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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: avator on January 25, 2017, 05:46:21 AM
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Stopped by the pawn shop the other day and ask my buddy Duke if he had anything new for me. He usually gives me first dibs on airgun stuff. He went in the back and brought out a Hatsan Striker 1000s. I had bought one of these from him before but I gave more than double for that one and it's promised to another member on a trade. This one didn't have a scope and all the stock screws were loose to the point where they were ready to fall out. Surely someone had been inside this gun and gave up on it so off to the pawn shop it went. At least that was my thinking. Long story short, Duke let me have it for $20 to be used as a parts gun. Well I got it home and tightened all the screws and cocked the barrel... hmmmm.. that didn't feel to bad at all. I stuck a pellet in and took aim... BANG !! just like a new one. Well, waddayaknow? I have a new tinkerer. Last time I got something like this from old Duke it turned into the Firecat. If ya'll don't know about the Firecat do a search for it. Fun little project. Makes ya wonder what I'm gonna do with this one don't it? Yeah, makes me wonder too.
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Stopped by the supply cage at work and picked up a couple M3x10mm hex screws to tame that gosh aweful trigger. Longer one in the back to lighten it and drill/tap one in the front to shorten it. The FireCat has a 6" barrel. Might have to go a bit longer with this one. Meantime I'll be thinking up a cool theme for Brother Shadow's camo scheme. Maybe some dark ghosty snake thing. Oh yeah, I filled the stock with expanding foam. Stopped that bass drum from booming in my ear. Delrin top hat and Mike Mellick's heavy tar and shrink wrap trick to the spring guide ought to take all the buzz and twang out.
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Al that should smooth it out a lot !
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We shall see..
Bounced out of work at 4:15 am. Home by 4:20. Ten minutes to convince Rambo the Rescue Dog that I would be sleeping on that side of the bed so he and Betty Lou should get to know each other a little better. He complied and Betty Lou in turn decided that she would only enjoy the rest of her sleep in the other bedroom. Rambo and I soon fell fast asleep. Just short of 4 hours later with my first installment of the day's sleep in the books, here we are. The smell of coffee signals me that all is well in Betty Lou land and I have a good shot at breakfast and clean under garments for work tonight. I take it she slept well. Rambo and I did. They say an owner an his dog get more and more alike as time passes. I think this may be correct as we both woke up scratching ourselves in the same area. Just behind the ear,, now you stop that.
I have to admit, after 2 smokes, half a cup of coffee and a BP pill this recliner is beginning to feel pretty permanent. I will attempt to drag myself away from it and the Barret/Jackson auto auction shortly and delve into the "Mad Hatter" project. Oh darn, the cat is out of the bag ain't it? Can't wait to see what kind of camo job Brother Ed comes up with behind that moniker...
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A few pictures because we know the unwritten rules... no pics.. it didn't happen.
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I did some work on a couple old Sheridans for another GTA brother the other day. For some odd reason my ProChrono Digital wouldn't register not one shot. I figured it was a battery problem. I had picked up a battery adapter that converts it from 1 9v to 6 AA. I hadn't put new batteries since I installed it and I just figured they were low. Not True... Today it decides to work flawlessly.... Sorry bout that 19Sheridan57.
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I can't imagine anyone tinkering/modding/tuning without a chrony. Granted I was shooting this gun with open sights but I honestly couldn't tell the velocities were this spread out. Looks like the Mad Hatter needs an enema. It's all good, I was going in anyhow.
Think I'll have some breakfast first..I hate gutting a gun on an empty stomach..... BETTY LOU !!!!
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Let's set some kinda goal...
I'd have to look back but, I think we got somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 fpe out of the FireCat with a 6" barrel.
Should be no problem getting 700 fps and 10+ fpe out of The Mad Hatter with a 10" barrel. The FireCat is relatively easy to cock with that huge handle hanging off the end of it. This break fit farther down on the barrel. Certainly not going to give the leverage as the Cat. Hence the additional 4" on the barrel.... among other reasons such as more power.
One might ask... Why? Why would you chop up a potentially functional air rifle? To which I would simply answer.... cuz I can. Some of us are always looking for that gun strap on and run through the woods without hanging up on branches, pumping 5 - 8 times between shots, dealing with temp sensitive C02 or trudging back to the truck to fill it back up with HPA. Some of us just do well to stumble through the woods and try not to get snake bit, poison ivy or die of age induced exhaustion only to have your rotting remains enjoyed by the very critters that bought us to the woods in the first place. Some of us just have an imagination and too much time on our hands.. I happen to fit somewhere in the middle.
