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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: Mosin Marine on November 21, 2017, 10:52:52 PM
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On the fence about getting a 1377 and turning it into a carbine. Help me make my decision! Whats your favorite modification on your 1377 and why? Whats the average cost to upgrade a 1377 to be a good backyard pest bird killer?
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I havent done the math on my builds.....somebody may break it down for u...but u need to check out crosmans custom shop....serious deals to be had closer we get to Christmas....I have several CCS guns and some were better deals....good luck
https://www.crosman.com/custom-shop/ (https://www.crosman.com/custom-shop/)
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Brandon,
I converted a 1377 to a carbine a couple of years ago but I didn't keep track of the cost. I added a metal breach, 18" Crosman barrel, new barrel band, and a shoulder stock. It's accurate and easy to pump. I don't have a crony so I can't give you FPE but I have taken pest birds out to about 15 yards with head shots. I have not tried longer shots at pests. Accuracy out to 25 yards is good, for me in the 3/4" range (that's good with my eyes). I also added a TKO LDC.
If I had it to do over again I would go with Crosman Custom Shop 1300KT. Last year CCS had a great Black Friday sale.
Jim
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Brandon,
I converted a 1377 to a carbine a couple of years ago but I didn't keep track of the cost. I added a metal breach, 18" Crosman barrel, new barrel band, and a shoulder stock. It's accurate and easy to pump. I don't have a crony so I can't give you FPE but I have taken pest birds out to about 15 yards with head shots. I have not tried longer shots at pests. Accuracy out to 25 yards is good, for me in the 3/4" range (that's good with my eyes). I also added a TKO LDC.
If I had it to do over again I would go with Crosman Custom Shop 1300KT. Last year CCS had a great Black Friday sale.
Jim
I believe last Christmas I got my 1300KT with camo stock and 18” barrel for less than $100...using code and free ship Friday...I think I ordered 3 guns in all
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1322 is a great option as well, might be a little easier to get the foot pounds you'll want for pest birds. Steel breech is probably the main one to get and maybe a 15" or so barrel. I found the stock 10" barrels to be very accurate though out to 40 yards. The longer barrel will give you some more velocity though. I've heard 18" is optimal for velocity gain. With the new stiffer plastic pistons they come with now, going the flat top route doesn't really make the same gains they used to unless you plan to pump a lot more than 10 pumps. With the 1322 putting a lighter valve spring in and drilling the transfer port out a bit helps a little. If I was going to get one again I'd probably just get the steel breech, a 15-18" barrel, and call it good, maybe put a red dot sight on it. Nice gun for birds out to 30-40 yards ☺️
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Hopefully others will chime in!
I've done lots of mods on these guns. Longer barrel, flat top piston and valve, probe extension to push pellets in further, rva/power adjuster. I also used a 2100 tube to give a longer pump stroke for more power. I made a pumper pcp with an auxiliary tank coming out the side of the valve, experimented with different sizes. Settled for a 12g co2 adapter to give either a air pumped 10 shot string using an empty co2 cartridge or a 40 shot co2 string. I gave that one too my dad and he has shot a few grouse with it. He likes the co2 option and in colder weather he pumps it up to bring the pressure back up on the co2 ☺️. I never thought of doing that, mixing gases, but apparently it works well. It has a pressure gauge so he can tell how many pumps to top up with. Anyway that's getting a little over the top for modding, lol😊
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I recently converted one of my 1377's (just have 2) to a little carbine by adding a steel breech (the long one), a 14" barrel, and the butt stock grip combination. No internals modded at this time. Nothing real fancy, but it's a nice combo.
Here's some numbers off the chrony from just last week.
Description: crosman 1377 w/ 14” bbl. 10 pumps - cphp 7.9 gr.
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 553 5.37 4.37
4 549 5.29 4.34
3 557 5.44 4.40
2 554 5.38 4.38
1 556 5.42 4.39
Average: 553.8 FPS
SD: 3.1 FPS
Spread: 8 FPS
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Description: crosman 1377 w/ 14” bbl. 10 pumps - cp pointed hunting 7.4 gr.
# FPS FT-LBS PF
3 570 5.34 4.22
2 571 5.36 4.23
1 572 5.38 4.23
Average: 571.0 FPS
SD: 1.0 FPS
Spread: 2 FPS
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Description: crosman 1377 w/ 14” bbl. 10 pumps - h&n sp match green 5.25 gr. alloy
# FPS FT-LBS PF
4 652 4.96 3.42
3 651 4.94 3.42
2 655 5.00 3.44
1 653 4.97 3.43
Average: 652.8 FPS
SD: 1.7 FPS
Spread: 4 FPS
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I'd start with a custom shop .22 with a steel breech.
