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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Dairyboy on July 22, 2017, 02:12:21 PM
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Here's my beauty's. Just love these guns and would like to give some details about these for anyone who is curious.
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The .25 sports a SUMO normally but I wanted to weigh the difference between the 2. As is with the .25 Standard with the 12x42 SWFA scope and SWFA Medium rings and SWFA bubble level it weighs in at 9lbs.
Here’s the Veteran Standard .25 shot string. As you can see about 40 shots on the reg at 45fpe. The reg is set at 150bar. When it comes off the reg it still has a decent bell curve. I decided to tune it to where it has very minimal curve after and bumped it up to 930fps and now only raises to 940fps and back down to 930fps in about 10 shots after falling off the reg. At 33yds it’s just as accurate as it was shooting at 860fps. Definitely excited to get this thing out hunting.
Created: 07-21-2017 05:52:39 PM
Description: .25 Veteran Standard
Notes 1: 250bar fill reg set at 150bar
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 3.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 25.390
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: 90 °F
BP: 30.00 inHG
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
54 889 44.56 22.57
53 899 45.57 22.83
52 903 45.98 22.93
51 910 46.69 23.10
50 914 47.11 23.21
49 924 48.14 23.46
48 923 48.04 23.43
47 921 47.83 23.38
46 923 48.04 23.43
45 925 48.25 23.49
44 926 48.35 23.51
43 927 48.45 23.54
42 922 47.93 23.41
41 915 47.21 23.23
40 911 46.80 23.13
39 910 46.69 23.10
38 908 46.49 23.05
37 898 45.47 22.80
36 906 46.28 23.00
35 906 46.28 23.00
34 899 45.57 22.83
33 896 45.27 22.75
32 897 45.37 22.77
31 897 45.37 22.77
30 898 45.47 22.80
29 898 45.47 22.80
28 897 45.37 22.77
27 901 45.77 22.88
26 902 45.88 22.90
25 895 45.17 22.72
24 900 45.67 22.85
23 896 45.27 22.75
22 896 45.27 22.75
21 899 45.57 22.83
20 899 45.57 22.83
19 896 45.27 22.75
18 890 44.66 22.60
17 897 45.37 22.77
16 901 45.77 22.88
15 897 45.37 22.77
14 897 45.37 22.77
13 895 45.17 22.72
12 895 45.17 22.72
11 894 45.07 22.70
10 897 45.37 22.77
9 904 46.08 22.95
8 904 46.08 22.95
7 893 44.97 22.67
6 893 44.97 22.67
5 894 45.07 22.70
4 891 44.76 22.62
3 900 45.67 22.85
2 891 44.76 22.62
1 899 45.57 22.83
Average: 902.93
StdDev: 10.48
Min: 889
Max: 927
Spread: 38
True MV: 903.23
Shots/sec: 0.14
Group Size (IN): 0.00
The .22 Shorty with the 10x42 SWFA scope and SWFA Medium rings and SWFA bubble level it weighs in at 8lbs.
The shot string for the Shorty. I get about 47 shots on the reg at this power on a 250bar fill and by shot 50 it drops to 880fps.
