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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Big Bore AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Tad on May 03, 2011, 08:57:10 PM
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First post, so be kind. I was going to bump a thread from a couple of weeks ago about the 707 Ultra, but I thought maybe I would get some new thoughts
I have had BB and pellet guns in the past, but low power stuff, toys really. I got bit bad by the "adult" air gun bug a couple of months ago, and the obsession has not resided.
At first, I just had to get the biggest, baddest big bore I could get. Then (as logic kicked in), well, just the baddest gun under $700 that I could get in 5 days.... Logic continued to churn away at the fact that the baddest guns really would not be much fun for plinking and target. I'm not a hunter, so the thought of 4 shot/fill is not at all attractive.
Logic prevailed. Even though I really, really wanted a big bore, it became obvious that the Discovery was actually the perfect gun for me (cheap, great fun, low pump pressure, 30 shots, 800 fps), so I got one. I wanted a bit of power, so I got the .22. Great decision, I love the Disco. But I still have the bug for a big bore.
Why? I'm just fascinated with the power that come from these air guns. It would be cool to blow through 2X4s. I have a few weak "justifications"; I live out in the sticks and don't own a firearm. A big bore would give me some level of protection against 2 and 4 legged predators. I know true firearms makes way more sense for this. So, yeah, it would be a toy. And there is a good possibility that I'd get bored with that kind of nonsense after a few months. So, the decision churns.
Logic and emotion wrestle, but I think I can describe my perfect gun. It would have a high power that would allow a few shots at >200 fpe with a heavy slug. It would have a low power setting that would shoot a light slug at >700 fps, with good accuracy, and allow at least a dozen shots. It would be a repeater, but this is more of a want. Under $700. I know, impossible. Maybe a description of the Rogue, except for the price. Maybe possible with a custom tune on the 707 Ultra?
I'm looking for pretty powerful, but with a "practical" side that I would enjoy using for target practice (but has a bit of a bark). I'm leaning towards a 707 Ultra if I can find one. For me, dual tanks are attractive for the number of shots, even if it restricts power to some extent. I have thought about:
Dragon Slayer/Dragon Claw-Bad @@@, .50 cal, Claw with double barrel interesting. Accurate, but low fps so maybe no range. Even on low power, it seems like I would get very few shots.
909-These seem to be all over the map, in terms of power, without tuning. Some reviews have the 909s with more power than the Dragons, others show considerably less. The double tube has less power (and less tunability), but the figures seem to be all over the place as well.
707 Ultra-Leaning this way. Double tubes, repeater, high power 150 fpe, but 900 fps with a light pellet. I could live with that, and more shots at lower fps on low power.
One final point. I will start with a pump, which I have from the Disco and is good for 3600 psi. With the Disco, the pump is a breeze since I only go 2000 psi, and I could use the exercise. I'm thinking going to 3,000 psi on a 500 cc chamber may be quite different, so I'd like comments there, too.
Thanks!
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Hey Tad! Welcome to the GTA and to bigbore gate. Check back and you'll start getting some feedback from the guys who frequent this forum, you'll get good advice no doubt. I'll be sure to post my thoughts on this too, a little later this evening. Just wanted to say hi and welcome you, Jeff
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Got to agree with you about the disco, an awesome gun for sure.
So far as the bigbores go, availabilty is a trememdous problem right now on some korean models. If your willing to buy used, you can eventually find what your looking for but if you want new, The 909 and dragon claw/recluse are about all that is available. I know nothing about the claw, Nomadic Pirates most up to date on them i think, hopefuly he'll chime in, the 909 didn't impress me stock but if i had it tuned it would i think. The Fire 201 and 202 (.357)are great guns that fit your requirements also with the exception of the repeater part. Hopefully the 202 will come back into stock soon.
So far as the 707, they are hard to find now to but turn up as used specimens from time to time. Heavy rascals though.
My thoughts would be to go with one of the current in stock guns, it would be brand new, unblemished and considering that the used guns go for $400-700.00, depending on what they are, pyramid airs price on a DC with the 10% off coupon would be $550.00 for the latest brand new model.
So far as pumping, if you like excercise and have the extra time you can fill these guns by hand. If you don't, you can go with an inexpensive scuba system, if you have a dive shot nearby, for about $250.00
No matter what you go with you'll enjoy it. Hope this helps a bit, Jeff
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Thanks, Jeff. But as I said, I'm obsessed. I've already hovered over the buy button dual barrel versions of the claw and recluse from pyramid with the 10% off (but losing free postage).
