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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 => Topic started by: Old Corps on January 18, 2017, 05:24:51 PM
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I'm thinking of buying a used SCBA tank and using this adapter with a scuba fill station I already have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCA2k6vwuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCA2k6vwuY)
Whattaya think guys? I really can't go for a $150+ adapter/hose from JoeB and don't want to look all over to get the parts to make one. Don't want to do anything stupid either! Me thinks the worst that can happen is it leaks, right?
Ed
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Yes, but be very careful, and use quality "0" Rings.
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Tank yes. Adapter thing...um.... I'll replace it as soon as I can.
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Tank yes. Adapter thing...um.... I'll replace it as soon as I can.
That's kinda what I thought. I wuz gonna buy his last one anyway but someone else bought it first. I even called my dive shop to see what a hydro would cost--$29. No biggie. I don't NEED it just found it hard to resist because of the price. I've got a 74 cubic foot cf tank and a scuba tank. Now I don't have to resist anymore, problem solved! ;)
Ed
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Tank yes. Adapter thing...um.... I'll replace it as soon as I can.
That's kinda what I thought. I wuz gonna buy his last one anyway but someone else bought it first. I even called my dive shop to see what a hydro would cost--$29. No biggie. I don't NEED it just found it hard to resist because of the price. I've got a 74 cubic foot cf tank and a scuba tank. Now I don't have to resist anymore, problem solved! ;)
Ed
You are a way better resister than I am. ;D
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You can get the scba hand tight adapter and scuba block from Joe B and still use your scuba fill adapter, just don't fill anything with it over 3000 psi. I have one on the tank pictured, I added a 6000 psi street elbow to it to allow easier connection to the tank when used in this cradle though. Sorry, forgot picture was taken before adding the elbow, makes filling and seeing the gauge much easier.
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You can get the scba hand tight adapter and scuba block from Joe B and still use your scuba fill adapter, just don't fill anything with it over 3000 psi. I have one on the tank pictured, I added a 6000 psi street elbow to it to allow easier connection to the tank when used in this cradle though. Sorry, forgot picture was taken before adding the elbow, makes filling and seeing the gauge much easier.
Thanks for that Tom, appreciate it! How much did that cost?
It wouldn't be used over 3K but the tank would be filled to 4500.
Ed
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You can get the scba hand tight adapter and scuba block from Joe B and still use your scuba fill adapter, just don't fill anything with it over 3000 psi. I have one on the tank pictured, I added a 6000 psi street elbow to it to allow easier connection to the tank when used in this cradle though. Sorry, forgot picture was taken before adding the elbow, makes filling and seeing the gauge much easier.
Thanks for that Tom, appreciate it! How much did that cost?
It wouldn't be used over 3K but the tank would be filled to 4500.
Ed
It's $89.00 from JoeB. Looks like a solid piece. No surprise. All of Joe's stuff appears to be built like a tank...lol...pun intended.
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Thanks Terry! That sounds pretty reasonable. Did you get your foster fitting replacement yet?
Ed
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Thanks Terry! That sounds pretty reasonable. Did you get your foster fitting replacement yet?
Ed
Never got a tracking number until this morning but when I checked it's out for delivery.
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Thanks Terry! That sounds pretty reasonable. Did you get your foster fitting replacement yet?
Ed
Never got a tracking number until this morning but when I checked it's out for delivery.
Good deal. And that regulator from Europe? MIA?
Ed
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Thanks Terry! That sounds pretty reasonable. Did you get your foster fitting replacement yet?
Ed
Never got a tracking number until this morning but when I checked it's out for delivery.
Good deal. And that regulator from Europe? MIA?
Ed
Got notice yesterday that it arrived in Chicago so at least it's on this continent. Sent the tanks for hydro so they'll be back about the time I'm done testing. Tim sent me a smaller TP to test to see if I can even out the ES without the reg.
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Old Corps, yes tank will still fill to 4500 psi, but the scuba fill yoke and hose are only rated to 3000 psi, fine for Marauder or Disco or any 3000 psi charged gun.
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I'm thinking of buying a used SCBA tank and using this adapter with a scuba fill station I already have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCA2k6vwuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCA2k6vwuY)
Whattaya think guys? I really can't go for a $150+ adapter/hose from JoeB and don't want to look all over to get the parts to make one. Don't want to do anything stupid either! Me thinks the worst that can happen is it leaks, right?
