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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
Not on any of the guns you mentioned, but this Williams sit on my HW 50.
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What model is that sight?
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Here's what my Diana 34 carries...
Williams FP-AG-TK
Works fine with factory front sight.
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
Not on any of the guns you mentioned, but this Williams sit on my HW 50.
Which one is that and how do you like it?
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
Smallest rear peep in a 460:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img368/9995/smwgrsqt3.jpg)
Tanegashima style front post in a 460:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img224/7465/sm460filedfsbz1.jpg)
Firesights in a 430 Stutzen:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img15/4497/1000834av.jpg)
Williams FP TK AG in a 54:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img213/1276/smrearfptk.jpg)
Adapter block for American style cross-dovetailed front sights for a 54:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img718/6353/smwfsonramp.jpg)
Williams 5D on a 34:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9336/029oq.jpg)
Lyman 17A MH into a D54 front sight block:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img851/8693/1000829x.jpg)
Front Flat Muzzle Piece for a 54 (OEM) with FiberOptics:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img708/7442/truglofront.jpg)
Williams FP TK AG with twilight peep coupled with a flat base muzzle piece and Optic Fiber front dot:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img220/5736/ironsight542.jpg)
Same arrangement as seen through the peeps:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img696/8472/ironsight543.jpg)
Diana KornTunnel:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img62/5341/matchkorn20002.jpg)
Conversion of OEM rear sights into Peep sights:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/2733/m5MDIs.jpg)
Quick handling bergstutzen:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5536/mYglNd.jpg)
As you can see, there are MANY ways to put better "irons" on Dianas, mostly you need to decide what you want to do with them. From Match sights in heavy guns, to fast acquisition red-dots for chipmunks, you can do almost anything.
HTH
HM
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
Smallest rear peep in a 460:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img368/9995/smwgrsqt3.jpg)
Tanegashima style front post in a 460:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img224/7465/sm460filedfsbz1.jpg)
Firesights in a 430 Stutzen:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img15/4497/1000834av.jpg)
Williams FP TK AG in a 54:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img213/1276/smrearfptk.jpg)
Adapter block for American style cross-dovetailed front sights for a 54:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img718/6353/smwfsonramp.jpg)
Williams 5D on a 34:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9336/029oq.jpg)
Lyman 17A MH into a D54 front sight block:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img851/8693/1000829x.jpg)
Front Flat Muzzle Piece for a 54 (OEM) with FiberOptics:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img708/7442/truglofront.jpg)
Williams FP TK AG with twilight peep coupled with a flat base muzzle piece and Optic Fiber front dot:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img220/5736/ironsight542.jpg)
Same arrangement as seen through the peeps:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img696/8472/ironsight543.jpg)
Diana KornTunnel:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img62/5341/matchkorn20002.jpg)
Conversion of OEM rear sights into Peep sights:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/2733/m5MDIs.jpg)
Quick handling bergstutzen:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5536/mYglNd.jpg)
As you can see, there are MANY ways to put better "irons" on Dianas, mostly you need to decide what you want to do with them. From Match sights in heavy guns, to fast acquisition red-dots for chipmunks, you can do almost anything.
HTH
HM
I just have a factory 54 and would prefer to not remove the plastic muzzle part but would like to remove that huge front sight post and replace it with something slimmer and as for the rear sight, I don't need something super match quality but something that is easy to use, sturdy adjustments and that can be used for accurate target shooting as well as hunting. Like a front sight post in pics 3, 5 and 7 seems good. And #4 and 6 look right for a rear sight. Just don't want to ask the family for any type of sights. So which would you suggest for a 54 and not scare my old lady into holding her purse tighter than it already is, lol
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
I had a Williams FP-AG on my D34 for a long time, using the factory front sight. It worked out very well. I have it scoped now. I sure wish all air rifles came with sights like the ones that come standard on Weihrauchs.
Tight groups,
Bob
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
I had a Williams FP-AG on my D34 for a long time, using the factory front sight. It worked out very well. I have it scoped now. I sure wish all air rifles came with sights like the ones that come standard on Weihrauchs.
Tight groups,
Bob
Bob why did you choose that particular one?
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Bob why did you choose that particular one?
It's fairly inexpensive and engineered to fit the dovetail on an airgun. The "TK" version with target knobs is a bit more convenient to adjust, but less streamlined.
