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this is from another forum I hope everybody takes it seriously and send in a letter.
Email From PyramydAir
« on: May 13, 2011, 01:54:51 PM »
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I just got an email from PyramydAir...... Here it is:
No more black airguns!
If you enjoy shooting your Walther PPK/S or a Crosman C11, you better
get used to them being ALL red or ALL blue or ALL green -- or
completely clear!
California State Senator Kevin de Leon thinks your black airguns are
dangerous and has proposed CA Senate Bill 798 to stop you from having
them. SB 798 states that all airguns MUST be painted brightly. No more black guns!
Some background
In December 2010, three boys were shooting their airsoft guns in a public park. It was dark, but
their pistols had orange muzzles. The police confronted them and ordered them to put down their
guns. Two boys complied but the third did not. He was shot and suffered severe injuries.
To prevent another such occurrence, Sen. de Leon had a knee-jerk reaction and wrote SB 798 to
stop EVERYONE from buying, owning or shooting black airguns.
It gets worse!
This new law also affects airsoft guns, which millions of people safely use for re-enactments,
skirmishing and maintaining firearm proficiency.
If you hate orange muzzles on your airsoft guns, what are you going to do when the ONLY airsoft
guns you can buy, carry or shoot are red, blue, green or completely clear?
California's Penal Code prohibits the sale and distribution of imitation firearms. BB devices, which
are listed as airsoft guns and BB guns, are specifically excluded from that law. HOWEVER, SB 798
adds airsoft guns and BB guns to the list of imitation firearms that are prohibited UNLESS those guns
are brightly colored.
YOU are guilty
Because you shoot a "BB device," Sen. de Leon thinks you're not a responsible person and must be
forced to have brightly colored guns for your own protection. Basically, he's saying you're guilty by
association because you shoot one of these guns!
While we sympathize with the boy who was injured in last December's incident, that does not give
Sen. de Leon the right to include every airsoft or BB gun owner as someone who needs the
government to tell them what to do.
What you can do
If California passes this bill, other states will get similar bills going. Whether you live in California or
elsewhere, show your support for airsoft and airgun owners everywhere.
Click here to go to our facebook page to download a letter that you can send to Senator de Leon
and your own California representatives about SB 798.
Do it today -- tomorrow may be too late!
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Relevant links:
http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/241345 (http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/241345)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/04/bb-gun-bill-advances-in-reaction-to-lapd-shooting.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/04/bb-gun-bill-advances-in-reaction-to-lapd-shooting.html)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-On-California-SB-798/220859654597216 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-On-California-SB-798/220859654597216)
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I got the email from PA today. It will most likely cover only new guns, and only in CA as of right now. I mean when they outlawed certain Assault rifles, we were still able to keep what we had. anyway, wood stocks will still be wood stocks. I'm not a huge fan of synthetic stocks anyway.
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I think the point is that they're trying to take a little at a time away from us, and it's working. These guys might be idiots, but they're patient. A little here and there until its too late for us to do anything about it. If you live in CA I urge you to do everything in your power to stop this bill from passing.
Thanks,
Daniel
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I got the same e-mail today also(I live in Ohio), but Daniel is right. I compare it to the old frog saying"If you toss a frog into boiling water it will jump right out, but if you place him in the same pot an just slowly raise the temp he will sit there till he boils to death", Don't be a frog guys stand for your rights BEFORE they are gone, even the ones that seem small add up.
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Everyone, not just those in Ca, should voice their concerns. If it passes in Ca, who knows how many other states will adopt this law?
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Not saying I agree, just saying we won't have to paint anything orange.
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How ignorant may they be? Criminals wil paint their REAL weapons those colors.
The LE community will then have to approach every painted gun (real or not) as if it were real.
This proposal smells of rotten fish, already.
Charles
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Guys - I'm Australian - all I can say is watch out - its taken 20 years or so in Australia but *they* have managed to take away most of our guns already - and made just about everything else illegal too - and getting new guns or even keeping the guns you have is going to be made more and more impossible back in the ''land down under''...