I've emailed Pirate already.
I've looked at the shoebox compressor.
Can you see I have a problem?
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welcome and thanks for asking the same questions going threw my mind. the Disco is amazing, but I want a repeater that can drop anything I point it at:) really want to do a huge hog
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My 707 ultra shoots the roundball at 1000 fps and i can get 14 shots at the same POI at 35 yards
Didn't try at lower power, but I should get an all bunch of shots for sure
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not a big bore, but the Sumatra .25 is something to really consider
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With what is already available having the new Crosman .357 added to the mix things are getting interesting.
Factor in Evanix is coming out with some larger calibre rifles and it might be worth a short wait to see if they fill your need.
I have both a Marauder and a Blizzard and if had to choose the Evanix Blizzard would be the one I would keep. Both are nice shooters but the Evanix is so much nicer it is not a contest for me.
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Agreed, worth waiting a little bit for the new .357 Evanix, that one should be sweeeet
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If price is not a factor then the Evanix Speed 9 MM is a Rifle to consider. However. Expensive like the .357 Rogue.
The Evanix Monster ( 800cc) Side lever & Evanix Black Leopard Rifles are $1500 Rifles . The new Evanix Speed 9 MM
and Giant will be no doubt be awesome rifles also, But will be $1500 . The .45 Ranger by Dan McVey is in that $1500
group also. If looking for a solid Big Bore under $700 than the Sam Yang Dragon Claw .50 & 9 MM Recluse and .45 909
Models are great Rifles to consider. The Shin Sung 9MMs 202 & 707 are Awesome Big Bores , However they need to
be found on the Yellow. I wish they would bring back the Shin Sung 202 or Ultras again. Powerful Small Bore Rifles from
Eun Jin, Like the .22 & .25 Sumatra or a .22 or.25 Infinity. My LeRoy Tuned 909S .45 is a Great Hunter And a Haley
.58 Caliber also. I am currently saving for another Big Bore. Maybe a .45 Ranger or the New Evanix 9 MM. There are so
many different Rifles to Consider. Do not rush, And look at all factors in your choice and take your time to make a final
decision. Big Bore Gate is Awesome, It is filled with so many different people who bring to the table a ton of knowledge
on Air Guns of all types and Calibers. I have been learning new things here by reading, And these guys are like an full
encyclopedia of information on all aspects of Big Bores.
Jetman / Gary / Disabled US Army
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Hi,
indeed; take your time...
What you should take in consideration is a real fully adjustable trigger.....
Now most cheap Asians fall off..
Second the way they cock.....
In the Netherlands the battle on the 100m bigbore is between the Beaumont
http://www.airguns.nl/?categoryid=246&category=16 (http://www.airguns.nl/?categoryid=246&category=16)
and the Corsair....
The first 4 were Beaumont this time....
Big bore is for hunting but since we are not allowed to hunt with a airgun or without a permit
Bigbore's are compaired in the 100m papertargetrange which gives a very good comparison of what they are capable off.
Yes i bought a 202 and must find something the get a better triggerpull.....
And the cocking is rather stiff.
good luck.
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Ok, I'm leaning towards .357 as they would seem to use less air, and have higher velocity for flatter trajectory and longer range. Please let me know if my logic is false here. Are there other advantages to the larger calibers, other than higher fpe?
So, I'm looking at 201, 202, Ultra and Recluse. Future .357 guns look very exciting, but very pricey.
There is a 202S used for sale at Pyramyd for $470.00. Seems high, but I assume you pay a premium for buying through a retail shop. Out of 10 replies to this thread, 2 have praised the 202s.
Preliminary reviews on the single tube Recluse show it to be a bit stronger than the 202s, but I have not seen tests on the 2 tube.
Does Sam Yang have a reputation for continuous improvement? Can I assume that the dual tube Recluse will be significantly improved over the 202S, and therefore worth the extra money and wait (the Recluse won't ship until June)?
