchases have been under $300. My limit would be $500 one time only for a Walther LGU or LGV. Maybe next year.
Hi Bill (don't think we've "met")-
I have been hearing about the Walthers quite often lately. I may have to give one of those a try at some point.
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Hi Lizzie, nice to meet you. The LGU/LGV seem to be a very worthy competitor for the AA TX200. I would love to have any of them.....
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Well you will have to put me in the cheapskate camp. I prefer to classify it as the low budget camp. I doubt I will ever spend over $400 on an airgun. And I would also not likely ever have more than a small handful of them. I have always tried to get as much quality for my money as possible in any hobby I have pursued. Probably because I have never had the budget for high end stuff.
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My limit is around $500. The fun is in the variety…multiple calibers, power plants, form factors, sizes and weights, and so forth. So I’ve never really had the desire for the stuff in the $1k and higher range. That would only serve to limit the variety I can have. And as someone who enjoys working on them, I really can’t ask for more when for $200 I can whip up a regulated PCP that will consistently snipe ˝” Mardi Gras beads hanging from my 43 yard target and plug gray squirrels in the brain. In the last couple of years, the $200 - $300 price segment of PCPs (along with inexpensive pumps) has really become rich with options so there’s never been a better time to get in the game.
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Here is what I have spent so far, not counting pellets Lizzie. I had two rifles that I gave away (Crosman Vantage @ $115 & Benjamin Legacy @ $105 ) that would have added $ 220 to the Total.
** = Serious Hunting Gun ## = Backyard Shooters With The Grandkids
## Stoeger X-3 = 0 (given to me)
## B-3 = 0 (given to me)
** XL 1100 = 0 ( trade )
** 25 cal Edge = $99
** 117 Striker = $130
## 2100. = $39
## 1377. = $13
## NXG. = $40
** Sniper25cal = $140
** S Ranger = $89 ( after rebate, discounts and bonus bucks. $159 list price at PA )
Total. = $550 ($770)
Scopes = $135 Guns = $550 >> Grand Total = $ 685 Adding Give Aways ($220) = $905
I am not sure what my upper limit would be, as I have not spent any more than $140 on any one gun. Maybe $ 1200 tops, for everything. My limited budget, being retired now, does not allow for any big expenditures for air rifles. I have tried to focus on rifles that were very durable and shot well. I prefer plastic stocks because they take a beating in rough hunting situations. Climbing over ice covered rocks, is very hard on a nice hardwood gun stock. I have a Ruger 22 PB rifle, with several very deep gouges in the wood stock and fore grip. The plastic stocks on most of my air rifle have seen the same environment and have faired much better. I am thinking of coating some of my gun stocks with truck bed liner, to add to their durability, even more. Best Wishes - Tom
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I spent 1800.oo on a used USFT (with some extra goodies thrown in...), and 1300 ish for a scope to go on it..... (ok I bought the scope a few months earlier...). DIdnt really help my scores.. :)
Im saving for a Thomas, dunno what configuration for it yet. Guess the "high end guns" Im still after are the Thomas, a USFT Hunter carbine, an Izzy 42/46 SSP pistol, an Anschutz custom shop 9015Ft model and a Crosman Bulldog... most of the other guns Ive lusted after (D54, TX200) Ive managed to snag at a decent price used....... Also bought a Shoebox compressor and tank to fuel the pcp's.
Im getting close to retirement, and Id like to have the guns I want in hand before then. then spend my golden years throwing lead down range
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Airguns are definitely an investment. Investment in mental health, entertainment, frustration, satisfaction, anything but financial advancement.
I have reached my limit with an old HW77. The limiting factor is my ability to shoot it as well as it could perform. I am trying to improve but the ravages of advancing years just keeps on.
I have four good quality guns, Diana, Webley, Weihrauch but the four that I use the most are three much modified Gamo underlevers and an equally modified Hatsan. There is something about DIY.
I don't lust after any new guns but being of Scottish ancestry a bargain might add to the collection.
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$5000 is my upper limit.
Well ... NO, I have to say $5000 is my upper limit. I know that leaves room for improvements, but a man's gotta have a limit.
I look for:
An accurate rifle for Field Target with impeccable trigger action.
Equipped with a scope that is rock-solid at ranging from 9 to 60 yards.
The right LOOK that will make me incredibly desirable to lovely women folks and make strong men jealous.
Built-in radio and heater.
And a cash rebate of at least $4500.
Thanks for asking.
Bob
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Spring of this year I sold my street bike (due to relentless pressure from my wife). Funds from this bike were kept as "fun money". Some went to kayaks for the family and the rest into the "gun fund". I set a budget of about $1250 for a new gun. I intended to squeeze every penny of value out of it. At the time the exchange rate was more favorable than it is now so I ordered a FX Royale from Aceros.
