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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 => Topic started by: Adam L. on November 19, 2017, 01:42:23 AM
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So i am browsing around on Aliexpress looking at different sellers for an air pump and i found this
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/6-8L-carbon-fiber-SCBA-air-tank-bottle-cylinder-300-bar-4500-psi-for-breathing-or/32797724875.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/6-8L-carbon-fiber-SCBA-air-tank-bottle-cylinder-300-bar-4500-psi-for-breathing-or/32797724875.html)
Thoughts?
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Check with the seller that it is DOT certified otherwise you may not be able to have it filled or hydro tested
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Showing as $120 now.
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Showing as $120 now.
Shipping is over $90. So total price over $200
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Nobody will fill it without a DOT sticker, so you must do it yourself which is what looks like you are gonna do. Technically if something went way wrong(tank explosion), you may have trouble with insurance since it’s not certified in the US. Also I’m not sure if you are legally allowed to transport a filled non-certified tank on highways? The tanks are probably built just fine, but those are the other issues I could think of.
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DOT would be a biggie as mentioned.
Also factor in the added shipping cost, and the need to purchase a quality valve/hose/gauge assembly.
And the fact that this would be a no-recourse purchase. What if the valve threads are wrong, or the tank cracks? What are the possibilities of warranty or other recourse?
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It's a 2002 tank with no valve. It is priced at fair value at best and is no special buy. Has no DOT approval so I would have to pass on it myself.
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It’s a 2017.02, they number the tanks differently. I would by one if I had a decent compressor, otherwise nope.
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Thanks for the reply's, didn't think of DOT, its says CE certified but not really sure what that is.
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Thanks for the reply's, didn't think of DOT, its says CE certified but not really sure what that is.
All that means is ChineseExport. Doesn't mean a thing. If its not DOT-cert. you'll have to fill it yourself AND no one will hydro test it.
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CE does not mean Chinese Export.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking
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It is hard to see on the label, but looks like it says to hydro test every 3 years.
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CE does not mean Chinese Export.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking
I stand corrected. I guess you'll have to take it to Europe to get it hydro'd.
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CE does not mean Chinese Export.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking
I think wikipedia has it wrong and it really means “Certifiably Explosive”! ;D
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The CE rating and testing methods in many ways surpasses DOT requirements.... What we need is one standard accepted Worldwide, instead of the DOT and TC going their own way, which just makes like difficult for us.... You probably aren't aware that a DOT rating isn't good enough in Canada.... ::) …. It also has to have the "TC" markings (Transport Canada)…. I understand, however, that CE certified tanks can be recertified in Canada....
Bob
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The CE rating and testing methods in many ways surpasses DOT requirements.... What we need is one standard accepted Worldwide, instead of the DOT and TC going their own way, which just makes like difficult for us.... You probably aren't aware that a DOT rating isn't good enough in Canada.... ::) …. It also has to have the "TC" markings (Transport Canada)…. I understand, however, that CE certified tanks can be recertified in Canada....
Bob
I agree it would be better for all manufactures and customers to have one standard.
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On the subject of "standards" motorcycle helmet standards DOT is required in most states and that certification is done on the honor system by the manufacturer, while Snell testing is done outside the manufacturer. The helmet's manufacturer determines whether his helmets satisfy DOT and then claims the qualification for himself. The government does contract for some spot check testing at commercial and private labs but not very much
Snell certified helmets do/will pass DOT. If you want to be sure that your helmet meets the DOT standard, get a Snell certified helmet. Manufacturers apply for and earn Snell certification because they care about quality. These are the very manufacturers for whom the honor system works. A Snell sticker is your best assurance that the helmet meets both Snell and DOT. Without a Snell sticker, it's purely a gamble that the helmet meets any standard at all as you are just trusting the manufacturer. One standard for helmets and one standard for tanks too would avoid confusion and insure safety.
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I don't know all of the ins and outs of the certifications, so I just use the tanks the American Firefighters carry on their backs inside a hot house. Scott brand is one brand I trust and see them use most often. I never had a problem to date with the used ones I've purchased that are still within the approved dates.
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I just found unused Drager tanks still in the mfg box but the date is 2008 and they haven't ever been Hydrotested. They say that they are unused so they're probably really good tanks for filling yourself.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Drager-4500psi-SCBA-tank-45-minute-carbon-wrapped-Unused-2008-mfg-date-65-5-SCF/231312000514?hash=item35db450602:g:pd4AAOxyhS9Th9oo:rk:32:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Drager-4500psi-SCBA-tank-45-minute-carbon-wrapped-Unused-2008-mfg-date-65-5-SCF/231312000514?hash=item35db450602:g:pd4AAOxyhS9Th9oo:rk:32:pf:0)
You could also get them Hydrotested and be good til 2023 if you wanted to get them filled at a dive shop. Getting them hydrotested cost's about $25
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I purchased one of the 6.8l cf tank acescare brand. I believe they are 74cf. Mine came with gauge for pressure in the tank, and another gauge for output pressure. So I always know the pressure inside the tank and know when it needs to be refill again. But they are in mpa, not psi. These tanks are CE certified. They also sell dot certified too but will be like $105 added. So I went with CE cause I use my own compressor. Only been able to fill to 4000 psi ATM cause somehow my Yong heng clone won't fill pass 4000. It's holding fine and no leaks. The valve has an fill nipples so easy to just hook up an quick disconnect to fill it.