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Good thing about those .357s is that you can shoot the .360 Ballistic Product roundball, and those are very cheap, about a nickle a ball, so if target is your thing the 71gr cheap ball is a good option
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Tad for hunting a 45 caliber has its advantages on larger game . Pigs on up . For paper and small game 30 calibers will give you the flatter trajectory you are looking for . I just converted my 909 over to a 32 for this reason . I have 2 Corsairs as well 1 is a 308 and the other is a 357 . I have listed chrony readings here on both . With the stock spring as well as a cut spring . You might want to do a search and look at the readings . You can take a 3600 psi fill rifle to a 2400 psi and have more energy than the 202 or 201 . Which I have as well . You may not like them but in my opinion they are a better buy then the Korean rifles . I have a JH 32 as well . Out of all my 30 caliber rifles the Corsairs are my top picks . For power and accuracy . Good luck Marvin
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Thanks, Marvin. I don't like or dislike the Corsairs, I just couldn't find much info. I don't have a tank, so I could not even start to fill them (need high pressure to seal valve at initial fill) Now there does not seem to be anyone in the US carrying them.
Good insight though. I never thought of running one of the high pressure guns at lower pressure.
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.......if target shooting is the main thing, a stock 202s or a recluse 2 tubes, would be hard to beat, can easily get 10 or more shots per fill, cheap gun, cheap ammo, not super powerfull but still good fun power :)
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They have installed a spring in the valve so you can now hand pump them . The Corsair is Randy's rifle at http://www.adventuresinairguns.com/ (http://www.adventuresinairguns.com/)
There is nothing wrong with any of the rifles on the market . The draw back of the Recluse will be the little screw that holds the chocking bolt on . If it is the same as the 909 . Not a real problem for the hunter . But for the paper shooter that will shoot it 100-200 shoots a session it can be a real issue . It loosens up and then the handle breaks . The 201 and 202 has a better handle by far than the 909 line . I do a lot of paper and what is a very good rifle for one use can some times have a flaw that really shows up when used differently . I did not do this to my 909 just for fun . For a lot of paper I needed too.
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The other thing that I don't know if you mentioned or not is the distance . With the stock power of the Koreans 50-60 yards for good accuracy is about it . Unless you will settle for 2 or more inch's of grouping at 70-75 yards . To slow to start with to hold small groups at long distance . Don't get me wrong . If that is ok with you then it will meet your needs . If not you have have been told my experience with the 6 BB that I have . When I mention these distances I am talking about most days when there is some wind involved . On a perfectly calm day then things would be better .Marvin
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The Koreans will give me 2" groups at 75 yards? Sweet! I can't do that now.
Seriously, my skill level is not there yet.
Everybody's advise has been helpful, and things are starting to gel a bit as to the direction I should go.
Please keep the thoughts coming!
Marvin, I'm not familiar with the bolt on the 909, I assume your photo shows a replacement. Is there a fix for the little screw? Was your replacement easy, or a real problem?
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This required Dan to make a new bolt as well . LI BOB does this as well . And has another screw fix as well . Neither are a easy fix . I do not believe Dan has the time for tunes and mods now . Busy making Corsairs and XP rifles . I never have asked Will if he has a fix or not . If you are going to do a lot of shooting then this is something you need to really consider . I know that Butcher has broken several handles as well when he gives his rifle a work out . Knowing what I do now I would buy a used 201 or 202 . My 201 was my first BB . My 909 was number 2 and some what of a disappointment after owning the 201 . If I could only have one the 909 would go away . It is a dual tube and my thoughts might be different had I bought the single tube . By the way my 201 has a adjustable trigger were as the 909 line does not . I adjusted the pull weight down on high power to were it passes the jar test . Pull is around 3 -3 1/2 pounds . But on low power it is around 1 pound pull . By the way 2 inchs at 75 yards with out a tune is going to be well good luck .Marvin
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Marvin,
Of course, now that I'm getting a real warm and fuzzy about the used 202, it's gone from the Pyramyd site. These used big bores sure don't seem to last long in the classified.
No problem, it's for the best. I've got a hot passion to buy something now, and that's seldom a wise decision. Every day I get new insight, and I think I will need more, particularly if looking at used guns.
Why was the 909 a disappointment? I assume the 909 is up on fpe over the 201, but lower velocity. I'm leaning towards dual tube units for the additional shots (I assume that the number of usable shots roughly doubles), realizing that I'll lose a few fps. Is my logic good here?
Thanks for the great insight.
