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Airguns by Make and Model => Beeman Airguns => Topic started by: Weiand on November 01, 2017, 05:44:38 PM
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Very recently just got my first and second Beeman P17
Yea... I bought two right out of the gate. $26.99 each. So I had to. I'm pretty sure it might be a "law" sumwhere that I had to buy two.
One is still in the package.
The first one, nothing done to it other than mostly sight'd in the optic fiber sights.
Now that I have my first Chrony set / rigg'd up in a way that it give's more results than errors I ran 5 shot strings of all the pellets I've got.
I do NOT know how accurate my Caldwell chrony is, as if the numbers are slower / faster / "on" the actual FPS, but it does give me results that I can compare.
I now have FPS for the pellets I have / use. No idea on the accuracy of each pellet, that will be the next test, prob at 10 feet jus' so I can see the paper
a bit better since not using a scope
On package, states 410 FPS. Granted, does NOT tell the type or weight of the pellet used to get 410
Eight different brand/type/weight pellets were tested.
End of muzzle was about 2 feet from the front sensor
1.) Crosman Premir Dome 10.56g Tight fit in barrel
1 - 370 2 - 369 3 - 368 4 - 368 5 - 369
2.) H & N Excite Pointed 8.64g Loose fit in barrel
1 - 406 2 - 406 3 - 408 4 - 406 5 - 403
3.) Crosman Premier Dome 7.9g Tight fit in barrel
1 - 416 2 - 415 3 - 420 4 - 418 5 - 415
4.) Crosman Premier Hollow 7.9g Tight fit in barrel
1 - 413 2 - 414 3 - 413 4 - 414 5 - 415
5.) Beeman Coated Wad 7.8g Loose fit in barrel
1 - 412 2 - 414 3 - 413 4 - 410 5 - 412
6.) Daisy Precision Max Wad 7.5g Loose fit in barrel
1 - 410 2 - 411 3 - 410 4 - 409 5 - 410
7.) H & N Excite Wad 7.48g Loose fit in barrel
1 - 432 2 - 438 3 - 446 4 - 442 5 - 439
8.) Beeman Coated Hollow 7.2g Tight fit in barrel
1 - 429 2 - 429 3 - 431 4 - 428 5 - 428
After runnin' the 7.2 Hollow's, I ran another 5 of the H & N Wad's to see if the numbers would show as high again
1 - 435 2 - 443 3 - 443 4 - 440 5 - 442
Once I got to the under 8's the FPS was as shown on the package.... but the H & N Excite Wad's were speed demons.
The Beeman Coated Hollow's were pretty close in speed.
I keep the Beeman Hollow's on hand as well have more on the way from Pyramyd
the H & N's only have a few of those, but there are more on the way with the same Pyramyd order
Next test will be 10 then 20 feet accuracy test with the Beeman Hollow's an the speed deamon H & N's.
If the H & N's can give a good accuracy, MORE of those will be need'd an the P17 will eat those all the time.
Anyone else ran their P17 thru their chrony? Any diff in the numbers as compared to what I got with mine?
As said, the P17 is un-touched an this is my base for FPS
Will test the 2 diff pellets for accuracy whilst still un-touched
THEN can work on the trigger and any other mod / mods I can find for it.
I do know after 'bout 50 shots one right after the other, the hands start to feel the cockin' of it.
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Nice! Thanks for sharing. I have had my eye on one of these. Here in Canada they are nearly $50 though.
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Did a bit of accuracy test with the 7.48 Wad's an 7.2 Hollow's
Grant'd, the sights are still off a bit, but, the Wad's seem'd to group tighter than the Hollow's at the 10 foot test
Mov'd to 20 feet an work'd on adjustin' it a bit. Walk'd it around a lot.... have it pretty close now.
The Wad's seem to get quite close to "my" poa.... which, "iron sights" are still an issue for me for hittin' a specific small spot.
The fiber optics do make it much easy'r though, I will say that.
