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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => German AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Vickersguy on May 16, 2017, 07:48:53 PM
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My first post ! I have been thinking about the Walther LGU, it seems to be a high quality rifle and I'm ready to pull the trigger. Thank heavens for these forums ! Now I find it has been discontinued. This is fine if parts are available. I have heard that parts availability is in doubt. Two hours ago I was committed. Now I question if its a good idea to purchase this gun. Feedback from owners would be much appreciated. I really have to decide tonight or tomorrow on this. :-\
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I don't think they have been discontinued, yes their are part available for them, u may have to go outside the U.S. to get parts right now, my understanding is the demand for the Walther rifles is full out production! and factory parts are hard to come by right now, JM offers a spring for these rifles and I have see a few other places outside the U.S. that offer full tuning kits for these rifles! ;D :P
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Thank you for the tip, Mark. I went searching for tuning kits and found at least some sources for parts. This is reassuring. I think I'll get it after all.
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Thank you for the tip, Mark. I went searching for tuning kits and found at least some sources for parts. This is reassuring. I think I'll get it after all.
Yeah. The other parts: barrel, stock, trigger, etc. never wear out.
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Tom,
Who said that the LGU is discontinued?
Pyramyd Air is still selling them. Umarex USA still has them on their website.
Just curious.
Leo
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This rifle qualifies for 20% off at pyramid. Knocks price down to $455 with free shipping.
Sale ends tonight. I would make my mind up quick !!
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It seems there is some disagreement about the discontinued status of this rifle. There is a thread here discussing the issue. I checked the German Walthers site and I cannot find the LGU in current products offered by Walther. There are some folks that claim to have contacts with the importers who say their contacts have verified that the LGU and LGV models will no longer be sold and are discontinued.
I have no inside information and am totally new to air rifles. This is in fact my first air rifle since I was 14. ( 63 now, lol ). I am an avid reader and cover several hundred page views a day and I didn't bookmark those threads. I checked around and found several people who were doing tuning of the LGU and was encouraged enough, through their descriptions of the rifles innards, to think that I will be able to keep this LGU running even without factory support. I really appreciate the support and attention you have given my post here. I thank you all for responding !!!
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I was told via email back on March 8 by a Umarex person that it was being discontinued. It was not clarified if that meant Walther production or Umarex USA import of the rifle.
I really like mine. But am currently in a savage PCP darkside bender and not shooting my springers.
Life is short. Get it with the 20% off and some JSB 13 grain pellets (or 14 or 15 grain as it shot them all well).
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Part of the confusion, I think, is that Walther is not Umarex and vice versa. Legally they are one, as Umarex owns Walther. But there are clearly products branded Walther that the firearms company has little or nothing to do with.
It's bizarre: the Carl Walther Waffenfabrik site has the LP400 and Hammerli AP20 pistols and the LG450 and LG1250 and the Hammerli AR20 rifles. Not a single springer, and that is nothing new. They have never listed the Parrus, Terrus, LGV, LGU etc. etc.
The Walther USA site shows no airguns at all.
Then there are the Umarex USA and Umarex worldwide sites, which seem to have all the Walther guns, and the Hammerlis, and a bunch of others.
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Just buy a HW97 from Krale for cheaper and no worries and IMHO a better rifle.
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It is indeed confusing. The only airguns I could find on the Walther site were high end match grade PCP rifles so I dropped them a note. I learned from Walther that the Walther airguns we hear about (LGU, LGV, Parrus, Terrus) are not made by Walther but by Umarex. If you access the Umarex site in Germany you will find the many brand names under which Umarex sells airguns. Going under the Walther listing you will find the familiar ones and perhaps one or two with which you are unfamiliar.
http://www.umarex.com/products/airguns/brands/walther.html (http://www.umarex.com/products/airguns/brands/walther.html)
Knowing what I know now, if I was shopping for the LGU I'd probably be looking real hard at the HW97 at Krale or a Diana 460.