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Your shoot count will not double . For the range you are talking you will get about 2 extra good shoots . Then the hold over even with a mill dot scope gets out of line IMO for paper work . 35-50 yards then you might get 3 -4 more good shoots . But that is a stretch and then if the wind comes up it is a no . Not only will the poi shift down but it will shift to the right as the fps drops . The longer the distance the more it will show up . It is a real issue to deal with for paper work . Hunting a group of 2-3 inch's at 50-60 yards ok the animal is still hit in the kill zone . Those rifles are called light hunters for a good reason . The lower your psi gets the more air you use . So I doubt that hand pumping a dual tube over a single tube would have that much of a difference .
The 909 is longer, heavier, and no adjustable trigger . Bigger bleed hold for hunting yes but the difference in energy between the 909 and the 201 is really not a issue . If you want go to photo bucket and do a search for melloroadman . It will say not found did you want a user by the name of melloroadman . Say yes and my albums will come up . I have a album for all my rifle chrony reading there so you can compare .Marvin
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Marvin, Many thanks. You've provided me with quite a bit of insight. I have noticed when my disco is low on air the POI drops and seemed to go a bit sideways (thought it was me), so even that observation is a help.
And you have brought some rationality to my thinking.
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Just remember you are buying a hunting rifle to use as a target rifle . And there is a difference . As long as you are aware of these things you should be happy . I doubt that I will buy another Korean rifle for paper work . They can be made to do the job very well . But they are the hardest rifles I have found to work on or to modify . There is no such thing as field dress a Korean BB . Marvin
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Hi Melloroadman,
you wrote; "By the way my 201 has a adjustable trigger"
I have a 202 but can't find anything to adjust.
Did i miss something or did you made something so it is adjustable now..
i like to have the same feature.
thx
woodland
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If target shooting is all you wanna do I would seriously consider the SUMATRA .25 the feel of a big bore without all the Big Bore drawbacks.
Exceptional accuracy at longer distances, cheaper ammo, lots of shots for fill, 6 shots repeter, cool looking gun, and at 90 FPE if ever want to take her hunting she'll drop a big pig with a headshot no problem
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If target shooting is all you wanna do I would seriously consider the SUMATRA .25 the feel of a big bore without all the Big Bore drawbacks.
Exceptional accuracy at longer distances, cheaper ammo, lots of shots for fill, 6 shots repeter, cool looking gun, and at 90 FPE if ever want to take her hunting she'll drop a big pig with a headshot no problem
I agree with NP. You will get a whole lot more shots with the .25, that shoot really flat and make a respectable boom.
Now if you a bit more power just for the power, which is great fun with heavy iron/steel spinners at 100+yards, a .357 Corsair, a tuned 2tube SamYang Recluse .357, or even a 909 "light hunter" shooting lighter-weight ammo would be a good way to go. If just shooting targets definitely go .357 as it will shoot the flattest, hit hard, and the boolit selection in that caliber is just awesome.
For hunting the power-tuned 909 light hunter has pretty good power for up to deer at 50 yards, and I get 4-5 shots within about 10-20fps maximum variance off of a fill of air. I can and do shoot nice groups without changing my POA with a variety of slugs 154-260+grains.
When I say "nice groups" I mean to say that I get 3-4 shot 50 yard groups that are under an inch center to center when shooting off of steady stix using a few different designs of slug. Not once and a while, but consistently. I have a stock 909 here that displays the same accuracy, and WillP has shot some groups right at MOA@100yards with his 909S shooting EPP/UG's (re-filling each shot) so the Korean bigbore airgun barrels are good barrels.
My tuned 909 has seen a lot of lead, and several species of game over the last several years. I just recently received what I believe to be the last 909 cocking lever I will ever need (for this 909) after months of development.
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It has been a long time since I adjusted the trigger on the 201 . And I do not know if the 202 is the same . What you are doing is adjusting the depth that the sear engages into the hammer so care must be taken . You have to remove the trigger unit. And I did install a lighter return spring while I was there . If my memory is right on one end of the unit there is a set screw with a lock nut . I believe it is on the muzzle end of the unit . By adjusting it you are setting how deep the unit will set down in the receiver . Care must be taken or you will end up with a un safe rifle . If you are not qualified to do this then don't . Make sure the rifle will pass the safety test on full and low power . I am not responsible for your actions . You are . Caution must be taken when ever trigger work is done . Marvin
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Thx Melloroadman,
i fully understand what you mean on safety and responsibility.
It is good of you to mention. My grey hair stands for something i may hope.
I have adjusted many types of triggers but for a new gun to me i have the Modesty to ask if someone has a bright view...you have. thx This is a vision i can get along with.
