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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Dbez1 on October 06, 2017, 03:22:03 PM
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I just read the following on another forum:
“I just received emails from Sportsman’s Guide and FEDEX telling me that the .177 cal. Umarex Gauntlet that I ordered last March, has been shipped today, and should arrive on Oct.10th! If true, then the dam has broken and I suspect that many of you will also start receiving your Gauntlets as well!”
Has anyone else been contacted?
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I saw that as well... however I saw a rep from Umarex post that they had difficulties and we're doing an upgrade to them which would make them much better and not to expect them for a few more weeks. And there post was on 10/5/17 so I have no idea how one got shipped yesterday but we'll see
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After months of delays, I became skeptical whenever I hear the draught is over...
Pre-ordered mine in March, missed this year's squirrel season entirely (good for them, I guess) and lost a lot of brand loyalty with Umarex.
I just hope they will compensate us somehow (free mags, pellets, a T-shirt? ::)).
I'm all about quality, but against setting expectations over and over and regularly missing them.
Still, will be home early on October 31st. One never knows... ;D
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I found this on another forum from JB at Umarex..... ;)
Friends, Airgunners, and those who await the Gauntlet;
We received our first shipment of Gauntlets from our manufacturing facility at the end of September, but upon a thorough quality check, we decided to improve a part that will ultimately elevate its performance. Unfortunately this causes a further delay as we await the receipt of replacement parts, which we will replace in our Fort Smith facility. The timing of this delay is specifically undetermined, except to say it will result in a few weeks. We are committed to shipping small allotments as they become available. Our re-selling partners will be the first to receive them as several have pre-sold orders on-hand. It will take some time to catch up to the demand and on behalf of our re-sellers I do ask for your patience. They are aware that you are anxious to receive the Gauntlet you ordered or are waiting to order and we trust that the retailer you chose will do their part to serve you as soon as they can.
I and we apologize for the extraordinary length of time to market of the Gauntlet. I am proud of our U.S. based design and quality teams in their efforts to strive for perfection. It is their resolve and that of our exceptional customer service team that is leading to an affordable pre-charged pneumatic that all who own will receive much enjoyment from.
Always shoot safe, engage your brain, and thank you for your patience.
~JB
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subbed to thread, I'm waiting to hear about a real person getting one
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That JB sounds like a professional liar.
Upgrade a working gun? More like fix a screw up.
Engaged your brains, jb is spin artist. Insulting
To listen to his drivel.
He should come clean and tell the truth not spin bs.
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That JB sounds like a professional liar.
Upgrade a working gun? More like fix a screw up.
Engaged your brains, jb is spin artist. Insulting
To listen to his drivel.
He should come clean and tell the truth not spin bs.
That JB sounds like a professional liar.
Upgrade a working gun? More like fix a screw up.
Engaged your brains, jb is spin artist. Insulting
To listen to his drivel.
He should come clean and tell the truth not spin bs.
Their mistake seems to be hyping interest way before the gun was ready for market. Now people are frustrated from waiting.
That said, I do consider it an upgrade when a manufacturer fixes a sub standard or defective part prior to shipment and at their cost. Sure, in a perfect world it wouldn't need any fixes. But perfection is rare and customers are pretty merciless about new guns with careless defects that are preventable.
R
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Personally I'd rather wait a few months for the new hotness on the cheap than have an easily preventable defect.
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Personally I'd rather wait a few months for the new hotness on the cheap than have an easily preventable defect.
You don't call fixing a defect an UPGRADE. That is spin.
"The guns came in and we realized they had no triggers. Rather than admit a major screw up lets tell the idiots that we are actually going to delay the gun for serious upgrades, that will appease them." The upgrade is actually a normal trigger than was left off the guns.
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Personally I'd rather wait a few months for the new hotness on the cheap than have an easily preventable defect.
You don't call fixing a defect an UPGRADE. That is spin.
"The guns came in and we realized they had no triggers. Rather than admit a major screw up lets tell the idiots that we are actually going to delay the gun for serious upgrades, that will appease them." The upgrade is actually a normal trigger than was left off the guns.
