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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Optics, Range estimation & related subjects => Topic started by: dmiller on September 18, 2017, 09:08:36 PM
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Recently I have narrowed my scope hunt to two scopes: the Hawke Panorama (3-9x50 AO IR) and the Athlon Talos (6-24x50 SF IR.) Does any one have a preference over the two? Considering the price equal, which of the two would you choose? I really like the Athlon because of the SF and 6-24 zoom, but am not overall sure about build quality. One question I have is, do you like the 10x1/2 mil dot, or BDC better? Do you use the marks on the left and right on the cross hairs enough to go with that over the up/ down of BDC on the reticle? Thanks! :D
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Recently I have narrowed my scope hunt to two scopes: the Hawke Panorama (3-9x50 AO IR) and the Athlon Talos (6-24x50 SF IR.) Does any one have a preference over the two? Considering the price equal, which of the two would you choose? I really like the Athlon because of the SF and 6-24 zoom, but am not overall sure about build quality. One question I have is, do you like the 10x1/2 mil dot, or BDC better? Do you use the marks on the left and right on the cross hairs enough to go with that over the up/ down of BDC on the reticle? Thanks! :D
I own several Hawke scopes, mainly the cheaper Vantage.
I have a Athlon Talos 4-16X40 ordered. Will be my first Athlon.
I really like side focus scopes.
When I get it in about a week, I can compare it to my Hawkes.
I never use the marks on left and right, but that's just me. Mainly shoot out to around 40 yards.
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Have had TWO Hawke 4-12x50 EV AO Panoramas for 3-4 years and LOVE THEM !!!
FOV is broad and there bright too ! * Both 1/2 mil dot reticles
If wanting a field hunting scope they come highly recommended with the only beef being ... if in heavy cover/ busy backgrounds there fine cross hair size can get lost requiring the illumination to be turned on.
Athilons .... looked threw a few, nice glass but a VERY narrow FOV and there ranging using SF is marginal at best with Hawkes ocular being more defined.
JMO,
Scott
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If they really are the same price, the Hawke is likely to be the better scope (in addition to having a lot of fans).
The reason is that AO is cheaper (and more rugged and precise) than side focus, and of course the power and power x (power x being the multiplier between lowest and highest power) are more expensive, complex, and potentially unreliable. Generally, to achieve higher power x, you have to move the objective further.
So unless you are set on having side focus or the higher power, you would seem by most measures to be getting more scope for your money with the Hawke.
Unless you find the mildot reticle distracting, it is more versatile. In some sense, marks on a reticle are marks on a reticle and are all equally useful assuming there are enough of them to correspond to holdovers you use.
BDC reticles tend to be calibrated for centerfire rifle caliber ballistics and offer only a few holdover marks (like for a .223 zeroed at 100 yards, marks for 200 and 300 yards).
The mil system has the marks corresponding to a real-world system: 1 unit in 1000 , that is 1 mildot is 1 inch at 1000 inches range, or 1 yard at 1000 yards, or 1 foot a 1000 feet, etc. BUT, you are better off actually shooting at the relevant ranges and noting the holdovers in mildots (or BDC hashes, or MOA hashes or what-have-you), than relying on a measurement system.
The horizontally extending marks are for windage, which is a very advanced, but useful technique in airgun shooting.
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If they really are the same price, the Hawke is likely to be the better scope (in addition to having a lot of fans).
The reason is that AO is cheaper (and more rugged and precise) than side focus, and of course the power and power x (power x being the multiplier between lowest and highest power) are more expensive, complex, and potentially unreliable. Generally, to achieve higher power x, you have to move the objective further.
So unless you are set on having side focus or the higher power, you would seem by most measures to be getting more scope for your money with the Hawke (meaning optical and mechanical quality, but whether the difference is sufficient to actually make a difference to you in ownership is another matter).
Unless you find the mildot reticle distracting, it is more versatile. In some sense, marks on a reticle are marks on a reticle and are all equally useful assuming there are enough of them to correspond to holdovers you use.
BDC reticles tend to be calibrated for centerfire rifle caliber ballistics and offer only a few holdover marks (like for a .223 zeroed at 100 yards, marks for 200 and 300 yards).
The mil system has the marks corresponding to a real-world system: 1 unit in 1000 , that is 1 mildot is 1 inch at 1000 inches range, or 1 yard at 1000 yards, or 1 foot a 1000 feet, etc. BUT, you are better off actually shooting at the relevant ranges and noting the holdovers in mildots (or BDC hashes, or MOA hashes or what-have-you), than relying on a measurement system.
The horizontally extending marks are for windage, which is a very advanced, but useful technique in airgun shooting.
Aw *(&^, I just edietd. Didn't mean to quote it.
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Thanks guys, I will probably be going with the Hawke then. Thanks again!
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I hope this isn't a pointless question, but I think I heard of someone putting a sidewheel on an AO scope. Is this of any value? I kinda like the look of sidewheels....thanks!
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I hope this isn't a pointless question, but I think I heard of someone putting a sidewheel on an AO scope. Is this of any value? I kinda like the look of sidewheels....thanks!
Not going to happen. The big sidewheels are not for looks, they are for rangefinding. If you needed one you would know it. I prefer the AO because there is less lash in the adjustment. The side focus is easier to adjust without breaking your shooting position as long as you shoot right handed.
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Thanks for the reply, Cliff.....I did not think they would be needed with an AO scope. Thanks
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Thank you all for your help in my scope decision buying process. I ended up getting a Hawke Panorama EV AO IR 3-9x50 scope new off eBay for around $70 off the list price. Very excited as this is my first scope purchase and am hoping to get much use out of it! Thanks again!
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I'm sure that will be a more than satisfactory purchase for a first scope. Let us know how you like it.
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I will do my best to! (: