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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Skunkarue62 on December 08, 2017, 10:40:00 PM
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Really trying to find a good springer under the $300 price point, not including a scope or mounts, for a cold winter hunting gun. Many of the guns I am considering are the diana 34p, diana 340 n tech, gamo swarm and, the gun I am leaning toward, the hatsan 95 qe vortex. These are just a few of the options that seemed to have good ratings out of all of the guns I looked at. Basically what Im looking for is a gun that has great consistent accuracy at 30-40 yards, has preferably a synthetic stock, weighs around 7 lbs,no barrel droop, in .22 cal, and will preform well in the cold. (20 degrees F minimum) Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. If any of you own the exact gun mentioned, especialy the .22 hatsan 95 vortex qe please tell me how it groups and preforms in the cold.
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I would go with the Diana 34p. It's reliable, accurate and not that heavy.
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I have a 95QE in .25 and have never noticed a loss of power in cold weather. I live in the northern lower peninsula (tip of the mitt) of Michigan.
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Your best value will be the Diana. Mine is a .177 and it will put ten shots inside a dime at twenty yards. It has ventilated a ground squirrel's head at forty. It's not a current production model. It's seventeen years old and the original spring and seal are fine.
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Something from Diana, HW or Walther at that price point
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Benjamin NP2
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I would go with the Diana 34p. It's reliable, accurate and not that heavy.
I would love to get a Diana but I am not sure how it will preform in the extreme cold and I don't like the fact that it has barrel droop. I know this can be compensated for by a mount but many of these cost $30. Id rather just use the mounts from my last gun.
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Benjamin NP2
Not looking for a benjuman or Grossman want better quality.
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Whether it's the "best" or not boils down to personal opinion and if you've been reading on here long enough, you'll find they vary and greatly and that's a very good thing because with a forum with 14,000+ members and counting, you'll get real world opinions from real world shooters, not just whatever reviews a particular air gun retail site chooses to post hoping to boost sales.
That being said, I have one of the rifles in your original post, the Hatsan Mod 95 QE Vortex QE .22. The days I originally had it out for chrony testing and sighting in the scope were only mid 30's, not the 20ish degree weather you asked about, but the rifle performed very well at least in my opinion and you can read the thread I started on the rifle here: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134411.20 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134411.20)
The scopes they come with leave a lot to be desired and most fail inside the first 500 shots or so, but it already sounds like you're planning for something better than it comes with and if it's the rifle you finally settle on getting, MidwayUSA still has a few on sale currently for $159.99 which if you can get one will save you quite a bit towards that better scope. The only box it doesn't check on your list of wants is a synthetic stock. Here's the link if you want to look and if they still do it, they give first time buyers setting up a new account an extra 10% off their first order, so you might be able to save a little more: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/354631/hatsan-model-95-vortex-qe-break-barrel-air-rifle-pellet-walnut-stock-with-scope-3-9x-32mm-matte (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/354631/hatsan-model-95-vortex-qe-break-barrel-air-rifle-pellet-walnut-stock-with-scope-3-9x-32mm-matte)
If a synthetic stock is something you you really want, you might consider taking a look at the Hatsan Model 87QE Vortex.
Same basic rifle as the 95 only with a synthetic stock that has the bonus of an adjustable cheek riser and the safety is a different style than the 95, but I own 2 of them, one in .177 and now a .25 caliber that just got delivered this week that has yet to be fully tested other than the 20 or so shots I took when it got here to make sure everything was working.
Hope the above helps at least a little and you're more than welcome to send me a private message if you have any questions, I'll try my best to answer any you might have.
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In my experience Dianas are higher quality and generally more accurate than Hatsans, and easy to work on.
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Whether it's the "best" or not boils down to personal opinion and if you've been reading on here long enough, you'll find they vary and greatly and that's a very good thing because with a forum with 14,000+ members and counting, you'll get real world opinions from real world shooters, not just whatever reviews a particular air gun retail site chooses to post hoping to boost sales.