Huh? Are you saying that they were shipped, or some were sans trigger? I'm not following.
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I am a happy Umarex customer.
I have bought several Umarex guns.
I have been very happy with most of them.
The ones that I did not like were returned to Pyramyd Air or Walmart or Amazon.
I pre-ordered the Gauntlet from Pyramyd Air.
Pyramyd Air does not charge my credit card until items are shipped.
I will shoot the Gauntlet a lot in the 30 day return period that Pyramyd Air allows.
If the gun does not perform as expected I can return it to Pyramyd Air.
Gentlemen,
This is an excellent system.
Be happy.
Have fun.
Shoot safely.
Shoot a lot.
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Umarex just plain messed up. They should never have advertised the Gauntlet so heavy until it was ready for shipment. Letting the writers review the Gauntlet and produce videos and get everyone excited and then not having the gun released to the public does nothing for their PR. The Gauntlet is being shown now on American Airgunner TV, but no guns for the public.
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I am a happy Umarex customer.
I have bought several Umarex guns.
I have been very happy with most of them.
The ones that I did not like were returned to Pyramyd Air or Walmart or Amazon.
I pre-ordered the Gauntlet from Pyramyd Air.
Pyramyd Air does not charge my credit card until items are shipped.
I will shoot the Gauntlet a lot in the 30 day return period that Pyramyd Air allows.
If the gun does not perform as expected I can return it to Pyramyd Air.
Gentlemen,
This is an excellent system.
Be happy.
Have fun.
Shoot safely.
Shoot a lot.
This has been a pre recorded message.
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Umarex just plain messed up. They should never have advertised the Gauntlet so heavy until it was ready for shipment. Letting the writers review the Gauntlet and produce videos and get everyone excited and then not having the gun released to the public does nothing for their PR. The Gauntlet is being shown now on American Airgunner TV, but no guns for the public.
Yea the people I know that pre ordred are telling me they changed the dates 3 times in 3 days. They wait 2 days before the promised stock date then change the date. The cycle is repeated. I've never seen anything quite like it outside of airguns. Umerex certainly not impressing me. I'll pass on anything they make or sell.
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First world problem. So, a minor inconvenience at worst. It is a purely voluntary contract that the buyer can break at any time.
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I agree Jason. No one is holding them against their will. I'm not waiting for one but really your going to complain that there doing what they thought was a necessary upgrade before they were released? Think if only FX would have done that with the impact maybe they wouldn't have so many problems.
And no the trigger example wasn't true just made up. And oddly by someone who hadn't ordered one yet still seems mad???
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Personally I'd rather wait a few months for the new hotness on the cheap than have an easily preventable defect.
You don't call fixing a defect an UPGRADE. That is spin.
"The guns came in and we realized they had no triggers. Rather than admit a major screw up lets tell the idiots that we are actually going to delay the gun for serious upgrades, that will appease them." The upgrade is actually a normal trigger than was left off the guns.
WOW the guns had no trigger?no wonder they not shipping them,how can one shoot it with no trigger?are you kidding?
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I agree Jason. No one is holding them against their will. I'm not waiting for one but really your going to complain that there doing what they thought was a necessary upgrade before they were released? Think if only FX would have done that with the impact maybe they wouldn't have so many problems.
And no the trigger example wasn't true just made up. And oddly by someone who hadn't ordered one yet still seems mad???
They count on people like you to buy the spin. Its the deception that is the issue not the product.
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I agree Jason. No one is holding them against their will. I'm not waiting for one but really your going to complain that there doing what they thought was a necessary upgrade before they were released? Think if only FX would have done that with the impact maybe they wouldn't have so many problems.
And no the trigger example wasn't true just made up. And oddly by someone who hadn't ordered one yet still seems mad???
They count on people like you to buy the spin. Its the deception that is the issue not the product.