Tight groups,
Bob
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Bob why did you choose that particular one?
It's fairly inexpensive and engineered to fit the dovetail on an airgun. The "TK" version with target knobs is a bit more convenient to adjust, but less streamlined.
Tight groups,
Bob
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Bob, that's what I would prefer...target knobs. To heck with fiddling around with screw drivers and such. Where does one look into getting them?
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Bob, that's what I would prefer...target knobs. To heck with fiddling around with screw drivers and such. Where does one look into getting them?
Pyramid Air, Airguns of Arizona, Midway USA, Brownell's, Amazon, etc., etc. Williams model FP-AG-TK.
Tight groups,
Bob
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have a factory 54 and would prefer to not remove the plastic muzzle part but would like to remove that huge front sight post and replace it with something slimmer and as for the rear sight, I don't need something super match quality but something that is easy to use, sturdy adjustments and that can be used for accurate target shooting as well as hunting. Like a front sight post in pics 3, 5 and 7 seems good. And #4 and 6 look right for a rear sight. Just don't want to ask the family for any type of sights. So which would you suggest for a 54 and not scare my old lady into holding her purse tighter than it already is, lol
The Williams 5D is available from Pyramyd at a nickel under $35
A set of needle files will cost you around $4
Just file the thick post to whatever profile you want.
Or, if you really want to get fancy, the William's Firesight front is about $20 and you can turn any reasonably good triangular file into a dovetail file (2 safe sides) by sanding or grinding away two cutting (live) sides of the three.
For the week's budget of beers you can be fully decked out.
Just an idea.
HM
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I had a Mendoza copy of the Williams with a target peep on my Model 54 and it worked great since the 54's front sight is vertically adjustable.
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I had a Mendoza copy of the Williams with a target peep on my Model 54 and it worked great since the 54's front sight is vertically adjustable.
Is that the fp-ag-tk?
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I had a Mendoza copy of the Williams with a target peep on my Model 54 and it worked great since the 54's front sight is vertically adjustable.
Is that the fp-ag-tk?
Here you go...https://williamsgunsight.com/product-category/rifle-sights/air-rifle-sights/fp-receiver-peep-sights-air-rifles/
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I had a Mendoza copy of the Williams with a target peep on my Model 54 and it worked great since the 54's front sight is vertically adjustable.
Is that the fp-ag-tk?
Here you go...https://williamsgunsight.com/product-category/rifle-sights/air-rifle-sights/fp-receiver-peep-sights-air-rifles/
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Yogi, I don't see nothing
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Yes I guess they are having web trouble. Anyway that is the sight company. Do a google search and you will see what it looks like. FWIW-It looks just like my photo on an earlier post.
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1) the Chinese diopter from the English guy not to be named is on my D48. Good sight and I like the rubber eye cup. Can’t “lock” adjustments though.
2) on EBay I saw a big group of actual Diana diopter sights from somebody in Hungary or Czech or something. They were good prices too. That would be the best way to go as they have a “foot” with grooves that match the grooves in the top of the rail.
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Here's what my Diana 34 carries...
Williams FP-AG-TK
Works fine with factory front sight.
this is the same sight that lives on my 52 using standard front sight.
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Here's what my Diana 34 carries...
Williams FP-AG-TK
Works fine with factory front sight.
No issues with the height of the front post? The rear sight on my 34 now is at its highest level given my barrel droop. I'd want to make sure there is enough height adjustment on the peep sight.
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On my HW 50, no problems with the front globe at all! 10m zero is right in the middle of the adjustment range. :D
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
Not on any of the guns you mentioned, but this Williams sit on my HW 50.
Thats pretty nice set up yogi
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Have any of you put different open sights on your RWS 54's, 52's or 48's? If so, what kinds/types, how and what did you do and how is it working out for you?
I had a Williams FP-AG on my D34 for a long time, using the factory front sight. It worked out very well. I have it scoped now. I sure wish all air rifles came with sights like the ones that come standard on Weihrauchs.
Tight groups,
Bob
good to know desmobob
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have a factory 54 and would prefer to not remove the plastic muzzle part but would like to remove that huge front sight post and replace it with something slimmer and as for the rear sight, I don't need something super match quality but something that is easy to use, sturdy adjustments and that can be used for accurate target shooting as well as hunting. Like a front sight post in pics 3, 5 and 7 seems good. And #4 and 6 look right for a rear sight. Just don't want to ask the family for any type of sights. So which would you suggest for a 54 and not scare my old lady into holding her purse tighter than it already is, lol
The Williams 5D is available from Pyramyd at a nickel under $35
A set of needle files will cost you around $4
Just file the thick post to whatever profile you want.