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Not sure if you are set on a LGU or would consider a LGV as well. They are the same gun as far as internals go with the difference being that the LGU is a fixed barrel under lever and the LGV is a break barrel with a secure lockup latch. I have a LGV competition ultra that is no longer offered in the ultra stock and it is by far more accurate than I am with being capable of 3/8" groups at 35 yards all day long.
The reason I ask about the LGV is there is one in the classifieds right now for 400 bucks shipped that is in the Master pro stock that has a high comb with an adjustable but pad that replaced the competition ultra in Europe that if I did not already have one I would jump on the one in the classifieds.
Just a FYI and my two cents.
Mike
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My 2 cents worth-I have a nice HW97 KTS that is a beautiful rifle and a nice Diana 460 as well as both an LGU and an LGV. I like the Diana for it's power and it's accuracy is very good. My HW97 is not nearly as accurate as either Walther that I own and it is obviously not in the same league as the Diana for power. Both Walther's are powerful enough for any .177 use and both provide one ragged hole accuracy with most any pellet used and for any shooting position. If I were buying another it would be one of the Walther's without question with the Diana a close second especially if one needs more energy.
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I thank you all for your input. Originally I was going to purchase the Xisico XS-46U. Flying Dragon makes a good argument for a MM tuned entry level rifle. Though I am an experienced gunsmith, have the tools and and mechanical backround to do repairs and modifications, the more I thought about it, the less sense it made to get something other than a top shelf rifle. Though there may be some debate about which rifle is best, it is a fact that the Walther LGU is no Big Box Store shelf rifle. Quality is it's own justification, it seems to me. If this airgun forum is anything like the shooting sports forums I've participated in before, there will be plenty of networking and information the members will share freely. I do not fear this gun being discontinued or falling into an information black hole. Partnering up with the folks here will enlighten me and really make the air rifle hobby a great experience. To address 39M, I don't have a problem dropping a .22 barrel blank into my lathe and making a new one. I'm totally going to enjoy this.
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My LGU is a great rifle, my LGV is even better. It gets the most action. And it's so pretty! :-*
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Welcome Tom! :D
Walther would be an excellent choice. Consider HW's as well. I find side lever cocker and under lever cocker to be an unnatural act. A crime against humanity! Never got the hang of it. Break Barrels are natural and intuitive, to each their own... :-*
Also consider an Air Arms, Diana 48, HW 77 or 97, then buy your LGU... :-*
Tom, I don't know your shooting background, but shooting springers at 50 yards I find more challenging than shooting my buddy's AR at 300 yards. ;)
Check out "the artillery hold". Good luck and welcome,
Yogi
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I have 2 LGVs and 2 HW98s. I find that once the HW products have some ammo through them, they are as accurate as the Walthers. Umarex product cycles are pitifully short, even for a good product. I bought my Walthers first. Had I bought the Weihrauch products first I would have not bought the Umarex guns. JMHO.
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The LGU will not disappoint you. I have both the LGU and the HW97 and consider them equal.
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If you are not set on the LGU, you really owe it to yourself to check the HW97 and 77 at Krale. The 97 is right around $385 to your door. Best bargain in higher-end airguns there is, imo.
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Well, I got the LGU. In retrospect, the HW97 or 77 would have been 18% cheaper. I suspect they both are the equal of the LGU. I am happy with the gun, though I have big cheek bones and the comb is a little high for my face. That means high rings which I didn't want, but hey... I lined up two piston seals and four breech "o" rings for spares. From a brief inspection, the gun looks simple and well made. No cheesy stuff that I can find. It''s really heavy, just like I was told it would be. The twang/harmonic vibration is more than I expected... I'm looking forward to taming the "twang" and learning to shoot a springer. It was hard to justify the extra $85 for what seemed to be the Walther logo and my preference for the Walther cocking shoe over the HW shoe. Such a small difference.
As a side note, I did go and look into the PCP types of air rifles and after reading about compressors and such, it's a wonder to me why folks are so fixated on them. PCP is the new thing, I know, but for all the trouble, I'd just go for a CZ455 rim fire and some Eley .22lr. I think what I like most about air rifles is the simplicity and convenience of the springer equipment. Just the rifle and a tin of quality pellets. Add a modest scope rated for air rifles and you are set. Easy peasy. I like it.