Mine's a .177 but I only use it for chipmunks and hosps. Added a TKO and an R. Arms Innovations AR stock.
(https://i.imgur.com/M4xdSQ2.jpg)
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I rebuilt my rear cocker 1377 a few years ago and have about $280.00 tied up in it. I would go with the custom shop for starters and go from there. I am getting about 615 to 620 fps with a FTP and valve. I can reach out to 50yds for target practice and whack pests up to 25yds.
(https://i.imgur.com/IREMd7I.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ECCWLKG.jpg)50yd target.
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Whats your favorite modification on your 1377 and why?
Whats the average cost to upgrade a 1377 to be a good backyard pest bird killer?
I would say the best mod for a 1377 costs absolutely nothing. Sand and polish the trigger and sear contact points, squeeze the spring to lighten it's weight and put a spent .22 LR case in it as a spring guide.
The steel breech would be my #1 purchased mod. Better (solid) barrel retention, 3/8 dove tail for optics, and it's STEEL not plastic.
Average cost? HA the sky's the limit. You can easily double the initial purchase price modding one.
I've got more in the grips and pump handle than I paid for the gun.
Mine sports a 14.5" barrel, BSA RD30 optics, and a Alchemyairworks muzzle break. Down and dirty I'd say close to $200 total but one piece at a time.
I am going to politely disagree with WesBob, .177 is fine for birds,If you want to go after squirrels or Bunnies, a .22 would be better.
"177 for feathers- 22 for fur".
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1322 is a great option as well, might be a little easier to get the foot pounds you'll want for pest birds. Steel breech is probably the main one to get and maybe a 15" or so barrel. I found the stock 10" barrels to be very accurate though out to 40 yards. The longer barrel will give you some more velocity though. I've heard 18" is optimal for velocity gain. With the new stiffer plastic pistons they come with now, going the flat top route doesn't really make the same gains they used to unless you plan to pump a lot more than 10 pumps. With the 1322 putting a lighter valve spring in and drilling the transfer port out a bit helps a little. If I was going to get one again I'd probably just get the steel breech, a 15-18" barrel, and call it good, maybe put a red dot sight on it. Nice gun for birds out to 30-40 yards ☺️
I would go with the 1322 but i illinois it considered a firearm so i would have to have it sent to a ffl, not to mention crosman wont send us here in illinois anything other then .177 because the law seems to confuse them lol
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I recently converted one of my 1377's (just have 2) to a little carbine by adding a steel breech (the long one), a 14" barrel, and the butt stock grip combination. No internals modded at this time. Nothing real fancy, but it's a nice combo.
Here's some numbers off the chrony from just last week.
Thank you for sharing that information, did you notice a difference after the mods vs before?
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I'd start with a custom shop .22 with a steel breech.
Mine's a .177 but I only use it for chipmunks and hosps. Added a TKO and an R. Arms Innovations AR stock.
Thats a sharp looking rifle jerry! I didn't know TKO made a moderator for the 1377!!!! How quite is it? As for the .22 crosman wont sent me anything larger then .177. I tried to buy a rifle in .22 once, i even gave them a address to a ffl dealer i wanted it shipped. They told me the ffl dealer had to buy the rifle from them then i had to pay back the ffl business. I informed them that is not how this works lol. So after that i learned crosman doesn't want my direct business here in Illinois unless it was a .177
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I rebuilt my rear cocker 1377 a few years ago and have about $280.00 tied up in it. I would go with the custom shop for starters and go from there. I am getting about 615 to 620 fps with a FTP and valve. I can reach out to 50yds for target practice and whack pests up to 25yds.
Thanks Kris,Whats a FTP?
Whats your favorite modification on your 1377 and why?
Whats the average cost to upgrade a 1377 to be a good backyard pest bird killer?
I would say the best mod for a 1377 costs absolutely nothing. Sand and polish the trigger and sear contact points, squeeze the spring to lighten it's weight and put a spent .22 LR case in it as a spring guide.
The steel breech would be my #1 purchased mod. Better (solid) barrel retention, 3/8 dove tail for optics, and it's STEEL not plastic.
Average cost? HA the sky's the limit. You can easily double the initial purchase price modding one.
I've got more in the grips and pump handle than I paid for the gun.
Mine sports a 14.5" barrel, BSA RD30 optics, and a Alchemyairworks muzzle break. Down and dirty I'd say close to $200 total but one piece at a time.
I am going to politely disagree with WesBob, .177 is fine for birds,If you want to go after squirrels or Bunnies, a .22 would be better.
"177 for feathers- 22 for fur".