I have seen guys advice to cut a piece off the top, but that is a to simple, dangerous and irreversible approach.
I am never to old to learn.
thx again
woodland
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Great stuff. Exactly the advice I am looking for.
The Sumatra was on my short list, before I bought the Disco. I decided that the Disco was decidedly more mainstream, and made more sense for my first adult AG purchase. i would have gotten the Disco in .25 if it was available.
Pirate-You say 90fpe and your Sumatras are not tuned. Most reviews say about 50 fpe. Are you really getting that kind of power?
I know none of the bigger bores make any sense for what I want to do. It's an irrational desire, an obsession. Believe me, you guys gently pointing that out does really help me.
These obsessions usually burn out in me after a few months. The only good thing is that I read absolutely everything I can find on my object of obsession, and I've learned an awful lot in the last few months.
Butcher-Melloroadman says that you have gone trough a number of bolts on your 909 guns, and that this might be a big problem on the Recluse and Claw if you shoot a lot. Should I be concerned about this with heavy target use?
I've already ratcheted my "have to have" from a Claw to a Light Hunter, to one of the 9 mm guns. I'm not hunting so I don't really need the power, I'm just having a hard time convincing the reptilian part of my brain that this is so. What's helping is that I have convinced myself that I want a dual tube unit. Since they are not yet available, I have a month to straighten my head out.
Will I ever be happy with pumping for 5 minutes to get maybe 6 shots of declining FPS? I don't know. Somewhere in my brain a lizard tongue must flicking against the sensible bits.
Thanks again, you guys are better than therapy. Then again, I sense some enabling going on ;)
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50 FPE on Sumatra .25 ?...I really belive you might be reading the wrong reviews, 85-90 FPE is normal, with extra heavy ammo 100 FPE has being reported
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Hi,
as for the allen screw..... it is for the adjustable safetycache
The trigger is non-adjustable maybe except for a lighter spring.
pitty that is, thx anyway for the reply.
i'll see what a lighter spring can do.
regards
woodland
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Butcher-Melloroadman says that you have gone trough a number of bolts on your 909 guns, and that this might be a big problem on the Recluse and Claw if you shoot a lot. Should I be concerned about this with heavy target use?
It could be a problem even with a stock spring. The stock spring in mine was modified, so it is a little harder to cock than a regular 909. The last lever I got that was made by SamYang did look a bit beefier than the 909 levers I have received in the past, so maybe SamYang is listening?
After working on a few prototypes with Dave Darnell, I think I finally got a really strong cocking lever that should last forever.
Getting a foster fill adapter for airing-up is also highly recommended.
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save up some more money and buy the xp-airguns ranger 45 , it will be worth every penny you spend , i have a 909 tuned and the xp-ranger 45 ,trust me the 909 in my opinion is a toy compared to the ranger , you pay for what you get when it comes to big bores , the ranger has true fire arm power , you will love it !
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save up some more money and buy the xp-airguns ranger 45 , it will be worth every penny you spend , i have a 909 tuned and the xp-ranger 45 ,trust me the 909 in my opinion is a toy compared to the ranger , you pay for what you get when it comes to big bores , the ranger has true fire arm power , you will love it !
For what he wants/needs, a .357 Corsair with the right spring set-up makes a lot more sense than the .45Ranger. Remember that he is using a hand pump, is not hunting, and wants a practical shot count for target shooting.
The Corsair, and tuned Korean guns are great go-to rifles for everyday-play at HillPump fill pressures. They are in fact "toys" compared to the .45Ranger, but think about it....... isn't a toy just what Tad is looking for?
A 250grain WFN slug out of a tuned SamYang WILL bring a smile to your face when it smacks the steel spinner at 100+yards guaranteed, and there is a lot of dirt cheap .45/.357 plinking ammo available in a variety of weights/nose profiles.
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Woodland there is either a difference between the 201 and the 202 or a difference in opinion about the allen screw . I do know that the head gun smith at PA and 2 tuners that I have spoken too have all stated that that is what the screw is for . I do know it made a difference in my trigger pull as well . After speaking to them about the trigger pull is when they all told me how to adjust it . It worked on my rifle is all that I can say .Marvin
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He melloroad,
Then there must be a difference then between the 201s and the 202s;
it's not an issue of any kind. I a preciate your comments.
I screwed the allen screw in & out and the only thing happened was the stiffness of the safetycath.
It does not touch/move anything else.