Ed
Hi All, I am waiting on delivery (1/20/'17) of a 45 minute (65 CF) Scott tank (4500 psi) from the fella that made this video. Born date = 2008. His Name is Noel and a GTA member (Pompilla) from CA. He has / had? an ad in the Members Classified Gate for these tanks and I bought one from him. After I get the first tank, I'm thinking of another one since he offered a price break. The first tank was $150, free shipping, no hydro. He charges me $20 for an adapter that fits the scuba yoke fill station. If anyone in the Aurora IL area knows of a hydro test supplier please leave a note here or PM me. Looking forward to this new huge-to-me air source for my 3000 psi fills on 3 Hatsans. Dave
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Dave,
I recently bought a SCBA fire fighter tank from Ebay. I had my tank hydrotested at a fire extinguisher service store. I think I paid $49 for the hydro and they serviced the valve, replaced an o-ring and watched it overnight to make sure it didn't leak. Also they left the tank full of 4500 psi air.
The store was a couple blocks off my route to work. So I dropped it off in the morning and picked up the next day after work.
http://reliablefire.com/ (http://reliablefire.com/) You may have a similar business in your area.
Taso
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I'm thinking of buying a used SCBA tank and using this adapter with a scuba fill station I already have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCA2k6vwuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCA2k6vwuY)
Whattaya think guys? I really can't go for a $150+ adapter/hose from JoeB and don't want to look all over to get the parts to make one. Don't want to do anything stupid either! Me thinks the worst that can happen is it leaks, right?
Ed
Hi All, I am waiting on delivery (1/20/'17) of a 45 minute (65 CF) Scott tank (4500 psi) from the fella that made this video. Born date = 2008. His Name is Noel and a GTA member (Pompilla) from CA. He has / had? an ad in the Members Classified Gate for these tanks and I bought one from him. After I get the first tank, I'm thinking of another one since he offered a price break. The first tank was $150, free shipping, no hydro. He charges me $20 for an adapter that fits the scuba yoke fill station. If anyone in the Aurora IL area knows of a hydro test supplier please leave a note here or PM me. Looking forward to this new huge-to-me air source for my 3000 psi fills on 3 Hatsans. Dave
Hi Dave. I bought the other 2 tanks from Noel. Tanks are nice. Mine are getting the hydros done right now. I'm not super impressed with the adapter for the scuba yoke. I think it will work but I'm going to buy a fill station from Joe B (airtanksforsale.com) or a Stikman fill station (airtanksplus.com).
Have you found a place local to you to fill the tank? They will likely know where to get the hydro done. I found a fire and safety store in my town that does them for $30. Paintball place in my town will fill them for $12.
Terry
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Terry,
I was leery of using a 3000 psi rated scuba adapter on a 4500 psi tank as shown in the video. I like the peace of mind of having all my components rated for 4500 psi and over.
It really isn't all that more price wise for the higher rated parts. I just received my first order from North Shore Compressor & Machine of two hand tight cga-347 adapters, a female quick disconnect and a npt nipple. I bought two regulated fill stations from ebay that I need to setup and test. I placed the order Tuesday morning and received it today. Pretty quick shipping from Minnesota to suburbs outside of Chicago.
Taso
P.S. Did anyone else's heart skip a beat when the tank started rolling off the bench in the video? Mine definitely did. :o
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Terry,
I was leery of using a 3000 psi rated scuba adapter on a 4500 psi tank as shown in the video. I like the peace of mind of having all my components rated for 4500 psi and over.
It really isn't all that more price wise for the higher rated parts. I just received my first order from North Shore Compressor & Machine of two hand tight cga-347 adapters, a female quick disconnect and a npt nipple. I bought two regulated fill stations from ebay that I need to setup and test. I placed the order Tuesday morning and received it today. Pretty quick shipping from Minnesota to suburbs outside of Chicago.