On me? Personally wouldn't want a Gauntlet ever not my style so don't get caught up on them "fooling me". I don't order anything until I know there ready to go. But believe what you'd like to think
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How many of you guys have ordered a barrel from a high end barrel mfgr or had a gun built by a high end gunsmith? Any ideas on what a real wait is?? My guess is that they told their vendors that they expect to produce XXX for inital sales of XX1/2 units and the suppliers , said, ok we will have XXX parts ready bu a certain date. Now they find out they have XXXX preorders, and they don't have the parts, and some of the outside suppliers can't produce XXXX parts. Companies go broke when they order XXXX units, because they "might" sell XXXX units, but most likely will sell XX1/2 units. I also think that with the margins on this gun, they don't have alot of room, to pay a different supplier, that knows they "have" to have said part, alot more than the original quote and still be profitable. They probably should have probably doubled the time for initial release, but if they did that, half of the people would say they are ripping them off, because their is no reason they can't do it faster.
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Meh, seen it in software, computer hardware, the automotive industry, movies and video media, and even in bicycles. Hype is just that: hype. Leading people along is part of sales marketing, and pushing back dates this many times tells me Umarex screwed up on something bigtime. Whether their parts infrastructure, a fundamental design flaw, or an accountant left off or perhaps added a zero.
Either way, the fact no official message on their website has come out tells me they are either embarrassed and/or hiding something. And since I already have a home-brew "Gauntlet" and have been mentioning how easy it is to make one for barely any more than the OEM price of the Gauntlet, I'm curious why others who are complaining about the pushback haven't built their own. And given how many other legit performers are available to the public for purchase in the $300-and-under price range, I wouldn't even bother waiting 6+ months (since April!) when I could buy any of those other fine PCPs.
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Nvreloader has been trying to do just that, mod a qb79 and unfortunately got two &^^& barrels in a row. Hopefully he gets it sorted but for a lot of guys doing that kind of work, recrowning barrels, modding valves and ports, to ever get up to velocity specs and accuracy of the gauntlet just isn't going to be practical. Not that I don't jive with you on making your own, that's what I love best about my airgun hobby, lol, modding is more than half the fun for me😊
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Why bother..I've no order in, and not likely to put an order in.
But the only thing I can see that would be worth it would be the multi-shot part of the gauntlet. Nothing else can't be done cheaper to a QB79 (or a gas block converted QB78).
If you "just gotta" have a repeater for cheap, await the Gauntlet....if you want a HPA powered QB, start with a QB 79 or a cut off QB78.
Adjustable stocks are easier...but have found that once adjusted, they tend to be untouched....so adjusting a non-adjusting stock maybe a little harder, but once it is adjusted to the right height, it also stays that way for years and years.
Am reminding of a "joke" my father used (from my grandfather..so call it 100years ago).....he'd wait until I was unexpecting the simple jest and say (paraphrasing for this situation):
" They aren't making QB 79's any longer."
If I fell for it....I'd ask, "Why?"
"Because they are long enough already."
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;D 8)
As far as a repeater for lower funds, there is the Urban. Wish it had come out a bit earlier. Have quite a bit of money in the Maximus with all the mods and BNM Breech, Huma Reg., and will be adding one of Travis's valves to it as well. Making it much more expensive than a Gauntlett.
Why? Why not an MRod, simply weight. Back injury. And the Gauntlet fails the weight test there as well. Can't find a justification in my case for it.
Now I just need a drop box and a bottle for it. In hind sight, an FX Streamline or Brock Bantam. would have probably been a MUCH better buy for me. ;D
Knife
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;D 8)
As far as a repeater for lower funds, there is the Urban. Wish it had come out a bit earlier. Have quite a bit of money in the Maximus with all the mods and BNM Breech, Huma Reg., and will be adding one of Travis's valves to it as well. Making it much more expensive than a Gauntlett.
Why? Why not an MRod, simply weight. Back injury. And the Gauntlet fails the weight test there as well. Can't find a justification in my case for it.
Now I just need a drop box and a bottle for it. In hind sight, an FX Streamline or Brock Bantam. would have probably been a MUCH better buy for me. ;D
Knife
Good points.
For a non-regulated lightweight repeaters under $300, there's 2 real choices: the Varmint/PR900 and the Gamo Urban/Chacal.
