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Title: Monster REDESIGNED vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: skorec on December 15, 2017, 06:09:26 AM

Not only I want to reach more accuracy at longer distances. 
My opinion is that one way to reach it  is:

1.   to use higher pellets with better BC ( Heavy, Monster , Beast )
2.   to use most power full air gun  ( unfortunately my gun is able shoot only 40 FPE )
3.   to use slower spin/twist barrel 1:19” or more  ( unfortunately my barrel is 1:17,7” )
4.   longer barrel eliminate also air flow turbulence direct at front of barrel because lowe air presure.
5.   stiffening the barrel because reduce harmonics amplitude ( Artemis SPA M30 is the nice example )


I want to ask the guys who owned the 22.  PCPs ( M10, M11, M22, Bullboss or Gladius Long, Puncher Long ) which are   able to shoot  more then 50 FPE to compare accuracy for Monsters/980 FPS and Heavy/940FPS.

I add here best video about Monsters redesigned
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347.20 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347.20)

Title: Re: Monster vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: skorec on December 18, 2017, 12:50:30 PM

Today I have done the same shooting at 77 yd.
1.   sub MOA with .22 Heavy/950 FPS
2.   3 * MOA with   .22 Monster/850 FPS

Title: Re: Monster vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: Dairyboy on December 18, 2017, 01:13:00 PM

Are you using the old style or redesigned monsters? Old style are junk IMO. At 930fps the Taipans Veteran can stack jsb heavy pellets at 50yds and those monsters only 3 of 10 hit a 24"x24" box at 50yds

Title: Re: Monster vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: skorec on December 18, 2017, 01:41:46 PM

old style Monster was 20* MOA at 77 yd.

New redesigned Monsters are 2-3* MOA at 77 yd.

I am prity sure than i needonly encrease velocity from 260m/s to 295 m/s

Title: Re: Monster REDESIGNED vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: skorec on February 10, 2018, 02:03:27 PM

Quote from: skorec on December 18, 2017, 12:50:30 PM

Today I have done the same shooting at 77 yd.
1.   sub MOA with .22 Heavy/950 FPS
2.   3 * MOA with   .22 Monster/260 FPS

At me is still the same Jambo Heavy are two times more accurate then Jumbo Monster REDESIGNED.
What about you ?

Title: Re: Monster REDESIGNED vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: Deckard1973 on February 10, 2018, 02:44:13 PM

Howdy Skorec!
I did a heavy pellet comparison here:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=96587.msg902712#msg902712 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=96587.msg902712#msg902712)

I am interested in the Redsigned Heavies, and the performance out of the Beast.
But it is currently freezing rain/snow here, and PA does not have Redesigned Heavies in stock.
I will revisit this thread come spring.

Otherwise, I am interested in your results!

Title: Re: Monster REDESIGNED vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: Dairyboy on February 10, 2018, 04:17:38 PM

I got some JSB beasts in last night and I have the redesigned monsters on order from PA but who knows when they'll be here another month or 2? I don't have much time to shoot so 55yds is my Max yardage at home and with all the wind we've been having I don't get much time to shoot for accuracy right now.

Title: Re: Monster REDESIGNED vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: skorec on February 18, 2018, 03:09:32 AM

It seams that after increasing the speed from 260 to 275 m/s  the accuracy a little bit improved from 3 MOA to 2 MOA.

It was shoting  from 605x16mm choked LW barrel and inside 30 minute after has gone out to +1C air.

Title: Re: Monster REDESIGNED vs Heavy at 70+
Post by: skorec on February 19, 2018, 10:51:57 AM

Heavies  are still 2-3 times better than Monsters. Best accuracy is between 290-298 m/s. About it the flyers are more then 2 or 3 from 10.
Below 285 m/s the group open over 1 MOA and flyers are still 2 or 3   from 10.

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8 Pellets from 10   inside 1,6x10mm at 77 yd is OK ???