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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Wildcatter on July 14, 2017, 03:11:09 PM
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Pre ordered one of these in .22 and am hearing rumblings that these guns won't be available until October of this year. Has anyone heard anything about the release date? I keep hearing they're fixing some other little bug before production...
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Delivery went from May to July to August and now October. Ain't allowed bad lingo on this site, but if I were @%%&**()@@#! i have one pre-ordered too and been to waitin' a long time.
What makes it worse is that no one can come up with an answer as to what the delay really is. There is speculation, but nothing in stone.
I am not giving up, it is a test of endurance and patience.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/umarex-gauntlet-pcp-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=4311 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/umarex-gauntlet-pcp-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=4311)
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What my little mind is saying is that they have quite a few test ponies out in the field - I've seen them on quite a few different youtube channels, etc. I think these field mules are breaking down in a variety of ways and they're trying to correct these issues pre production. At least that's my hope. The more delays, the more I start to doubt the reality of a sub $300, regged and shrouded gun...
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You lay down money to order a gun that's not really in production yet? You HOPE they work out the bugs before they ship? That's taking quite a leap of faith.
I view the early buyers as the beta testers. You'll get to tell the company about the flaws. They'll fix your problems under warranty hopefully giving you a good gun for the next go 'round. In the meantime they know what will probably go wrong and can then integrate the fix into the production models.
You may like having the newest gun on the block. I'm a bit more conservative and prefer to let somebody else help the vendor work out the problems. No, I didn't purchase an injected Harley the first year they were in production, either. It's a good thing I didn't.
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I only paid $256 shipped to my house. If there are bugs in it, I know great people who would be able to suggest or in fact fix it. I don't have the worry you may have about having a first production run gun. Besides, being the first to own a new airgun on MY block isn't anything to brag about. If it just performs as promised, I will have made a good purchase.
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What my little mind is saying is that they have quite a few test ponies out in the field - I've seen them on quite a few different youtube channels, etc. I think these field mules are breaking down in a variety of ways and they're trying to correct these issues pre production. At least that's my hope. The more delays, the more I start to doubt the reality of a sub $300, regged and shrouded gun...
And yet the PP700 pistol offers exactly that- for under $200 prior to shipping (from Krale). For the money (and I've been saying this for months) nothing offers what the SPA PP700 can: regulated, adjustable trigger, very accurate, adjustable hammer spring tension, and adjustable transfer port.
The Gauntlet is clearly still in F&D phase: fix and develop.
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I only paid $256 shipped to my house. If there are bugs in it, I know great people who would be able to suggest or in fact fix it. I don't have the worry you may have about having a first production run gun. Besides, being the first to own a new airgun on MY block isn't anything to brag about. If it just performs as promised, I will have made a good purchase.
Ditto on the cost for me too and for that amount, I am willing to accept a degree of chance and I WILL be the first on my block to own a new airgun only because no one else has airguns. :D ;D
I sent an e-mail to Umerex asking about the delay, but do not expect a response.
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Well guess what kids, I did get a response from Umerex and here she be. I questioned if there were design problems in my original e-mail and nothing in the response about that was mentioned.
""The Gauntlet was announced at Shot Show this past February with a late spring expected delivery date. There have been supply chain issues pop up that have pushed the release back to late this summer.
From: Umarex USA [mailto:no-reply@wufoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 3:46 PM
To: service@umarexusa.com
Subject: Umarex USA Contact Us Form [#29424] ""
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Bump in order to see the Umerex response to my e-mail. See above.
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Well guess what kids, I did get a response from Umerex and here she be. I questioned if there were design problems in my original e-mail and nothing in the response about that was mentioned.
""The Gauntlet was announced at Shot Show this past February with a late spring expected delivery date. There have been supply chain issues pop up that have pushed the release back to late this summer.
From: Umarex USA [mailto:no-reply@wufoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 3:46 PM
To: service@umarexusa.com
Subject: Umarex USA Contact Us Form [#29424] ""
must have put them on a very slow sailboat from China ;) ;D
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Oh well. 3 months. It is what it is.
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I think people gave up on the Umarex Hammer a long time ago, that'll be one we'll probably never see.
