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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Yng@hrt on February 11, 2017, 06:29:46 AM
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Not sure what to say except I couldn't be more pleased! Here's "Val"...'69 Silver.
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That's a very, very nice rifle you have there. I got my '67 Blue Streak in near mint condition.
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Thanx Terry. Would like to see your '67
On another note; I've read through several old threads on this gate. Not sure which one but IIRC there was a comment concerning new peep sights & webbing. This one has it as well. Just curious as to why?
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WOW!
Just....
WOW
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On another note; I've read through several old threads on this gate. Not sure which one but IIRC there was a comment concerning new peep sights & webbing. This one has it as well. Just curious as to why?
As in seeing what appears like a Spider web when looking trough the Peep?
I think it has to do with our eye more than debris in the orifice. It is junk in our ocular fluid perceived as webs in the peep.
Opening the hole a bit, or buying a insert with a larger orifice, would help. I have seen inserts that have a brass ring around the hole that are supposed to help that.
I don't like having the peep so big you cant easily center the front sight. Would rather have a few "webs" than being able to see the world through it.
My old Mini 14 had a peep so big it was almost useless.
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Nice acquisition !
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Here is my Streak, Marty. First with a set of old Benjamin brass scope mounts and a Simmons 4x32, then with a Sheridan intermount and Leupold 4x28. I found my gun in an antique shop for $85. I replaced the pump cup, pretty certain the rest of the seals are original. It's a hammer.
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w446/sotol11/2013jan193b_zps33156428.jpg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/sotol11/media/2013jan193b_zps33156428.jpg.html)
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w446/sotol11/P6290336%20-%20Copy_zpsclughlxn.jpg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/sotol11/media/P6290336%20-%20Copy_zpsclughlxn.jpg.html)
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On another note; I've read through several old threads on this gate. Not sure which one but IIRC there was a comment concerning new peep sights & webbing. This one has it as well. Just curious as to why?
As in seeing what appears like a Spider web when looking trough the Peep?
I think it has to do with our eye more than debris in the orifice. It is junk in our ocular fluid perceived as webs in the peep.
Opening the hole a bit, or buying a insert with a larger orifice, would help. I have seen inserts that have a brass ring around the hole that are supposed to help that.
I don't like having the peep so big you cant easily center the front sight. Would rather have a few "webs" than being able to see the world through it.
My old Mini 14 had a peep so big it was almost useless.
I looked through the peep late yesterday evening. Just looked through it again at daylight. No webs up close. Shouldered it at normal position & concentrated on sight...webs went away. I think there is a lot to what you've said. It is an incredible sight. Just going to need to train these old eyes. Like it fine just the way it is.
Thanks
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Terry, great looking Dan. Nice find!
...Thanks James.
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Great!
Just for future reference these are what I was trying to describe. http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-accessories/twilight-apertures-prod26077.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-accessories/twilight-apertures-prod26077.aspx)
(http://cdn-us-cf2.yottaa.net/53ff2f503c881650e20004c9/www.brownells.com/v~13.71/userdocs/products/p_080767380_2.jpg?yocs=p_&yoloc=us)
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The webs that you are seeing has to do with the drilled parallel hole in the rear sight. ;)
At one time you could buy a set of tapered reamers that you inserted from the front sight side of a National Match rear sight to eliminate said 'spider webs' (I believe it was Brownells that sold them).
Look a a quality open rear sight. The slot gets wider on the front sight side of the leaf. ;D
Cheers,
Smoketown
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Very very nice silver streak. She looks like it has never been used. Merit makes an adjustable iris for those sights that works well.
http://www.eabco.net/Merit-Peep-Sight-Aperture-for-Williams-and-PeepRib-Sights_p_13475.html (http://www.eabco.net/Merit-Peep-Sight-Aperture-for-Williams-and-PeepRib-Sights_p_13475.html)
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I drill all mine out. I guess you could buy one but, I suppose I could buy already modded guns and forego tinkering. Yeah, I bet that's a ton of fun.
Very nice SS Marty. Don't forget to take it out and shoot it from time to time. They really seem to like that. Store it uncocked with a couple pumps in it. Some thing about taking a 60 - 70 year old gun off the rack that's been hanging there for over a month, cock it and pull the trigger... BANG !! Get's me all warm a fuzzy inside.
Congrats !
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Very nice Silver Streak. Ditto everything said here.
