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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: keithd on September 08, 2017, 08:28:09 AM
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Lets get her started :)
Now do I just order stock for my CP1M 177 or both stock and new setup in 22 or I could leave my CP1M alone and just pick up 22 setup
Decisions :o
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Yeah.... I ordered the stock and grip set for my CP-1. I don't know if you can order just the barrel upgrade kit without a new gun. I'll see if Mike is in a phone answering mood today and ask. Figured out what that weird wing nut on the bottom of the grip is. It holds the shoulder stock on. Some thought it was for a second C02 cart.
Mike did send me an e-mail last night telling me he got these on his site. In that he did mention that he had to make some sort of adaptor for the existing CP-1. Not sure what that's about.. I guess we'll see when the surprise delivery shows up.
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Yeah.... I ordered the stock and grip set for my CP-1. I don't know if you can order just the barrel upgrade kit without a new gun. I'll see if Mike is in a phone answering mood today and ask. Figured out what that weird wing nut on the bottom of the grip is. It holds the shoulder stock on. Some thought it was for a second C02 cart.
Mike did send me an e-mail last night telling me he got these on his site. In that he did mention that he had to make some sort of adaptor for the existing CP-1. Not sure what that's about.. I guess we'll see when the surprise delivery shows up.
Did you watch this video I posted on the other thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZr5JKGeHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZr5JKGeHU)
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It's like a kit gun for the price. I've already got the CP1-1M but the CP 2 really does come with a lot of neat stuff. I personally am not a big fan of co2 but the way co2 acts in a bigger caliber is much differentnt, if you had a .25 caliber barrel you could really make a nice little thumper with it but then you'd need to figure out the magazine ??? I honestly think that a person with a lathe could make a 3K worthy HiPAC for one of these guns. I haven't had either my Varmint or my CP1 apart but it would be neat if the valves were the same.
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I have a stock set on order. Will be interesting to see if Mike can get the longer barrel/LDC sets from SPA and what the price will be? If so, I'll make my own CP1/2-M kit!
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I have a stock set on order. Will be interesting to see if Mike can get the longer barrel/LDC sets from SPA and what the price will be? If so, I'll make my own CP1/2-M kit!
I would agree on that, that way you wouldn't have to buy another gun to get all the frills.
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I have a stock set on order. Will be interesting to see if Mike can get the longer barrel/LDC sets from SPA and what the price will be? If so, I'll make my own CP1/2-M kit!
I would agree on that, that way you wouldn't have to buy another gun to get all the frills.
Zactly.... I'm gonna call him today.
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Yep! This is what I'm looking for as well. I emailed him about it a couple of weeks ago already, never heard back from him yet. Either way I plan on getting a stock.
The valves are different Wayne, the cp1 anyway is missing an oring plus has the piercing parts on the front. Pretty easy to convert though. I just put a couple orings between the two halves like a qb78. It has been working well as a bulk fill co2 /hpa gun.
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Yep! This is what I'm looking for as well. I emailed him about it a couple of weeks ago already, never heard back from him yet. Either way I plan on getting a stock.
The valves are different Wayne, the cp1 anyway is missing an oring plus has the piercing parts on the front. Pretty easy to convert though. I just put a couple orings between the two halves like a qb78. It has been working well as a bulk fill co2 /hpa gun.
Really? Can you elaborate on this? Please?
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Yep! This is what I'm looking for as well. I emailed him about it a couple of weeks ago already, never heard back from him yet. Either way I plan on getting a stock.
The valves are different Wayne, the cp1 anyway is missing an oring plus has the piercing parts on the front. Pretty easy to convert though. I just put a couple orings between the two halves like a qb78. It has been working well as a bulk fill co2 /hpa gun.
Kinda what I figured but would still allow the valve to use HPA as well with a HiPAC type device. I should let Alex@HiPAC know about these guns, I know that he's barred from this forum and don't come here at all anymore. I'd be willing to bet that he already knows about them from the Yellow forum though.
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Yeah.... I ordered the stock and grip set for my CP-1. I don't know if you can order just the barrel upgrade kit without a new gun. I'll see if Mike is in a phone answering mood today and ask. Figured out what that weird wing nut on the bottom of the grip is. It holds the shoulder stock on. Some thought it was for a second C02 cart.
Mike did send me an e-mail last night telling me he got these on his site. In that he did mention that he had to make some sort of adaptor for the existing CP-1. Not sure what that's about.. I guess we'll see when the surprise delivery shows up.
Did you watch this video I posted on the other thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZr5JKGeHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZr5JKGeHU)
Ok I've got to get one of these.
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Yep! This is what I'm looking for as well. I emailed him about it a couple of weeks ago already, never heard back from him yet. Either way I plan on getting a stock.