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I couldn't wait, bought a Hatsan AT44S 10 QE in .25 from Field Supply for 299.99. If and when the gauntlet comes out I will have my brother get one for me. He gets a discount through Ruger where he works.
Phil
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Supply chain problem??? It might be the drop block..
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Another e-mail came in about the Gauntlet from Mark at Umerex.
"" To clarify,
Specifically the supplier for the tanks has put out order on the bottom of the pile. We simply couldn’t get the order from the tank manufacturer to the assembly factory.
The following is a response to my question about the 2 stage kit for the QB78 fitting the Gauntlet trigger.
As to the trigger assembly, I have not seen the schematic yet on this gun, so I do not know if the two would be compatible. I would also not be surprised if it was determined that the kit parts would work """
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Put Umarex at the bottom of the pile? This product could take off like wildfire; I'm guessing there just aren't that many cost effective quality HPA tank makers...dang...
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Put Umarex at the bottom of the pile? This product could take off like wildfire; I'm guessing there just aren't that many cost effective quality HPA tank makers...dang...
I noticed on the pics of the prototypes they were using Ninja bottles and regs on them.
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Got setup for a blind date with a girl named Gauntlet, she was late, no show, when I noticed a girl named HW110 waltz by. and the rest is history ;D. got a little BLUE elec pump that keeps her shooting all I want. That manual pump collects dust sitting in closet.Steppin up with some new glasses also for her,SWFT 10x 8)
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Do most of you still have your pre-orders in? I just ordered one in .177 last night! Only two weeks away!
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Do most of you still have your pre-orders in? I just ordered one in .177 last night! Only two weeks away!
I ordered through SG, the projected ship date is December 1st. After discounts, I only paid $206 and some change, so yes, I'm willing to keep my pre-order and wait it out!
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Yep, pre ordered a .22 about 3 weeks ago from PA. Still says in stock date is Oct 5. I believe the .177 is a bit later, Oct. 12 if I remember correctly. I am thinking it is possible finally. Fingers crossed!
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Do most of you still have your pre-orders in? I just ordered one in .177 last night! Only two weeks away!
I ordered through SG, the projected ship date is December 1st. After discounts, I only paid $206 and some change, so yes, I'm willing to keep my pre-order and wait it out!
That is one heck of a discount!
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Do most of you still have your pre-orders in? I just ordered one in .177 last night! Only two weeks away!
I ordered through SG, the projected ship date is December 1st. After discounts, I only paid $206 and some change, so yes, I'm willing to keep my pre-order and wait it out!
That is one heck of a discount!
Yep, couldn't pass it up. I got the .22 SG had listed for $242 and change (Member Price) with a 15% off code. I figure it'll be worth the wait at that price! Also, using their CC they don't charge till it ships!
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Put Umarex at the bottom of the pile? This product could take off like wildfire; I'm guessing there just aren't that many cost effective quality HPA tank makers...dang...
This is why you should avoid single source parts in your product, whenever possible. Having to rely on outside sources is it's own kind of quicksand. Trust me, this one time. :)
I get that Umarex isn't ready to produce their own tanks... and we have to wait for those who do. I'd love to know what it would cost to use Ninjas instead of whichever supplier has hung this all up (I'd love to know who they are).
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Build your own Gauntlet :D It won't cost too much more. Repeater breech, QB-79, and Ninja bottle... figure on ~ $330-ish but you get to actually hold it and shoot it, not experience vaporware-angst. Plus, unlike the Gauntlet, it will have a real wood stock :)
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I already got my .177 home-brew Gauntlet. MRod magazines, cock on open, Ninja bottle, wood stock, and very accurate. Even has a hushemupper.
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Certainly is fun making one, I agree! I don't have a qb79, just a 78d but would enjoy doing one of those as well. Mine is on HPA with reverse small tank. Nothing like the shot count of a 79 with 13ci tank though!
Meant to add those gauntlet sure are tempting though if they ever are in stock!
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Build your own Gauntlet :D It won't cost too much more. Repeater breech, QB-79, and Ninja bottle... figure on ~ $330-ish but you get to actually hold it and shoot it, not experience vaporware-angst. Plus, unlike the Gauntlet, it will have a real wood stock :)
I have shot one of those before, very nice gun, very nice. Its not regulated tho.