Where they see hardcore opposition they find ways around it - they make it harder and harder to go through the process of firearms applications - for you guys I believe it takes about 15 minutes - in Australia now it can take you a YEAR to go through the process of getting ONE NEW FIREARM on your license - and that AUTOMATICALLY excludes a whole range of weapons - NOTHING fully automatic, NO semiautomatic weapons except for pistols for club use target shooting only (extremely controlled and with compulsory ongoing requirements) and now they are even banning calibres - no more .50, no more .338 and now the latest one is to attack people like me who have .308s - it just keeps getting worse and worse...
I guess what I am saying is do what you can now BEFORE it gets like it is in Australia...
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Another reason to hate CA.
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The only real threat from guns is to the government not being able to control it's citizens(subjects when guns are controled) when they want to do something that is not right.
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Hmmm...my wife wanted to visit Australia, soon. Guess we'll be looking for other points of interest!
So, no tourist dollars for Australia from my family!
Voting with one's wallet is so easy.
Charles
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I live in Ca. If this passes, LOOK out. Look what happen with the EPA. First Ca smog standard, then everybody got on the band wagon. Send the letter. gman
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Get involved!!! - Write/call your reps, let them know this is wrong, & how much you're opposed to it. Don't just sit around and do nothing but complain, - do something!!
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Look's like I won't be doing camo job's for the folks in Cali. >:( Ed
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BE A FREE THINKER!
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I hear you North Pack - I got to the point where I had a standard 50 page response every time the govt asked for ''feedback'' from the public - citing everything from the magna carta, bill of rights, etc, etc. - PROVING (legally) that we have the same constitutional right to bear arms that you guys do - and that what was being done was illegal - I have YET to have a real response to any/all of my submissions... What the govt does in Oz now is VERY sneaky - when they saw SO MANY PEOPLE like me putting in submissions and opposing even more gun controls they went QUIET on that but changed the procedures to make applying for a firearm even harder - its no longer the local police - its an online application with the local post office - and is now SO INVOLVED and can come back to you SO MANY TIMES that you are looking at a MINIMUM of 12 months and even then likely to be knocked back - the system is now so unworkable MOST people give up (EXACTLY what they want...) Its a really involved issue...
Just ONE more example - the police ''accidentally'' had a problem with the firearms licensing database/computer system - and LOST heaps of records - and remember that in Australia the responsibility for renewing the license each year is yours - THEY don't have to send out the reminder notice - what I see happening this year is MANY people will suddenly (overnight) find they are ILLEGAL and having to RENEW their firearms licenses all over again like NEW applications - and when THAT happens they will apply all the new rules/nasty stuff to people who like me have had firearms licenses/firearms since they were 18... Yet another chance to deny applications/confiscate firearms...
Basically - with firearms in Australia the anti-gun scumbags have a simple approach - the ''end justifies the means'' and what they want is nothing less than the 100% disarmament of the Australian population - right down to pocket knives - they have even BANNED swords in a couple of states (I know about this because I have been a hardcore campaigner on this one too - for people wanting to protect family heirlooms, be legitimate collectors, martial artists, etc...)
Mmmmmh - before the blood pressure goes through the roof I'd better stop there - but lets just say that one of the reasons I am seriously thinking about Argentina long term is that they do NOT have the same insane anti-gun laws that we have back in Oz - I don't like the idea of living in a country where ''my own'' government denies me the right to have what I want or to do what I want - that just doesn't sit well with me...
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I am very familiar with what happened in australia it all happens a small piece at the time!! BTW Nice post bdb12586 :)
Also I believe I read where criminals on the east coast were painting there pistol muzzle orange to create confusion! and some idiot painted whole gun! and thought they were going to ban painting toy guns bright colors at one time?
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If it passes in Ca., Wa. will follow.Ca. thinks its a country, not a state, and screws up things for everybody dumb enough to follow their lead. Wa. follows them real well in a lot of cases. It's quite pathetic that this stuff is even thought up. Don't get me started....
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Supposedly this only effects replica gun, airsoft and air guns that are made to resemble "real" guns.