Thank you scott for that information on how to mod it some without spending nothing! Its going to come in handy.
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I would definitely begin with a Crosman Custom Shop 1300KT - steel breech and the tube is not roll stamped. Interestingly my 1322C which I bought a while back when the .22 was reintroduced is laser engraved like CCS guns. Current 13XX pistols I have seen in stores are roll stamped.
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Good points about the free trigger mods. Forgot about those. The other nearly free mod is to drill a hole in the centre of your back cap and tap it then put a bolt in the back for a power adjuster. If it's a smaller bolt you can use a 22 short casing or cut down 22 casing for a spring guide. If you tap it for a bolt a little larger than the hammer spring then you can change hammer springs on the fly as well if you wanted.
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I would add , I sure wish crosman would offer the fatty forearm again, even if it was just in the CCS...no longer made...but I did read that Alliance may be offering them up in 2018...for now there are some good looking walnut on Ebay....
PS to the OP....not a bad deal here and its ready to go..Im tempted...
http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=152425&adSort=search&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=1 (http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=152425&adSort=search&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=1)
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Thank you scott for that information on how to mod it some without spending nothing! Its going to come in handy.
Here is the video that helped me out on what to do. While it is a 2240 shown, the exact same applies to a 1377.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY4Am1odKd8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY4Am1odKd8)
Here is mine, not a Carbine though. but still a sweet shooting pistol.
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Thank you scott for that information on how to mod it some without spending nothing! Its going to come in handy.
Here is the video that helped me out on what to do. While it is a 2240 shown, the exact same applies to a 1377.
Here is mine, not a Carbine though. but still a sweet shooting pistol.
Thank you!
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Definitely a CCS gun. You can get up to a 18" barrel. Lothar Walther barrels in 14.6" length. Another big plus is that you can then order CCS parts later. Like a .22 barrel. They might not sell the gun, but maybe the barrel!
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I'd start with a custom shop .22 with a steel breech.
Mine's a .177 but I only use it for chipmunks and hosps. Added a TKO and an R. Arms Innovations AR stock.
Thats a sharp looking rifle jerry! I didn't know TKO made a moderator for the 1377!!!! How quite is it? As for the .22 crosman wont sent me anything larger then .177. I tried to buy a rifle in .22 once, i even gave them a address to a ffl dealer i wanted it shipped. They told me the ffl dealer had to buy the rifle from them then i had to pay back the ffl business. I informed them that is not how this works lol. So after that i learned crosman doesn't want my direct business here in Illinois unless it was a .177
It's VERY quiet with the TKO. I forgot they won't ship .22 to IL. The link Phil posted would be a great start for a gun.
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Nobody has mentioned just what the actual cost is for modding one, but I can tell you about mine.
I got one from a friend and member on here for $75 with a couple extra parts.
A little research and a call to David at AlchemyAirwerks, and that $75 dollar purchase rapidly turned into $300 to $400 worth of parts and time spent assembling, testing, finally hitting the mark I had set for what I was going to use it for. There are a ton of wonderful things you can do with these guns and a search through the threads will show you the skies the limit.
Good luck trying to climb back out of this rabbit hole.... ;D
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FTP is a flat top piston.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=83670.msg802677#msg802677 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=83670.msg802677#msg802677)
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Good thing to note ...these guns are essentially plug and play.....steel breech is the same ..to change out all u need is appropriate bolt and barrel....we can get a 22 barrel and bolt to u in the future...if needed...good luck
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Gonna have to go with the gang that said the CS offerings in CO2....
While the pumper will generate brid killing power, and you can fine tune that with the number of pumps, just setting up and sighting in will wear you out.
get s CO2 2400 from the Custom shop, a decent sighting system then start defending yer back yard.....
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While the pumper will generate brid killing power, and you can fine tune that with the number of pumps, just setting up and sighting in will wear you out.
Just a FYI..my 177 CCS 1300KT has peep and post ....18” barrel and took no effort to sight in at 25 yard....YMMV....
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Gonna have to go with the gang that said the CS offerings in CO2....
While the pumper will generate brid killing power, and you can fine tune that with the number of pumps, just setting up and sighting in will wear you out.
get s CO2 2400 from the Custom shop, a decent sighting system then start defending yer back yard.....
While I am a FIRM believer in CO2 guns, Mosin Marine is in McConnell Illinois... hardly year around CO2 area.
That said, I do not agree with you statement... sorry.
I can sit and pump 6, 8, even 10 pumps shot after shot all afternoon with a 1377, not break a sweat, and be grinning the whole time.
Just for the record... I am 54, smoker, drinker, and built like a pregnant Spider Monkey... far from a picture of health.