Thsi is what I was looking for from the gun:
Accurate
High shot count
Regulated
Ambidextrous stock
Good trigger
And in general I wanted a platform that was tried and true vs. latest and greatest. In large part, the FX delivers. My only real gripe is with the regulator (and cost for more mags). I'm sure that I will eventually replace the FX reg with a HUMA. BTW, FX has already sent me one replacement regulator for free.
So beyond swapping the reg (roughly $100 and 10 minutes of work), I really can't imagine what else I might want to do with it. While I do like tinkering with guns, with the little free time that I have, I'd rather be pulling the trigger vs. turning a wrench.
;D
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Hahahaha Bob!.
I have a friend who will get a great chuckle out of your post wrt attracting women and being the envy of men!
Love it!
:D
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The way I see it, it's not the cost of the gun but what you do with it.
Practice practice practice, fear the man with one gun because he can probably shoot his one gun way better than you can one of your fifty.
Of course I don't have only one gun.
I currently don't own anything over $100 and I'm perfectly fine with that, my 79 blue streak and my 2100 are both what I consider very accurate ( ol' blue is a tack driver ) and I can have just much fun with a modified $17 Daisy Buck bb gun as I would with something expensive.
My uncle had a high end PCP which I was able to shoot and I did not have any more fun with it then I did my guns, and he doesn't didn't understand why.
I do however draw the line at the Marksman pistol because I can't hit the broad side of a barn with them.
Currently my limit is $100, but I could eventually push it up to 4-5 if I ever decide to do my 1377 dream build.
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I am flexible on the "upper limit", based on how much fun money I have available, the quality of the rifle, it's left-handedness, and whether it fills some kind of performance niche not offered by my other guns. and what kind of trade I may be able to work out. I have no problem buying a used gun from a reputable seller, and usually prefer it.
Several months ago I was ooohing and ahhhing over some 1500-2000 guns and had an epiphany: I could buy an Anschutz firearm (or similar) for that kind of money, and over time its value would appreciate!! Being the cheapskate that I am, that reigned in what I think about spending on an airgun. Well, that and the fact that my dozen+ airguns are meeting my needs pretty well right now. I'm settling down. :-)
The things I am pretty much settled on:
1. I'm not really interested in lower end/lesser quality guns (by my interpretation, yours may differ). A Crosman springer or nitro piston gun doesn't turn my head, but a Diana, Weihrauch, Air Arms, etc. will
2. I'm not really interested in guns that I have to buy and do more work on to get right. I barely have time to shoot, the last thing I want to do is use my time having to work on the gun. I will, however, buy a used gun that has already been upgraded successfully.
3. Anything I get over $600 will need to replace something in my cabinet, because something is going to go to pay for it!!
4. It could change in the future, but right now I really don't need anything over .25 cal and/or 50fpe.
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I didn't intend it as a hobby. I was purely practical about it. (yeah, right!)
Needed to control sparrows and starlings in the martin houses and bluebird houses, and came here in search of answers about what kind of gun I'd need. Little did I now.........these guys are enablers!
Haha
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I hear you there! When we moved into our first home we discovered it was infested with large coons! I didn't realized how rewarding this hobby is and how much I would grow to love it!
Hatsan BT Carnivore .30 cal
Hatsan BT65 QE ,25 cal
Hatsan Bullboss .25 cal
Hatsan AT44-10S QE .25 cal
Hatsan Galatian .177 cal with Wolf LDC
Mrodair Varmint .22 cal
Gamo Urban .22 cal
Hatsan AT P2 .22 cal with Wolf LDC
Hatsan 135 Vortex QE .30 cal
Hatsan 125 Vortex .25 cal
Benjamin Trail NP2 .22 cal
Ruger Blackhawk Elite .177 cal (POS)
Hatsan Mod 25 .22 cal
Crosman 2240 .22 cal
Beeman P17 .177 cal
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I seem to keep "Raising the Bar" on my upper limit.
My first "recent" airgun was a 1377 for $45 that soon doubled in cost with mods.
I splurged and bought my Crosman Genesis foir $160. At the time thought that was a lot.
Picked up some vintage guns at a lower price to rebuild, then started seeing "Minty" ones for not much more.
Next thing you know a Vintage one was a rebuilt FWB 300S for $500.
PHEW... $500 but it bought me one HECK of a nice shooting gun!
After that I dipped int PCP's with a cheap $200 Maximus / hand pump combo...
Next two guns were $400+ and I felt I got a great deal!
So now that leads me to my next step... a nice "newer" 10M PCP gun. North of $750 is in my future I feel.
I still look at the PA catalog and remember when I thought "Who would pay over $200 for a pellet gun"... now I am wondering "How could I pay $1000 for one?".
And to think I got into this because Powder Burners were getting expensive!
::)
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I've managed to get some very high end PCPs at a reasonable price at an estate auction. One of them is a Steyr LP 10 Olympic grade competition pistol. No way I could ever afford to get new (over 2K), even if I met the requirements that Steyr imposes on who can purchase one. Right now, it is the most expensive gun in our safe of any kind. Such a gun will give you an appreciation of what a truly fine air gun is all about. High end PCPs are definitely state of the art in the AG world and potentially the most expensive guns you can buy.