I would think that would also include the Walther lever-action rifles too. Yuck, a hot pink lever gun :'(
So, we all know that a scoped springer rifle is not a replica of a firearm, but to the great unwashed that Gamo Big Cat or Diana 34 may look like you're toting "deer rifle" around in your back yard.
I hope this insanity doesn't spread out of Kalifornia.
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Hi i live in Hawaii and we have one of the strictest gun laws in U.S, as for airsoft guns we already have it with orange front tips. Most active airsoft players customize there guns for better performance and in doing so the tips are change w/custom parts. I have not yet heard of anyone here being cited for not having color tips on the airsoft. I believe there are enough firearms laws out. Maybe more education in this area may be an alternate way to go. And yes we should do our best to be involved with any new regulations that intrude on our freedom to enjoy a sport be it airsoft/ pellet/ BB as our past time.
so GET INVOLED IF YOU LIVE IN CA
Aloha
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Hey all, I don't understand why I don't see any thing on the PA site( home page - blogs, etc..) Could the Emails be fraudulent or scams?
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I agree with you stacycfi ,its comming i believe that they are trying to take all our arms to have better control of us for when martial law arrives ...little by little our rights are being taken away and soon we will have none ......its just the begining and will get worst by june of 2012 ...
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Supposedly this only effects replica gun, airsoft and air guns that are made to resemble "real" guns.
I would think that would also include the Walther lever-action rifles too. Yuck, a hot pink lever gun :'(
So, we all know that a scoped springer rifle is not a replica of a firearm, but to the great unwashed that Gamo Big Cat or Diana 34 may look like you're toting "deer rifle" around in your back yard.
I hope this insanity doesn't spread out of Kalifornia.
If you read the actual bill proposed it includes "BB devices" and "pellet devices"
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I don't see an advantage to paint air guns in a bright colour. It would be safer for the public to restrict the power of air pistols and air rifles to 7,5 Joules like here. This would make the USA so much safer.
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Removed for my Irish Brother ;).
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"It would be safer for the public to ristrict the power of air pistols and air rifles to 7,5 Joules like here. This would make the USA so much safer."
This is not the issue. It is strictly about the end result, taking away Gun Rights. Most cities already have laws in place about shooting Pellet/BB guns in public places. If it was about "keeping us safe" so law enforcement does not get confused over an airsoft gun or pellet gun(already laws in place for pellet/bb guns) verses a fire arm, they would simply have a law not allowing the use air soft guns in public places in the cities.
I completely agree with the opposing argument to the bill, people are going to have the misconception that pellet guns are toys and are not dangerous.
I am not saying airsoft guns are not dangerous by any stretch of the imagination, but they are TOYS. Pellet guns/BB guns are not.
Plus do not forget according to the officer one of the three kids did not comply to the officers request. So because some one did not comply, everyone gets punished?
So what's next, everyone who would never get in a high speed chase with the cops would have to drive cars of a certain color but the guys who would run have to drive black cars? Everybody would agree that is INSANE. The criminals would still try to blend in with the rest of society like they do now(for the most part). Same would happen with "toy guns" verses fire arms. Heck it already has happened.
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Jay, have you heard the word "sarcasm"? That's what I intended with my first post. LOL
I HATE our laws and I can do nothing about it. Do you want to hear more? Even with a license no more than 16 Joules for us potatoes. Shooting with your 16 joules guns on your own property? FORGET IT. Only on approved shooting ranges.
Want a taste of some firearms laws? One year membership in a gun club before you can even think about your own .22 or bigger caliber firearm. Must be 18 years old for long guns, under 25 years you need a psycho test from uncle doctor for pistols. You can only buy firearms for your events you shoot. Want to buy a pistol when you only shoot in rifle events? No pistol for you. You leave the club you lose your guns. Simple. LOLOLOLOLOL
You can thank god for the firearm laws in your country.
Anti gun nuts need time but in my opinion they will win at the end. Before 1970 there were no restricions on air guns and you could buy .22 caliber long guns at the age of 18 without a license or that kind of &^^&. You could also buy a lot more stuff than today which I can not all list. Today? We are ****** deep. Did it change anything? Nope, we have killing sprees in schools which didn't happen before 1970 in a way that occur today.