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Gonna have to go with the gang that said the CS offerings in CO2....
While the pumper will generate brid killing power, and you can fine tune that with the number of pumps, just setting up and sighting in will wear you out.
get s CO2 2400 from the Custom shop, a decent sighting system then start defending yer back yard.....
While I am a FIRM believer in CO2 guns, Mosin Marine is in McConnell Illinois... hardly year around CO2 area.
That said, I do not agree with you statement... sorry.
I can sit and pump 6, 8, even 10 pumps shot after shot all afternoon with a 1377, not break a sweat, and be grinning the whole time.
Just for the record... I am 54, smoker, drinker, and built like a pregnant Spider Monkey... far from a picture of health.
I have to agree
I am looking for the 1377 because it is a pumper, don't want to have to buy co2 cartridges. I live out in the sticks and i have to drive a good distance to any store that carries co2.
Good thing to note ...these guns are essentially plug and play.....steel breech is the same ..to change out all u need is appropriate bolt and barrel....we can get a 22 barrel and bolt to u in the future...if needed...good luck
Thank you for that information! I think that maybe the route i take. I may just leave it .177 also since i have so many .177 pellets sitting around.
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177 on birds?
"It will Keel"
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"It will Keel"
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Oh man almost choked.....
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Hopefully others will chime in!
I've done lots of mods on these guns. Longer barrel, flat top piston and valve, probe extension to push pellets in further, rva/power adjuster. I also used a 2100 tube to give a longer pump stroke for more power. I made a pumper pcp with an auxiliary tank coming out the side of the valve, experimented with different sizes. Settled for a 12g co2 adapter to give either a air pumped 10 shot string using an empty co2 cartridge or a 40 shot co2 string. I gave that one too my dad and he has shot a few grouse with it. He likes the co2 option and in colder weather he pumps it up to bring the pressure back up on the co2 ☺️. I never thought of doing that, mixing gases, but apparently it works well. It has a pressure gauge so he can tell how many pumps to top up with. Anyway that's getting a little over the top for modding, lol😊
That sounds like a great project gun!
On mixing gases, I think air is mostly co2 anyway.
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True enough! I just never thought about it, using air to top up the pressure when it's colder out, it was a great idea ☺️.
Here is a couple of the versions, the 12g adapter is how it ended up. The 88g tank gave a pile of shots! But it took too much work to pump back up😲🤤!
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Nice work WesBob
I like having a gauge on a gun. This is the G2 (gauge & grenade) gun.
Uses a 66 tube, 1701 trigger and Challenger barrel.
Thought about adding a HP schrader valve to a gun, then use a co2 device to fill it.
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Nice! Looks great!
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I like the gauge. 8) I have a 1322 carbine with pinned valve and FTP - decided on pinning after reading an rsterne topic on the pressure that can be developed. But at an altitude disadvantage (5835 feet) here. Have to get on a gauge project. :D
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Back to Brandon's initial questions:
If you have a 1377 as a bone-stock pumper and want it to be a carbine, order up the 1399 stock, attach it, start drilling tiny holes. These things are notoriously accurate for 10-land Crosman barrels.
If you want more excitement or you want to scope it, the first mod is a steel breech. The shorty works fine since the pumper pivot provides a front brace. If you intend to use more than a red-dot or reflex sight, go with the longer breech, though. It adds a few ounces and makes a lightweight pumper more stable.
Okay... if you decide you want to sink more money, now you're at the point where- after a steel breech and an on-sale 1377- you should just go all-in and get the 1300KT CCS with the LW barrel for a few bucks more.
My 1377 wears a Maximus barrel. It's silly-accurate up to 30-ish yards and probably good for lots more. It also makes a fine companion to my 2400KT CO2 carbine that wears an 18" .22 barrel. Between these two airguns, I don't really need any others for day to day shooting. Of course, I never listen to just my needs. Hence my micro-arsenal.
But yeah, steel breech and skeleton stock. Anything else, go the CCS route.
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Back to Brandon's initial questions:
If you have a 1377 as a bone-stock pumper and want it to be a carbine, order up the 1399 stock, attach it, start drilling tiny holes. These things are notoriously accurate for 10-land Crosman barrels.
If you want more excitement or you want to scope it, the first mod is a steel breech. The shorty works fine since the pumper pivot provides a front brace. If you intend to use more than a red-dot or reflex sight, go with the longer breech, though. It adds a few ounces and makes a lightweight pumper more stable.
Okay... if you decide you want to sink more money, now you're at the point where- after a steel breech and an on-sale 1377- you should just go all-in and get the 1300KT CCS with the LW barrel for a few bucks more.