Or, if you really want to get fancy, the William's Firesight front is about $20 and you can turn any reasonably good triangular file into a dovetail file (2 safe sides) by sanding or grinding away two cutting (live) sides of the three.
For the week's budget of beers you can be fully decked out.
Just an idea.
HM
I thought the 5D was for the sheridan pumpers?
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My impression of the choice between the 5D-AG and the FP-AG-TK follows.
The 5D-AG sight has no fine windage adjustment other than an additional set of screw holes to move the aperture.
The elevation adjustment screw stands high above the sight body and is sharp on the exposed end, which seems to me to be a hand snagging risk at some time.
Looks kinda crude and homemade to my eyes.
The FP-AG-TK has both fine windage and elevation adjustments, lockable with screws and no hazards to hands.
Twice the price of the 5D-AG, but worth it to me as it is not only easily adjusted but a lot more refined looking.
I use a scope on my 34 during summer, but switch to the peep sight for winter starling sniping.
Has to do with the visibility of my shooting area in different seasonal lighting conditions.
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My impression of the choice between the 5D-AG and the FP-AG-TK follows.
The 5D-AG sight has no fine windage adjustment other than an additional set of screw holes to move the aperture.
The elevation adjustment screw stands high above the sight body and is sharp on the exposed end, which seems to me to be a hand snagging risk at some time.
Looks kinda crude and homemade to my eyes.
The FP-AG-TK has both fine windage and elevation adjustments, lockable with screws and no hazards to hands.
Twice the price of the 5D-AG, but worth it to me as it is not only easily adjusted but a lot more refined looking.
I use a scope on my 34 during summer, but switch to the peep sight for winter starling sniping.
Has to do with the visibility of my shooting area in different seasonal lighting conditions.
That's the one I want brother.
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Here's a top-down view of the 5D-AG.
Only windage adjustment is to use the alternate screw holes, no fine adjustment to any degree.
Base that clamps to the dovetail looks to be the same as the FP-AG-TK...
I keep my 5D for spare parts, JIC...
Bought it used here on the forum.
I use a Williams WRT-54D on my Disco, but the Disco has a shorter front sight.
The 54D is at the bottom of its elevation range, but I don't know if it would adjust high enough on my Diana.
It would be a good hunting sight as it requires tools and hit-and-miss adjustments. Set it and forget it.
Maybe someone else on the forum has tried it.
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This seems to be a moving target.
From one of Jay's replies:
...as for the rear sight, I don't need something super match quality but something that is easy to use, sturdy adjustments and that can be used for accurate target shooting as well as hunting...
To answer a budget conscious shooter, the best is to use a budget conscious product.
The 5D is a good sight for what Jay SAYS he intends to use it: some target shooting and some hunting.
The long screw is NOT there as an "elevation screw" it is a LOCKING screw. And it is long because airguns have MANY variations that require a LOT of adjustability.
Once a 5D sight is set, the long screw gets filed off and only a REASONABLE amount of adjustability is left. Usually 3 mm's UP from a 23 to 25 yards zero is good. In any event, screws are cheap compared to sights.
The 5D presents a more streamlined profile than the TK of the FP model (important in a hunting tool). Much more chance to snag on things with the TK's than with the screw of the 5D.
There is a FP model with no TK's, and that presents the same profile of the 5D, but costs more.
The MOST streamlined and quick pick up of the Williams is the WGRS-54, it does require a low LOS, but since Jay was thinking of replacing/filing off the front sight of his 54, this could also be a perfectly adequate solution.
The full catalog of Williams Airgun sights is this:
https://williamsgunsight.com/product-category/rifle-sights/air-rifle-sights/ (https://williamsgunsight.com/product-category/rifle-sights/air-rifle-sights/)
There are 6 sights to choose from.
Now, truly the cheapest alternative that fulfills all of the OP requirements is simply to convert the open sight into a peep and install it at the rear of the scope rail.