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Would be really nice if they came with an adjustable regulator rather than having to take the regulator apart to adjust like on the Ninja tank/regulator.
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Build your own Gauntlet :D It won't cost too much more. Repeater breech, QB-79, and Ninja bottle... figure on ~ $330-ish but you get to actually hold it and shoot it, not experience vaporware-angst. Plus, unlike the Gauntlet, it will have a real wood stock :)
I have shot one of those before, very nice gun, very nice. Its not regulated tho.
The Ninja bottle itself is regulated. And it is not hard to rebuild the regulator to either greater or lower pressure. Even a standard 850 PSI regulator will offer ~ 10 FPE, and the Ninja SHP V2 regulator set at 1100 can give you a really nice long shot-string before you start tuning. And of course, you can rebuild the Belleville washer stack for significantly more power if desired. Jason (NervousTrigger) and Bob (rsterne) both have impressive threads on these marvelous guns.
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Build your own Gauntlet :D It won't cost too much more. Repeater breech, QB-79, and Ninja bottle... figure on ~ $330-ish but you get to actually hold it and shoot it, not experience vaporware-angst. Plus, unlike the Gauntlet, it will have a real wood stock :)
I have shot one of those before, very nice gun, very nice. Its not regulated tho.
The Ninja bottle itself is regulated. And it is not hard to rebuild the regulator to either greater or lower pressure. Even a standard 850 PSI regulator will offer ~ 10 FPE, and the Ninja SHP V2 regulator set at 1100 can give you a really nice long shot-string before you start tuning. And of course, you can rebuild the Belleville washer stack for significantly more power if desired. Jason (NervousTrigger) and Bob (rsterne) both have impressive threads on these marvelous guns.
Thanks for the information, never knew the bottle had a regulator on it!
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Build your own Gauntlet :D It won't cost too much more. Repeater breech, QB-79, and Ninja bottle... figure on ~ $330-ish but you get to actually hold it and shoot it, not experience vaporware-angst. Plus, unlike the Gauntlet, it will have a real wood stock :)
I have shot one of those before, very nice gun, very nice. Its not regulated tho.
The Ninja bottle itself is regulated. And it is not hard to rebuild the regulator to either greater or lower pressure. Even a standard 850 PSI regulator will offer ~ 10 FPE, and the Ninja SHP V2 regulator set at 1100 can give you a really nice long shot-string before you start tuning. And of course, you can rebuild the Belleville washer stack for significantly more power if desired. Jason (NervousTrigger) and Bob (rsterne) both have impressive threads on these marvelous guns.
Thanks for the information, never knew the bottle had a regulator on it!
That's what makes the QB-series airguns such a treat. You can take one, slap on a Ninja 13 cubic-inch bottle and start shooting. Of course there's more to it, but that's the starting point.
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Build your own Gauntlet :D It won't cost too much more. Repeater breech, QB-79, and Ninja bottle... figure on ~ $330-ish but you get to actually hold it and shoot it, not experience vaporware-angst. Plus, unlike the Gauntlet, it will have a real wood stock :)
I have shot one of those before, very nice gun, very nice. Its not regulated tho.
The Ninja bottle itself is regulated. And it is not hard to rebuild the regulator to either greater or lower pressure. Even a standard 850 PSI regulator will offer ~ 10 FPE, and the Ninja SHP V2 regulator set at 1100 can give you a really nice long shot-string before you start tuning. And of course, you can rebuild the Belleville washer stack for significantly more power if desired. Jason (NervousTrigger) and Bob (rsterne) both have impressive threads on these marvelous guns.
Thanks for the information, never knew the bottle had a regulator on it!
That's what makes the QB-series airguns such a treat. You can take one, slap on a Ninja 13 cubic-inch bottle and start shooting. Of course there's more to it, but that's the starting point.
What velocities are you getting out of it with hpa.
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Well, they did it again! PA just changed the “in stock“ date from 10-5 to 10-26. Not PA’s fault I’m sure, but still frustrating. I’m going to hang in there though, it’s costing me nothing.
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What velocities are you getting out of it with hpa.
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Jason/Nervous Trigger was getting 34fpe with his 79 build here:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=85896.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=85896.0)
He had the regulator set to 1500psi.