My 1377 wears a Maximus barrel. It's silly-accurate up to 30-ish yards and probably good for lots more. It also makes a fine companion to my 2400KT CO2 carbine that wears an 18" .22 barrel. Between these two airguns, I don't really need any others for day to day shooting. Of course, I never listen to just my needs. Hence my micro-arsenal.
But yeah, steel breech and skeleton stock. Anything else, go the CCS route.
Thank you!
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ok bottom line.....except for adding ONLY a carbine stock The CCS is ALWAYS cheaper...
base 13xx or 22xx with a metal breech, cheaper as a KT and it stays that way with everything on the CCS list...
after a $600 build i did the math and would been $100 better off starting with a complete CCS pistol
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My favorite mod is definitely adding a stock... of any kind- it just adds so much stability. That and a metal breech. I honestly lost track of how much I’ve spent on mine- probably in the 2-4 hundreds. This is mostly because I’ve tried a lot of different stuff.
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Now Brandon,
If you do replace the barrel on your 1377 and install a steel breech, save the parts.
Someday soon get yourself a 2240 and put the 177 barrel and bolt in that and you got a 1740.
You will not be sorry.
Then you can get a steel breech for that one later... and
down
the
rabbit
hole
you
go.
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Now Brandon,
If you do replace the barrel on your 1377 and install a steel breech, save the parts.
Someday soon get yourself a 2240 and put the 177 barrel and bolt in that and you got a 1740.
You will not be sorry.
Then you can get a steel breech for that one later... and
down
the
rabbit
hole
you
go.
;)
It is always how it starts huh.
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we need to politely petition Dez for addition of a.13**/22** gate....call it "The Most Modded Platform in Airgunning Gate" and the delegate some dozen or so uber determined souls to round up and relocate the enormous body of testimony archived on this site into that one universe
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no more gates... If the posts just stayed in the Crosman gate we would be ahead of the game instead of them being in the "dark side" gate for CO2 and Crosman... I'm all for more splitting if it helps but that split hinders for the reason you mention... most Crosman questions are either 13XX/22XX or break barrel so technically there's only 2 platforms... :)
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In my opinion there should be a pumper gate break barrel gate and co2 gate besides the pcp gate, instead of daisy and crosman gates. This would allow people with similar interests to have an easier time interacting.
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It's been discussed in the past in detail. Especially a "pistol gate".
Can you imagine the work involved to weed through all the previous posts to get them sorted into their respected gates?!
Try having a '90 Co2 Sheridan "F"! Where the heck would that go?
Too new for Vintage, not made by Crosman/Benjiman, and not a "HPA" but it is considered a PCP... :D
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True enough, my apologies, easy to say hard to do. Thanks
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It's been discussed in the past in detail. Especially a "pistol gate".
Can you imagine the work involved to weed through all the previous posts to get them sorted into their respected gates?!
Try having a '90 Co2 Sheridan "F"! Where the heck would that go?
Too new for Vintage, not made by Crosman/Benjiman, and not a "HPA" but it is considered a PCP... :D
This COULD be handled by an algorithm if it was well done. There's gotta be at least one programmer on the GTA lol
Realistically though... Yeah, no I think the system as is works well. In fact this forum works better than most that I've been on. so many don't have any organization whatsoever.
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Admittedly, I haven't read all three pages of replies so it's possible that this post is inappropriate due to the OP's decision being made by now . However, if it's not too late, I'd like to share my take on a 1377 carbine. It's been so long since I built her that I can't tell you what supplier's parts were employed. The stock and forend were made by me from hard maple and finished with a bedliner coating. Steel breech, aluminum bolt and handle, High pressure , flat faced valve. High pressure piston assy. 1377 barrel. Delivers well over 800 fps with Crosman Premeres. I call her "The Stinger". 8)
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Admittedly, I haven't read all three pages of replies so it's possible that this post is inappropriate due to the OP's decision being made by now . However, if it's not too late, I'd like to share my take on a 1377 carbine. It's been so long since I built her that I can't tell you what supplier's parts were employed. The stock and forend were made by me from hard maple and finished with a bedliner coating. Steel breech, aluminum bolt and handle, High pressure , flat faced valve. High pressure piston assy. 1377 barrel. Delivers well over 800 fps with Crosman Premeres. I call her "The Stinger". 8)
That is awesome thanks, and i haven't made my decision yet. This is exactly what i had in mind tho
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Thanks for sharing the pictures, great work!
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You can get a considerably good setup for 1377 for around $150
(not including scope).