A second hole needs to be drilled and tapped into the scope rail, but that is not extremely hard to do with hand tools.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/2733/m5MDIs.jpg)
The conversion itself depends on which model of rear sight Jay's gun has, but in some models it is as simple as cutting a peep out of steel shim stock and fitting it into the rear sight blade holder.
One thing I would NOT advocate is the use of old Match sights on a 54.
The gun will break them.
HTH
HM
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have a factory 54 and would prefer to not remove the plastic muzzle part but would like to remove that huge front sight post and replace it with something slimmer and as for the rear sight, I don't need something super match quality but something that is easy to use, sturdy adjustments and that can be used for accurate target shooting as well as hunting. Like a front sight post in pics 3, 5 and 7 seems good. And #4 and 6 look right for a rear sight. Just don't want to ask the family for any type of sights. So which would you suggest for a 54 and not scare my old lady into holding her purse tighter than it already is, lol
The Williams 5D is available from Pyramyd at a nickel under $35
A set of needle files will cost you around $4
Just file the thick post to whatever profile you want.
Or, if you really want to get fancy, the William's Firesight front is about $20 and you can turn any reasonably good triangular file into a dovetail file (2 safe sides) by sanding or grinding away two cutting (live) sides of the three.
For the week's budget of beers you can be fully decked out.
Just an idea.
HM
Hector can you explain how would/should I do it. With a triangular file please.
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Jay
I would start by getting a triangular file, something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-Triangular-Double-American-Pattern/dp/B004HW6AQ0/ref=sr_1_43?ie=UTF8&qid=1508366255&sr=8-43&keywords=triangular+file (https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-Triangular-Double-American-Pattern/dp/B004HW6AQ0/ref=sr_1_43?ie=UTF8&qid=1508366255&sr=8-43&keywords=triangular+file)
make sure that the file does not measure more than 0.290" at its widest point.
IDEALLY, we would be starting with a "Swiss Pattern File" that have parallel sides, but if you identify the sections of the file that are parallel, and you keep your filing to that section, you will be OK.
If the file is wider than 0.300" by a little bit, don't worry, you can grind it off.
Now you need access to a grinder because you are going to grind off ONE COMPLETE SIDE of the file. In this way you can achieve two important things:
1.- Make sure that what remains of the file is not wider than 0.300 and
2.- That one side will NOT CUT.
You can still use it to widen a slot using the non-cutting side as the bottom side and pushing a little to the sides when cutting.
Now you need to affix the front sight piece to a vise making sure that the grooves of the underside dovetail are horizontal.
Now, using a large, flat file, fiale off the post, making sure that you are filing parallel to the top of the post and maintaining a horizontal surface at the top. This surface needs to measure 0.341 (wide) X 0.750 (long)
Now you start the groove by locating the middle of the flat, and making a cut 0.080"deep.
With a pillar file you widen the groove to 0.290" the groove needs to be perfectly flat or the front sight will not sit vertical/perpendicular to the ground when installed.
Now you use your dovetail file and start widening the BOTTOM of the groove. You use the ground off side oriented towards the bottom and in that way the groove will not deepen. You continue widening the dovetail till the Williams FireSight fits in.
Go SLOWLY and test often, Williams makes the Firesights with the Dovetail 0.311" on one side and 0.302" on the other, clearly the sight has a "direction/way" to enter and exit the dovetail.
With patience and perseverance you can install front sights with just hand-tools.
Personally, I would suggest you do a "dry run" or two in pieces of scrap aluminum before tackling the real part.
I would suggest William's "Rifle Bead, 406M, part # 56444
Hope this answers your question.
HM
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Jay
I would start by getting a triangular file, something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-Triangular-Double-American-Pattern/dp/B004HW6AQ0/ref=sr_1_43?ie=UTF8&qid=1508366255&sr=8-43&keywords=triangular+file (https://www.amazon.com/Nicholson-Triangular-Double-American-Pattern/dp/B004HW6AQ0/ref=sr_1_43?ie=UTF8&qid=1508366255&sr=8-43&keywords=triangular+file)
make sure that the file does not measure more than 0.290" at its widest point.
IDEALLY, we would be starting with a "Swiss Pattern File" that have parallel sides, but if you identify the sections of the file that are parallel, and you keep your filing to that section, you will be OK.
If the file is wider than 0.300" by a little bit, don't worry, you can grind it off.