I am a diehard springer and classic pump shooter, though, and even the most expensive of the lot will keep me under a grand. Had no trouble at all spending the $$ to get any of our Air Arms or HWs and we have a nice collection of both, not to mention also owning some vintage Sheridans and Benjamins.
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I have owned the very best spring guns at the time ( HW80K Tyrolean & HW77K Tyrolean) and they were great but now I am happy with my Hatsan 125 .25 Camo Vortex Sniper and my Benjamin Varmit .22 Nitro piston with CDT trigger. I got the 125 on a closeout ($169) from Hatsan and the Varmit on closeout ($79) from Midway. But now I won't spend over $200 on break barrel, but a PCP is a different story. I now have my sights set in a Daystate Regal .22 and after that, a FX Crown in .25 with .30 barrel. I will be done after that.
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II now have my sights set in a Daystate Regal .22 and after that, a FX Crown in .25 with .30 barrel. I will be done after that.
Famous last words! Hahaha!
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II now have my sights set in a Daystate Regal .22 and after that, a FX Crown in .25 with .30 barrel. I will be done after that.
Famous last words! Hahaha!
You are right! Also a Daystate Air Ranger .25
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Hahahaha Bob!.
I have a friend who will get a great chuckle out of your post wrt attracting women and being the envy of men!
Love it!
:D
Thanks, Lizzie!
I admit that I look like a GOOB, but I sure enjoy Field Target.
Holiday Happies to you, Lizzie.
Bob
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First it was the Crosman 357 CO2 pistol. Next came the Gamo whisper in .177
Now I am up to looking to purchase the .30 cal EVOL and/or the new EdGun Matador R5 in .30
Looks like I have the bug,,,,,,bad.
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Yessir mr007s...you got it....bad......
Lol
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Lizzie, I certainly hope and pray I'll never pay $3800 for another airgun again? But never say never right?
And $1300 for a scope? I've lost my everlovin' mind? Several times I might add! LOL
At least I haven't bought a March scope yet?
Still need to put a .25 cal back in the stable though ;-) Maybe see an Edgun R5M with midlever cocking in my future unless Taipan comes out with a midlever cocker ;-)
Looking for consistent accuracy. Something that will shoot a 250 point BR card at 25 meters, but I'll settle for one than can at least give me in the low to mid 240's per card.
My Thomas is the only one of my guns that I was capable to pull off a 250 card with and I've only done it twice. With quite a few 248's and 249's.
The .177 Cricket Carbine has got me to 247 a couple times, so for the money spent I guess you could say the Cricket wins? LOL
And I'm a very lucky man because my darling wife say's at least I'm not buying motorcycles, boats, or race cars?
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I do not have a set upper limit but I will be getting another PCP before I retire for the last time this coming May. The plan is to get something with a nice walnut stock and probably a side lever action. possibly a .22 but manufacturer is still an open qualifier.
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Airguns like cars prices go up every year but they still sell, I get most of my airguns buy trading and go to airgun shows every year.
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I've never spent $1200 on any gun, the most that I've spent on any gun (powder burners included) was for the gun that I've recently been using a lot and thats an Airmax Dominator. I've been really having a lot of fun hunting with it, the most recent gun that I bought is a Remington 870 Express (used for $100) and I bought it because I haven't had one in years, it's my all time favorite deer and bird gun.
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Gee whiz, reading some of these limits has put my mind at ease. Time to kick it into gear; “On Donner, On Chewy, On Tavo, C’mon Becto, deliver me some more Vintage!
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What I look for the most is accuracy and a good trigger. I've bought and sold a few air guns over the last 4 years looking for the perfect gun(guns) and right now my keepers are the 3 RAWs, a CZ, an AA and one HW springer that I have. The only other AG I would be tempted to purchase would be a Thomas after Mike starts offering his rifles with a wood target stock.
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So far, and I know it won't last, my Limit is $500 but some of the High-End PCP are singing their Siren song. Sure hope Umarex brings out the Gauntlet in .25 it would soothe the beast for quite awhile. lol
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At least We are not as bad as my buddy. Over our 1 week July shutdown he bought 3 Olympic class 10M air pistols (Steyr LP10, Morinin 162EI, and a 162EI Titanium) to go with the 3 he already owned. lol But like the rest of us it makes him happy. He shoots about 500 pellets a week in his basement. I guess its kind of my fault, talked him into buying a tank and his first PCP pistol and then talked him into buying a compressor. lol
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The upper limit is in the hands of the manufacturer ;D
I have some guns that cost a 1000$ or more, both pcp and springers if you count scopes, mounts and tuningkits, and pcp´s needs air so a pump and a tank ads to the cost, but for me it´s totaly worth every spend penny.