In this setup the crosman customs shop is actually cheaper than DIY. On the menu pick 18" crosman barrel in .177, the long steel breech, and the shoulder stocked grips (If you only pick those 3 options it's cheaper than DIY)
An aftermarket metal piston makes a big difference too.
Those are the mods that give you (in my opinion) the most performance increase, and only the last one needs to be done yourself.
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Good advice! I'd just add that before you buy the flat top piston, see how you are doing with the plastic piston. They've changed them a year or so ago and now and they are much stiffer than they used to be and actually perform very well up to 15 pumps or so. If you plan to do a bunch of porting and drilling out the valve etc and pumping 30 times per shot, then the metal piston will be needed, but otherwise I'm not sure it's worth it. Your 18" barrel will give you a lot of gain in fps as is.
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You can get a considerably good setup for 1377 for around $150
(not including scope).
In this setup the crosman customs shop is actually cheaper than DIY. On the menu pick 18" crosman barrel in .177, the long steel breech, and the shoulder stocked grips (If you only pick those 3 options it's cheaper than DIY)
An aftermarket metal piston makes a big difference too.
Those are the mods that give you (in my opinion) the most performance increase, and only the last one needs to be done yourself.
Thank you!
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We need to petition Crosman to bring back the fatty forearm.....would be a perfect addition to CCS gun...I read where Alliance Hobby might be offering reproductions this year....none of the vendors I contacted had any , including Alchemy....good luck
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I second that Phil! I've been looking for one to put on my son's 1377, and can't find one anywhere. Does anyone know why it was discontinued?
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Whats a fatty forearm?
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It's a wider forearm that was on a discontinued Crosman 2289 Backpacker. I've seen people also put them on the stock for a cheek rest. I'd post a pic, but don't have enough posts yet. You can google Backpacker and see the wider forearm.
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It's a wider forearm that was on a discontinued Crosman 2289 Backpacker. I've seen people also put them on the stock for a cheek rest. I'd post a pic, but don't have enough posts yet. You can google Backpacker and see the wider forearm.
thank you
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My Bad....fatty on my built 1322, before I found out about the deals at CCS... ;)
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My Bad....fatty on my built 1322, before I found out about the deals at CCS... ;)
Nice!
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My 1377's, Got flat top on both, from AC and Mellon. Got Power adjuster on the carbine in case I want to go over 10 pumps. I mostly go by 10 which gives me 726fps with cpl 7.9. If I go 15 pumps I get 2 low shots for it does not dump all air, got it back down for 10-12 pumps which is plenty to 20 yds. Didn't want to go full time strong spring for I have the heavy hit of the hammer even on low pumps. Power adjuster can take care of the variable pumping. Pistol shots 662 with 10 pumps with cpl. These are my go to nutter buster that loves digging around my backyard. If you don't get crazy on the mods..metal breech, flat top, solid pivot pins, LDC and 18 inch barrel...with base 1377 pistol you can easily add $150+.
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My 1377's, Got flat top on both, from AC and Mellon. Got Power adjuster on the carbine in case I want to go over 10 pumps. I mostly go by 10 which gives me 726fps with cpl 7.9. If I go 15 pumps I get 2 low shots for it does not dump all air, got it back down for 10-12 pumps which is plenty to 20 yds. Didn't want to go full time strong spring for I have the heavy hit of the hammer even on low pumps. Power adjuster can take care of the variable pumping. Pistol shots 662 with 10 pumps with cpl. These are my go to nutter buster that loves digging around my backyard. If you don't get crazy on the mods..metal breech, flat top, solid pivot pins, LDC and 18 inch barrel...with base 1377 pistol you can easily add $150+.
Have you hunted with it?
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Here are 2 ways to go with a 1377 carbine.
(https://www.snapagogo.com/images/2017/08/28/17722DBF-3540-4BB2-BB84-71507ABAF2FD_zpswwfjjwzz.jpg) (https://www.snapagogo.com/image/bzkgu)Uploaded at Snapagogo.com (http://www.snapagogo.com)
Upper: Hunter - 24” barrel with reflex shoud, 3-9x40 UTG scope, standard 1377 tube, wide forearm. 705 fps at 10 pumps (8.4 g JSB Exacts)
Lower: 10m freehand target - 19” Lothar Walther match barrel, power master 66 tube, reduced volume valve, highly adjustable rear stock, custom pump arm, free floating barrel, breach strap, Avanti aperture sights. 465 fps at 3 pumps , 525 at 4 pumps (7.0 g RWS Hobby)
Common to both: steel breach, hammer preload adjuster, flat top piston/ ported valve, 1701p trigger, 1399 rear stock with 3rd screw mod, extended probe bolt, stainless steel safety, Kydex cheekrest, match trigger shoe.
