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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: RAJOD on May 10, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
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I think the round with the Hatsan QE long is just about over. Too many issues that added up to alot of time.
So now in the market for another PCP.
Contenders
BSA Scorpion SE synthetic - $699.00
- https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-scorpion-se-pcp-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=3162 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-scorpion-se-pcp-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=3162)
Kral Arms Puncher face breaker silent walnet .22 - $550.00
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/puncher-breaker-silent-walnut-sidelever-pcp-air-rifle?m=4294 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/puncher-breaker-silent-walnut-sidelever-pcp-air-rifle?m=4294)
Kral Arms Puncher Pro PCP Air Rifle -$550.00
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/kral-arms-puncher-pro-pcp-air-rifle?m=4191 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/kral-arms-puncher-pro-pcp-air-rifle?m=4191)
Criteria
Good shooter - Hatsan QE was erratic
Easy to shoulder - under 8 pounds lighter preferred. (Hatsan a little heavy)
Not a picky eater
.22 cal FPE 25-30 range
Shot count 30-40+
On the BSA what is the difference between the Scorpion SE and the Scorpion 1200 SE??
Both regulated?
Tank size?
Thanks
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Have the SE 1200. It's longer and heavier. Would not want to pack this thing for any sort of distance. Neither is regulated. And the "shroud" on the SE 1200 is pretty much only for show. Also have a Buccaneer in 177. Honesty prefer it due to weight and length.
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I think the round with the Hatsan QE long is just about over. Too many issues that added up to alot of time.
So now in the market for another PCP.
Contenders
BSA Scorpion SE synthetic - $699.00
- https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-scorpion-se-pcp-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=3162 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-scorpion-se-pcp-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=3162)
Kral Arms Puncher face breaker silent walnet .22 - $550.00
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/puncher-breaker-silent-walnut-sidelever-pcp-air-rifle?m=4294 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/puncher-breaker-silent-walnut-sidelever-pcp-air-rifle?m=4294)
Kral Arms Puncher Pro PCP Air Rifle -$550.00
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/kral-arms-puncher-pro-pcp-air-rifle?m=4191 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/kral-arms-puncher-pro-pcp-air-rifle?m=4191)
Criteria
Good shooter - Hatsan QE was erratic
Easy to shoulder - under 8 pounds lighter preferred. (Hatsan a little heavy)
Not a picky eater
.22 cal FPE 25-30 range
Shot count 30-40+
On the BSA what is the difference between the Scorpion SE and the Scorpion 1200 SE??
Both regulated?
Tank size?
Thanks
I'd pick the puncher face breaker! Ha ha ha
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I have a .177 Scorpion SE, I will send you a PM
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Rajod,
I have only about a dozen pellets through mine but I will add a couple more details on the 1200 SE. The barrel is 24 inches versus 18.5 on the non 1200. The 1200 has a full length shroud but no silencing is designed into it. The end of the barrel leaves about an inch of room, so I have read, between it and the interior end of the shroud.
Th air cylinder is longer on the 1200.
Taso
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Get one of the AirForce guns.
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Bullpups are normally easier to shoulder but owning both BSA and Evanix (Kral uses the same design as Evanix) I must say BSA is much more refined as a small bore gun. Is BSA Scorpion SE in carbine length available to you? That would be my choice for a nice shouldering hunting gun.
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The search is over.
Out with the Hatsan At 44 QE long and in with a new BSA Scorpion SE synthetic stock in .22 cal.
Almost went for the 1200 but after owning the QE long I found I was spoiled a bit with my Regal and Brocock, both under 7 pounds and easy to carry. The 1200 is just a bit on the heavy side.
The Scorpion SE is smaller and has fewer shots but its under 8 pounds. So the lower weight helped me decide. Price? $630.00 free shipping PA.
Thanks for the input.
(http://puu.sh/vMOzZ/064d72ae7f.jpg)
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Rajod,
Did you get the synthetic or wood stock?
Taso
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Rajod,
Did you get the synthetic or wood stock?
Taso
Hi Taso!
I got the black synth just like in the photo. Should be here next week. I am slowly catching up to you Taso in the collection. ;D
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The search is over.
Out with the Hatsan At 44 QE long and in with a new BSA Scorpion SE synthetic stock in .22 cal.
Almost went for the 1200 but after owning the QE long I found I was spoiled a bit with my Regal and Brocock, both under 7 pounds and easy to carry. The 1200 is just a bit on the heavy side.
The Scorpion SE is smaller and has fewer shots but its under 8 pounds. So the lower weight helped me decide. Price? $630.00 free shipping PA. get a xtx shroud for it
Thanks for the input.
(http://puu.sh/vMOzZ/064d72ae7f.jpg)
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The search is over. get the xtx for it
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Just out of curiosity RAJOD, when you have a Daystate .22, why go for a Scorpion .22? Not a criticism, just wondering.
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Just out of curiosity RAJOD, when you have a Daystate .22, why go for a Scorpion .22? Not a criticism, just wondering.
Lol Dbez1 you asked me the same exact question when I got the Hatson.
Look if I had to keep one gun its going to be the Daystate. In 2013 I shot Fx, Daystates, Mrods, at precision.
Nothing there outshot it including the airwolf they just got in. It was 1799 marked down to 1300. The more expensive Daystates only offered more shots and ugly bottle. But I like variety plus I have buddies without air guns. Can't all shoot the daystate at same time and I don't want multi regals.
Also I like to try out new toys, maybe I can find a sub 700 gun that shoots as good as my Daystate.
I might get a Kral too and also a Guantlet. I like variety in my guns.