My main shootin' is done thru a scope for pinpoint hits and shootin' playin' cards in half. Prior to airgun pistols, my "handguns" were Iron sights but I wasn't
goin' for a small small certain spot to hit..... puttin' the bullet in a 2 inch area was all I was concern'd with.
So more learnin' to pinpoint with the iron sights.
Seem's the H & N 7.48 Wads will be this P17's food. Decent grouping, moves fast (for a single stroke) an the Wad's spank nice.
I doubt it will do much for pestin' much more than say 'mebbe 20 feet an small pests, like mouse, sparrow size pests.
It is a fun shooter and the size and feel jus' add's to the fun.
After close to 100 shots thru it today, both hands feel the effect of pressure from cockin' it. I do keep my hand open flat an push with open palm to avoid pinchin' the hand when it closes, seems like would smart quite a bit.
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Anyone else ran their P17 thru their chrony? Any diff in the numbers as compared to what I got with mine?
As said, the P17 is un-touched an this is my base for FPS
Will test the 2 diff pellets for accuracy whilst still un-touched
THEN can work on the trigger and any other mod / mods I can find for it.
I do know after 'bout 50 shots one right after the other, the hands start to feel the cockin' of it.
I only chronographed mine with one pellet: the RWS MeisterKugeln Pistol 7 gr. wadcutters. They averaged 406 fps. My P17 loves these pellets, but does about as well with inexpensive Crosman Competition 7.4 gr. wadcutters. I put a one-piece UTG 1" scope mount and an RWS 1.75x pistol scope on my P17. It makes cocking a little easier and aiming a LOT easier for my older eyes.
Tight groups,
Bob
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aiming a LOT easier for my older eyes.
I hear you on that. At 20 feet in the well lit garage with my dime sheet (Sheet of paper with dimes printed on it) is quite hard for me to see...
I think there is a tin of the Crosman 7.4 Wads on the way that were included with the 760 (in PINK) I jus' order'd for my 'lil princess. I may have to try those in it as well.
For now though, the H & N 7.48 Wads scoot an group well
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oh..... and you P17 owners...... the screw holdin' the grips on..... it's quite small and I can't tell if it's an allen or a star
anyone know offhand which it is? Ya know, usually better to know ahead of time instead of jus' crammin' sumtin' in an reefin' on it.
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oh..... and you P17 owners...... the screw holdin' the grips on..... it's quite small and I can't tell if it's an allen or a star
anyone know offhand which it is? Ya know, usually better to know ahead of time instead of jus' crammin' sumtin' in an reefin' on it.
Jon,
Congrats on your "dual" P-17s! Those FPS velocities are real good...got a keeper!! 8)
The grip screws have 2.5mm allen heads. Just make sure you remove the "right" grip... ::)
When you are ready, attached is a little teaser of what's under the hood! ;)
Ted
BTW, I killed 500+ rounds with my P17's and P3 yesterday and today...cocking these SSP's...you get use to it! ;D
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I'll just go pick up an allen just for the P17's, make life a bit more easy.
I may have to take the other one out of the package an see if the H & N's give the same numbers...
Those pics will help a lot, tanks for that. I can see how taking off the left grip would be screaming for small parts to fly far far away from me.
"Was" thinking / wondering if I could pull both sides of the grips off an if could get paint to stick to them. Since having two, 01 and 02, for a way to 'member which was which.
Seems a new idea will be needed for that.
Now that I've got my base numbers an fired it to get the feel...
The trigger needs to be a bit smoother. Is pretty smooth now. A lot of dead pull before it releases, would like to get a lot of that out.
As well would like to make the trigger as light as possible.
I'm guessing not really much, if anything can be done to push the power up any with being a single stroke
I've done no cleaning to it, no wiping, no greasing, well, not had the grip off yet.
Once I get the grip off an see what can be done to the trigger, seems I'll need to pick up sum type of grease for in there
run a patch down the barrel a few times an prob wipe the outside of the piston down
really not sure where the oil (Mac1 Secret Sauce) part would be on it. A drop or two at the hinge just to keep it movin' smooth an seems sumwhere on the piston
Since i've heard the O-rings like to go T.U., havin' a few on hand could be helpful.... size known? dia. thickness etc. ?