Taso
P.S. Did anyone else's heart skip a beat when the tank started rolling off the bench in the video? Mine definitely did. :o
Agree. I'll check out North Shore Compressor & Machine. I'm going to buy/make/whatever some sort of feet/stand for the tanks to secure them. I ordered a couple of Air Venturi Velcro handles from Pyramyd Air already. Don't think you can beat the AV handles for $9 with the 10% off code.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-air-tank-carrier-with-logo-large-fits-av-4500hpt-other-5?a=4567 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-air-tank-carrier-with-logo-large-fits-av-4500hpt-other-5?a=4567)
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Terry,
That's an excellent find! Now to find some feet to put through the straps to stop rolling. ;D
Taso
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I use one of those AV carriers with my 74 cu. ft. AV tank. Works great, so much easier to tote the tank around. ;)
Ed
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Just thought I'd add this bit of information, the dive shop I use in Nashville uses the same scba adapter with a K valve yoke block for filling my 4500 psi tank. Those parts are rated for that much pressure, and as long as you're not filling beyond 3000 psi the old K valve yoke and hose are fine. If I ever get a gun that requires more than a 3000 psi fill I will for sure upgrade my hose and bleed valve yoke assy. Gotta stay safe, just didn't want anyone to think that what I am using now is unsafe.
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Just thought I'd add this bit of information, the dive shop I use in Nashville uses the same scba adapter with a K valve yoke block for filling my 4500 psi tank. Those parts are rated for that much pressure, and as long as you're not filling beyond 3000 psi the old K valve yoke and hose are fine. If I ever get a gun that requires more than a 3000 psi fill I will for sure upgrade my hose and bleed valve yoke assy. Gotta stay safe, just didn't want anyone to think that what I am using now is unsafe.
Makes sense to me. I usually don't fill to more than 2800-2900 psi anyway. I don't even have a scba tank yet but if I did I might use that adapter. If it's safe with my 3K scuba tank it should be safe for fills up to 3K on guns. I use my AV 4500 carbon fiber tank for fills on my MRod & AT44 now. It has it's own adapter/hose. The scuba is used with the Disco.
Ed
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Just thought I'd add this bit of information, the dive shop I use in Nashville uses the same scba adapter with a K valve yoke block for filling my 4500 psi tank. Those parts are rated for that much pressure, and as long as you're not filling beyond 3000 psi the old K valve yoke and hose are fine. If I ever get a gun that requires more than a 3000 psi fill I will for sure upgrade my hose and bleed valve yoke assy. Gotta stay safe, just didn't want anyone to think that what I am using now is unsafe.
Makes sense to me. I usually don't fill to more than 2800-2900 psi anyway. I don't even have a scba tank yet but if I did I might use that adapter. If it safe with my 3K scuba tank it should be safe for fills up to 3K on guns. I use my AV 4500 carbon fiber tank for fills on my MRod & AT44 now. It has it's own adapter/hose. The scuba is used with the Disco.
Ed
Agree. Using the scuba yoke is fine but needs a real adapter vs the one that came with the tanks.
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Great discussion All. I purchased the 45 minute SCBA tank and adapter from Noel also. I have the hydro test figured out now and have spoken to my 4.5K psi paintball refiller about airing up the tank in the future. He said he needs the Foster fitting to hook up to his equipment. So that means I will be filling the SCBA tank through the scuba yoke fill station. The gauge on my fill station is maxed out at 5,000 psi. I will only filling 3 Hatsans to 2900 psi Are there any concerns about filling the tank through the scuba yoke? I hope this is clear as mud... Dave
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Great discussion All. I purchased the 45 minute SCBA tank and adapter from Noel also. I have the hydro test figured out now and have spoken to my 4.5K psi paintball refiller about airing up the tank in the future. He said he needs the Foster fitting to hook up to his equipment. So that means I will be filling the SCBA tank through the scuba yoke fill station. The gauge on my fill station is maxed out at 5,000 psi. I will only filling 3 Hatsans to 2900 psi Are there any concerns about filling the tank through the scuba yoke? I hope this is clear as mud... Dave
Not sure about what you got but I did put Noel's fitting and the Ebay SCUBA yoke fill station together today and there is no way that it's going to work. The o ring that he sent fits in the yoke...where there is not supposed to be an o ring. The sealing o ring is supposed to be on the block on the tank not on the yoke. The part on his fitting does not reach the o ring. It's also off center when tightened down. I had hoped to use this setup and then get something better down the road but now not sure what I'm going to do. ::)
Here are the options as I see them. Either buy a SCBA to SCUBA adapter from Joe @ Airtanksforsale.com for $89.00 plus shipping and use the SCUBA yoke fill station or buy a complete fill station with the SCBA hand tight fitting from Joe or the Stikman fill system from Roger @ Airtanksplus.com. I've decided to get the Stikman. It's a cool system and a little cheaper. No funds at the moment so I guess I'll have tanks and no way to use them for a couple of weeks. >:(
As far as filling the tank at the paintball store I bought a hand tite and male foster from Airtanksplus.com to simplify the filling process since that will fit directly on the SCBA valve. There is a male to male foster that in theory could be attached to the SCUBA yoke hose in order to fill the tank but that's not a good idea.
