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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => All Air Gun Accessories Gate => Topic started by: jusanothajoe on May 18, 2017, 08:17:41 PM
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Saw a post the other day and someone mentioned these rings.
Anybody else tried these rings ?
Should help with droop ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRAX5OLtJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRAX5OLtJE)
inserts sold separately >:(
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Saw a post the other day and someone mentioned these rings.
Anybody else tried these rings ?
Should help with droop ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRAX5OLtJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRAX5OLtJE)
inserts sold separately >:(
I know some airgunners use them and report great results. Does seem that they would be a good solution for misaligned airgun barrels and at about $50 for a set of rings plus a set of inserts.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-zee-signature-1-rifle-scope-mount-rings-for-weaver-style-bases.html?_iv_code=BR-RR-SIGNZee1In-420531 (http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-zee-signature-1-rifle-scope-mount-rings-for-weaver-style-bases.html?_iv_code=BR-RR-SIGNZee1In-420531)
http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-signature-pos-align-offset-insert-kits-individual-inserts.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-signature-pos-align-offset-insert-kits-individual-inserts.html)
It does appear however that if the airgun has a dovetail scope mount you'll also need a Weaver to dovetail adapter. I have this one mounted to my HW95 costing about $11 with free shipping but I modified it by cutting off the "extension"........
https://www.amazon.com/Alonefire-dovetail-picatinny-extension-Tactical/dp/B01B41YGE4?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01B41YGE4 (https://www.amazon.com/Alonefire-dovetail-picatinny-extension-Tactical/dp/B01B41YGE4?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01B41YGE4)
I'm currently using Weaver Quad Lock Rings with my adapter (only about $10) for scope mounting and then bending my barrel to put the poi close to the aim point at 30 yards......
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Scopes_Mounts/HawkeOnHW95.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Scopes_Mounts/HawkeOnHW95.jpg.html)
For about $50 for Zee Rings + inserts it does seem like a better solution than my "barrel bending" and I wish I had watched the "Zee Ring YouTube" years ago and my scope tubes probably wouldn't look like this after using 15 in/lbs torque on the top straps of two piece BKL "double strappers..........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Scopes_Mounts/PinchedScopeTube.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Scopes_Mounts/PinchedScopeTube.jpg.html)
LOL....$20 for the Weaver rings plus the dovetail to Weaver adapter is at least cheaper than the "Burris Zees" if I ignore the scope tube damage! ::)
As a side note, my Weavers didn't damage my scope tube using 15in/lbs torque on the top straps but I did bend the barrel to align the poi with poa!
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I've used them on several firearms and a couple of air rifles. Generally they work very well but I personally like the Sportsmatch windage and elevation adjustable rings better even though they are noticeably more expensive.
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Saw a post the other day and someone mentioned these rings.
Anybody else tried these rings ?
Should help with droop ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRAX5OLtJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRAX5OLtJE)
inserts sold separately >:(
I know some airgunners use them and report great results. Does seem that they would be a good solution for misaligned airgun barrels and at about $50 for a set of rings plus a set of inserts.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-zee-signature-1-rifle-scope-mount-rings-for-weaver-style-bases.html?_iv_code=BR-RR-SIGNZee1In-420531 (http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-zee-signature-1-rifle-scope-mount-rings-for-weaver-style-bases.html?_iv_code=BR-RR-SIGNZee1In-420531)
http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-signature-pos-align-offset-insert-kits-individual-inserts.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-signature-pos-align-offset-insert-kits-individual-inserts.html)
It does appear however that if the airgun has a dovetail scope mount you'll also need a Weaver to dovetail adapter. I have this one mounted to my HW95 costing about $11 with free shipping but I modified it by cutting off the "extension"........
https://www.amazon.com/Alonefire-dovetail-picatinny-extension-Tactical/dp/B01B41YGE4?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01B41YGE4 (https://www.amazon.com/Alonefire-dovetail-picatinny-extension-Tactical/dp/B01B41YGE4?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01B41YGE4)
I'm currently using Weaver Quad Lock Rings with my adapter (only about $10) for scope mounting and then bending my barrel to put the poi close to the aim point at 30 yards......
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Scopes_Mounts/HawkeOnHW95.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Scopes_Mounts/HawkeOnHW95.jpg.html)
For about $50 for Zee Rings + inserts it does seem like a better solution than my "barrel bending" and I wish I had watched the "Zee Ring YouTube" years ago and my scope tubes probably wouldn't look like this after using 15 in/lbs torque on the top straps of two piece BKL "double strappers..........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Scopes_Mounts/PinchedScopeTube.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Scopes_Mounts/PinchedScopeTube.jpg.html)
LOL....$20 for the Weaver rings plus the dovetail to Weaver adapter is at least cheaper than the "Burris Zees" if I ignore the scope tube damage! ::)
As a side note, my Weavers didn't damage my scope tube using 15in/lbs torque on the top straps but I did bend the barrel to align the poi with poa!