And you don´t have to spend 1000´s of dollars for a great gun, a couple of my latest ones, the hw35 from 1969 is one of the best guns i have, and that one cost me as much as my browning x-blade did, and that gun is a piece of cr.. And my hw30 in 20 cal, gracious what a great gun!
But now i´m done buying any more guns, or let me say it this way, if i need another one then i have to sell one of them i have, cause my cabinett is full, i plan to sell my 177 air arms for a 22, cause i have a bunch of very accurate 177 but only two 22´s...
So now i have started to look at co2 pistols, cause they don´t take so much space... Yes i am definitly done buying...
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I started the $1200ish thread kind of asking the question you pose....when is it enough ? How much is enough ? When I bought my first gun it was less than $200.
...... all the while knowing I don't NEED another.
My first AG was a Beeman 0035, a clone of something... likley made by Gamo..... then got a Crosman 2250..... both of those guns were sub 100, but I learned a lot from them, notably what they DIDNT do. And what I wanted from my next purchase. Cheap guns are fun --if you dont expect much (and YMMV)-- but a great way to learn whats gonna work or not. Then you can justify the better gun's expense.........
I dont need another gun, I need a BETTER one.... 8)
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Lizzie, I started the $1200ish thread kind of asking the question you pose....when is it enough ? How much is enough ? When I bought my first gun it was less than $200. That was in 2014. I am fortunate enough to have a modest collection now and catch myself looking for the next one, all the while knowing I don't NEED another. A rabbit hole for sure this hobby is !
My apologies, Jim! I didn't realize that was the purpose of your thread....and was thinking you actually wanted advice on the best expenditure of 1200 dollars for a gun. Hah!
Where does it end?
I'm not sure it does.
I'm not sure it should.
In my (admittedly) limited experience over 9-10 years, it has most definitely slowed.
My taste and wants have narrowed.
My selectiveness has increased greatly.
At first, I was just having fun trying any and everything I could get my hands on, that was affordable for me.
At this point, my "wants list" is very small.
I am not interested, as of yet, in pcp. I am what I'd consider a traditionalist, and enjoy the older practical but nicely built, springers. I'm pretty much the same with pb's. My favorite "real" gun is an old 70's Savage/ Anschutz target .22 that I picked up in a pawn shop (scoped with a cheap Gibson's scope) for $425 about 4 years ago. Solid shooter, fun as can be.
What I am saying is that I don't think it really needs to stop, as long as a person isn't sacrificing his wellbeing, or that of the people who love and care about him, just to keep buying air rifles and related equipment. If I could afford a top-of-the-line target air rifle, I'd do it in a heartbeat, just because I think it would be a blast to shoot, but I'm not willing to spend the money, when it can go for things I'd rather have happening in my life.
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I could say $1000, or perhaps $1500. Accuracy and low ES should be a no excuses given. Beyond that there should be excellent build quality and excellent finishes outside and internally. And factory packaged to ensure undamaged delivery.
Without the above fulfilled, may as well go with one of high value quotient that may be an overachiever.
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My initial limit was $100 for an air gun. They are toy guns after all...
Then I found GTA and learned about some pretty amazing springers/gas ram rifles and the limit went to no more than $200.
Then i discovered PCP's and the not to exceed limit went to $300!
Then Cabala's had that sale on .25 Synrods with an extra $40 off using discounted Gift Cards from Staples. That blew the $300 limit by $40, but, I'm still holding my self to that $300 limit as much as I can on single item purchases!
I've managed to gather another couple PCP's for under the $300 ceiling along with a 90ci carbon fiber tank and a YH compressor, so I feel stepping over that $300 limit one time for the Marauder is justified since I have more than made up that $40 the other deals I managed to snag!
Now, if we are talking the limit of the whole inventory, well, I choose not to think about that! LOL!
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No real limit. I'm a springer guy so most can be had for $700 or less. I won't pay the price for a Whiscombe though. About $300 is my scope limit. Add mounts and tune kit $1200 all in isn't very far off for a quality set up.
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HAHAHA Paul.....you got it BAD!
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Limits are .... well Limiting and not very conducive to the trial & error of ones lust be in wine women or song & Air guns too.
Also growing up like many, Dad had .22 RF guns and others we got to shoot "with dad" but the day to day stuff was BB & pellet guns out in the local fields & woods.
As a young adult still kept that desire for the low power "just for fun" air guns while purchases made of relatively low cost powder burners were made creating my own stash that one day perhaps would be shared with my son or daughter.
In @ 1977-78 purchased my first real gun a Ruger 10-22 for $79.00 then an H&R 940 sidekick for @ $90 with others these first few young adult years. @ 1981/82 got bored with what AG's i had at the time investing into a gun that was by AG standards of the time CRAZY !!! a FWB 124 delux that was purchase threw an non store FFL dealer at cost ... IIRC @ $275.00 followed by a DIANA 75 10M match gun at $525.00 !!