That being said, I have one of the rifles in your original post, the Hatsan Mod 95 QE Vortex QE .22. The days I originally had it out for chrony testing and sighting in the scope were only mid 30's, not the 20ish degree weather you asked about, but the rifle performed very well at least in my opinion and you can read the thread I started on the rifle here: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134411.20 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134411.20)
The scopes they come with leave a lot to be desired and most fail inside the first 500 shots or so, but it already sounds like you're planning for something better than it comes with and if it's the rifle you finally settle on getting, MidwayUSA still has a few on sale currently for $159.99 which if you can get one will save you quite a bit towards that better scope. The only box it doesn't check on your list of wants is a synthetic stock. Here's the link if you want to look and if they still do it, they give first time buyers setting up a new account an extra 10% off their first order, so you might be able to save a little more: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/354631/hatsan-model-95-vortex-qe-break-barrel-air-rifle-pellet-walnut-stock-with-scope-3-9x-32mm-matte (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/354631/hatsan-model-95-vortex-qe-break-barrel-air-rifle-pellet-walnut-stock-with-scope-3-9x-32mm-matte)
If a synthetic stock is something you you really want, you might consider taking a look at the Hatsan Model 87QE Vortex.
Same basic rifle as the 95 only with a synthetic stock that has the bonus of an adjustable cheek riser and the safety is a different style than the 95, but I own 2 of them, one in .177 and now a .25 caliber that just got delivered this week that has yet to be fully tested other than the 20 or so shots I took when it got here to make sure everything was working.
Hope the above helps at least a little and you're more than welcome to send me a private message if you have any questions, I'll try my best to answer any you might have.
How accurate is your hatsan 95?
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In my experience Dianas are higher quality and generally more accurate than Hatsans, and easy to work on.
If it wasn't for the barrel droop on the Diana's I would buy one but I don't want to deal with that and don't know how it performs In the colder temps
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Whether it's the "best" or not boils down to personal opinion and if you've been reading on here long enough, you'll find they vary and greatly and that's a very good thing because with a forum with 14,000+ members and counting, you'll get real world opinions from real world shooters, not just whatever reviews a particular air gun retail site chooses to post hoping to boost sales.
That being said, I have one of the rifles in your original post, the Hatsan Mod 95 QE Vortex QE .22. The days I originally had it out for chrony testing and sighting in the scope were only mid 30's, not the 20ish degree weather you asked about, but the rifle performed very well at least in my opinion and you can read the thread I started on the rifle here: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134411.20 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134411.20)
The scopes they come with leave a lot to be desired and most fail inside the first 500 shots or so, but it already sounds like you're planning for something better than it comes with and if it's the rifle you finally settle on getting, MidwayUSA still has a few on sale currently for $159.99 which if you can get one will save you quite a bit towards that better scope. The only box it doesn't check on your list of wants is a synthetic stock. Here's the link if you want to look and if they still do it, they give first time buyers setting up a new account an extra 10% off their first order, so you might be able to save a little more: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/354631/hatsan-model-95-vortex-qe-break-barrel-air-rifle-pellet-walnut-stock-with-scope-3-9x-32mm-matte (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/354631/hatsan-model-95-vortex-qe-break-barrel-air-rifle-pellet-walnut-stock-with-scope-3-9x-32mm-matte)
If a synthetic stock is something you you really want, you might consider taking a look at the Hatsan Model 87QE Vortex.
Same basic rifle as the 95 only with a synthetic stock that has the bonus of an adjustable cheek riser and the safety is a different style than the 95, but I own 2 of them, one in .177 and now a .25 caliber that just got delivered this week that has yet to be fully tested other than the 20 or so shots I took when it got here to make sure everything was working.
Hope the above helps at least a little and you're more than welcome to send me a private message if you have any questions, I'll try my best to answer any you might have.
How accurate is your hatsan 95?
The target in my thread on the rifle was at 25 yards and I was getting about 1 inch groups at that yardage. A better scope than it comes with, finding the pellet it likes best and some practice and I'd like to think you could easily shoot inch or less groups all day long at the yardages you mentioned.