On the burris site they offer "Zee" rings for an 11mm dovetail.
http://www.burrisoptics.com/signature-rings (http://www.burrisoptics.com/signature-rings)
Finding a few on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-Rimfire-Mat-Med-1In-Rings-/291709201088?_trksid=p2349526.m2548.l4275 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-Rimfire-Mat-Med-1In-Rings-/291709201088?_trksid=p2349526.m2548.l4275)
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Humm.....I wonder how they would work on a recoiling springer since they don't SEEM to have a recoil pin!
http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings/rimfire-and-airgun-rings (http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings/rimfire-and-airgun-rings)
Here is a pic of my deformed R9 receiver stop pin HOLE after using a one piece mount with a stop pin and the base screws torqued to the recommended 35in/lbs...........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airgun%20Parts/DeformedScopeStopHoles1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Airgun%20Parts/DeformedScopeStopHoles1.jpg.html)
Think I'd rather stick with the long "4 base screw" adapter with stop pin because so far it hasn't moved. Also, with the Weaver mount it's real convenient to remove the scope and remount without a lot of hassle. The adapter also gives some added scope height so I can use a medium height Weaver mount with a 50mm objective lens.
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Humm.....I wonder how they would work on a recoiling springer since they don't SEEM to have a recoil pin!
http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings/rimfire-and-airgun-rings (http://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings/rimfire-and-airgun-rings)
Here is a pic of my deformed R9 receiver stop pin HOLE after using a one piece mount with a stop pin and the base screws torqued to the recommended 35in/lbs...........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airgun%20Parts/DeformedScopeStopHoles1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Airgun%20Parts/DeformedScopeStopHoles1.jpg.html)
Think I'd rather stick with the long "4 base screw" adapter with stop pin because so far it hasn't moved. Also, with the Weaver mount it's real convenient to remove the scope and remount without a lot of hassle. The adapter also gives some added scope height so I can use a medium height Weaver mount with a 50mm objective lens.
I didn't even think about the stop pin :o
Don't think I'm ready to quit using mounts with stop pins.
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If a given scope mount lacks a stop pin it shouldn't be difficult to drill and tap it to add one, or two, or even three.
One only need ensure the pin diameter is the same or slightly smaller than the stop holes on the receiver. If drilling multiple holes they MUST be spaced to match the receiver of the gun on which it'll be used.
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If a given scope mount lacks a stop pin it shouldn't be difficult to drill and tap it to add one, or two, or even three.
One only need ensure the pin diameter is the same or slightly smaller than the stop holes on the receiver. If drilling multiple holes they MUST be spaced to match the receiver of the gun on which it'll be used.
"same or slightly smaller than the stop holes on the receiver."
This size pin doesn't work with the HW95 or Beeman R9........"been there, tried that"!
The issue is that the "fixed claw" of the mount needs to "slide in to engage the receiver dovetail" and the "slightly smaller than the stop holes" stop pin won't engage the "stop pin hole" before the claw slided into place. I guess a solution to using a "slightly smaller than the stop holes" stop pin would be to perfectly align the stop pin with the hole in the receiver, lightly clamp the mount in place, then screw the stop pin through the mount base into the hole in the receiver, then finish torquing the base screws in place, then mount the scope. Another issue with this is that the scope will need to be removed before the scope mount after retracting the oversize stop pin.
A while back I was making "sacrificial inserts" for the HW stop pin holes. The insert was placed in the stop pin hole and then the "normal size stop pin" was inserted in the "insert hole" like this.............
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/1842014/1404474504_917523409_StopPinHoleSleeve.jpg) (http://www.snapagogo.com/photo.php?id=53098)Uploaded at Snapagogo.com (http://"http://www.snapagogo.com")
Anywhoo....what i started doing a while ago was to use the standard stop pin in addition to some metal grinding compound between the mount base and the receiver dovetail. A bit of squeeze out can be seem here between the scope mount base and the receiver dovetail groove...........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Scopes_Mounts/3_12x50HawkeAMXOnR9.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Scopes_Mounts/3_12x50HawkeAMXOnR9.jpg.html)
Here is what I used..........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Scopes_Mounts/GraeasMixedCompound.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/wved/media/Scopes_Mounts/GraeasMixedCompound.jpg.html)
One of the nice things about the gritty compound is that it's "grease based" so it forms some rust proofing at the receiver dovetail. LOL, obviously I don't slide the mount back and forth on the receiver after applying the compound, instead I only carefully apply it to the dovetails then carefully position the mound base in the compound, then torque the base screws to the proper torque. I haven't tested the "grit charged scope base" without a stop pin yet but judging by how little base screw torque id required to "lock the base in place" I really douby the need for a stop pin. Hummmm....think I may test the Weaver to dovetail adapter base with "grit" and out stop pin tonight!