I am glad you mentioned the spring i did something with that as well.
read in the fire 202s Sovereign
regards
woodland
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I think you are missing the point here . The allen screw does not move any trigger parts . Re read my post . When you screw the allen out it keeps the trigger unit from going into the receiver as deep . It does not keep the sear from moving in the trigger unit as deep . Works the same way as placing a shim between the air tube and the trigger unit . But it is the way the factory made it to work so a shim would not need to be used . And it only takes a small adjustment to change the pull. No sear alterations are needed . There again this is on a 201 . And I am not responsible for any ones actions other than my own . If in doubt don't do it . Marvin
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Pirate-I'm taking a second look at the Sumatra. It really fits me better than the bigger calibers, but doesn't have the wow factor of the bigger bores.
You are right about the power. It's a little less power than I would like, but the high velocity is intriguing.
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Once you shoot it, you'll go "Wow" :) :)
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Melloroadman,
this is my picture
From what i have seen on your earlier picture it is the same.
Please explain how it works
regards woodland
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If you screw the set screw out so the head comes into contact with the air tube . It lifts the sear up or away from the hammer . Marvin
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Well, a bit of a bump on this thread, but I thought I'd let you guys know. I got the Sumatra 500 .25 cal, it should be here tomorrow. Not a true BB, but I thought you guys would be proud.
I had my eye on the Dragon Slayer at PA. In terms of big bore, I had kind of come to the conclusion that the Career rifles might be my best bet. I'm more looking for accuracy than raw hunting power, and this seems to be the DS niche. I may revisit the bigger bores later, so any comments on the relative accuracies of the Career and Sam Yang rifles would be appreciated
In the end though, the practicality of the Sumatra sealed my decision. Good shot count, the ability to set power from mild to wild, cheaper ammo etc.
Thanks to all, especially Pirate, who sent me back in the direction of the Sumatra
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Well, a bit of a bump on this thread, but I thought I'd let you guys know. I got the Sumatra 500 .25 cal, it should be here tomorrow. Not a true BB, but I thought you guys would be proud.
I had my eye on the Dragon Slayer at PA. In terms of big bore, I had kind of come to the conclusion that the Career rifles might be my best bet. I'm more looking for accuracy than raw hunting power, and this seems to be the DS niche. I may revisit the bigger bores later, so any comments on the relative accuracies of the Career and Sam Yang rifles would be appreciated
In the end though, the practicality of the Sumatra sealed my decision. Good shot count, the ability to set power from mild to wild, cheaper ammo etc.
Thanks to all, especially Pirate, who sent me back in the direction of the Sumatra
I'm sure you'll like it. I guess you could consider .25 to be a "gateway" caliber (no pun intended lol!) You can do a whole lot with a .25 Sumatra...........I need to get one of those myself.
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Thanks for the up date . I have often thought about buying one . But I converted my 201 to a 25 caliber instead . Marvin
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great choice, crogratulation, that gun is in mi wish list
how heavy do you feel it?
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It feels very heavy to me, but my only comparison is the Discovery, which is a pretty light gun
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Congrats!....That baby packs a punch. The carbine is the very near future for me as well.
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airkrazy-mine is the long rifle, so I'm sure it's heavier. First impression is Wow! Even at the very lowest setting (350 fps with 34 gr pellets) it is louder than my Disco. I've been playing mainly at the low-mid end for my tests. Took 1 shot at full power with about 2200 psi fill. A 43 gr EunJin went 968.3 fps, for 90FPE. Not bad for less than half a fill! Being my first (sort-of) big bore, I was impressed with the punch.
Accuracy, so far, is up in the air. The first day I shot I was very impressed. Only a few shots and it was scoped in. Playing around with different settings, I was consistently putting them where I wanted them. Today, however, I played "chase the scope". Giving 2"+ groups at 30 yards. Then it would shoot a tight group, but at a radically different POI. It would shoot well at this POI, then shift back to where it was before. Tightened the scope, not the problem. Frustrating.
I guess I should not be concerned. It seemed like it took like 1000 pellets to get my Disco broken in and get <0.5" groups at 30 yards. I'll clean the Sumatra, and try it again!
When things settle a bit, I'll open a thread on chrony testing etc.
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Both my Summatras don't want to shoot either the 35gr or 45gr eun Jin pellets, but both are one hollers with the 31gr Baracuda,
......If you need I have a brand new Storey LDC in the classified