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Well, they did it again! PA just changed the “in stock“ date from 10-5 to 10-26. Not PA’s fault I’m sure, but still frustrating. I’m going to hang in there though, it’s costing me nothing.
I got that knot in my gut when i read this, not sure if it will ever be out at this point.
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Brandon, my regulator is set for 800 psi, so strictly low power plinking. But with a different Belleville stack, there's the potential for much more oomph.
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Brandon, my regulator is set for 800 psi, so strictly low power plinking. But with a different Belleville stack, there's the potential for much more oomph.
Sounds like you can turn it into one powerful air rifle with the right tune. I know the one i shot was super accurate.
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Brandon, my regulator is set for 800 psi, so strictly low power plinking. But with a different Belleville stack, there's the potential for much more oomph.
Sounds like you can turn it into one powerful air rifle with the right tune. I know the one i shot was super accurate.
Indeed. For the money, they're a great platform. Barrels are relatively inexpensive; I have 3 in .177 now, and though they each favor different pellets, all three are very capable. MY main complaint with the QB platform- especially in my repeater breech- is they eat probe O-rings without some extra attention to detail on the leade.
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Regarding a tendency to eat the bolt probe O-ring, there are a few ways to improve things. Peter has already touched on some of it.
1. Smooth the leade and loading tray of the barrel. The machining is usually pretty rough from the factory. Polish it like a mirror if you want but just smoothing it with a regimen of 320 -> 400 wet/dry will go a long way without much effort.
2. Check the bolt for straightness. Lay it on a piece of glass and roll it, looking straight across the plane where it rests on the glass. Fairly easy to see if it isn't straight. Of if you have a big enough chuck in your drill press, load it in and see if the nose orbits when it's spinning. Often the body has a slight bend where the material was hogged out for the cocking pin. Usually the nose itself is straight where it meets the body.
Straightening can be done with simple tools. Hold it securely in a bench vise, clamping it just below the bend. Using a wood block to protect the bolt, strike it with a hammer to bend the bolt in the direction needed. It takes a pretty good strike to do it, start with light strikes and work your way up, checking it often on the glass.
This source of reduced O-ring life can easily go unnoticed due to the cock-on-close action. It's a lot easier to detect when converted to cock-on-open.
3. Use a durable O-ring. Polyurethane is best for abrasion and tear resistance, and you can go with the hardest available, 90 durometer. However good old Buna-N will last a long time if your prep work is decent so don't fret if you can't put your hands on a polyurethane. Buna-N does not stretch as well though so generally I would say go with 70 durometer instead. 90 may tear just trying to get it installed.
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Well, they did it again! PA just changed the “in stock“ date from 10-5 to 10-26. Not PA’s fault I’m sure, but still frustrating. I’m going to hang in there though, it’s costing me nothing.
PA shows a 10-6 in stock date for both .177 & .22.
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Well, they did it again! PA just changed the “in stock“ date from 10-5 to 10-26. Not PA’s fault I’m sure, but still frustrating. I’m going to hang in there though, it’s costing me nothing.
PA shows a 10-6 in stock date for both .177 & .22.
They changed it again so it is coming sooner? Now i am confused.
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Just checked too... Fingers crossed!
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Just checked too... Fingers crossed!
AGD says the same thing! O man i hope its true
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Do most of you still have your pre-orders in? I just ordered one in .177 last night! Only two weeks away!
I ordered through SG, the projected ship date is December 1st. After discounts, I only paid $206 and some change, so yes, I'm willing to keep my pre-order and wait it out!
That is one heck of a discount!
Yep, couldn't pass it up. I got the .22 SG had listed for $242 and change (Member Price) with a 15% off code. I figure it'll be worth the wait at that price! Also, using their CC they don't charge till it ships!
10/20/17 is your new ship date!
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AGD says the same thing! O man i hope its true
Me too! Did you order from PA?
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AGD says the same thing! O man i hope its true
Me too! Did you order from PA?
Yes i did indeed order from PA, i wonder if i will be in the first batch tho since i pre-ordered almost a week ago.
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AGD says the same thing! O man i hope its true
Me too! Did you order from PA?
Yes i did indeed order from PA, i wonder if i will be in the first batch tho since i pre-ordered almost a week ago.