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Funny how homemade French pizza bread with bacon, pepperoni and ham loaded with motz, green peppers and onions for breakfast reduces one's level of energy as opposed to invigorating the urge to press on with a project. I had a good buddy back in Ohio. Anytime someone accused him of dragging his feet he retorted his "go to" response... "These things take time". I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I borrowed it.
Where does the time go? It's already time for the second installment of the day's sleep.
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I need to read this tonight...
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Yeah, things written during induced anxiety are better understood in the same frame of mind.
Anyhow, on the way back to bed I slipped outside to retrieve the gun. Pure addiction forced me to toss a few more pellets down range. Ain't no way that thing is shooting that inconsistently. I think first thing tomorrow morning, right after brunchfastner, I'll put some new batteries in the chrony.
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Will be enjoying following your project! Ever think of writing for a living Bill? Good stuff my friend! ;)
Ed
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I grew up with monthly issues of Field and Stream and Outdoor Life. I can't remember which one but, one of them had a short story in the back pages every month written by Patrick F. McManus. Mr. McManus grew up in the Sand Point, Idaho area and his stories were based on his childhood adventures. I would stand by the window and wait for the mailman to deliver that magazine just like we wait for Big Brown to deliver our air guns now. And pity on any family member who tried to get it before I got to read my story. Mr. McManus has a way of telling a story that puts you right there. You can close your eyes and experience exactly what he did... or says he did. His humor is so dry and his writings are some of the easiest reads I've ever read. When I was in my 30's I fell head over heals for a elementary school teacher from Wa. Her family was LDS and had a huge ranch in Horse Heaven Hills near Yakima. I lived in Seattle. Every weekend I would drive over the Chinook Pass to spend it with her. One evening she asked if I had every read anything from Patrick F. McManus. She had about 4 of his books that were, not only collections of the stories I grew up with but, a half lifetime of new ones. We would sit and read those stories to each other and to ourselves. We would laugh so hard that our bodies just shook and no sound came out. I think when it was all said and done I had amassed no less than 12 of his books. Turns out, it was the only thing her and I had in common. So, when I write I am so influenced by Mr. McManus. I could only hope I could bring the tears of laughter to readers like he did for me. If you haven't... you must read some of his stories.... you will not be able to stop.
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I'll have to check out Mr. McManus! Good luck with your newest Hattie project. ;)
Ed
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Along with a cold snap and trying to adjust to the night shift thing, I've been held up on the project a bit. LOL.. temps in the low 60's is a cold snap.... sorry northerners.. Weatherman says the weekend shows promise for temps in the '70s. I enjoy tinkering at the shooting bench on the deck as opposed to closed up in the shop. I'll run down to the shop to use the mini lathe, drill press, grinder or spring compressor but I have a full set of tinkerer tools at the shooting bench.
Like I said earlier..... These Things Take Time.
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Along with a cold snap .. temps in the low 60's is a cold snap.... sorry northerners..
Pffft... I'd be lookin at shooting CO2 outdoors!
Single digit winds here tonight.... and I got a gun to shoot! >:(
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Well, It's Friday. Hopefully I can get away with an 8 hour shift tonight instead of the normal 11+. I had complained about the boat anchor of a computer in the press office that I've been struggling to create my scheduling on. I have a new one on my desk in the front office. Last night I was surprised when I walked in to find a new one on the desk in the press office. That makes the night a little less frustrating. I have 1 press out of the 12 that will be scheduled to run tomorrow. It's my intention to pop in and make sure I have adequate people to man it and bounce out of there. Hopefully no more than 1 hour if that. Barring further distractions such as another air gun grabbing me as I walk past it, I should be back on the Mad Hatter.
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Just what kind of "Press"
Injection molding?
Compression?
Stamping?
I know we spoke of this in the past but I have experience Maintaining all 3.. at least Managing the Guys who do.
You do have a Maint guy in there also... right?
A broke down line on OT makes for a bad Monday Morning.