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I have Bro., an SORRY I took it the wrong way, just my redneck "yank" ways I guess. I do understand how things are for you, so please understand how hard I/we fight for our rights here so we do not lose them to this changing world. I will strike my above post now.
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I posted this earlier on the "This not worthy" topic in the Announcement Gate. Thought it should fit here also:
Here is a link to a petition that has a number of signatures already. Just fill out the info requested in the upper left corner of the screen and click the big button. Hopefully this and other efforts will make a difference:
http://www.change.org/petitions/say-no-to-california-state-sb-798-the-anti-airsoft-bill (http://www.change.org/petitions/say-no-to-california-state-sb-798-the-anti-airsoft-bill)
Do your part, as the video says...
dw
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I have Bro., an SORRY I took it the wrong way, just my redneck "yank" ways I guess. I do understand how things are for you, so please understand how hard I/we fight for our rights here so we do not lose them to this changing world. I will strike my above post now.
If I had the money I would come over and join the fight for your rights and to leave this country here. Even though, not all things are bad. Just for gun loving people this is *(&^ here.
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The issue isn't gun color...stupid idiot liberal scumbags.
Instead of trying to hide weapons from the public and mark them as tools of demonic intent they need to teach every single kid about weapon safety and more importantly.
HOW NOT TO GET SHOT BY THE POLICE. Stupid kid pointed an AIRSOFT GUN AT A COP. That's the only reason this issue got going. Some IDIOTIC kid pointed an airsoft pistol at a cop after him and his friends were caught playing in some public park. Doesn't matter hey! the color of the gun us. Doesn't matter if it's an airsoft or a "dang" squirt gun! You don't point weapons at cops or any one EVER. You think that officer wouldn't draw his weapon on that hid EVEN IF it was painted yellow!?!?! *(&^ no! Airsoft guns are nasty powerful! A good GBB pistol could easy blind you!
If you point a "dang" Marauder .25 cal at some ones head, doesn't matter if the "dang" this is painted HOT PINK it's not going to make it any less dangerous. Moron idiot anti gun liberal retards.
NO FOOLS. Airsoft and "bb devices" aren't any less dangerous then real guns. Painting them funny colors doesn't do a "dang" thing for the issue because they ARE dangerous. They can blow your eyes out and we know how nasty high powered pellet guns are. Their is no point in "defining" pellet or airsoft weapons. They should be treated as REAL WEAPONS because they are WEAPONS.
Painting a "dang" Honda any other color won't make it less of a car! A gun is a gun is a gun is a gun. Kid should of been taught better. Kid should of known better.
Don't rely on regulating weapons. I think every kid NEEDS to take hunters safety.
As an avid airsofter and paintballer I would encourage a REQUIRED safety and operations course for those sports. People need to know how to be safe.
The only way to fix stupid is education. I hate liberals. They accomplish nothing with their firearms programs. They've seen way to many stupid war movies and watch to much CSI.
Life, liberty, and the right to happiness. I love shooting. I love my weapons. They bring joy to my life. I am a sane rational safe person and I'll run any course and take any test to prove that I know how to handle my weapons and of sound mind and soul.
They can take my guns IF they put a ban on music, painting, and fast cars. My guns aren't death machines to me, they are works of art. They may pry them from my cold dead fingers.
These are the same idiots who blame the schools and society for the bad parents who can't raise their kids to be productive brain using members of society.
Yea..nvm...that's the issue. Blame the parents. It's all our parents faults airguns are dangerous.
Lets paint old people funny colors! Quickly! Lets put forward a bill! This issue makes perfect sense. :o :o >:( >:(
/rant off.
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De leon is going after anything to do with any kind of gun or ammo.
I live in Cali and we have to deal with so much of this liberal tree hugging &^^& it's out of control
You can bet your bottom dollar we will fight this tooth and nail.
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At what point is it everyone else's fault that the kid did not drop a airsoft gun for a cop with a real gun? You wanna prove it is not real, drop it and let the cop see for himself.
And I think orange tipped airsoft regs are fine.