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Benjamin NP2
Not looking for a benjuman or Grossman want better quality.
just as good quality with a much better product support.
the np2 mostly will out shoot other break barrels in .22 hands down
(at least the ones i've seen against the rws & hw's)
and will produce more power than the others.
you just have to feed it what it wants, scope it accordingly
and practice your ability
and i even have a hatsan refurb edge in .177 that is working towards one of the most accurate .177's i have owned.
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I bought a .177 Xisico XS-25 from MM at Flying Dragon Air Rifles, a Diana 34 clone, in May of this year. It is my first springer and my first air rifle in 40 years. I live in Michigan. I have shot the gun frequently in below freezing temps. More than a dozen squirrels have fallen to this rifle in that time, and I cannot tell the difference in its behavior from shooting in the warmer months. It cocks smoothly. It does not feel as if it is cocking any harder due to the cold, and it shoots accurately. My only trouble is that if I am not paying attention, I breathe on the optics while taking a sight and fog things up! Now the gun's behavior might change when the temps hit zero, but you won't find me in the woods or sniping HOSPS from my garage window in those temps. I'll be next to the wood stove drinking cocoa and thanking God I don't have to be out in that brutal weather.
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In my experience Dianas are higher quality and generally more accurate than Hatsans, and easy to work on.
If it wasn't for the barrel droop on the Diana's I would buy one but I don't want to deal with that and don't know how it performs In the colder temps
I understand your hesitancy to bend a brand new barrel. I paid a gunsmith to straighten my first droopy barrel. After that, I started bending them myself as needed.
Never had a problem with any piston gun in any weather. Just check zero and hunt. I think it's a problem invented by marketing departments.
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In my experience Dianas are higher quality and generally more accurate than Hatsans, and easy to work on.
If it wasn't for the barrel droop on the Diana's I would buy one but I don't want to deal with that and don't know how it performs In the colder temps
I understand your hesitancy to bend a brand new barrel. I paid a gunsmith to straighten my first droopy barrel. After that, I started bending them myself as needed.
Never had a problem with any piston gun in any weather. Just check zero and hunt. I think it's a problem invented by marketing departments.
Ya I just don't really want to spend the extra $30+ on a gun thats already close to 300 especialy when I still have a new scope and one piece mount from my last gun.
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I still have a couple questions. Excluding the rws guns would the hatsan be to best choice in my price range? Does anyone have any results of shooting a 34p .22 in the cold? Finally does anyone know where I could go to get a spring on a .177 Grossman G1 Extreme repaired?
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does anyone know where I could go to get a spring on a .177 Grossman G1 Extreme repaired?
try Baker airguns, a vendor on this site.
Dennis has done excellent work for me in the past.
good luck ;)
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Cold Weather Report on the XS-25 (Diana 34 clone): I've been using the XS-25 as my garage gun, storing it there for the past three weeks for HOSP sniping. Today was very cold -- 4 deg over night and no more than 10 deg today. I'd not shot the gun for over a week. I'm happy to say that when two opportunities presented themselves to take out HOSPS, the gun performed well even with it being so cold. 2 HOSPS, 2 shots. Nice. Gotta 3rd one with the Benji 397P. It was a good day even though I missed 2 HOSPS earlier with the 397. I might have to scope the Benji -- those little birds have good camouflage. ::)
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
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John: Cold weather shooting report with a 22cal Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle. These shots were taken standing with the rifle braced on my garage door frame. 3 or 4 were shot off hand. The garage was not heated and the rifle has been in the garage for about a week. It was a little before 7am. The outside temp was -17 F with an 8mph wind from the north west. I took around twenty shots with 22cal gamo redfire 14.5gr hunting pellets. The range on the shots was 25 Yards. I was checking my guns zero before I went out Cotton tail hunting. This rifle has been shooting well right from day one. The first shot was right on. No fliers. The high shots were ones I pulled due to stiff fingers and shooting errors on my part. Good luck on finding the right gun for you & Best Wishes - Tom
Dear All : To see my Review of the Crosman Summit Ranger NP 2 Rifle :
Click Here > https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=139029.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=139029.0)
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Dang, Tom, that is some good shootin'!
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Dang, Tom, that is some good shootin'!