Thank you all for your input and I value every word you folks took the time to write.
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No then, not so fast, you need to get us some pictures of the LGU, or it didnīt happen you know! Got myself a LGV master pro today, the spring looks like it been sponsored by a oil-sheik, totaly drenched!
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Seems like the LGU is Umarex's version of the TX200 and HW77/97. I thought they took particular pride in having a smooth shot cycle due to some magical German engineering inside? It's disappointing to read that it's not working on your gun. Could be that all it needs is its spring ends polished...
As for PCP, you'll see what all the hubbub is about when you shoot a good one. Effortless accuracy, and higher power doesn't come with weight and shootability issues. They shoot the same after they've been sitting in the cold for 6 months as they do when put away. (not true of springers) They're more accurate past 50 yards. PCP is also not a new thing, but the original design. Lewis & Clark had one, and it ensured their survival. (look up 'Girandoni lews & clark' it's a good read)
As for just going to a rimfire, that would save you some initial cash outlay in the form of support gear and initial gun cost, but shooting the target ammo would quickly eat up the savings. Rimfires are great, especially when you need big power in a compact package, but not everyone can shoot them in their back yards or basements, like we can airguns. ;)
I have some sweet rimfires and PCPs too, but spring airguns still have their place, especially tuned ones.
Know what makes springers shoot better? Shooting the same one a LOT, and really getting used to having a consistent hold. Switching between guns is detrimental to my springer accuracy, I find.
Well, I got the LGU. In retrospect, the HW97 or 77 would have been 18% cheaper. I suspect they both are the equal of the LGU. I am happy with the gun, though I have big cheek bones and the comb is a little high for my face. That means high rings which I didn't want, but hey... I lined up two piston seals and four breech "o" rings for spares. From a brief inspection, the gun looks simple and well made. No cheesy stuff that I can find. It''s really heavy, just like I was told it would be. The twang/harmonic vibration is more than I expected... I'm looking forward to taming the "twang" and learning to shoot a springer. It was hard to justify the extra $85 for what seemed to be the Walther logo and my preference for the Walther cocking shoe over the HW shoe. Such a small difference.
As a side note, I did go and look into the PCP types of air rifles and after reading about compressors and such, it's a wonder to me why folks are so fixated on them. PCP is the new thing, I know, but for all the trouble, I'd just go for a CZ455 rim fire and some Eley .22lr. I think what I like most about air rifles is the simplicity and convenience of the springer equipment. Just the rifle and a tin of quality pellets. Add a modest scope rated for air rifles and you are set. Easy peasy. I like it.
Thank you all for your input and I value every word you folks took the time to write.
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Well, I got the LGU. ...
Congratulations! I'm anxious to see some photos and read about your impressions of, and experiences with, this rifle. I wouldn't mind trying a Walther rifle in the future...
Tight groups,
Bob
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Well, I got the LGU. In retrospect, the HW97 or 77 would have been 18% cheaper. I suspect they both are the equal of the LGU. I am happy with the gun, though I have big cheek bones and the comb is a little high for my face. That means high rings which I didn't want, but hey... I lined up two piston seals and four breech "o" rings for spares. From a brief inspection, the gun looks simple and well made. No cheesy stuff that I can find. It''s really heavy, just like I was told it would be. The twang/harmonic vibration is more than I expected... I'm looking forward to taming the "twang" and learning to shoot a springer. It was hard to justify the extra $85 for what seemed to be the Walther logo and my preference for the Walther cocking shoe over the HW shoe. Such a small difference.
As a side note, I did go and look into the PCP types of air rifles and after reading about compressors and such, it's a wonder to me why folks are so fixated on them. PCP is the new thing, I know, but for all the trouble, I'd just go for a CZ455 rim fire and some Eley .22lr. I think what I like most about air rifles is the simplicity and convenience of the springer equipment. Just the rifle and a tin of quality pellets. Add a modest scope rated for air rifles and you are set. Easy peasy. I like it.
Thank you all for your input and I value every word you folks took the time to write.
Tom: Congratulations on your New LGU ! Best Regards - Tom Wood