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Lense replacement surgery for my cataracts removed my webs/dustballs .
Ever had your eyes checked for cataracts?
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Thanx for all the nice comments & advice guys. I really appreciate it… & please do not take this the wrong way, but the first person that even comes close to this Williams with a drill will be shot on site.
Kidding aside (come to think of it I wasn’t kidding) I think Scott nailed it in the beginning. My issues stem from never using a peep. Always a scope guy. In a sense I was looking around the peep instead of through it. If that makes sense. As soon as I concentrated on the front sight & blocked all peripheral vision (outside of the peep) the webs disappeared. It is interesting how the eye & mind work in relation to this type application. I think this is the point Scott was trying to make. It is quite an incredible piece of engineering. I also had to get use to the slight angle within the peep. Seemed out of whack at first, adding to the confusion. In addition, I think it’s just about the perfect diameter. Any larger would be harder to zero. At least for me.
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Scott.. said it Best for the pictures of these NICE Guns !. My Best Wishes to All - Tom
WOW!!!
Just....
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just finished firing it off the bench. 1/4" groups right off the bat at 20 yds. Windage is spot on. Elevation is bottomed out & Shooting 3/4" to 1'' above zero with 5 pumps. Is this the norm?
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Just finished firing it off the bench. 1/4" groups right off the bat at 20 yds. Windage is spot on. Elevation is bottomed out & Shooting 3/4" to 1'' above zero with 5 pumps. Is this the norm?
It could be.
What/whos pellets are you shooting?
Try moving the target to 25 or 30 yards.
Cheers,
Smoketown
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I am only a week ahead so others here will know better than I... but mine seems to group a bit better the the heavier Benjamin cylindrical pellets.
At that yardage they might help put it in the elevation your sight needs.
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I'm shooting JSB's 13.73g. What is a little worrisome is it's been my experience these are just beginning to ascend at 20 yds. I'll set the target at 30 yds tomorrow & see what happens.
At this point I am only curious because I do not intend to hunt with this one...sorry to say. The others we purchase will be used for that and I intend to have those scoped. So again, I pose this question only out of curiosity. It could also be that these are not intended for close range shooting...just a guess.
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Scott.. said it Best for the pictures of these NICE Guns !. My Best Wishes to All - Tom
WOW!!!
Just....
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanx Tom!
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I am only a week ahead so others here will know better than I... but mine seems to group a bit better the the heavier Benjamin cylindrical pellets.
At that yardage they might help put it in the elevation your sight needs.
Could be Scott. If things don't work out I'll certainly give those a go.
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This probably doesn't have any implications here but what is the purpose of this fastener?
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that is the elevation screw and the possible reason that you are still shooting high with it "bottomed out"
loosen that screw all the way or take it out, then lower your sight as far as it will go.
with your peep all the way lowered, then screw the screw in until it just makes contact. then when you loosen the screw on the side of the sight a little bit, turning that tiny top screw will slowly raise the sight in elevation in a more controlled fashion than you can do it by hand.
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and no, its not normal for the gun to still shoot high with the peep all the way lowered. I have the williams sight on three sheridans and three benjamins and they are all able to adjust perfectly for elevation and windage.
again, loosen up that top screw and then you may be able to lower your peep enough to get on target.
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sorry for the multiple posts, but I just went back and looked at your pictures 8 and 9 and your peep is definitely not lowered all the way down.
you should be able to lower that thing down until it rests on top of the receiver. you have lots of space between the sight and the receiver.
hmmm, unless of course, those pictures are from before you adjusted the sight, which is probable now that I think about it.
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You nailed it Billy. 8) There's a full 1/8" to the top of the receiver.
Thanx!
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WOW is all I can say.
My '68 Silver W/Factory Williams pales compared to your new baby but mine is in great shape. Yours looks like new. Whats the month date on her? My '68 is a D, so April. My '69 Blue Streak is a C, so March. Have fun and like someone else stated, keep a few pumps in her uncocked and she will last a long time.
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WOW is all I can say.
My '68 Silver W/Factory Williams pales compared to your new baby but mine is in great shape. Yours looks like new. Whats the month date on her? My '68 is a D, so April. My '69 Blue Streak is a C, so March. Have fun and like someone else stated, keep a few pumps in her uncocked and she will last a long time.
If you look at the 9th pic, click on the jpg, you can expand the image & see the date. It is May of 1969. Like yours, it is stamped backwards with E=May. Thanx for asking, & thanks for the complement.