Dennis..It's not me...it's the rifle. This one is a really good shooter. It is not pellet picky and it's easy to shoot well with. This NP2 gun is great. Best Wishes - Tom
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Dang, Tom, that is some good shootin'!
Dennis..It's not me...it's the rifle. This one is a really good shooter. It is not pellet picky and it's easy to shoot well with. This NP2 gun is great. Best Wishes - Tom
I had two Diana 34s one in .17 and one in .22 My Crosman/Benjamin Nitro pistons and NP2 always outshot the German guns.
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Benjamin NP2
Not looking for a benjuman or Grossman want better quality.
If you're looking for higher quality, then Diana is the brand you want, based on your list. I own a couple of NP2, I got for really great prices, and I have been very happy with their build, and accuracy right out of the box. I also own a Diana48, but I would much prefer to grab the much lighter, synthetic stock NP2 for a day in the woods.
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Dang, Tom, that is some good shootin'!
Dennis..It's not me...it's the rifle. This one is a really good shooter. It is not pellet picky and it's easy to shoot well with. This NP2 gun is great. Best Wishes - Tom
I had two Diana 34s one in .17 and one in .22 My Crosman/Benjamin Nitro pistons and NP2 always outshot the German guns.
See...There It IS from the Man himself...Manny the Super Hunter ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Best Wishes - Tom
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Owning a Benjamin Trail NP XL725, a $300 rifle I got for $225 with scope on amazon, I've found it to be very good quality. Accurate and powerful. They have the trail NP2's in wood, synthetic and camo. .177, .22 and .25. Diana's don't have any more power, and seem to me people think they've got to be better because they're German, or UK , whatever. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, folks. Keep that in mind. Good quality can come from here too.
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Owning a Benjamin Trail NP XL725, a $300 rifle I got for $225 with scope on amazon, I've found it to be very good quality. Accurate and powerful. They have the trail NP2's in wood, synthetic and camo. .177, .22 and .25. Diana's don't have any more power, and seem to me people think they've got to be better because they're German, or UK , whatever. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, folks. Keep that in mind. Good quality can come from here too.
As much as I like my NP2s, my Diana48 is built like a tank. After 18 years, with zero servicing, this thing is still as smooth in operations and as accurate as ever. However, its nearly a $500 gun, even back nearly 2 decades ago.
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Benjamin NP2
Not looking for a benjuman or Grossman want better quality.
If you're looking for higher quality, then Diana is the brand you want, based on your list. I own a couple of NP2, I got for really great prices, and I have been very happy with their build, and accuracy right out of the box. I also own a Diana48, but I would much prefer to grab the much lighter, synthetic stock NP2 for a day in the woods.
Ho yeah, forgot that part
My Panther 34 is way heavier then my Titan.
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Owning a Benjamin Trail NP XL725, a $300 rifle I got for $225 with scope on amazon, I've found it to be very good quality. Accurate and powerful. They have the trail NP2's in wood, synthetic and camo. .177, .22 and .25. Diana's don't have any more power, and seem to me people think they've got to be better because they're German, or UK , whatever. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, folks. Keep that in mind. Good quality can come from here too.
I agree Leonard. I've got a Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 with a lot of upgrades to it. It is around 12 lbs with a scope but is a very serious hunting rifle. It is the most powerful rifle that I own and very accurate...once a person learns how to shoot it. The NP2 Summit Ranger is not as powerful but it is about 7 lbs. and you don't have to worry about hunting damage to the plastic stock. The German guns I don't know anything about, but from all that I have read about them, here in the forum, they have excellent workmanship and are Exceptionally Fine Hunting Rifles that look as good as they shoot.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Ho yeah, forgot that part
My Panther 34 is way heavier then my Titan.
I know that Panther!
;D
And I can say the NP2 I had would out shoot it every time.
Springrrrr can tell you I was hitting a 4 inch target at 90 yards with the NP2.