* Now this was way back in the early 80's where I was making less the $7.00 hr & living on my own. Many years passed, got married in 84 and here 33 years later still with her ! In raising 2 boys, home ownership the GUN acquiring went stagnate for the next 20 + years
About 8 years ago got back into shooting the AG's once more finding out when inquiring about local folks AG venues that my "Vintage" air guns were Nice guns but relics of a bygone era being eclipsed by SSP, PCP and a slew of modern designs that I knew nothing of ???
In finding other like minded AG enthusiasts the next few years were spent working with what i had, then @ 6 years ago my son gifted at Christmas a .22 m-rod and it has NEVER been the same sense !!
Tuned & tweaked on it until no stones were unturned while working on others guns to do the same, in time was working on guns I drooled to own getting the satisfaction of working on and shooting while in my possession.
Thus became the foundation of "RELATIVITY" between makes and models behind the quest of the ideal modern AG's.
Having worked on 100's & fortunately able to land a few I thought were keepers bought & sold my way to where at today.
Still have the FWB 124 & Diana 75, added a HW35 a few years ago as well a Diana 100 SSP for the low power easy & fun shooting. None are per-say inexpensive air guns by even today's standards.
PCP's are no different with my least expensive being a Hatsan AT-44, which sadly only shoots fair. Otherwise top shelf gun the likes of RAW, Daystate, BSA, WAR and my original m-rod. these are guns valued in the $700-$2500 range each.
Upper limits .... To each there own within limits of budget of course.
Shooting better grade air guns IMO helps you become a better shooter !!
While many simply don't take AG shooting that seriously to invest big money in it, if you do however the rewards & pleasure of ownership are long lasting !
Just a snippit of my AG Journeys
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Well, yesterday, I put in an order for a Daystate Huntsman Regal XL .22...gulp...1,100 (1st PCP)...then pump @ 200...extra magazine 100....rings 30....scope 200....my D48 was the most I had previously paid for one...have a case for it luckily! I purchased it because I sold some equipment recently I had for close to 20 years and actually made $ on it LOL. So, it was actually a gift to myself from myself :)...had been eyeballing a slew of PCP’s for awhile.....
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Some one said it's viewed cheaper than motorcycles... and they are right.
I got 5 in the shop at the moment and only rode one this past season.
Guess I need to do some rearranging of equity next spring. ::)
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I really don't have an upper limit on what I would be willing to spend. I do, however, have an upper limit on what i can afford to spend! I prefer a spring gun, maybe a gas ram too, but am not really interested in a PCP rifle. I would say that my upper limit on budget, for the time being, is probably around $500. I am willing to spend every bit as much on a air rifle as I would be willing to spend on a firearm. I also have so many cheap guns at the house, that it gets on the wife's nerves a little bit. I would have to be willing to get rid of a couple to pick up a new gun.
The criteria i would be looking for include a solid, quality mid-powered piston rifle that offers a fair trade-off between weight and relative accuracy, with nice looking wood and quality, steel open sights. The new Diana 340 n-tec premium, i think, would suit me well, and also the 34 premium. The LGV Master, while hefty, would be an absolute dream I think. Also, almost anything from Weihrauch. I would put down $1,000 for a quality piston rifle before I would pay half that on a decent PCP. I especially love a break barrel. The finest break barrel I have ever owned is my flying dragon tuned xs28m. I am eager to see what a "quality, European" piston rifle offers above that!
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Pretty interesting thread Lizzie. I just started this hobby a few months ago. I have been building and racing vintage dirt bikes for the past 20 years and thought that this would be a much cheaper hobby.
I think it will be IF I keep it under control but I can see how it could easily get a bit costly if I were to get everything I,m reading about and thinking "ya I need that one"LOL.
I have three so far and the Hatsan 95 was the most at 160.00.I then decided that I wanted to try a gas ram and have a more durable stock so then came the Benjiman Prowler which I really like so then came a Vantage NP to have a cheap open sited gun.
I know the guns that I have are pretty good and can be made even better if need be and I,m really enjoying them,but the more I read on GTA and the more videos I watch the more I want to try a MM tuned XS25 and own a R9 or R7.
My limit was 200.00 on one gun and has now stretched to the R7 or 9 price range.So if I get those two other guns will I be done? I hope so but I doubt it LOL.
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Started out 11 years ago in the hobby. I remember seeing the air force rifles and i said i would never spend 500.00 on an airgun. Well, I spent 800 few years ago on a purchase...that was tough. I just don't see the value/quality in the high priced guns.
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Hello Scott, and welcome!
As for the eventual R7 and/or R9....I advise (and you have no reason to heed it- haha)- keeping your eyes peeled for a used one. You can sometimes get a superb deal on used guns, and unlike some types of products, airguns seem to keep getting better with age, unless they have been abused and mishandled.
I am a big advocate of buying refurbs and used guns, but I realize a good many folks are not.
Just something to keep in mind....and to keep your eyes open for.
Except for my first FWB 124, the nicest guns I have, have been purchased from other members here.