The Gauntlet isn't a lightweight, nor is it compact. It is regulated, but the thing is: we have no idea how the barrels will perform. NVReloader's experiences with @rcher and several bum barrels would have bothered me, but non-SPA Chinese barrels are unknowns. SPA has treated me right on both occasions. Given the pricepoint of "$300 or less for a PCP" with a known good barrel, I'd say the Gamo Urban cannot be beat thanks to the BSA barrel.
I hope all the folks waiting on those Gauntlets end up happy, but after waiting so long- in some cases 6+ months and climbing- it will be hard to justify so much anticipation for what may in fact be a very mediocre airgun.
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Knife, were you referring to a reverse drop block for your Maximus that you were thinking of going for? If so, since you are already regulated and I assume only using 2000psi, (maybe I'm wrong on that?), you could do like I did with my Qb78 and do a reverse 88g co2 cartridge with adapter. It's good for over 2000psi, 2200 is what I figured the safe working pressure, so you could give yourself another 130cc or 8ci and get a lot more shots. That's if I understood your drop box and bottle comment. ☺️
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;D 8)
As far as a repeater for lower funds, there is the Urban. Wish it had come out a bit earlier. Have quite a bit of money in the Maximus with all the mods and BNM Breech, Huma Reg., and will be adding one of Travis's valves to it as well. Making it much more expensive than a Gauntlett.
Why? Why not an MRod, simply weight. Back injury. And the Gauntlet fails the weight test there as well. Can't find a justification in my case for it.
Now I just need a drop box and a bottle for it. In hind sight, an FX Streamline or Brock Bantam. would have probably been a MUCH better buy for me. ;D
Knife
Hey Knife, when you’re done, you’ll probably have the best Maximus in existence. The only thing left to do to it would be to add a LW barrel. LOL that would probably cost more than you paid for the original gun.
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;D 8)
Have quite a bit of money in the Maximus with all the mods and BNM Breech, Huma Reg., and will be adding one of Travis's valves to it as well. Making it much more expensive than a Gauntlett.
Why? Why not an MRod, simply weight. Back injury. ... . In hind sight, an FX Streamline or Brock Bantam. would have probably been a MUCH better buy for me.
AOA says the Streamline is 5.8 lbs.
What weight do you figure your Maximus will be?
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Products like this always make good forum fodder….
I find the hysteria about the Gauntlet fascinating. Some shooters are beside themselves about the gun. Some in excitement and others in loathing.
The only reason I can determine the excitement is the price point. It doesn’t claim sub MOA at 200y, 500 shots per fill or even a 30 shot magazine.
So it’s got to be the value of the price point…… That’s all it can be.
But the repugnance surrounding Umarex as a result of delay of release. Wow… That’s the part I’m having trouble getting my head around.
It’s not just here. It’s everywhere.
And it’s not like they have your money and you don’t have the gun. Trust me; they want your money. But they also want you to be happy with your purchase. And you want that as well, right?
They don’t want or need to have 5000 of these things with issues and getting returns by the freight car load. (Remember the Gen 1 Marauder .22?? That stigma STILL lingers in the halls of the internet.)
(I tried to find the post I had read during the summer on a different forum without any luck insinuating Umarex’s Gauntlet is a ruse and a conspiracy theory. Seriously?? Troll…..)
Personally, I have a Gauntlet pre ordered from April of this year. It does not bother me the ETA changes. I have other guns to shoot. (For those of you who this will be your first PCP, be patient. We will all be much happier in the long run.)
My thoughts are, Umarex knew it was going to be a home run; everything and a bag of chips for under $300. But not in their wildest dreams did they think/plan for the sheer order volume it would produce. And as stated previously, there may be other underlying hiccups in production.
I’d also bet you dollars to donuts the dollar sales of the Gauntlet will eclipse the dollar sales of the FX Crown in 2017 and they are going to do it in less than 60 days. They absolutely, unequivocally, have to get this one right. (i.e. reason- see paragraph above)
But if I’m going to play my “You’re screwing up Umarex” card, I’d have to say they are really missing a huge, huge opportunity not packaging it with a re-badged hand pump and marketing it to the big box stores. Include a tin of pellets. Big banner plastered on the front of the box; “Everything in the box. Nothing else to buy!” and all of the other nonsensical air gun propaganda labels you find on packages these days.