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The NP2's, in my opinion, are lighter, true, but not as good as the Trails were/are. My trail is some 12-13lbs with the Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope. I love the welded Weaver rail too. Nice solid double-click when you cock it. Shoots better than the FPE claimed as well. Even in this video as well, where I test the two weights of H&N hornets;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzhU6sbxM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzhU6sbxM)
I'm used to heavier, " spoils of war" rifles dad taught me to shoot with, so a heavier air rifle is fine with me. And the blued steel, 7/8" barrel shroud with built-in suppressor makes it look more like the magnum it's said to be. The 19.91gr H&N FTT gave a best ever of 858/32.55! 3 of the 6 shots in that group were over 30FPE! The above video shows it doing the same with both weights of H&N hornets- 24.38gr older and 23.16gr newer.
That said, the Diana's are really handsome, lean, wood-stocked downright handsome sporters. Just a bit over-priced for the power produced, in my opinion. That said, I'm very slowly weakening...
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I would go for a Benjamin Prowlers or NP2 gun. I got one for 54.00 and its just just as bad as my 300.00 RWS and Beaman.
I would not dump a bunch of money into a springer hoping for PCP accuracy its going to be a total waste of money so get a cheap on as they shoot pretty good for the money.
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I think as long as you get good glass, good mounts, and ensure your stock screws are tight that you can expect pretty good accuracy as long as you do your part. I would stick to .22 or above.
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Those .22 Crosman/Benjamin NP rifles are good rifles an you can find them well under $100. But if you don't insist on a springer, I would recommend a Gamo Urban and a $45 Chinese PCP pump, under $300 for both.
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Well, I really like the gas ram nitro piston in my trail .25 XL725. But my Hatsan Striker 1000x .22 is very accurate, well balanced and not at all pellet picky. I got the 1000x from midway for 96 bucks. I put a Hammers 3-9x32ao mildot on it as well. Hole in hole accuracy with 14.3gr CPHP's @ 25yds. It liked the H&N hornets as well. Darn good for a 96 dollar springer!
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John: Cold weather shooting report with a 22cal Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle. These shots were taken standing with the rifle braced on my garage door frame. 3 or 4 were shot off hand. The garage was not heated and the rifle has been in the garage for about a week. It was a little before 7am. The outside temp was -17 with an 8mph wind from the north west. I took around twenty shots with 22cal gamo redfire 14.5gr hunting pellets. The range on the shots was 25 Yards. I was checking my guns zero before I went out Cotton tail hunting. This rifle has been shooting well right from day one. The first shot was right on. No fliers. The high shots were ones I pulled due to stiff fingers and shooting errors on my part. Good luck on finding the right gun for you & Best Wishes - Tom
Now stop just a sec! You are both saying and showing that ther is a gun that shoot Gamo pellets accuratly?! Wow, that is not something you see every day, they must have done something wrong at the factory hehe!
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John: Cold weather shooting report with a 22cal Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle. These shots were taken standing with the rifle braced on my garage door frame. 3 or 4 were shot off hand. The garage was not heated and the rifle has been in the garage for about a week. It was a little before 7am. The outside temp was -17 with an 8mph wind from the north west. I took around twenty shots with 22cal gamo redfire 14.5gr hunting pellets. The range on the shots was 25 Yards. I was checking my guns zero before I went out Cotton tail hunting. This rifle has been shooting well right from day one. The first shot was right on. No fliers. The high shots were ones I pulled due to stiff fingers and shooting errors on my part. Good luck on finding the right gun for you & Best Wishes - Tom
Now stop just a sec! You are both saying and showing that ther is a gun that shoot Gamo pellets accuratly?! Wow, that is not something you see every day, they must have done something wrong at the factory hehe!
LOL Gamo must have outsourced production for this particular batch of pellets
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John: Cold weather shooting report with a 22cal Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle. These shots were taken standing with the rifle braced on my garage door frame. 3 or 4 were shot off hand. The garage was not heated and the rifle has been in the garage for about a week. It was a little before 7am. The outside temp was -17 with an 8mph wind from the north west. I took around twenty shots with 22cal gamo redfire 14.5gr hunting pellets. The range on the shots was 25 Yards. I was checking my guns zero before I went out Cotton tail hunting. This rifle has been shooting well right from day one. The first shot was right on. No fliers. The high shots were ones I pulled due to stiff fingers and shooting errors on my part. Good luck on finding the right gun for you & Best Wishes - Tom
Now stop just a sec! You are both saying and showing that ther is a gun that shoot Gamo pellets accuratly?! Wow, that is not something you see every day, they must have done something wrong at the factory hehe!