Created: 07-16-2017 10:01:33 AM
Description: Taipan Veteran .22 Shorty
Notes 1: 250bar fill reg set at 120bar
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 2.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 15.890
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: 69 °F
BP: 30.15 inHG
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
45 897 28.39 14.25
44 900 28.58 14.30
43 897 28.39 14.25
42 898 28.46 14.27
41 901 28.65 14.32
40 898 28.46 14.27
39 899 28.52 14.29
38 899 28.52 14.29
37 900 28.58 14.30
36 899 28.52 14.29
35 899 28.52 14.29
34 899 28.52 14.29
33 897 28.39 14.25
32 901 28.65 14.32
31 898 28.46 14.27
30 901 28.65 14.32
29 900 28.58 14.30
28 898 28.46 14.27
27 900 28.58 14.30
26 901 28.65 14.32
25 904 28.84 14.36
24 905 28.90 14.38
23 900 28.58 14.30
22 899 28.52 14.29
21 902 28.71 14.33
20 899 28.52 14.29
19 899 28.52 14.29
18 900 28.58 14.30
17 900 28.58 14.30
16 901 28.65 14.32
15 895 28.27 14.22
14 902 28.71 14.33
13 898 28.46 14.27
12 902 28.71 14.33
11 900 28.58 14.30
10 902 28.71 14.33
9 901 28.65 14.32
8 905 28.90 14.38
7 901 28.65 14.32
6 898 28.46 14.27
5 901 28.65 14.32
4 898 28.46 14.27
3 903 28.77 14.35
2 903 28.77 14.35
1 904 28.84 14.36
Average: 900.09
StdDev: 2.19
Min: 895
Max: 905
Spread: 10
True MV: 900.29
Shots/sec: 0.19
Group Size (IN): 0.00
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Dillon, you have some impressive guns and strings. What are the CCs? Also, start/ending pressures? Awesomeness ;D
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DB, are you going to adjust your fps ever? I've been holding of until I got my adjusters, just because. Finally I got mine and said goodbye to my low fps of 815 with 25.39 JSB's and upped it to 927 fps. And that puts my 33.95 JSB heavies at 827 fps. Not sure how often I'll be playing with fps but I love outfitting my guns with new toys.
I was also worried that the adjusters might hit my shoulder or alter my cheekweld, but happy to report they do neither. It's like they're not even there, until you need them.
(http://i.imgur.com/SJXzEDl.jpg)
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Thanks Keith! Honestly that's what I'm working on is trying to find out the cc's. Of I had to guess it's close to 150ccs or so for the Shorty and close to 250ccs for the Standard but I'm not sure and kinda just throwing out numbers right now based on the Mutants. These have a larger OD air tube so idk how much that changes the numbers. Oh and starting pressure is 250bar and ending for both is right around 120bar
Bill I actually just turned mine up to about the same right around 925-930 last night. Now when mine comes off the reg it barely rises in for which is what I wanted. Those adjusters from Donny look nice! If he did them in black or polished I'd maybe get some but I also like to set the tune and forget it lol
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Very helpful info, thanks.
Adjustable power is something that I need because I occasionally need to hunt with light non-lead pellets.
How exactly do you adjust power, and what is the range of adjustabiity? I'm most interested in the Shorty .22.
Thanks
R
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Just loosen the tightening nut on the side and twist in or out, just as you would with the factory tension screw, only no need to use those 2 pins or a set of snap ring pliers or needle nose pliers. If you want to constantly change power, you'd have to devise a way to make visual indicators, or you could even just count threads that stick out past the block. I played with mine just a little bit and got it where I want it.
I understand about the color choices but red worked for my setup and it matches my red opening tab on my scope cover.
(http://i.imgur.com/UO5gvtT.jpg)
I'm gonna have to do new shot strings now. I can't do anything though as the neighbors are having their roof re-shingled and there exist multiple prying eyes. They don't need to be seeing this beaut! And they don't need to see this airgun either. 8) ;)
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Newb here, Dairyboy I finally installed my SWFA 10X42 scope to my Veteran .25 Standard (remember PM?). I am going to fill for the first time, I know it says 250 bar max which is 3625 psi, but being my first time I might just fill to 3000, kind of nervous about it. I do have a question, what do you mean by Fill to 250bar and reg set at 150bar? I get the fill part, sorry if its a dumb question.
Thanks in advance
Ramg66
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Ramg66, I'm glad your getting yours all set up. What I mean by the reg set is at 150bar meaning it's set at that pressure and anything below it will fall off the reg. No question is a dumb question. Hope that helps.
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Ramg66, I'm glad your getting yours all set up. What I mean by the reg set is at 150bar meaning it's set at that pressure and anything below it will fall off the reg. No question is a dumb question. Hope that helps.
Dillon
Did you adjust the reg pressure on the standard? From my chrony numbers, it looks like mine is around 140 or slightly more.
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Ramg66, I'm glad your getting yours all set up. What I mean by the reg set is at 150bar meaning it's set at that pressure and anything below it will fall off the reg. No question is a dumb question. Hope that helps.
Dillon
Did you adjust the reg pressure on the standard? From my chrony numbers, it looks like mine is around 140 or slightly more.