I’m confident many who scorn the gun and Umarex will be closet Gauntlet owners. We will just have to wait and see.
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Think you are right....there will be a Gauntlet sooner or later. Anticipation is just driving some folks a little crazy.
Mag. fed repeater PCP's (from China) are certainly possible at sub $200....QB's are pretty tried and true (considering the Crosman 160...it's certainly a well known rugged design). Decently cheap 13ci regulated bottles that work...plastic stocks...etc.
Gets on the market, and I suspect it will become a standard. Few years down the road, and it will be a comparison -type rifle.....other rifles will have to be compared to it because of the price. Will likely think, "More good shots than a Gauntlet?" at some point in time.
It's just gone on too long...and usually BS is dispelled much sooner than this (Crosman's "turbo-pump" or regulated M-Rod both come to mind).
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I am a happy Umarex customer.
I have bought several Umarex guns.
I have been very happy with most of them.
The ones that I did not like were returned to Pyramyd Air or Walmart or Amazon.
I pre-ordered the Gauntlet from Pyramyd Air.
Pyramyd Air does not charge my credit card until items are shipped.
I will shoot the Gauntlet a lot in the 30 day return period that Pyramyd Air allows.
If the gun does not perform as expected I can return it to Pyramyd Air.
Gentlemen,
This is an excellent system.
Be happy.
Have fun.
Shoot safely.
Shoot a lot.
I beg to differ! If you order an out-of-stock item from Pyramidair and check out using paypal, you will be charged upon check-out! I know! It happened to me.
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I am a happy Umarex customer.
I have bought several Umarex guns.
I have been very happy with most of them.
The ones that I did not like were returned to Pyramyd Air or Walmart or Amazon.
I pre-ordered the Gauntlet from Pyramyd Air.
Pyramyd Air does not charge my credit card until items are shipped.
I will shoot the Gauntlet a lot in the 30 day return period that Pyramyd Air allows.
If the gun does not perform as expected I can return it to Pyramyd Air.
Gentlemen,
This is an excellent system.
Be happy.
Have fun.
Shoot safely.
Shoot a lot.
I beg to differ! If you order an out-of-stock item from Pyramidair and check out using paypal, you will be charged upon check-out! I know! It happened to me.
Correct !
.....When ordering a Pre-order item use the Credit Card and will not be charged, if you use PayPal you will be charged.
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But the repugnance surrounding Umarex as a result of delay of release. Wow… That’s the part I’m having trouble getting my head around.
It’s not just here. It’s everywhere.
And it’s not like they have your money and you don’t have the gun. Trust me; they want your money. But they also want you to be happy with your purchase. And you want that as well, right?
They don’t want or need to have 5000 of these things with issues and getting returns by the freight car load. (Remember the Gen 1 Marauder .22?? That stigma STILL lingers in the halls of the internet.)
(I tried to find the post I had read during the summer on a different forum without any luck insinuating Umarex’s Gauntlet is a ruse and a conspiracy theory. Seriously?? Troll…..)
Personally, I have a Gauntlet pre ordered from April of this year. It does not bother me the ETA changes. I have other guns to shoot. (For those of you who this will be your first PCP, be patient. We will all be much happier in the long run.)
Thank you for writing that, my thought on the matter are similar but I would not be able to articulate them so well :) :) .....Thanks
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Searching my uses/needs, there may be a Gauntlet in my distant future. Distant, because it will be a "right now" kind of buy, and even then, will retro-mod it to run on co2 (and a small sized tank...even if I have to put a co2 valve on a 13CI tank and call it a 5 ounce tank).
Yeah...an airgun nut...looking to make "X" into "Y" for not other reasons than it suits my personal use (or my "evil plan" if you are anti-gun).
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My beef with Umarex is the lack of courtesy to the buying public. Even cruddy software companies will make Official Statements saying, "Delayed because of Blah-Blah-Blah reason"... not this BS in-the-dark garbage of delay after delay without any comments. In other words, caring about customer sentiment is not the pinnacle of their business. And saying, 'Oh they wanted to get things right" is likely hogwash. More than likely, it is "We want to minimize the chance of litigation and minimize the return rate". The thing is, it would prevent me from buying an Umarex because affirms what i've experienced with shoddy customer service, not because they delayed it due to making it better/more reliable.