The valves are different Wayne, the cp1 anyway is missing an oring plus has the piercing parts on the front. Pretty easy to convert though. I just put a couple orings between the two halves like a qb78. It has been working well as a bulk fill co2 /hpa gun.
Really? Can you elaborate on this? Please?
I did mine like the qb78 and slid it in from the back. I unthreaded the piercing pin assembly and then cut a notch in the front of the valve to use a long screwdriver to tighten it once inside the tube. Saves wrecking orings. I used a qb78 oring, and kept the valve oring as well that seals the two halves. I put another oring on the end cap. You have to drill and tap the end cap.
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Just talked to Mike. Can't get barrel separate.
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Just talked to Mike. Can't get barrel separate.
yeah figured.
Someone with a lathe could convert crosman barrels pretty easily, though these snowpeak barrels sound like accurate ones, would be nice to get one. Hey Bill you could buy another plinkster like you've been thinking and put your new CP2 stock on it. ☺️ it's got the same barrel anyway, then convert it to bulk fill or hpa. That's my plan, to use a plinkster tube.
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Yea, I had to pull the trigger on two of these. I have two little neighbor boys that will love these. I originally bought the Varmint for them, but I think these as CO2 guns will be easier to use. Great plinking little deal!!!
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Just talked to Mike. Can't get barrel separate.
yeah figured.
Someone with a lathe could convert crosman barrels pretty easily, though these snowpeak barrels sound like accurate ones, would be nice to get one. Hey Bill you could buy another plinkster like you've been thinking and put your new CP2 stock on it. ☺️ it's got the same barrel anyway, then convert it to bulk fill or hpa. That's my plan, to use a plinkster tube.
Just talked to Mike about that very thing. You don't even need to convert because they fit my Varmint also. ;) The funny thing is.... they bolt right on plinkster and varmint but an adaptor had to be made for the CP-1. OH, BTW... all the CP-2 kits and the CP-1 stock sets in stock are black... no camo.
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Yea, I had to pull the trigger on two of these. I have two little neighbor boys that will love these. I originally bought the Varmint for them, but I think these as CO2 guns will be easier to use. Great plinking little deal!!!
That's great! I'm sure they'll love these!
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Wait... just thought about something.... what about the gauge on the Varmint? Oh well, we shall see.
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Wait... just thought about something.... what about the gauge on the Varmint? Oh well, we shall see.
Hmm yeah might stick down a ways. Too bad no Camo stocks!
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One other little insight.... According to Mike, these are not the hollow shoulder stocks like we see with the "lego" guns. These are filled solid and do add weight and balance to the gun.
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Nice!
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Yeah, I was wondering if the fore grip would need to be drilled for the gauge or does it sit behind the gauge.
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Looks to me like it might need to be drilled out for it? Hopefully these pics will let us compare
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Yep, definitely need to drill it.
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Yep!
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I'm just not a fan of those skinny barrels hanging out in the wind like that. I added a barrel band to my Varmint. It was from an XS-60c. It fits snug on the tube but the barrel has maybe a 1/16 float inside of it. It's more for peace of mind for stomping through the woods for me.
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Good idea, what does Mike Mellick charge for those? How is he doing by the way?
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I had to do a bit of inletting on these to fit the cp1.
SPA said they wouldn't fit, and in fairness they didn't when I received them.
Will be putting one on the Plinkster and varmint next week and let you know how it goes.
Not expecting any big deal and the CNC cuts plastic like soap, so as long as they look decent I can get these listed soon.
The rifle trigger guard is another fitment, but a small curved sheet/strap may be in order.
These were listed at 29.95 and still are, but after leaving the post office this morning, I did have to add shipping cost to them. (8 bucks)
Will keep you guys posted on barrels/LDC options separate also.
A bit of finesse will be required, but I'm getting the hang of all that, so just give me some time and I'm sure we can get those over here too.
Next up, bulk fill.
Dual tube, or bottle ?
What are your thoughts ?
Gotta get back to it.
"Stay Tuned"
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I had to do a bit of inletting on these to fit the cp1.
SPA said they wouldn't fit, and in fairness they didn't when I received them.
Will be putting one on the Plinkster and varmint next week and let you know how it goes.
Not expecting any big deal and the CNC cuts plastic like soap, so as long as they look decent I can get these listed soon.
The rifle trigger guard is another fitment, but a small curved sheet/strap may be in order.
These were listed at 29.95 and still are, but after leaving the post office this morning, I did have to add shipping cost to them. (8 bucks)
Will keep you guys posted on barrels/LDC options separate also.
A bit of finesse will be required, but I'm getting the hang of all that, so just give me some time and I'm sure we can get those over here too.
Next up, bulk fill.
Dual tube, or bottle ?