For some unknown reason this gun is not pellet picky. Every pellet that I have shot through this Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 rifle has shot fairly well out to 25 yards. I don't have to re-adjust the scope. I have shot Crosman Piranhas, Gamo Red Fires, Crosman Destroyers, H&N Terminators and others. Some... but not much... variation in POI out to 25 yards. I don't have a clue why...that is just the way it is on this particular gun. ??? ??? Best Wishes - Tom
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That’s some great shooting Tom!
Leonard, I heard that the CP scope that comes with the XL looks like it was made at the same factory as the Hammers, is this true?
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Yesterday I was shooting golf balls at 90 yards with a Benjamin Prowler .22. (Two balls sitting on nails between the paper plate and disposable baking tray). Now I didn’t hit it on every shot but I was able to hit them pretty regularly. I bet it would be a lot more consistent if I had better glass instead of the Centerpoint it came with...so springers are definitely capable.
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Yesterday I was shooting golf balls at 90 yards with a Benjamin Prowler .22. (Two balls sitting on nails between the paper plate and disposable baking tray). Now I didn’t hit it on every shot but I was able to hit them pretty regularly. I bet it would be a lot more consistent if I had better glass instead of the Centerpoint it came with...so springers are definitely capable.
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Nice long distance shooting with a springer, K!
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In my experience Dianas are higher quality and generally more accurate than Hatsans, and easy to work on.
If it wasn't for the barrel droop on the Diana's I would buy one but I don't want to deal with that and don't know how it performs In the colder temps
Barrel droop is a non issue if you get a drooper scope mount.
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Crosman owns Centerpoint and many others, like Benjamin. I don't know who, if anyone else, builds Centerpoint's scopes. Hammers is another very good quality air rifle scope. Their mounts just can't take heavy break barrel recoil too well. Didn't matter how tight I cranked them on the Hatsan Striker 1000x, the 4-bolt mount walked backward 1/2" and then broke the scope stop screw! So I ditched the Hatsan mount, went for some Simmons low mounts and two Hatsan scope stops together with all 4 screws! We'll see how that works out?!
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Crosman owns Centerpoint and many others, like Benjamin. I don't know who, if anyone else, builds Centerpoint's scopes. Hammers is another very good quality air rifle scope. Their mounts just can't take heavy break barrel recoil too well. Didn't matter how tight I cranked them on the Hatsan Striker 1000x, the 4-bolt mount walked backward 1/2" and then broke the scope stop screw! So I ditched the Hatsan mount, went for some Simmons low mounts and two Hatsan scope stops together with all 4 screws! We'll see how that works out?!
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Get a one piece offset mount. Problem solved. That's what I have on my 95.
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There is also the bore paste on the 11mm dovetail trick,to give the mounts some grit to bite in and hold fast.
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In my experience Dianas are higher quality and generally more accurate than Hatsans, and easy to work on.
If it wasn't for the barrel droop on the Diana's I would buy one but I don't want to deal with that and don't know how it performs In the colder temps
Barrel droop so easy to deal with. Just put a droop weaver rail on it. UTG makes them for like 10.00 on Amazon.
Or can get adjustable rings like the FX.
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Benjamin NP2
Not looking for a benjuman or Grossman want better quality.
If you're looking for higher quality, then Diana is the brand you want, based on your list. I own a couple of NP2, I got for really great prices, and I have been very happy with their build, and accuracy right out of the box. I also own a Diana48, but I would much prefer to grab the much lighter, synthetic stock NP2 for a day in the woods.
Ho yeah, forgot that part
My Panther 34 is way heavier then my Titan.
What?!? My p34 feels like a plastic toy..
That being said... I own most of the guns mentioned here and I’m w NP. NP2 will suit you well. Benjamin/Crosman makes good products. Diana/HW/weinrich make good products. All the aforementioned ship out duds every now and then. My new marauder is actually my favorite gun atm.