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I might also add the fact that the valves that come on the Drager tanks are really nice IMO. They're very easy to control the pressure you want. The two that I've had have been really good and it wasn't until recently that I started topping them off with my F10 Shoebox, prior to that they have always been filled with breathing air so I'd imagine that the inside of the tanks are pretty decent. Next year I'm going to have Terry inspect them both before he heads back to Florida for the winter again next year. By the time he gets back in 2020 the tanks will both be over 15 years old so I won't be able to get them re-hydro tested again.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4894/44575072500_103a7f405b_b.jpg)
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I have the same 6.8l bottle. It's CE certified. C doesn't stand for China lol. It's what Europe used vs dot that US used. So don't worried it's gonna blow up. You can also get it dot but will be $105 extra. Get dot, if you don't have a compressor cause they won't fill if it's not dot. I got the CE cause it's cheaper and I have my own compressor to fill it. It came with 2 guage. One for pressure in the tank, one for output. So kinda nice to know when it needs a top off.
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I just found unused Drager tanks still in the mfg box but the date is 2008 and they haven't ever been Hydrotested. They say that they are unused so they're probably really good tanks for filling yourself.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Drager-4500psi-SCBA-tank-45-minute-carbon-wrapped-Unused-2008-mfg-date-65-5-SCF/231312000514?hash=item35db450602:g:pd4AAOxyhS9Th9oo:rk:32:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Drager-4500psi-SCBA-tank-45-minute-carbon-wrapped-Unused-2008-mfg-date-65-5-SCF/231312000514?hash=item35db450602:g:pd4AAOxyhS9Th9oo:rk:32:pf:0)
You could also get them Hydrotested and be good til 2023 if you wanted to get them filled at a dive shop. Getting them hydrotested cost's about $25
That is a tank with *ABOUT* 5 years left. Excluding the hydro cost, that is nearly $44/year of ownership cost. That is a wee bit more than a new tank costs to own. Hunt ebay for a bit, and $25/year of ownership pricing is available, and sometimes below that. Sometimes significantly, like if you are willing to do some small profit taking on re-sale and buy a few. Let alone what you can often recover when it has two years left when you sell it.
cheers,
Douglas
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So i am browsing around on Aliexpress looking at different sellers for an air pump and i found this
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/6-8L-carbon-fiber-SCBA-air-tank-bottle-cylinder-300-bar-4500-psi-for-breathing-or/32797724875.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/6-8L-carbon-fiber-SCBA-air-tank-bottle-cylinder-300-bar-4500-psi-for-breathing-or/32797724875.html)
Thoughts?
The key question is whether you're filling it with your own compressor or going to a retailer for fills. If you have your own compressor it's a good deal. So is that new Drager from 2008 for $215 including shipping that is DOT certified. I own my own compressor and have owned a 3L CE certified Acecare tank myself. I am not afraid of the Chinese made CE certified tanks exploding. They are just as well made as the DOT tanks sold in the U.S.
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Would never buy anything from acecare. I dont think any of there tanks are certified anything.
Last year I inquired on getting .5 liter tanks that were DOT from acecare. They said not a problem and said I had to buy a lot which is 200. I said ok but I need to see your DOT label. After about 2 week I'm finally sent a label.
The label was for a 68 ci 4500 psi paintball tank. Googled the number and the label belonged to a company in Taiwan.
I replied to the email and said nice but that is not your label. Never heard from them again. Was going to be a $22,000 sale. So you see they will do what it takes to sell tanks. But when caught in there lies they are gone.
I have the emails and label.
Just a little info for you.
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I bought one of those $75 Drager bottles from the ebay seller in phoenix, its at hydro right now. It was in rough condition and Thunderbird said they could test it. If it has any signs of damage on the outside they wouldn't have touched it. They come from the Phx Fire department. I sent it to hydro for piece of mind. It has a round bottom on it too so i need to make a stand to put it in. I couldn't see spending $215 vs $75 for the same exact manufacture date on the bottle, doesn't matter if its new and unused or not.
If I had the money to set aside for a chance i would buy a small lot of those bottles and send them to hydro and relist on ebay they would sell faster. Not everyone has a hydro testing facility near them. The place I went to is 60 miles away from me.
I probably wouldn't hesitate to buy a bottle with the EU version of testing certification vs DOT, if you are filling it at home. I don't believe the hype about not being able to transport a non DOT bottle, because fuel cans from china do not contain DOT markings and yet people transport and fill those everyday with fuel.
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I bought an MSA H-30, 45cf SCBA tank on ebay with a manufacturer date of 09/09. It was $120 + $20 Shipping and $25 hydro test. $165 total, not including fill adapter.
I think the cost per year is reasonable and I don't have to spent a huge amount up front. By the time hydro expires I hope to have a decent compressor.