The next expensive gun I get might be a FX impact or Daystate Wolverine 2 highlite. Probably the Daystate.
The BSA sounds like a great gun, excited to get it.
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BSAs are well supported guns. Huub makes shrouds and regulators for them. Rancidtom has stainless steel pellet probes and XTX air loads of other things. Blast tamer is a very good add on and my favorite is a big ball cocking bolt handle:
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/abbababbaccc/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/abbababbaccc/media/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg.html)
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Get one of the AirForce guns.
I've been tempted on Airforce, I'm old school hard for me to get use to that all metal look of airforce and FX guns like the impact. Not this time around but I'll put it in my future list.
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BSAs are well supported guns. Huub makes shrouds and regulators for them. Rancidtom has stainless steel pellet probes and XTX air loads of other things. Blast tamer is a very good add on and my favorite is a big ball cocking bolt handle:
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/abbababbaccc/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/abbababbaccc/media/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg.html)
Thanks for the info!
Never thought about pellet probes, does none stainless wear out or something? Might add a TKO because there are under 100.00 and I don't need it super hush just a little less bark. Any other Moderators that can be shipped to me for it? I know I called AOA on my Brocock and they said I would have to send it in, they would not ship it to me.
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BSAs are well supported guns. Huub makes shrouds and regulators for them. Rancidtom has stainless steel pellet probes and XTX air loads of other things. Blast tamer is a very good add on and my favorite is a big ball cocking bolt handle:
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/abbababbaccc/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/abbababbaccc/media/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg.html)
Thanks for the info!
Never thought about pellet probes, does none stainless wear out or something? Might add a TKO because there are under 100.00 and I don't need it super hush just a little less bark. Any other Moderators that can be shipped to me for it? I know I called AOA on my Brocock and they said I would have to send it in, they would not ship it to me.
BSA had issues with nickel plating flaking on some probes so aftermarket probes were introduced to fix that. In Europe Weihrauch LDC is the most common choice and a benchmark other LDCs are compared to, most fail to reach the efficiency of HW unit and the price is only around 40-50 eur. Hugget is another good choice but much more expensive. Hogan is also very close to HW in efficiency and price.
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Options for your TKO that will all be happy to take your money (not that there is anything wrong with TKO, that is what my Scorpion has), in no particular order:
1. Neil Clague
2. David (Rocker1), and admin here on GTA
3. Baxter Walton (bwaltonpcp.net)
4. a Huub barrel shroud from XTX air
And probably other folks I'm not thinking of right away
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BSAs are well supported guns. Huub makes shrouds and regulators for them. Rancidtom has stainless steel pellet probes and XTX air loads of other things. Blast tamer is a very good add on and my favorite is a big ball cocking bolt handle:
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/abbababbaccc/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/abbababbaccc/media/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg.html)
rkr,
Do you know if Rancidtom makes pin style probes for the Scorpion rifles? Or does he only make the original style flow through probes?
Thank you,
Taso
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BSAs are well supported guns. Huub makes shrouds and regulators for them. Rancidtom has stainless steel pellet probes and XTX air loads of other things. Blast tamer is a very good add on and my favorite is a big ball cocking bolt handle:
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/abbababbaccc/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/abbababbaccc/media/IMG_1704_zpsiquytxrp.jpg.html)
rkr,
Do you know if Rancidtom makes pin style probes for the Scorpion rifles? Or does he only make the original style flow through probes?
Thank you,
Taso
Only hollow nose probes work with multishot BSAs. A pin nose probe that will actually push a pellet with rear cavity past transfer port will not retract far enough to allow magazine insertion and removal. If you were to build a bullet shooting BSA a pin probe with shorter pin would work.
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Options for your TKO that will all be happy to take your money (not that there is anything wrong with TKO, that is what my Scorpion has), in no particular order:
1. Neil Clague
2. David (Rocker1), and admin here on GTA
3. Baxter Walton (bwaltonpcp.net)
4. a Huub barrel shroud from XTX air
And probably other folks I'm not thinking of right away
Thanks for the list. Not sure one which silencer to get, Was going to get a TKO for the brocock but they only make them in 6.5", I want a shorter one like the one on my Daystate. Those crazy long silencers might work well but also going to get knocked around more. Just need one to cut the sound some does not have to be silent.
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Thanks for the list. Not sure one which silencer to get, Was going to get a TKO for the brocock but they only make them in 6.5", I want a shorter one like the one on my Daystate. Those crazy long silencers might work well but also going to get knocked around more. Just need one to cut the sound some does not have to be silent.
You might want to call TKO. I have a 5" (for a Crosman), but I also think he makes custom sizes.
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Thanks for the list. Not sure one which silencer to get, Was going to get a TKO for the brocock but they only make them in 6.5", I want a shorter one like the one on my Daystate. Those crazy long silencers might work well but also going to get knocked around more. Just need one to cut the sound some does not have to be silent.
You might want to call TKO. I have a 5" (for a Crosman), but I also think he makes custom sizes.
I did call on the 5" said not for brocock. I'll call again on the BSA.
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Thanks for the list. Not sure one which silencer to get, Was going to get a TKO for the brocock but they only make them in 6.5", I want a shorter one like the one on my Daystate. Those crazy long silencers might work well but also going to get knocked around more. Just need one to cut the sound some does not have to be silent.
You might want to call TKO. I have a 5" (for a Crosman), but I also think he makes custom sizes.
I did call on the 5" said not for brocock. I'll call again on the BSA.
Huub shroud is as quiet as HW but 2" shorter.