Now you need access to a grinder because you are going to grind off ONE COMPLETE SIDE of the file. In this way you can achieve two important things:
1.- Make sure that what remains of the file is not wider than 0.300 and
2.- That one side will NOT CUT.
You can still use it to widen a slot using the non-cutting side as the bottom side and pushing a little to the sides when cutting.
Now you need to affix the front sight piece to a vise making sure that the grooves of the underside dovetail are horizontal.
Now, using a large, flat file, fiale off the post, making sure that you are filing parallel to the top of the post and maintaining a horizontal surface at the top. This surface needs to measure 0.341 (wide) X 0.750 (long)
Now you start the groove by locating the middle of the flat, and making a cut 0.080"deep.
With a pillar file you widen the groove to 0.290" the groove needs to be perfectly flat or the front sight will not sit vertical/perpendicular to the ground when installed.
Now you use your dovetail file and start widening the BOTTOM of the groove. You use the ground off side oriented towards the bottom and in that way the groove will not deepen. You continue widening the dovetail till the Williams FireSight fits in.
Go SLOWLY and test often, Williams makes the Firesights with the Dovetail 0.311" on one side and 0.302" on the other, clearly the sight has a "direction/way" to enter and exit the dovetail.
With patience and perseverance you can install front sights with just hand-tools.
Personally, I would suggest you do a "dry run" or two in pieces of scrap aluminum before tackling the real part.
I would suggest William's "Rifle Bead, 406M, part # 56444
Hope this answers your question.
HM
I'm on it now Hector...thank you
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This seems to be a moving target.
From one of Jay's replies:
...as for the rear sight, I don't need something super match quality but something that is easy to use, sturdy adjustments and that can be used for accurate target shooting as well as hunting...
To answer a budget conscious shooter, the best is to use a budget conscious product.
The 5D is a good sight for what Jay SAYS he intends to use it: some target shooting and some hunting.
The long screw is NOT there as an "elevation screw" it is a LOCKING screw. And it is long because airguns have MANY variations that require a LOT of adjustability.
Once a 5D sight is set, the long screw gets filed off and only a REASONABLE amount of adjustability is left. Usually 3 mm's UP from a 23 to 25 yards zero is good. In any event, screws are cheap compared to sights.
The 5D presents a more streamlined profile than the TK of the FP model (important in a hunting tool). Much more chance to snag on things with the TK's than with the screw of the 5D.
There is a FP model with no TK's, and that presents the same profile of the 5D, but costs more.
The MOST streamlined and quick pick up of the Williams is the WGRS-54, it does require a low LOS, but since Jay was thinking of replacing/filing off the front sight of his 54, this could also be a perfectly adequate solution.
The full catalog of Williams Airgun sights is this:
https://williamsgunsight.com/product-category/rifle-sights/air-rifle-sights/ (https://williamsgunsight.com/product-category/rifle-sights/air-rifle-sights/)
There are 6 sights to choose from.
Now, truly the cheapest alternative that fulfills all of the OP requirements is simply to convert the open sight into a peep and install it at the rear of the scope rail.
A second hole needs to be drilled and tapped into the scope rail, but that is not extremely hard to do with hand tools.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/2733/m5MDIs.jpg)
The conversion itself depends on which model of rear sight Jay's gun has, but in some models it is as simple as cutting a peep out of steel shim stock and fitting it into the rear sight blade holder.
One thing I would NOT advocate is the use of old Match sights on a 54.
The gun will break them.
HTH
HM
My oem rear sight fell apart in me...the 2 very small ball bearings fell out and I am assuming from taking my rifle in and out the case, the knob which lowers and elevated the sight is gone.
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My oem rear sight fell apart in me...the 2 very small ball bearings fell out and I am assuming from taking my rifle in and out the case, the knob which lowers and elevated the sight is gone.
My elevation wheel/screw on the rear sight came off and I lost the bearings as well on my Diana 34. I called Umarex customer service and explained my dilemma and they are sending me two new bearings for free.
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My oem rear sight fell apart in me...the 2 very small ball bearings fell out and I am assuming from taking my rifle in and out the case, the knob which lowers and elevated the sight is gone.
My elevation wheel/screw on the rear sight came off and I lost the bearings as well on my Diana 34. I called Umarex customer service and explained my dilemma and they are sending me two new bearings for free.
Good to know...I'm on it now. TY
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GREAT!
I am glad UMAREX is acting on these things!
Keep us posted, Jay!
HM