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Airguns by Make and Model => Artemis/SPA Airguns => Topic started by: skorec on October 05, 2017, 03:34:20 AM
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I think that M22 has good tuning potential but we need to have part diagram and part details.
http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/product/smk-artemis-m22-177-22-pre-charged-pcp-air-rifle/ (http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/product/smk-artemis-m22-177-22-pre-charged-pcp-air-rifle/)
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If you reach out to SPA through their website, Julie will provide you with the parts list and diagrams.
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Vow,
AlsoaAdjustable trigger, stable air pressure , regulated velocity and max pressure 25 MPA and low price . Gauntlet is obsolete.
But why only so low power ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e75r1sMhgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e75r1sMhgg)
http://www.china-airrifle.com/product/showproduct.php?lang=en&id=55 (http://www.china-airrifle.com/product/showproduct.php?lang=en&id=55)
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34fpe isn't too bad, they are saying 1000 fps with 15.4gr pellets. I'm sure heavier pellets would give you quite a few more fpe, and turning the regulator up will give you more ☺️
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Looks like a nice rifle...price on that UK web-site is surprisingly low (at least in that country). That works out to a conversion rate of about $236 US....but haven't a clue if they ship to the US or what kind of duty the US might put on it.
Going to guess that the regulator comes shipped at a moderate set point (like 1500psi). Power isn't bad, certainly fast enough with 16-18gr. pellets....which give me hope that the shot count quoted is actually the even velocity shots on-reg, not just all the shots you could have dribble out the barrel.
Do think the 5 pound quoted weight in the UK ad is wrong....no way it's going to run 5 pounds. The Chinese site's 3.7 Kg (or about 8.1 pounds) is likely right for the bare-rifle. Mounts/scopes. will bring that up to +9 pounds.
It's long....but not as long as the non-shrouded versions with a good LDC ends up being.
If you do get a diagram, post it...interrested to see the differences betwee it and the old single shot (M10).
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That is an amazing price! Even more amazing that is including the value added tax or vat, which is 20% in Great Britain, which foreigners are exempt from, so that brings the price down to less than $200 US!
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M22 has a titanium air tank. That alone makes this intriguing... information I shared.. what... Maybe 8 or 9 months ago? It's either available or was available from all the normal airgun supply-houses that export to the US, too.
Low energy level could be to appease the UK market. Still an FAC power level. At this pricepoint, I'd have zero qualms getting one as SPA has proven their guns to me a long time ago.
Hmm... I do need to increase the number of guns in my SPArsenal.
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Too bad they say they don't ship out of UK, because of high shipping costs. I wonder if they would change their mind? ☺️
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If you do get a diagram, post it...interrested to see the differences betwee it and the old single shot (M10).
Just now I am focused to my Monster/Puncher .177 project. Therefore I will not disturbs Juliie .
May be next year.
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Don't freak out...so far as I can tell from ads and real life, the old M10 single shot had the same Ti. air tube (and very likely the same tube diameter/length as the M22) and the same pressure rating. Just unregulated, single shot, a short shot count with a lot of energy, but the same Ti. air tube...without the reg. in place.
So I'm thinking that if you really wanted to, could adjust that regulate M22 to give 40 shots/40 foot pounds without serious issues/mods, and keep all 40 shots inside of 1.5=2% variation.
BUT...hey now....that's just supposition. Seems a reasonable/achievable goal form my playing around with an M10....which would put that .22 in the "asrse kicking" end of standard weight .22 pellet performance (something like 21gr. at 925fps) for tsomething like 36-40 small variation shots.
Yeah...makes me look towards that one becoming available in the US.
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Don't freak out...so far as I can tell from ads and real life, the old M10 single shot had the same Ti. air tube (and very likely the same tube diameter/length as the M22) and the same pressure rating. Just unregulated, single shot, a short shot count with a lot of energy, but the same Ti. air tube...without the reg. in place.
So I'm thinking that if you really wanted to, could adjust that regulate M22 to give 40 shots/40 foot pounds without serious issues/mods, and keep all 40 shots inside of 1.5=2% variation.
BUT...hey now....that's just supposition. Seems a reasonable/achievable goal form my playing around with an M10....which would put that .22 in the "asrse kicking" end of standard weight .22 pellet performance (something like 21gr. at 925fps) for tsomething like 36-40 small variation shots.