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Started out 11 years ago in the hobby. I remember seeing the air force rifles and i said i would never spend 500.00 on an airgun. Well, I spent 800 few years ago on a purchase...that was tough. I just don't see the value/quality in the high priced guns.
On the super high end guns, I tend to agree, but if I were a competition shooter, I'd think much differently about it.
Much seems to depend on how vested one is in the sport, in ways other than monetary.
For the standard air gun market, which the vast majority of us fit into, I do understand why some would pay relatively large sums of money.
I compare it to myself, and my purchasing of shoes.
Yep! Not heels or other footwear for entertainment, but for working in!
I am an RN, and on the job, I am typically on my feet moving from the time I arrive, until the time I get off.
I learned a few years ago, that even high quality sneakers would no longer be enough to protect my feet from damage.
I now will wear ONLY high-end professional clogs. The Danish made variety. Most people I know wouldn't consider spending 150-200 dollars on a pair of shoes, especially to work in.
I tried the first pair, and will never wear cheap shoes to work in again.
For me, it's well worth the cost....
and that's really what all this is about anyway. Is it worth the money to you, to buy higher quality air guns?
If not, that doesn't indicate any lack of knowledge or taste. It means that either it isn't that important to you, or you just don't prioritize as some other folks do.
It's not anything which is right, wrong, or indifferent.
It's all a personal preference thing.
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My limit was 200.00 on one gun and has now stretched to the R7 or 9 price range. So if I get those two other guns will I be done? I hope so but I doubt it LOL.
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Jerry,that is funny!!
Very well said Lizzie and I agree on the shoes.I work outside on my feet most of the time and good shoes are a must!
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Jerry,that is funny!!
Very well said Lizzie and I agree on the shoes.I work outside on my feet most of the time and good shoes are a must!
Yes Lizzie the "Shoe" reference is spot on as was " if I were a competitive shooter I may think differently"
Specialty tools for the job at hand with no compromises often is the best choice if your serious about what you do ... and need too be every time you work together ;)
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Geez well when I first got back into airguns 3-4yrs ago spending $150 for scope, rings, and my gamo hornet .177 was about the most I could make myself spend at the moment...then paid $220 a year later for a Diana 34p in .22. and $100 for the scope! Man that was it nothing more expensive! Well a few months later found out about PCPs and the Mrod was the most expensive thing I was ever going to buy! Ha! Man I wish I would have listened to myself! 2 yes later and lots of guns tried I dropped over $2000 on one...$300 scope...lol but let me say this my WARP COBRA is amazing so much so I'm selling all other PCPs and getting a few quality springers. Now this is what I'm talking about! German made springers RWS Meisterschutze Pro Compact .177 and Beeman R7 .177 for $650 combined?? Now we're talking!! Lol looking at a R9 for next year which will likely (fingers crossed) be my LAST!
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just did a qiuck summary of the price of my guns that works and i have payed for, it´s more than 7000$... and then ad scopes and tuningkits...
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just did a qiuck summary of the price of my guns that works and i have payed for, it´s more than 7000$... and then ad scopes and tuningkits...
See, I can't do that accurately. I have paid less than $75 for many of mine as projects... Same guns in worse condition are selling for $200 or more on Ebay now. Would I add what I got in them, or their current value. :D
Guess the old addage fits
"My biggest fear is after I die my Wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost"
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I've been fortunate enough to keep all my airgun purchases to $250 or less. The problem is that I have done it many, MANY times. Pretty sure I can get back at least what I've paid for most of them. I do have a bit more than that in the SynRod by way of trading 2 guns for it. Combined they totaled something more than the $250. Along the way I have, and still enjoy many different guns from every platform as well as learning how to get the best results from each. I have guns that can accurately hit anything I aim at within the confines of our property. That, and only that, has always been my goal.
Mission accomplished.
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Dairyboy i love the Gamo Hornet. I will always have a soft spot for a Big Cat, or anything very similar from Gamo. I don't think it is as hard to shoot straight as some say that they are, and they are awesome little lightweight rifles!
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The single most improvement one could make on one of these GAMO guns is the CDT trigger. A, at least, basic tune is almost required. But, these guns can and will shoot.
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Dairyboy i love the Gamo Hornet. I will always have a soft spot for a Big Cat, or anything very similar from Gamo. I don't think it is as hard to shoot straight as some say that they are, and they are awesome little lightweight rifles!
I agree! It's very accurate and hasn't failed me yet. I know alot of people really knock on them but all Gamos I've had have been solid and accurate
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At my age and with my collection, I have reached my limit. That said, I probably should start some downsizing of both airguns and PB's. :-\
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My limit might have bumped up a bit today after discovering a different gun.I think that I,m learning that reading and research is key before any impulse buying happens,especially when you know as little as I do about this sport.