What are your thoughts ?
Gotta get back to it.
"Stay Tuned"
Sounds great Mike! Barrels would be great and bulk fill end caps on a plinkster tube, or with a reverse bottle block for a regulated hpa bottle or cp1 tube and a forward bottle block would be great. Double tube with a regulator would be sweet too!
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Just the barrel, band and LDC would make me happy for now. And in my case, .177.
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Good idea, what does Mike Mellick charge for those? How is he doing by the way?
I haven't talked to him. I was kinda giving him space. Back when I was XS-60C Gen I tinkering I had bought a few to double band my guns. I think I paid just a couple bucks apiece for them. You know Mike, half the time he just throws stuff in a box and sends it to you.
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Yeah that's what I've heard, sounds like an amazing guy. I wish him all the best best, and a full recovery.
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Yeah that's what I've heard, sounds like an amazing guy. I wish him all the best best, and a full recovery.
I'll look around but I don't think I have another one. I do know I have one or two XS-60c barrels that could be turned to fit. And according to the fit of the barrel band.. it wouldn't take much.
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Yeah that'd be great, probably have to be turned down some though on the breech end like you say. Wish I had a lathe, I'd experiment with a crosman barrel. 2240 band might work with them or disco band, unless they would be too low and pull the barrel down.
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If I'm not mistaken I tried a 2240 band and it would not fit over the barrel or the tube? I think the tube. Or was it both? Heck... it just didn't work... lol
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Lol! Good to know.
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Maybe a disco band would work using a crosman barrel. Should be close to fitting the tube anyway.
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That depends.. if the 2240 band was too tight on the SPA barrel then the Crosman barrel ain't gonna work in the breech.... too thin.
All theoretical, of course.
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I've checked a crosman barrel with my CP-1M and it's bigger than the breech hole so would have to be turned down and oring grooves added etc but it will work.
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If you take your barrel off one of your snow peak guns you'll see what I mean, they're like qb78 or x60c, they are smaller where they enter the breech and have orings to seal them
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Yep, seen that in the video. Also had my Plinkster and Varmint apart. I just wish we could get barrels from SPA. Plug and Play baby.
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Yep, seen that in the video. Also had my Plinkster and Varmint apart. I just wish we could get barrels from SPA. Plug and Play baby.
Yep! Me two! Too bad they won't send barrels to individuals 😕
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At the end of the day, it's like I was telling Mike on the phone, I know I'm gonna end up finding a gun or two around the house that I can let go of to fund a CP-2 Carbine Kit.
Sooooo.... anyone need anything? lol
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At the end of the day, it's like I was telling Mike on the phone, I know I'm gonna end up finding a gun or two around the house that I can let go of to fund a CP-2 Carbine Kit.
Sooooo.... anyone need anything? lol
Trying to decide between a Gauntlet or a Hatsan AT 44 s/w 22 caliber. ;D
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Sorry, I don't have either..... NEXT ?!
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Here's a thought.
Crosman 2240
24" barrel cut to 18" - 20" and crowned
Shoulder stock
BNM repeater breech
Easy access parts and great CS.
How much?
Well, considering I have a spare barrel, a 2240 and a shoulder stock... all I need to do is deal with BNM (not a joy ride by any stretch) and not be able to share mags with my other SPA guns.
6 of one, half dozen of the other.
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Here's a thought.
Crosman 2240
24" barrel cut to 18" - 20" and crowned
Shoulder stock
BNM repeater breech
Easy access parts and great CS.
How much?
Well, considering I have a spare barrel, a 2240 and a shoulder stock... all I need to do is deal with BNM (not a joy ride by any stretch) and not be able to share mags with my other SPA guns.
6 of one, half dozen of the other.
Unless you get a great deal on the breech you're spending as much or more aren't you, than the CP2? Like you say though, parts and upgrades are readily available. You guys have much better prices as well in the US than we do here, on parts and crosman guns, so it might look more attractive on your end. Too bad Mike didn't get the camo stocks for the cp2, would make the choice even easier for me anyway!
Edit: sorry my bad, missed what you were saying that you already had those parts
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That stock and foregrip would turn the Varmint into a featherweight gun.
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I currently have the stock off my Plinkster refinishing it, I may see how well this fits that carbine stock!
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I currently have the stock off my Plinkster refinishing it, I may see how well this fits that carbine stock!
I'll be watching for your results with interest!