I did as well, about a month ago...guess we will find out this week!
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AGD says the same thing! O man i hope its true
Me too! Did you order from PA?
Yes i did indeed order from PA, i wonder if i will be in the first batch tho since i pre-ordered almost a week ago.
I did as well, about a month ago...guess we will find out this week!
I cant wait, its like Christmas lol
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Well, I pre-ordered in mid June from AGD. Hope the 10-6 date holds, but I won't hold my breath. I'm only 77, so hope I get it before I die!
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Well, in the past 3 days, PA went from estimated in stock from 10-5 to 10-26, and now back to 10-6. Maybe the fact that they’ve gone backwards is a good sign. Sorry, just noticed this is old news now!
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Hopefully they will ship. Kinda chaps my backside AGD and PA didn't come out and state outright "We have no idea when we will get these" or perhaps "We're looking at a 4+ month delay on these" or even "Order now in time for Christmas!" Yeah, I didn't even order one, but I've had to listen to all of you (while I shot my repeater breech QB-79).
I wonder how many folks will never pre-order again?
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Hopefully they will ship. Kinda chaps my backside AGD and PA didn't come out and state outright "We have no idea when we will get these" or perhaps "We're looking at a 4+ month delay on these" or even "Order now in time for Christmas!" Yeah, I didn't even order one, but I've had to listen to all of you (while I shot my repeater breech QB-79).
I wonder how many folks will never pre-order again?
I wonder the same thing, i wonder if umarex will bite there tongue on release dates in the future?
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Exciting anyway that they moved the dates back up closer, especially since it's only couple days away! That means the shipment must be in the US and they have confirmation of it arriving. Will be great to see these in all your hands!
Unfortunately unless someone takes the baffles out of the shroud for us Canadians, we'll be out of luck getting any, with our crazy antisuppressor law on airguns. We can't even get a qb79 up here, no one sells them anymore in Canada that I can find, and the US dealers won't ship to Canada either.
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I'm almost willing to bet they are sitting in the air venturi warehouse waiting to ship. Umarex probably set a first ship date. The company I work for does this with new items all the time.
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I'm almost willing to bet they are sitting in the air venturi warehouse waiting to ship. Umarex probably set a first ship date. The company I work for does this with new items all the time.
makes sense , so no one gets the jump on competition
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Irritating...10-31-2017 at PA now.
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Irritating...10-31-2017 at PA now.
Saw that too, kinda bummed me out
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I'll wait til y'all get yours and they're available before I even ponder on the idea of getting one.
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LOL, maybe I should sell my repeater-breech wood-stock MRod magazine-using QB-79. So many folks chomping on the bit here. I wonder if I could incite a bidding war :P ::) ::) ::) ;D
Okay, on a more serious note- I feel for you guys. This is ridiculous, and had I been one of the folks that pre-ordered, I'd not only have cancelled, I would have pointedly put both Umarex and AGD/PA on the "will not purchase" list for a good little while. There's plenty of other guns and vendors to spend money on, and what smells like a sorta-QB-79-Ninja-bottle with the same repeater breech sold at @rcher with a plastic stock and a shroud is not worth this type of headache. Sure, it ain't the exact same, but this gun- as far as I call it- is vaporware. I've seen this dozens of times in software and even some hardware instances, and a few pre-release models given to The Chosen Few review sites are just creating more hype.
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Lets hope it isn't vaporware... Who knows what is really going on, although Umarex IMHO really should have released some kind of statement(s) along the way. The vendors are probably at the mercy of what the manufacturers tell them.
Anyway, was in touch with PA this am for something else and asked about the Gauntlet...
"We actually just got word from Umarex USA that we should have them here within the next couple weeks. We are very excited to be receiving this shipment (after many months of waiting!) and can't wait to get all the back orders filled. The date that is now listed on the website is correct, according to Umarex USA."
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watch crosman release the " gauntleto " in janaury at the shot show for 249.99
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Lets hope it isn't vaporware... Who knows what is really going on, although Umarex IMHO really should have released some kind of statement(s) along the way. The vendors are probably at the mercy of what the manufacturers tell them.
Anyway, was in touch with PA this am for something else and asked about the Gauntlet...