;)
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Stamping
Transfer Presses:
1 - 1700 ton
2 - 2300 ton
Tandem Presses:
2 - 1500 ton
1 - 1000 ton
Coil fed Blanking presses:
2-200 ton
1-400 ton
Auto Presses
1-150 ton
1-200 ton
1-250 ton
Complete Tool and Die dept. operating 2 shifts staffed by Korean and American
Complete Maintainance dept. operating 2 shifts staffed by Korean and American
Class A B and C tier 1... Structural and Skin.
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You sir... are ON IT!
Automotive sux.... been there , done that!
You ever hear of The Budd Co. ?
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Can't say I have. Before I got here I was Tool/Die in Columbus, Oh for 10 years with a Honda supplier. Also metal stamping.
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Not uncommon to be unknown... we stamped the first steel auto body panel for I think Olds in 1908.
Little known cars like the 55-57 T-Birds, '65-'70 Mustangs.. Ford Econolines... Niche stuff. ;)
There was a wheel and hub division and still today the lug nuts that have the washer attached are called "Budd Nuts".
I was in Compression Molding for Auto's like the Plymouth Prowler, GM Camaro / Fiebirds, and FoMoCo Mustangs, Ranger and Lincoln Navigator / Continentals...
Then in the new millennium they sold us out to Mexico. :-X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Company)
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Hey Bill,
I'm a big fan of Patrick F. McManus, too. Started reading him in Field and Stream (I think) back in the 7th grade (that would be the 69-70 school year). That convinced me that the school library did have something useful to offer, after all. I have around 8 or so of his books.
That guy is so funny. Remember the story about Rancid Crabtree trying to shoot that "B'ar" that lived out in his brush pile? Patrick (as a kid) was witnessing it all. The bear took off out of the brush pile and Rancid started running. Rancid was wearing a red woodsman shirt. They were running so fast Patrick saw a dirty red streak followed by a black streak. The black streak was gaining on the red streak and then it went past the red streak. He figured Rancid must have been running with his eyes closed because pretty soon the red streak passed the black streak again.
So many times in his stories you have to stop for a minute and marvel at how funny he just was before you can pick up and start reading again.
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Sorry for the derail Bill... as you were.
I Too remember his stories in the back of Field and Stream. probably where I learned to read a magazine "Back to Front".
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I'm not sure if that's when Rancid broke his leg or when they strapped a chair to the front bumper of the pickup truck and he posted up in it with a net to catch grass hoppers... either way he was recovering in his cabin and the boys snuck in and positioned a stuffed cougar over looking his bed. When he woke up and saw it they said his crutches took on the appearance of wagon wheel spokes going down that hill. I forget the rest but.......wow !!!
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Two man tent fever....
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I came to a conclusion this morning...
When I have projects on the bench I need to stay away from the GTA. My morning routine includes coffee, cigarettes and GTA. There are a few other processes and as impressive as they may be, I'll spare ya'll. The problem is GTA... It's like fuel on the fire in my head.
"Oh, I have one of those guns, maybe I should try that..."
"I haven't shot that one in a while.. just a few shots and I'll get to that project..."
" Really? I never even thought about shooting animal crackers, that sounds like fun..."
"That reminds me, I need to place a pellet order.."
"That gun looks interesting,, let me look it up..."
And quite possibly the worst one of all...
"I wonder what's new on the classifieds today?..."
I have every intention of working on the Mad Hatter today... First thing will be putting new batteries in the chrony because I still don't believe that string is correct. And while I have the chrony out I might as well...... Oh dang, there I go again..
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I came to a conclusion this morning...
When I have projects on the bench I need to stay away from the GTA. My morning routine includes coffee, cigarettes and GTA. There are a few other processes and as impressive as they may be, I'll spare ya'll. The problem is GTA... It's like fuel on the fire in my head.
"Oh, I have one of those guns, maybe I should try that..."
"I haven't shot that one in a while.. just a few shots and I'll get to that project..."
" Really? I never even thought about shooting animal crackers, that sounds like fun..."
"That reminds me, I need to place a pellet order.."
"That gun looks interesting,, let me look it up..."
And quite possibly the worst one of all...
"I wonder what's new on the classifieds today?..."
I have every intention of working on the Mad Hatter today... First thing will be putting new batteries in the chrony because I still don't believe that string is correct. And while I have the chrony out I might as well...... Oh dang, there I go again..
It's that the truth!
BTW, did you see this? I'll bet you could get it shooting straight. ;) ;D
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=120902.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=120902.0)
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I did see that..