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yep, when I made my 25 cal crosman barrel for the plinkster, I think the actual breech block connection was 10mm or .394.. So , figuring a crosman barrel is .4375 , its only about .040 difference.. I do recall adding oring grooves , but I don't know if the transfer ports would line up since I used a NPxl barrel that had no TP>
this was a response to Bill and Wes in regards to crosman barrels in the breeches
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yep, when I made my 25 cal crosman barrel for the plinkster, I think the actual breech block connection was 10mm or .394.. So , figuring a crosman barrel is .4375 , its only about .040 difference.. I do recall adding oring grooves , but I don't know if the transfer ports would line up since I used a NPxl barrel that had no TP>
this was a response to Bill and Wes in regards to crosman barrels in the breeches
Thanks Rob that's great. Yeah the transfer ports don't line up unfortunately
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I see you live in Canada, if you wanna send a barrel for the machining , ill do it no charge.. I only ask that you or bill pay the shipping so I can send it back.. ( bill the offer is open to you also
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I have a spa barrel in my drawer , so id use that as a reference for doing the crosman barrel.. hopefully, the Tp wont take long..ID ship it back out the next day .. anyway , that's all I got,, ( shank on plink barrel is .391 by .760 L
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Geez that is great of you Rob!
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Heck yeah, that's awesome Rob. Let me get my hands on the stock set and see which direction I'm gonna go.
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sounds good.
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I put a CP-1M into a Plinkster stock. It required the stock (with shortened forend), a Plinkster trigger & guard, the small steel block that's attached to the bottom of the Plinkster's tube, and a longer mounting screw through the trigger guard. Pretty easy conversion. I had a pic of it on the Yellow Chinese forum (before refinishing the stock) but we all know what happened with Photobucket. :(
So I have absolutely no use for the CP-2. But I'll be ordering one anyway. ;D
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Replaced the thumb screw w/a cap screw (button head will replace it later). 15" LOP. The buttpad is a grippy rubber, the rest hard molded and solid except the grip has a hole up through the bottom. Hole's the size of a 12g cartridge as others have mentioned. No longer uses the rearmost grip retainer screw. The CP1 trigger guard is a tight fit to the CP2 grip so it wasn’t obvious at first, but the trigger guard screw bottoms out before it’s tight. I replaced it w/a shorter stainless button head but will swap it for a black one eventually.
CP-1M w/CP2 stock/grip set
(http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/4/48/CP-1M_W-CP2_STOCK_SET.jpg)
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Thanks for sharing how it fits! Looking good
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Yep, got mine too. I did try my plinkster in the CP2 stock, it does NOT fit! The CP1-M does fit quite nicely! But, we need the longer barrel! LOL!
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Yep, the longer barrel will be nice. Hopefully it's coming (along w/the barrel band and suppressor) but may have to wait until CP2 sales taper off.
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Yep, got mine too. I did try my plinkster in the CP2 stock, it does NOT fit! The CP1-M does fit quite nicely! But, we need the longer barrel! LOL!
Great you got yours Paul! Did you get a look at what the problem is with the plinkster not fitting? I'm wondering if you took the trigger and guard off your CP1 and took the whole plinkster assembly off and replaced with the cp1 if that would fit? That is what I planned on doing with the plinkster tube I ordered.
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Yep, got mine too. I did try my plinkster in the CP2 stock, it does NOT fit! The CP1-M does fit quite nicely! But, we need the longer barrel! LOL!
Great you got yours Paul! Did you get a look at what the problem is with the plinkster not fitting? I'm wondering if you took the trigger and guard off your CP1 and took the whole plinkster assembly off and replaced with the cp1 if that would fit? That is what I planned on doing with the plinkster tube I ordered.
I think the trigger assembly might fit, it's the metal block that the stock attaches to that causes it not to fit. That block looks like it comes off, but I don't know if the bolt holes line up. I was hoping it would be a simple drop in deal so I could use the plinkster while I was refinishing the stock.
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Yep, got mine too. I did try my plinkster in the CP2 stock, it does NOT fit! The CP1-M does fit quite nicely! But, we need the longer barrel! LOL!
Me want!
>sigh<
Some day. Oh yes, some day I will get one.
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I don't need a CO2 gun, but that little thing is so cool that eventually I will get me one,......pistol and carbine in one package,..Kool
My shoulder and elbow are so bad that I can't shoot bows anymore, I got so much archery stuff for sale that I'll be rich soon ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Gotta be fun for close quarter ratting.
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Manny my brother got into his recurve for years really hard core. He'd max out on his take every year for white tail. He hasn't done it for a long time. You do have a better climate there for shooting a co2 though. I have the CP1-M and mainly I bought it cause everyone else really thought they were a great gun. Heck I wouldn't doubt the bolt is interchangeable on my Varmint.
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Mine didn't show up... maybe tomorrow. Trying to work a deal on a barrel and band. If not, I'll make one.
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I just want one because all the cool kids have one. And I am a SPAddict, after all.
Hey, where are all you guys and gals going? Is that a cliff? Why's everybody jumping off? Hmm, I guess I should jump off too!