I hear the dollar store callin' my name for the clear hinged lidded boxs to hold O-rings an the allen for the P17's
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The two pics you posted show it apart a bit, but, does it come apart anymore?
Since I have two of them right now, one still in the package, and well..... I put another order in at Pyramyd today another P17 was just staring at me like a lost hungry puppy....
so ya know.....
So since a 3rd is on it's way... an daddy's 'lil princess likes to shoot as well an is ALL 'bout Pink..... was wonderin' how much of a total pain in the pain it would be to get it all apart
get a can of the Krylon Fusion Plastic paint and paint it pink for her......
I've got 2 of the Crosman C11's on the way cuz well, a BB shooter jus' seems way cheaper an faster than the pellet repeaters an accuracy wouldn't be that big of an issue as long as it can stay in like a 8 x 8 area or so. the C11's, short of the back side of the grip that slides off, look to be quite the mess to tear down for any kind of paint job.
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The two pics you posted show it apart a bit, but, does it come apart anymore?
Since I have two of them right now, one still in the package, and well..... I put another order in at Pyramyd today another P17 was just staring at me like a lost hungry puppy....
so ya know.....
So since a 3rd is on it's way... an daddy's 'lil princess likes to shoot as well an is ALL 'bout Pink..... was wonderin' how much of a total pain in the pain it would be to get it all apart
get a can of the Krylon Fusion Plastic paint and paint it pink for her......
I've got 2 of the Crosman C11's on the way cuz well, a BB shooter jus' seems way cheaper an faster than the pellet repeaters an accuracy wouldn't be that big of an issue as long as it can stay in like a 8 x 8 area or so. the C11's, short of the back side of the grip that slides off, look to be quite the mess to tear down for any kind of paint job.
Jon,
Taking your interest and passion in this shooting sport is really extra special when sharing the fun and excitement with our youth, your teen princess!! 8)
From my last pic, the P17 's over lever pivot pin can be removed to separate the top pump over lever (UL058) and bottom receiver (includes the left grip assembly-PG028). Remove the pin from the external hammer lock and the pin for the safety selector, then disassemble the rear sight. I've not taken it down this far, but seems like I was already close! At this point, all exterior surfaces should be accessible for painting. HERE (https://www.gunspares.co.uk/products/24763/P3) is a great diagram\parts inventory for quick reference!
I just obtained a Crosman C11 "look alike", the Bear River BOA...have a GTA review HERE (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=133500.msg1337637#msg1337637) ! Fun, cheap and convenient little CO2 BB pistol (my 1st)! ;D
Ted
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Does seem to be a few more parts in there than I thought there would be, but not too bad. Which of course, why it's always better to ask around a bit prior to just crammin' a wrench in there, reefin' on it, takin' parts off then see the whiz of small stuffs zing past an hear it bounce feet away only to be lost forevers.... :)
And as always, pictures taken prior for referance afterwords. I'll test fire it prior to takedown an run a few thru the chrony jus' cuz.
I really should pick up sum grease for the trigger parts on re-assembly, look's like a lithium grease or sumtin'
an hopfully at the same time to see in there how to take up sum of the dead space on the trigger an lighten it up a bit
Does give me time to get it torn down, painted, plenty of dry and cure time with several coats of clear coat to "toughen" up the paint job.
Shooting airguns with the 'lil princess is a lot more fun (for me) than the play with Barbies time. :)
That's a neat lookin' 'lil BB pistol there. Seems pretty close in the fps range as well.
I seem to end up with a lot of Crosman stuff.
the C11 is sent with BB's, a few targets, I tink it was a 5 pack of carts, a nylon belt holster an a tin of copper coated lead BB's
not too bad for the $36 or $39 that it was. Will be my first BB pistol as well, an really first BB shooter.
I've got the Daisy Red Ryder (1948-ish) that I don't shoot, cuz well no BB's. I've never put BB's thru my Crosman 664X an won't the Crosman Legacy either.
Working on building a BB trap so then it will just be sum fun shooting with only worry of keeping the smoothbore BB flying in like a 7 x 7 group
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Yep..maybe we'll see a USA 10-ringer pony-tailed shooter in the 2024 Paris Olympic Pistol\Rifle Competition...with a PINK Pistol!!! ;D 8)
Jon, HERE (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=133079.0) is some good indoor target Pellet\BB back stop info and ideas! ;)
Ted
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If she could get pink lead she would......
Ah, I don't go that elaborate on a trap. My "trap" for pellet use is actually 113% free for me.
I get a box of boxes free, delivered for free to my door from the postoffice.
Litterally a big box tightly packed with folded boxes in it. Stops ALL of my pellet guns. Almost stops the 'ole '67 Colt Frontier Scout .22
I'm pretty sure I posted that free gig in the tricks an tips area, I'm just too lazy to look for it right now :)
For the BB's though, I goin' for no richochett / bounce as well as not having BB's all over the garage.
Jus' didn't work on it today, was puttin' the Legacy thru the chorny
basic design will be a flat thin base, groove cut risers, a "border" on the base to act as a "bowl" for the BB's to roll around in, cardboard slide in the front riser to tape target to
middle rises with sheet / pillow case material hanging over a dowl to act as a ballistics blanket, back riser being another piece of cardboard to just keep it all in, which when being used will sit infront of my main trap as a fail safe
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Found the old "trap" thread https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=86629.msg833031#msg833031 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=86629.msg833031#msg833031)
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That's a better deal than mine (free)! Imagine it would stop anything I'd have to throw (shoot) at it!!! ;D
Ted
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I put massive amounts of pellets into it. Grant'd, when shootin' in the same spot a few hundred times, it does start to work it's way thru.
15 feet from that trap it almos' stops a .22 L.R. pistol
so I figure any and all airguns I have / get it will stop
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I've got 2 of the Crosman C11's on the way cuz well, a BB shooter jus' seems way cheaper an faster than the pellet repeaters an accuracy wouldn't be that big of an issue as long as it can stay in like a 8 x 8 area or so. the C11's, short of the back side of the grip that slides off, look to be quite the mess to tear down for any kind of paint job.
Jon,
Curious if you have your hands on the C11's yet...thinking of getting the tactical version, the TACC11KT2, that shoots 550fps with a 3.5" longer barrel and comes with laser sight, see HERE (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-c11-semi-auto-air-pistol-co2-bb-kit?m=4083) !
Ted
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They have arriv'd, I've taken a look at one, but have not had the chance to test one out yet.
I do know so far, the way the grip slides off to load the cart seems a bit loose fittin' when goin' back on. Seem's a hair dryer an a bit of pressure would bend it in jus' a bit to make for a tighter fit.
A small 'lil pistol with a decent enough of a look to it. The "clip" is metal which is a bonus as are the extra ones that can be bought.
Hopin' to be testin' it out real soon
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Thanks for posting your chrony numbers, as it's nice to see where mine is in the mix. I've only chronied a couple different pellets so far. For me the accuracy and trigger are far superior to the price point of the gun, and even with the slightly lower power aspect, I really like the P17.
Here's the numbers I got:
CPHP 7.9 gr.
1.) 404
2.) 402 Ave= 403.66
3.) 405
H&N Sport Match Green Lead Free 5.25 gr.
1.) 475
2.) 471 Ave= 473
3.) 473
I will say the light lead free ones really sail out of it pretty fast.
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I've got a few more pellets to test on the chrony.
Quite a few of them are pretty accurate which is a bonus.
The H & N Wad's 7.48 that like to scream are pretty accurate an the fact that a tin of 100 is $1.78 or so at PA makes it all the more bonus.
For the price & quality, it's a good fun pistol.
I've got two of them & got my 'lil princess one for Christmas & gave it sum pink highlights for her.