"We actually just got word from Umarex USA that we should have them here within the next couple weeks. We are very excited to be receiving this shipment (after many months of waiting!) and can't wait to get all the back orders filled. The date that is now listed on the website is correct, according to Umarex USA."
I wish one of them would tell us what is going on lol I just hope it isnt something that is wrong with the rifle.
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watch crosman release the " gauntleto " in janaury at the shot show for 249.99
Is it something evolutionary or revolutionary ?
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reactionary ;D
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Reactionary is probably the best response from Crosman.
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agreed , especially since they failed to bring the regged mrod to market last year
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I tell you there so many companies missing the target lately its shocking. Then we have overseas companies really taking leaps but not really making a high quality product it seems were stuck in some kind of in between zone. BUT I see 2018 as maybe that breakout year for new products and technology so maybe the big boys are just waiting for the 2018 season. JMHO
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Please, please, please get this rifle in the hands of this folks so they can stop whining :) :)
Look, you order a rifle before it's even in production and then complain about delivery timing ?......Neither the supplier nor the manufacturers are to blame,..look within ;)
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Amen, brother.
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Should I say I shot 7 tiny 10-shot groups and one tiny 7 shot group with my home-made "Gauntlet"?
I must admit I enjoyed holding that wood stock and sending the remaining .177 Barracudas into my trap this evening. The repeating action and MRod magazine worked in perfect harmony. I was tempted to swap back to my 10" barrel for some CPHP fun, but then I'd have to re-zero my scope.
Yup, sure was nice getting trigger-time in on my bottle-fed repeater-breech MRod-magazine-using wood-stock QB-79. 8) ;)
That reminds me, I need to order some more Barracudas.
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Please, please, please get this rifle in the hands of this folks so they can stop whining :) :)
Look, you order a rifle before it's even in production and then complain about delivery timing ?......Neither the supplier nor the manufacturers are to blame,..look within ;)
Yep, I drank the Kool-aid...or whine :)
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Please, please, please get this rifle in the hands of this folks so they can stop whining :) :)
Look, you order a rifle before it's even in production and then complain about delivery timing ?......Neither the supplier nor the manufacturers are to blame,..look within ;)
Yep, I drank the Kool-aid...or whine :)
How about "Yep I drank the Kool-Aid and now into Whine-ing" ;D
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I drank the kool-aid, but I'm willing to wait. As it stands, my last 4-Pay purchase will be paid by time this one hits, so timing is perfect! Also, SG has excellent Customer Service (Well, for those of us not in CA, IL or whatever other State they won't ship to), so if it turns out to be a dud, I can always return it! ;D
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My order is also from SG. I've had good results with their products and CS.
My shipdate is 12/1/17 but that's fine with me because it will be my Christmas gift from me to me.
Have two other PCP's, Disco & Chief, that I'm still getting to know.
Matt
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I ordered on 8-29, so only been whining a month. Have plenty of others to shoot in the meantime as well.
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Pre orderd 6/17/17 New date from PA 12/11/177.Cancelled order.
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Pre orderd 6/17/17 New date from PA 12/11/177.Cancelled order.
Did you pre-order the .177 or the .22? I hear some .177's are shipping from SG. I pre-ordered from SG and my current estimated ship date is 12/1/2017.
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Here is what I learned from a phone call to PA on Monday after receiving an email from them giving me an order number and a link to tracking information. The link gave me no shipping date but said to call. The gentleman on the phone said only the extra magazines had arrived and the Gauntlets were due to begin “tricking in” on 11/1. Nothing new there but the information about the mags must mean the guns are really going to happen at some point in time. The other thing he said was that PA had finally received their own prototype last Friday and many of their employees got to shoot it and turn in evaluations. The only negative comments they got was from a couple women that thought it was “a little heavy”. He said they were all impressed at how accurate it was at their 2o-25 yard range. I ordered in May and am about halfway down the list, so I’m expecting it’ll be a while before I have one in my hands but that’s ok. I’ve got other PCP’s to shoot and NO, they DON’T charge my credit card until it’s shipped. Now, you all will have to choose whether you think it was accurate information or just a sales pitch but for my part, the guy sounded very credible. And don’t tell me I’m “whining”! LOL