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I'm looking for a MDS NYLON hammer for a Gen 2 marauder in the 80gram arena? I can do 70gram but nothing less. It's for a project of mine. Who sells one beside W.A.R? Thanks in advance.
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Rocker1
Motorhead
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Not at that weight ... I was ONLY doing 20 / 26 gram for regulated .177 & .22 guns.
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I do as well but not that heavy. I do however make another type of hammer, which I call FIFH and it is metal construction but with four nylon tip set screws that ride in the air tube. They work equally as well as an MDS hammer but are much heavier. Mine come in around 74 g.
PM me if interested. You can check out my posts on the FIFH hammer in the This forum.
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I do as well but not that heavy. I do however make another type of hammer, which I call FIFH and it is metal construction but with four nylon tip set screws that ride in the air tube. They work equally as well as an MDS hammer but are much heavier. Mine come in around 74 g.
PM me if interested. You can check out my posts on the FIFH hammer in the This forum.
I do prefer the MDS Hammer. What's the heaviest you can make them?
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Not at that weight ... I was ONLY doing 20 / 26 gram for regulated .177 & .22 guns.
What's the heaviest you are able to make an MDS Hammer?
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Not at that weight ... I was ONLY doing 20 / 26 gram for regulated .177 & .22 guns.
What's the heaviest you are able to make an MDS Hammer?
As the architect of the MDS Marauder hammers .... Those weights specific to caliber / application is it.
Actually QUIT selling hammers to the self tuners well over a year ago, so got nothing to offer you.
Scott
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Not at that weight ... I was ONLY doing 20 / 26 gram for regulated .177 & .22 guns.
What's the heaviest you are able to make an MDS Hammer?
As the architect of the MDS Marauder hammers .... Those weights specific to caliber / application is it.
Actually QUIT selling hammers to the self tuners well over a year ago, so got nothing to offer you.
Scott
Ok. Thanks for your response sir.
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Way out of my league that heavy, kinda kills the purpose. Scott is the innovator of the mds hammers. David
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Way out of my league that heavy, kinda kills the purpose. Scott is the innovator of the mds hammers. David
Well....it doesn't "kill" the purpose for me. However, my purpose is to use a heavier hammer plus a lighter spring with the W.A.R tss for max fpe. I'm currently running it the opposite way at 79fpe for 7 shots with an extreme spread of 15fps just fine but would like softer cocking ability. In order to tame the violence so to speak. I've used several different kind of hammers but prefer the nylon best because of no gauling and no lubrication required. So, it doesn't "kill" the purpose in my case.
Peter
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Way out of my league that heavy, kinda kills the purpose. Scott is the innovator of the mds hammers. David
Well....it doesn't "kill" the purpose for me. However, my purpose is to use a heavier hammer plus a lighter spring with the W.A.R tss for max fpe. I'm currently running it the opposite way at 79fpe for 7 shots with an extreme spread of 15fps just fine but would like softer cocking ability. In order to tame the violence so to speak. I've used several different kind of hammers but prefer the nylon best because of no gauling and no lubrication required. So, it doesn't "kill" the purpose in my case.
Peter
I would look into the Nylon button version of stock hammer if I were you...would put you right at 80 grams dressed?? Pretty sure there is a guy who even makes that hammer I just can't recall his name. GL.
For 70-80 FPE I would recommend a hammer between 50-60 grams which WAR's I believe weighs right in between. JMO
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Way out of my league that heavy, kinda kills the purpose. Scott is the innovator of the mds hammers. David
Well....it doesn't "kill" the purpose for me. However, my purpose is to use a heavier hammer plus a lighter spring with the W.A.R tss for max fpe. I'm currently running it the opposite way at 79fpe for 7 shots with an extreme spread of 15fps just fine but would like softer cocking ability. In order to tame the violence so to speak. I've used several different kind of hammers but prefer the nylon best because of no gauling and no lubrication required. So, it doesn't "kill" the purpose in my case.
Peter
I would look into the Nylon button version of stock hammer if I were you...would put you right at 80 grams dressed?? Pretty sure there is a guy who even makes that hammer I just can't recall his name. GL.