Yeah...makes me look towards that one becoming available in the US.
They are $420 before shipping from Krale, in .177, .22, and .25. I read somewhere that it was intended as a direct competitor to the Marauder. Could you imagine one of these in .25? ZING-POW! (https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/spa-m22.html)
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If it wasn't for the new SS valves coming out soon I'd be really tempted to get one of these but I'll be holding off for now. I'll probably wait til they're available from someone in the U.S.
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Do you know what is SPA meaning by regulated velocity 500-1000 FPS . Which way ?
Preloading of hammer spring ?
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My guess is an adjustable regulator, since SPA has already proven they can do an adjustable regulator, transfer, port, and hammer spring and still keep cost under $200.
If oyou can pick up one of these M22 rifles cheaply, Peter, I'd say go for it. You've had excellent results with some of your other guns.
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Yep their website says the m22 is regulated. Looks like the m22 is almost same gun as m11 except m11 isn't regulated and has supressor instead of a shroud.
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Don't freak out...so far as I can tell from ads and real life, the old M10 single shot had the same Ti. air tube...
Both of my M10s have aluminum tubes.
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My guess is an adjustable regulator, since SPA has already proven they can do an adjustable regulator, transfer, port, and hammer spring and still keep cost under $200.
If oyou can pick up one of these M22 rifles cheaply, Peter, I'd say go for it. You've had excellent results with some of your other guns.
I can not see any adjustable nipples just some added for trigger settings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M1yjTZLOFA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M1yjTZLOFA)
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No any interest on SPA Artemis M22 ?
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Looks like a great gun! I guess since the dominator /m16 is available in the US and the M22 isn't it sort pushes the interest to the M16, plus its lighter and has the cocking arm instead of the bolt, so that could be some more reasons.
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Too bad that shop in the UK won't ship outside Britain! That is a heck of a good price!
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Are there any perceived advantages of the M22 as compared to the M16 Dominator?
Knife
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- Longer barrel and barrel shroud 77cm with integrated suppressor ( M16 is 19cm ??? shorter )
- Adjustable velocity .
- Two stage adjustable trigger
- Lower prise £180.00
http://www.china-airrifle.com/product/product.php?lang=en&class2=56 (http://www.china-airrifle.com/product/product.php?lang=en&class2=56)
[url=http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/product/smk-artemis-m22-22-pre-charged-pcp-air-rifle/]http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/product/smk-artemis-m22-22-pre-charged-pcp-air-rifle/ (http://www.countrywaygunshop.co.uk/product/smk-artemis-m22-22-pre-charged-pcp-air-rifle/)[/url]
However Is it not easy to find out or to confirm all differences between M10,M11,M16,M20,M22
http://www.artemis-airgun.com/#details/series/showproduct.php?lang=en&id=86 (http://www.artemis-airgun.com/#details/series/showproduct.php?lang=en&id=86)
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And the M16 looks shorter! 8)
Knife
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Yes but for backyard use only the longer is better for sure.
Less noise, higher efficiency,...... and may be better accuracy with stiffened barrel.
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So far, What I have been able to dig up, the
M22/ 46" in length
7.71 lbs wt.
M16 Dominator/ 38" in length
6.61 lbs wt
This is of course from the Manufacturer. Not personally observed.
Knife
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The price under 300 USD for fully finished ( stable air pressure, adjusted power, fine trigger, good efficiency , less noise, good accuracy potential ...) PCP rifle is acceptable.
But I am waiting also for M30 prices.
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I like the toggle bolt. Always thought those were cool, whether on an AG or a K31.
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I like the toggle bolt. Always thought those were cool, whether on an AG or a K31.
Plus one on that!! ;D I love the straight pull action and would like to see it on more AG over a rotating bolt. (K31 my favorite milsurp).
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I have noticed that Artemis present 25 Mpa max filling air pressure but SPA or Onix Barrel present only 20 Mpa. Where is the true ?
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25 Mpa would be 250 Bar and 20Mpa would be 200 bar.
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I know but why is different .
Only Artemis use titanium tube ?
What have you written directly on air tube on yours SPA, Artemis guns ?
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Peter my SPA M16 has 25Mpa on it, my PP700SA has 22Mpa and my PR900W is 20Mpa.