Nope never adjusted my reg but maybe they come in that area and not exact? To test I had mine hooked to my Tiger shark to watch pressure drop on that big gauge rather than the small one on the gun. My personal .25 comes off the reg at 150bar while my .22 comes off the reg at 120bar.
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Ramg66, I'm glad your getting yours all set up. What I mean by the reg set is at 150bar meaning it's set at that pressure and anything below it will fall off the reg. No question is a dumb question. Hope that helps.
Dillon
Did you adjust the reg pressure on the standard? From my chrony numbers, it looks like mine is around 140 or slightly more.
Nope never adjusted my reg but maybe they come in that area and not exact? To test I had mine hooked to my Tiger shark to watch pressure drop on that big gauge rather than the small one on the gun. My personal .25 comes off the reg at 150bar while my .22 comes off the reg at 120bar.
Good info on the reg pressure, thanks.
My .22 Veteran short arrived about a week ago and I've put about 200 shots through it so far. It has fully lived up to the positive reviews. The accuracy and build quality are both exceptional. After about 50 shots, I adjusted the HS to drop power to about 25fpe to accommodate lighter lead free pellets. Adjusting power is very quick and easy. I also bought a Sumo to quiet it down for target shooting and it is now the quietest gut I own by a wide margin.
I'm still getting used to the bullpup design and need to reconfigure my shooting rest to work better with the Veteran.
It quickly became obvious that pumping this thing was going to get old very fast so I bought a 4500psi tank setup for filling. According to the PA fill calculator, I should get about 65 refills on a 4500 charge.
My last to-do is trying to figure out how/where to mount a sling. I know many don't use slings with bullpups, but even the short will get heavy after 3-4 hours of walking. Any input on sling setups is appreciated.
Thanks
R
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Ramg66, I'm glad your getting yours all set up. What I mean by the reg set is at 150bar meaning it's set at that pressure and anything below it will fall off the reg. No question is a dumb question. Hope that helps.
Dillon
Did you adjust the reg pressure on the standard? From my chrony numbers, it looks like mine is around 140 or slightly more.
Nope never adjusted my reg but maybe they come in that area and not exact? To test I had mine hooked to my Tiger shark to watch pressure drop on that big gauge rather than the small one on the gun. My personal .25 comes off the reg at 150bar while my .22 comes off the reg at 120bar.
Good info on the reg pressure, thanks.
My .22 Veteran short arrived about a week ago and I've put about 200 shots through it so far. It has fully lived up to the positive reviews. The accuracy and build quality are both exceptional. After about 50 shots, I adjusted the HS to drop power to about 25fpe to accommodate lighter lead free pellets. Adjusting power is very quick and easy. I also bought a Sumo to quiet it down for target shooting and it is now the quietest gut I own by a wide margin.
I'm still getting used to the bullpup design and need to reconfigure my shooting rest to work better with the Veteran.
It quickly became obvious that pumping this thing was going to get old very fast so I bought a 4500psi tank setup for filling. According to the PA fill calculator, I should get about 65 refills on a 4500 charge.
My last to-do is trying to figure out how/where to mount a sling. I know many don't use slings with bullpups, but even the short will get heavy after 3-4 hours of walking. Any input on sling setups is appreciated.
Thanks
R
I haven't put the sling on yet but I have put a single stud in the foregrip. My plan is to use a sling that I can wrap around the thin piece of wood behind the pistol grip and the single stud in front. I also use the single stud in front to mount a bipod.
If the original idea doesn't quite work out, I plan to get a simple single point sling.
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Question,
On the Taipan, can you get rid of that piece of wood that connects the Grip to the shoulder stock ?
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Question,
On the Taipan, can you get rid of that piece of wood that connects the Grip to the shoulder stock ?
Hmm good question. From what I can tell I would say yes
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Question,
On the Taipan, can you get rid of that piece of wood that connects the Grip to the shoulder stock ?
Probably so but thats where I carry it since I don't have a sling.
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Question,
On the Taipan, can you get rid of that piece of wood that connects the Grip to the shoulder stock ?
Hmm good question. From what I can tell I would say yes
Then I would get that piece off immediately, it's so much easier to carry bullpups with the grip free of the connection, and they look much better IMO :) :)