I made the vast majority of the custom parts, but you still don’t want to know the cost...
JMJ
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Here are 2 ways to go with a 1377 carbine.
(https://www.snapagogo.com/images/2017/08/28/17722DBF-3540-4BB2-BB84-71507ABAF2FD_zpswwfjjwzz.jpg) (https://www.snapagogo.com/image/bzkgu)Uploaded at Snapagogo.com (http://www.snapagogo.com)
Upper: Hunter - 24” barrel with reflex shoud, 3-9x40 UTG scope, standard 1377 tube, wide forearm. 705 fps at 10 pumps (8.4 g JSB Exacts)
Lower: 10m freehand target - 19” Lothar Walther match barrel, power master 66 tube, reduced volume valve, highly adjustable rear stock, custom pump arm, free floating barrel, breach strap, Avanti aperture sights. 465 fps at 3 pumps , 525 at 4 pumps (7.0 g RWS Hobby)
Common to both: steel breach, hammer preload adjuster, flat top piston/ ported valve, 1701p trigger, 1399 rear stock with 3rd screw mod, extended probe bolt, stainless steel safety, Kydex cheekrest, match trigger shoe.
I made the vast majority of the custom parts, but you still don’t want to know the cost...
JMJ
I like the upper one allot!
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Brandon we had that same law here in Michigan about the .22 air pistols, heck I bought a .22 38T Crosman pistol back when they first came out and never really used it after that law went into effect. Only a few years ago they finally lifted that law and pretty much it's the sky is the limit here when it comes to airguns, we can even hunt big game with them now. Our law was any air pistol with rifling .177 and up had to be registered according to the way the law was, also black powder pistols were the same way but that's finally gone now too. I hope they get it together there in Illinois.
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My 1377's, Got flat top on both, from AC and Mellon. Got Power adjuster on the carbine in case I want to go over 10 pumps. I mostly go by 10 which gives me 726fps with cpl 7.9. If I go 15 pumps I get 2 low shots for it does not dump all air, got it back down for 10-12 pumps which is plenty to 20 yds. Didn't want to go full time strong spring for I have the heavy hit of the hammer even on low pumps. Power adjuster can take care of the variable pumping. Pistol shots 662 with 10 pumps with cpl. These are my go to nutter buster that loves digging around my backyard. If you don't get crazy on the mods..metal breech, flat top, solid pivot pins, LDC and 18 inch barrel...with base 1377 pistol you can easily add $150+.
Have you hunted with it?
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The best thing I ever did to it was put the steel breach on and the aluminum blue forks barrel band . It mad it solid like a rock, worthy of a scope ;D then I lightened the trigger..I kept the gun compact so it would fit nicely in my backpack.. 3 " group's @ 40 yards resting agents a tree :o...its a money pit . :-\.lol...I have a 1322 I like it much better and I keep it as a pistol no mods well none that can be seen I did lots of power mods to it...
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Brandon we had that same law here in Michigan about the .22 air pistols, heck I bought a .22 38T Crosman pistol back when they first came out and never really used it after that law went into effect. Only a few years ago they finally lifted that law and pretty much it's the sky is the limit here when it comes to airguns, we can even hunt big game with them now. Our law was any air pistol with rifling .177 and up had to be registered according to the way the law was, also black powder pistols were the same way but that's finally gone now too. I hope they get it together there in Illinois.
Thank you wayne, I hope so one day myself
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Here is a 1322 w/a -12" barrel that is more accurate than I am.
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Brandon,
I converted a 1377 to a carbine a couple of years ago but I didn't keep track of the cost. I added a metal breach, 18" Crosman barrel, new barrel band, and a shoulder stock. It's accurate and easy to pump. I don't have a crony so I can't give you FPE but I have taken pest birds out to about 15 yards with head shots. I have not tried longer shots at pests. Accuracy out to 25 yards is good, for me in the 3/4" range (that's good with my eyes). I also added a TKO LDC.
If I had it to do over again I would go with Crosman Custom Shop 1300KT. Last year CCS had a great Black Friday sale.
Jim
I believe last Christmas I got my 1300KT with camo stock and 18” barrel for less than $100...using code and free ship Friday...I think I ordered 3 guns in all
Phil, is the 13xx Crosman Custom Shop's tube stamped? Thanks!
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I have wanted a 1300 for some time, so ordered a CCS in 22. I figured this was going to be my goto and wanted a great base for anything else I might do. I'm waiting for it to show up this week, I hope.
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It's VERY quiet with the TKO.