The thing I found interesting is the string results written in the box..
Mike typically does this when he tunes a gun.. This is one of the things that shows it's a full tune and is eligible for Mike's lifetime transferable warranty. If that is the case, why is this gun acting crazy. Mike would not let it out of the shop unless it was right. And if something happen during shipping or afterwards for that matter, get Mike involved...
Crazy thing is... I recently did some reseal work for another GTA member and that exact amount was just transferred into my PAYPAL account this morning. Sooooo, tempting!!! But alas, the money sitting in the account already funded another recent purchase that Betty Lou signed off on due to the expected funds. But, if she walks past me and taps me on the head one more time..... I swear..
OH WAIT.... I just had another look.... that gun is $25 less than what is in my account..... "BETTY LOU, HUNNY, BABY, SWEETIE, DARLIN ....." I think I'll get up and make some breakfast before I get to that project... Betty Lou needs a break and that's just how I roll.
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*Update*
That attempt failed miserably... *sigh*
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Made it out to the bench...
I wanted to get a base line on this gun. I suspected an issue with my chrony on that previous string. So I replaced the batteries.
Let back up just a bit..
Up until now I had been shooting the gun with open sights. Even with my old eyes it was doing quite well. I wanted to get a better picture of how the accuracy was. The only scope I had laying around was a 4x30 NCStar Compact. I posted this little scope in the bargain gate at $6 and change and a few bucks shipping. You can look it up for the link. A while back I bought 3 or 4 of them for $20 each at that time. After getting the gun on sight I began plinking at 1/2" yardsale stickers on high strength steel blanks at 20 yds. I tested CPHP, Benji HP and Winnie domes. All 3 fit very tight in the breech.... way tight. Seating them consistently was difficult but manageable. So I took a drill bit and my cordless and put a slight bevel on the inlet. I polished it up and did the q-tip test. Lookin good. Pellets still fit tight but much easier to seat without feeling like I was distorting them.
THIS GUN IS A HAMMER !!! I had to put a stop on the barrel to keep the scope from sliding. That will be addressed when I start cutting that spring and taming the beast down. Also, the stock screws worked loose again...another issue that will be addressed in a later stage.
Shooting..tweeking...shooting...tweeking ........and finally, it came in. Winnie domes got the nod. Last 3 shots went in the same hole.... I forgot to get a pic but, I will on my next trip outside.
I ended up shimming the front of the scope to get the gun to shoot low enough without bottoming out the turret. So far, that little scope is taking it like a champ and this ain't the first springer it's been on. For what it is, I can't say enough about that little jewel.
On to the chrony...
It's a tad overcast but the Harbor Freight led lights are working great. Sun is coming to the party nicely though..
I KNEW IT.. I KNEW IT...... low batteries was the issue. I knew this gun was shoot better than that first string. I would have been able to feel and see that much difference.
The first 3 shots was probably me boogering the pellet trying to seat consistently... then I got the hang of it.
9 shot string (disregard the first 3 shots) muzzle at 10 - 12 " for the chrony.
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Showing some real promise... ya think?
I mean... guys, it's a $20 pawn shop gun.
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Looks terrible, better sell it to me for $15 :P
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Wish I'd have known you had a Hatsan you were playing with.
I made several Delrin spring guides for them before I came here to Norfolk.
I would have sent you one to play with.
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Showing some real promise... ya think?
I mean... guys, it's a $20 pawn shop gun.
Sadly, they closed our one and only Pawn shop here... Never had any airguns anyway.
9 shot string (disregard the first 3 shots) muzzle at 10 - 12 " for the chrony.
Glad for you to see those numbers. Pretty darn consistent.
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I need to check a pawn shop that's not far from me, have checked once before but nothing I wanted.
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Wish I'd have known you had a Hatsan you were playing with.
I made several Delrin spring guides for them before I came here to Norfolk.
I would have sent you one to play with.
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Bummer, I'm always late to the party..
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Looks terrible, better sell it to me for $15 :P
LOL.... I told Betty Lou that it was going to be for sale when I'm done with it. Don't know about that... it's like raising a child then kicking out of the nest.
The FireCat started out the same way. The object was to disprove a claim that a Daisy 880 was the only logical light weight utility gun for under $100. You couldn't pry that thing out of my hands now.