I have zero problem with delays. My own company (employee-owned software company) has made official statements saying, "We delayed the release because of such-n-such reason", but we actually give a rat's rear about our customers, not just sales.
I doubt I'll own one- I already have a "Gauntlet", IE: repeater-breech QB-79. Breech assembly even looks the same. externally, and cocks on open, and uses MRod magazines. Probably the same thing, in all actuality. At this point, my next PCP will likely be another single shot or perhaps an airgun a couple tiers up in value. Thus I just sit back, laugh a little, and enjoy watching people get dramatic about something they have no control over.
I'll add that Dave Cole has a point: bundle the dang thing with a pump, a tin of pellets, cheapo "shooting glasses", a cheapo Chinese 4X scope, and a spinner target, and sell it for $450 "MSRP" and on-sale for $400. Make it truly compete with the magic pricepoint on "First-World Impulse buys" meaning the XBOX or PlayStation with bundled games, then do the Crosman-trick of "Get your family outside" thing.
Here's another thought: with people lining up to blow a thousand bucks or more on the next Apple smart-phone, I wish I could get a subscription-plan for a scoped Mutant with pellets. Just pay $65 a month for 2 years and have a couple tins of pellets show up automagically per month. I'd much rather have the Taipan Plan over a silly AT&T or Verizon plan. 8) ::) ;) Yeah buddy!
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Interestingly enough... AirgunDepot has removed the Gauntlet from its website (spare mags still there). Reason? Your guess is good as mine. Decency? Perhaps.
I pre-ordered mine in March (and used PayPal, "dang"!). I agree with you guys that the gun better be awesome after all this tinkering (but wasn't it already, from all the YouTube early-access gurus?).
Who knows, maybe Umarex will look at itself one day in the mirror and think: "Naaw, I'd better add a couple of spare mags and a few boxes of pellets as freebies to all those suckers that fell with the pre-order trick. Maybe I'll get (part of) my reputation back". ;D ;D ;D
P.S. PA still has it available with a mid-Dec. ETA, Yeah, right...
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Interestingly enough... AirgunDepot has removed the Gauntlet from its website (spare mags still there). Reason? Your guess is good as mine. Decency? Perhaps.
I pre-ordered mine in March (and used PayPal, "dang"!). I agree with you guys that the gun better be awesome after all this tinkering (but wasn't it already, from all the YouTube early-access gurus?).
Who knows, maybe Umarex will look at itself one day in the mirror and think: "Naaw, I'd better add a couple of spare mags and a few boxes of pellets as freebies to all those suckers that fell with the pre-order trick. Maybe I'll get (part of) my reputation back". ;D ;D ;D
P.S. PA still has it available with a mid-Dec. ETA, Yeah, right...
The other Gauntlet thread has more info about what's going on. As far as magazines being available, they are MRod magazines. It's the exact same breech that was on my @rcher-repeater-breech QB-79, which used a Marauder magazine.
Over half a year; some folks now sitting at 8 months and still waiting. LOL.
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Thanks, Peter.
Yes, I visited different forums and got more educated on the issue. Did not want to leave the same comment in multiple places, that's all.
Your comment about the mags makes 100% sense.
Glad to see that eventually a couple of the biggest online retailers have stopped drinking Umarex's Kool-Aid and removed any reference to availability dates. Maybe now we'll get it sooner ;D, who knows?
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How many of you guys have ordered a barrel from a high end barrel mfgr or had a gun built by a high end gunsmith? Any ideas on what a real wait is?? My guess is that they told their vendors that they expect to produce XXX for inital sales of XX1/2 units and the suppliers , said, ok we will have XXX parts ready bu a certain date. Now they find out they have XXXX preorders, and they don't have the parts, and some of the outside suppliers can't produce XXXX parts. Companies go broke when they order XXXX units, because they "might" sell XXXX units, but most likely will sell XX1/2 units. I also think that with the margins on this gun, they don't have alot of room, to pay a different supplier, that knows they "have" to have said part, alot more than the original quote and still be profitable. They probably should have probably doubled the time for initial release, but if they did that, half of the people would say they are ripping them off, because their is no reason they can't do it faster.