I would like to only buy one gun at my upper spending limit so I want it to be a good fit for me.One that has old school build quality that will stand the test of time.I like break barrels for their simplicity and only need a .177 because it will be for target shooting only.My only other criteria would be nice wood and smooth shooting.
I was thinking that the R7 would fit the bill perfect except for maybe feeling too small.Today I discovered the HW35E walnut and man what a beauty! A good bit more for that with no scope verses the scoped R7 so I have some pondering to do - which is part of the fun.
I can see how it,s easy for ones limit to be pushed higher ;D
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Welcome Scott...
A good idea for someone like you would be to ask around the form in the appropriate gates. Good chance you'll find someone close enough to you that have guns that fit your bill and I have yet to meet a member that is not proud of their guns. Most will be willing to let you handle and shoot them. The fun shoots are also a good place to experience different guns.
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At my age and with my collection, I have reached my limit. That said, I probably should start some downsizing of both airguns and PB's. :-\
Either that or hang on to them until you take the final journey. Just make sure that she knows the true value of your collections so she does not let them go for what you said they cost you ;) ;)
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I've already made it clear to Betty Lou that if something happens to me that she should pick up my laptop, hit the GTA link and PM DeZ. Tell him what's going on and ask for his help liquidating the guns. I don't think there is anyone more fair than Dave. She's also to make a modest donation to the forum with some of the money from them.
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My limit is determined by the following equation:
F = (f x h) / c
Where:
F = fun
f = fun factor (how close is it to what you really wanted)
h = hours of enjoyment
c = cost
j/k (sort of) :D
Wyo
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Hahahaha! :D
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My limit might have bumped up a bit today after discovering a different gun....
I would like to only buy one gun at my upper spending limit so I want it to be a good fit for me.One that has old school build quality that will stand the test of time.I like break barrels for their simplicity and only need a .177 because it will be for target shooting only.My only other criteria would be nice wood and smooth shooting.
Scott (mac): While it's not a Break Barrel, it is a Springer and requires a single stroke of the side lever to fire a shot. No extra equipment or Co2 required. You would be hard pressed to find a better fit for all your other requirements.
I am going to recommend a Feinwerkbau FWB 300S. You can find nice rebuilt ones for $500 if you search patiently. (I did)
LINK TO INFO (http://www.airguns.net/reviews_fwb300s.php) or ask around here. They were used for gun clubs so they are rather plentiful.
I probably just blew your budget for an "old" airgun... but... You will thank me later. ;)
(http://www.airguns.net/images_reviews/fwb300s.jpg)
OH GOD!
I AM AN ENABLER!!
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Thank you Bill,that is a good idea.
Thanks for the info Scott.I haven,t seen those so I will look into it.
Merry Christmas to everyone!
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I've already made it clear to Betty Lou that if something happens to me that she should pick up my laptop, hit the GTA link and PM DeZ. Tell him what's going on and ask for his help liquidating the guns. I don't think there is anyone more fair than Dave. She's also to make a modest donation to the forum with some of the money from them.
I have a list describing all my guns in the safe. PM'ing Dave about the airguns is a good idea. AFAIK, I'm the only one around here who knows anything about them OR how much they cost.
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There's no limit of frustration on what you want next that's for sure.. No matter the price.
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My limit might have bumped up a bit today after discovering a different gun....
I would like to only buy one gun at my upper spending limit so I want it to be a good fit for me.One that has old school build quality that will stand the test of time.I like break barrels for their simplicity and only need a .177 because it will be for target shooting only.My only other criteria would be nice wood and smooth shooting.
Scott (mac): While it's not a Break Barrel, it is a Springer and requires a single stroke of the side lever to fire a shot. No extra equipment or Co2 required. You would be hard pressed to find a better fit for all your other requirements.
I am going to recommend a Feinwerkbau FWB 300S. You can find nice rebuilt ones for $500 if you search patiently. (I did)
LINK TO INFO (http://www.airguns.net/reviews_fwb300s.php) or ask around here. They were used for gun clubs so they are rather plentiful.
I probably just blew your budget for an "old" airgun... but... You will thank me later. ;)
(http://www.airguns.net/images_reviews/fwb300s.jpg)
OH GOD!
I AM AN ENABLER!!
;)
I just got a lefty FWB 300 (pre-S). And yeah, it's fun. ;D
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Well, since all my gun's have cost under $1K ...... so far :o.....................
I'd probably be willing to spend $2K on a RAW, with the understanding, if it wasn't a perfect fit for me -> I'd sell it.
One (delusion) I tell myself, "is that I could sell my guns for almost what I paid for them."
With that idea, I keep 'em in perfect shape and modify them for improved performance, with the hope .......... they will hold there value vs. original cost.
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Well, since all my gun's have cost under $1K ...... so far :o.....................
I'd probably be willing to spend $2K on a RAW, with the understanding, if it wasn't a perfect fit for me -> I'd sell it.
One (delusion) I tell myself, "is that I could sell my guns for almost what I paid for them."