For 70-80 FPE I would recommend a hammer between 50-60 grams which WAR's I believe weighs right in between. JMO
I did send that gentleman a message about the nylon button hammer. I also do have two W.A.R MDS hammers and currently running one but it's 57g and in order to make the power at 70-80 fpe, the tss spring does have to be pretty stiff(hard cocking). I'm currently at my goal for this particular build but am working on cocking force and efficiency at this power level. I can easily reach right exactly at 92+ fpe but tuning for 75fpe for 12 shots on a stock tube.
Peter
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Id switch to a balanced valve like Dons and go with standard MDS hammer. DONE!
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I can vouch for the F.I.F.H. hammer from SynRodSteve as I have used one. It slides very smooth and equals stock weight.
If for some unlikely reason that doesn't work out, another option is the F.A.M.E. mod which will also eliminate hammer galling, but it does require some modification to the breech.
DIY F.A.M.E. Build (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=110568.msg1055893#msg1055893)
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While I don't know if this will work for you, I have added a 1/4-28 bolt to MDS hammers for use as a spring guide, that replaces the striker, which does add some weight to the hammer. You can cut this so the striker impact is recessed and give you some additional throw, as well. Just a thought.
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Id switch to a balanced valve like Dons and go with standard MDS hammer. DONE!
Hey Travis,
Called you yesterday. I already have your W.A.R valve in this rifle. However, I will be building .257 with Dons valve in the near future. Regulated and bottled. I'm just wanting to finalize this particular rifle the best I have it currently set up.
Peter
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I can vouch for the F.I.F.H. hammer from SynRodSteve as I have used one. It slides very smooth and equals stock weight.
If for some unlikely reason that doesn't work out, another option is the F.A.M.E. mod which will also eliminate hammer galling, but it does require some modification to the breech.
DIY F.A.M.E. Build (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=110568.msg1055893#msg1055893)
Thanks. Just waiting on the makers response backfire that hammer.
My current setup is almost perfect for the power I'm making but if I could better the efficiency at the same power then that's a win in my book. I'm just wanting to tone the violence within the tube down to bare minimum without having to deal with extremely hard cocking force to make the power.
Peter
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While I don't know if this will work for you, I have added a 1/4-28 bolt to MDS hammers for use as a spring guide, that replaces the striker, which does add some weight to the hammer. You can cut this so the striker impact is recessed and give you some additional throw, as well. Just a thought.
I do currently run the striker recessed within the hammer for more throw. So, I have thought about that route but if I could get a heavier non gauling hammer, the cocking force would be lower and so would fill pressure at or very near to the same power. Definitely a big thank you for the idea though.
Peter
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While I don't know if this will work for you, I have added a 1/4-28 bolt to MDS hammers for use as a spring guide, that replaces the striker, which does add some weight to the hammer. You can cut this so the striker impact is recessed and give you some additional throw, as well. Just a thought.
I do currently run the striker recessed within the hammer for more throw. So, I have thought about that route but if I could get a heavier non gauling hammer, the cocking force would be lower and so would fill pressure at or very near to the same power. Definitely a big thank you for the idea though.
Peter
I think you said you are using a TSS, so this wouldn't work, but I run the guide back through a slightly modified HS adjuster and end cap. This keeps the hammer straight in the tube and reduces any galling. I have used two springs on this, but the inner one is only adjustable via shims. ie not as convenient as the TSS.
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While I don't know if this will work for you, I have added a 1/4-28 bolt to MDS hammers for use as a spring guide, that replaces the striker, which does add some weight to the hammer. You can cut this so the striker impact is recessed and give you some additional throw, as well. Just a thought.
I do currently run the striker recessed within the hammer for more throw. So, I have thought about that route but if I could get a heavier non gauling hammer, the cocking force would be lower and so would fill pressure at or very near to the same power. Definitely a big thank you for the idea though.
Peter
I think you said you are using a TSS, so this wouldn't work, but I run the guide back through a slightly modified HS adjuster and end cap. This keeps the hammer straight in the tube and reduces any galling. I have used two springs on this, but the inner one is only adjustable via shims. ie not as convenient as the TSS.
Well....it kinda does because I did use the factory striker with head removed and barely recessed within the hammer and the Allen key section does act as a spring guide. However, I do understand what your saying about what the bolt would better do for me. If that makes any sense. Lol.
Peter