Tending to agree with moorepower here. Similar things happen with various manufacturers. My Volquartsen 17WSM was ordered in January, scheduled for release the following summer, finally came out the following spring, so a bit over a year later. I knew they made good stuff, I wanted that particular rifle and I was just patient. On that rifle, they had an issue with the twist rate of the barrel and took the time to correct it with new barrels before shipping the rifles out. Currently in another waiting game for their Scorpion 22 mag pistol. Again, announced last December, I ordered it in February, it was tentatively going to be released this summer, and I just called the dealer to inquire when the next estimate is, I'm still waiting, patiently. It is something I want, it will arrive, eventually.
Joe
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Deerfly says he got his delivered. We would like to see it. Ask him about it.
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Similar things happen with various manufacturers. My Volquartsen 17WSM was ordered in January, scheduled for release the following summer, finally came out the following spring, so a bit over a year later. I knew they made good stuff, I wanted that particular rifle and I was just patient. On that rifle, they had an issue with the twist rate of the barrel and took the time to correct it with new barrels before shipping the rifles out. Currently in another waiting game for their Scorpion 22 mag pistol. Again, announced last December, I ordered it in February, it was tentatively going to be released this summer, and I just called the dealer to inquire when the next estimate is, I'm still waiting, patiently. It is something I want, it will arrive, eventually.
Joe
There's a bit of a difference between a high dollar powderburner with a rep for accuracy and what is basically a pre-existing airgun getting rebranded with a new plastic stock and a shroud. Somebody can build a Gauntlet using a repeater breech from @rcher (same exact breech that cocks on open and uses MRod mags). If Umarex is this late more than 6 months after the fact, it says a lot about their management. Don't matter if they are trying to fix things now- since that just shows they rushed it to market without either
A: knowing their parts pipeline
B: doing proper QA from the start
Folks don't mind waiting. What they don't like is being misfed information about "promised date" and then the manufacturer never being honest about what the hold-up is... Not even a "we f'ed up our design and are making it safer".
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And we probably shouldn't even begin to discuss the Umarex "Hammer" should we? :o
Both of which will be two of the most sought after, talked about, shrouded in mystery airguns as far back as I can remember.
If this was part of a marketing ploy by Umarex, it is one of the best executed since Apple's 1984 Super Bowl commercial for the McIntosh computer. (Some of you may not remember that one)
And if not..... well....... say it was. ;)
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Yep, despite all the problems in getting them to customers, with the accuracy guys are getting, this gun is still going to fly off the shelves when they ever get in stock. It'll drive the prices of quality PCP's down, no doubt, their won't be a choice if other manufacturers want to keep competing.
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Yep, despite all the problems in getting them to customers, with the accuracy guys are getting, this gun is still going to fly off the shelves when they ever get in stock. It'll drive the prices of quality PCP's down, no doubt, their won't be a choice if other manufacturers want to keep competing.
Some of the 'Quality' brands have such a loyal fan base that the Gauntlet will be poo pooed until it competes in organized competition against the likes of the FX Royales, RAWs, AirArms, etc.....................
IF, and I say IF, some of the Gauntlets show up at shoots and place respectably, then there will be notice paid. Until that happens they will be looked down the nose upon as a rifle for a Noob, or those less educated in AirGun accuracy.
The Marauder can hang with a lot of the high end target jobs, and they are still regarded much the same way, as a rifle to shoot until you get something worth while.
In some respects, we play a game with our wallets more so than anything else. In some instances, you can buy accuracy, but then again there are still fellas out there with lightly modded Marauders that will hand you your hat and show you the door, and they can do it for well under a Grand. There are bragging rights, and then there is the cachet of owning a rifle near or exceeding the 2K mark to overcome before the Gauntlet will start to eat into the bottom line of the high end manufacturers.