With that idea, I keep 'em in perfect shape and modify them for improved performance, with the hope .......... they will hold there value vs. original cost.
;) ::) Dreamer you know that every person that looks at a "Used" AG is looking for something that is selling for less than 1/2 the original NIB cost
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Hey Don,
You must have spoken to my wife ;) ..... she thinks I'm completely deluded.
She looks at my airguns as if they're syringes, with the pellets being the horse. Every time I go down in the shop I'm just getting another FIX :-\. As you can imagine, I won't be getting that $2K airgun anytime soon ;D.
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under $1000, I got this one brand new R1 .22 cal and had it sent for an Adv. Tuning by Paul Watts, Shrouded barrel.
I always wanted the Venerable Classic Beeman and when I had the chance to get one, I wanted it tuned by Paul Watts and I also wanted a Shroud to tame the bark of this rifle.
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/byhsu/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/byhsu/media/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg.html)
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under $1000, I got this one brand new R1 .22 cal and had it sent for an Adv. Tuning by Paul Watts, Shrouded barrel.
I always wanted the Venerable Classic Beeman and when I had the chance to get one, I wanted it tuned by Paul Watts and I also wanted a Shroud to tame the bark of this rifle.
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/byhsu/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/byhsu/media/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg.html)
Hey Pablo,
Nice one ;) ........... I really prefer the older style stocks relative to my newer HW80.
The R1/HW80 is a beautifully made machine, you will not be disappointed. The gun's a little weighty due to it's robust construction and long barrel, but a beauty just the same.
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under $1000, I got this one brand new R1 .22 cal and had it sent for an Adv. Tuning by Paul Watts, Shrouded barrel.
I always wanted the Venerable Classic Beeman and when I had the chance to get one, I wanted it tuned by Paul Watts and I also wanted a Shroud to tame the bark of this rifle.
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/byhsu/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/byhsu/media/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg.html)
Hey Pablo,
Nice one ;) ........... I really prefer the older style stocks relative to my newer HW80.
The R1/HW80 is a beautifully made machine, you will not be disappointed. The gun's a little weighty due to it's robust construction and long barrel, but a beauty just the same.
And a small pest killin' machine. Hah! :D
I LOVE my R1!
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I’m just getting started with my little collection.But I’m going to try and keep it under $200 for a norm but bump it up and treat myself to a fully tuned German springer of about $700 every few years.
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I’m just getting started with my little collection.But I’m going to try and keep it under $200 for a norm but bump it up and treat myself to a fully tuned German springer of about $700 every few years.
Soon you will change that last line of words to: Fully tuned 700$ German springers a few times a year...
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One of the things that I really like about this sport and this site is that whether you get your gun at Walmart or Krale you can be a part of it and have a lot of fun.
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One of the things that I really like about this sport and this site is that whether you get your gun at Walmart or Krale you can be a part of it and have a lot of fun.
Hear hear!
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I’m just getting started with my little collection.But I’m going to try and keep it under $200 for a norm but bump it up and treat myself to a fully tuned German springer of about $700 every few years.
Soon you will change that last line of words to: Fully tuned 700$ German springers a few times a year...
Well,you never know.Actually John in pa has my Hw50s .177 I just bought for a full tune with vortek internals and i am already eyeing flying dragons Beeman R7 full tuned.
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One of the things that I really like about this sport and this site is that whether you get your gun at Walmart or Krale you can be a part of it and have a lot of fun.
Hear hear!
x2
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I've spent up to $500 on a vintage airgun. For instance, one of the original Beeman Yewha shotguns from the late 70's. I just wanted to hold it in my hands once. I shot it a few times and let it go. I do that alot.....buy a nice.....rare vintage gun just to have held it in my hands once. Then sell it on. The keepers I don't spend more than $150 on. I'm cheap when it comes to my personal shooting.....just a plinker at heart.
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No upper limit. I love them all, and have an obsession for the best. Same with my other hobby.... RC Aircraft. ADDICTED!!!!
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One of the things that I really like about this sport and this site is that whether you get your gun at Walmart or Krale you can be a part of it and have a lot of fun.
Hear hear!
3x. If it makes me happy, that's priceless. ;)
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I thought when I spent $279 on a new D34 and $150 for a Bushnell scope for it, I was pushing my limit.
Now I have a FX Royale 500 with a very nice Hawke sitting on top, $2200+
I guess I don't have a limit. I must be NUTS!!!
And the Madness Goes on.
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If you buy better gun the resale price is better ,collectable guns price goes up ,I like all airguns but would not own some and I have to many to list.
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under $1000, I got this one brand new R1 .22 cal and had it sent for an Adv. Tuning by Paul Watts, Shrouded barrel.
I always wanted the Venerable Classic Beeman and when I had the chance to get one, I wanted it tuned by Paul Watts and I also wanted a Shroud to tame the bark of this rifle.
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/byhsu/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/byhsu/media/R1K_zps0hbkk6c9.jpg.html)
I'm in love