Do you find that the TKO improved the accuracy any as well? I've read that sometimes the LDCs do because they "peel" away the puff of air as the pellet exits the barrel so there's less turbulence around it to kick it around and skew its direction randomly at the beginning of its travel. I think they're ugly, so I wouldn't add one for the appearance; but if it will reduce the noise and/or increase the accuracy, it's definitely worth it.
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Do you find that the TKO improved the accuracy any as well? I've read that sometimes the LDCs do because they "peel" away the puff of air as the pellet exits the barrel so there's less turbulence around it to kick it around and skew its direction randomly at the beginning of its travel. I think they're ugly, so I wouldn't add one for the appearance; but if it will reduce the noise and/or increase the accuracy, it's definitely worth it.
I can't say if it's more accurate because I just haven't shot it enough without it on. I can say that both are very accurate with a TKO on one and a Rocker1 on the other. I wouldn't plan on an accuracy improvement (although it might), but I wouldn't worry about it losing accuracy.
I think they are both worth it even if just for the noise reduction.
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Never had any problems with the TKOs on my 1377 and 1322. Finding a pellet that the gun likes is half the battle, trigger time is the other to get the accuracy you are looking for. I have hunted with the 1377 and have no problems taking game up to 30yds safely and humanely. The pic below is 50yds with the 1377.
(https://i.imgur.com/ECCWLKG.jpg)
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I sure love the 13xx series of guns! It sure would be fun to have 13xx fest and have a big get together of the series owers and guns. I would love to see them all side by side, then to exchange ideas and such.
I enjoy seeing all the photos in these posts even though I have seen many of them before.
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Guess who finally ordered a 1377. Yup this guy did. Going to have some modding fun
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Guess who finally ordered a 1377. Yup this guy did. Going to have some modding fun
It only took you a mere 2 years to do so, Brandon! haha
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Congrats... since it took two years photos of the progress is a must. ;D
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Congrats on your new 1377. That is one of my favorite airguns.
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Thanks guys, yea sure did take some time. ha ha Got into the hobby of ham radio. That has been taking my fun money for a bit. Since my fun shoot i have been making more air-gun time. Whats the first mod i should do other then put a stock on ha ha. Longer Barrel? Anyone try the really long barrel on theirs?
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Mine has a 12" barrel so I can put a LDC on it. I think as little more fps too. A steel breech is a good thing to get right away, and a Backpacker forearm if you can find one.
Oh, and smooth out the trigger too.
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Mine has a 12" barrel so I can put a LDC on it. I think as little more fps too. A steel breech is a good thing to get right away, and a Backpacker forearm if you can find one.
Oh, and smooth out the trigger too.
It's a good thing you live close Jerry, this spring at the fun shoot I might try a dueling tree with the 1377's
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I would recommend getting a spare valve or two to open up along with your transfer port, as long a barrel as you want to carry around, and a 2100 tube to get a longer stroke, a rear velocity adjuster, and buy or make a ldc.
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Steel breech kit from Mother Crosman.
Then visit the trigger group with some emery cloth /sandpaper.
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The easiest way is to order one form the Crosman Custom Shop.
Get the one with a 14" Lothar barrel to ensure accuracy, although personally, I have never encountered a bad Crosman barrel.
I have never had the need to do mods to increase its power too.
Just get one, shoot it, and go from there.
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I've recently acquired a .22 and a .177 for well under $30. These things practically hits everything I aiming at, so I'm a pretty happy camper. I just don't see a reason to change anything on them really.
....but, to each their own.
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It's a good thing you live close Jerry, this spring at the fun shoot I might try a dueling tree with the 1377's
Cool! But mine has a collapsible stock and red dot site so I may be disqualified. We do have a spare stock 1377 though but I've only shot it a couple times.
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I think but stock and steel breach might be as far as I go with the rifle. Maybe except a better pump arm. Going to be ground squirrel gun for when I am on tractor
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yes if you do anything check out custom gun shop as it could get $$$$ real fast the pic i was trying to send was too big not sure how to shrink it, flt top piston, stock, breech, this 1377 was free to me and co2s don't like the cold, # pumps 10 pumps= 647,652 15pumps=712
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yes if you do anything check out custom gun shop as it could get $$$$ real fast the pic i was trying to send was too big not sure how to shrink it, flt top piston, stock, breech, this 1377 was free to me and co2s don't like the cold, # pumps 10 pumps= 647,652 15pumps=712
There are a few programs that will resize pictures for you. Are you on PC or phone?
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If your using android try photo resize in the play store. Super easy to use.
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If your using android try photo resize in the play store. Super easy to use.
I second this. so easy to use
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open it in MS Paint... click the resize button.
On every windows program since the dawn of OIOIOI.