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She's a beauty. Technically, loosen side screw that tightens the elevation slide. Then use top screw to adjust height, it's like a fine adjustment screw. After, getting perfect tighten side screw. Dunzo.
Something I noticed on your Dan. Surprised no body else saw it. It's a flat top breech. Which is correct for that year. But, it's literally flat/smooth. Not grooved like all other Dans I've noticed. Maybe I've just never had a smooth flat top breech model before? Billy any info on this?
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My Blue is smooth...
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u670/Hoosierb17/Hobbies/IMG_20170212_032322643_zpsnl3fh0x6.jpg)
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Flat top receiver began in '68. This link explains all of the changes very well; http://ujays.net/sheridanc.html (http://ujays.net/sheridanc.html)
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I see ujays calls out a "smooth flat top" in March of 68, what Rob is talking about is some had lines cut on top. Usually this (or a "checkering") is used to cut down on glare along the line of sight.
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/161336/943541154/wm_5714604.jpg)
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I see ujays calls out a "smooth flat top" in March of 68, what Rob is talking about is some had lines cut on top. Usually this (or a "checkering") is used to cut down on glare along the line of sight.
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/161336/943541154/wm_5714604.jpg)
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Hmmmmmmmmmm....good ?
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Do not know if one is more desirable than the other as far as "rarity" or if it effects value one way or the other...
Just another curveball in identifying these old 'Dans.
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Ribbed top receivers are pre-'68. Flat top's began in '68.
My guess is the ribbed top receiver began in '52, the year of the 1st production Blue Streak.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A86.J74bWqBY7wUAJzYPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByNWU4cGh1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=1952+Blue+Streak&fr=yhs-iry-fullyhosted_003&hspart=iry&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_003#id=1&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpicturearchive.gunauction.com%2F2301082936%2F8700063%2Fa23b8b65ed3e644a5e3f421a6158ad37.jpg&action=click
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yup, you guys got it.
all sheridan streaks from '49 - 78 were technically flat tops - however the ones from '49 - '68 had grooves cut into them (they never had checkering). From early '68 to early '78 the flat top receivers were smooth - so no grooves. Then in '78, they switched to the round top receivers which they kept until end of production in '90. (after that the C9 receivers were still round but there were other changes like length and profile).
So, nothing strange or rare about any of these variations.
my '51 silver is flat/grooved, my '77 silver is flat/smooth, my '84 blue is round.
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Thanks for clearing that up. The Model A Super Grade & Model B Sporter kept throwing me off the track. I keep forgetting those were special addition models in addition to regular production models.
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She's a beauty. Technically, loosen side screw that tightens the elevation slide. Then use top screw to adjust height, it's like a fine adjustment screw. After, getting perfect tighten side screw. Dunzo.
I should have paid closer attention to your directions Rob. You explained it way back here.
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Ok, let me take a closer look at these Dans I got. Maybe I just don't pay attention. I'm pretty sure a smooth top would have been noticed if one was in my possession. Then again maybe I have too many???
No problem Marty. You where already so close to your mark. No reason to bottom out sight and start from bottom up.
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all sheridan streaks from '49 - 78 were technically flat tops - however the ones from '49 - '68 had grooves cut into them (they never had checkering). From early '68 to early '78 the flat top receivers were smooth - so no grooves. Then in '78, they switched to the round top receivers which they kept until end of production in '90. (after that the C9 receivers were still round but there were other changes like length and profile).
For what it's worth, I've heard the three receiver styles referred to as:
Round Top, Flat Top and Crew Cut. :-X
Cheers,
Smoketown
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This scope mount came highly recommended by a savvy member. My main concern with any base mount for the Sheridan is that it does not cause undo strain on the barrel's solder seam. Does this mount ride above the seam & your thoughts on this mount?
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/product-p/iashba.htm (http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/product-p/iashba.htm)
Thanks.
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Anyone...or did I open a can of worms? :-\
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Not at all!
I don't own one so I didn't chime in... but they come HIGHLY recommended... and Timmy Mac KNOWS his stuff when it comes to Streaks!
I haven't found a comfortable grip when pumping a pumper with a scope mounted. Other than holding the gun with my right hand on the pistol grip and pumping with my left hand. Feels like I am putting strain on the stock mounting bolt. :-\
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Thanx Scott. Placing order...