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Dave,
You could make the adapter he is asking about or North Shore Compressor & Machine has one ready made:
http://www.northshorecompressor.com/products/SCBA-to-Paintball-Rigid-Fill-Assembly.html (http://www.northshorecompressor.com/products/SCBA-to-Paintball-Rigid-Fill-Assembly.html)
I don't know if you need it male or female or if you need the bleeder.
I need to make an adapter to fill my tank from my Shoebox. Basically the same as the link but I don't need the bleeder. It should run $57 plus shipping. I would have ordered it today but they're out of the cga 347 hand tight adapter. :-\
Taso
EDIT: I forgot to add, I already have a microbore extension hose. Male on one side and female on the other. Both are quick disconnects.
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You don't want to try and fill a tank to 4500 psi through a 3000 psi K valve scuba yoke, that could be disastrous. Hopefully the people at the dive shop or paintball shop would never let that happen.
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You don't want to try and fill a tank to 4500 psi through a 3000 psi K valve scuba yoke, that could be disastrous. Hopefully the people at the dive shop or paintball shop would never let that happen.
+1! Amen to that! :o
Ed
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What I bought was this...
(http://airtanksplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ss-male-foster-fitting-w-female-1-4-npt-768x768.png)
To go with this....
(http://airtanksplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/scba-hand-tight-fill-adapter-14NPTCGA-347-HT-2.png)
I plan to use this for filling the tanks at the paintball store. Cost $40 for the setup. Joe sells the same sort of thing in an assembly for $89.
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What I bought was this...
(http://airtanksplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/ss-male-foster-fitting-w-female-1-4-npt-768x768.png)
To go with this....
(http://airtanksplus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/scba-hand-tight-fill-adapter-14NPTCGA-347-HT-2.png)
I plan to use this for filling the tanks at the paintball store. Cost $40 for the setup. Joe sells the same sort of thing in an assembly for $89.
This is the solution I want to go with also to refill the SCBA tank at the paintball shop to 4.5K psi. Can you tell where you order the parts for that $$?
Now, to fill my air tube on the Hatsans to 3000 psi, it appears I just add a bleeder valve to the center of this assy, and add a micro hose (FEMALE foster QUICK DISCONNECTS on BOTH ENDS (for the fill probe on the air tube on the AG.
In the far future then I have the ability to cascade the system by adding a male foster fitting with male thds to the scuba fill station?
Bottom line it appears we agree the adapter from Noel to connect the SCBA valve to the scuba yoke is not going to work?
BTW, I added a signature to my profile, about time! Dave
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Hi Dave. Those fittings are at airtanksplus.com.
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This the assy Noel sent with the SCBA tank...
I took it apart with a 13mm deep well socket and a 3/4" open end wrench. I plan on using the current CGA347 hand tight SCBA adapter and add bleeder valve with 1/4" NPT fittings, a reducer from 1/4 to 1/8", and finally a male Foster fitting to connect to my AG or the compressor at the paintball shop. All the parts are rated at 6K psi. That should air up the SCBA tank safely... Do you concur? Please shout out if I'm off base on this ! Dave
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Yes but you won't need the bleeder. The paintball place will have that on their fill equipment. I took mine apart as well. The inner part on mine looks a little wonky. That's why I decided just to get everything new.
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Yes but you won't need the bleeder. The paintball place will have that on their fill equipment. I took mine apart as well. The inner part on mine looks a little wonky. That's why I decided just to get everything new.
Wouldn't a bleeder be necessary to bleed off the air in the hill hose after filling the gun??? ??? Am I missing something here......probably. :-\
Ed
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Yes but you won't need the bleeder. The paintball place will have that on their fill equipment. I took mine apart as well. The inner part on mine looks a little wonky. That's why I decided just to get everything new.
Wouldn't a bleeder be necessary to bleed off the air in the hill hose after filling the gun??? ??? Am I missing something here......probably. :-\
Ed
Hi Ed. This is for filling the tank at the paintball store not for filling the gun.
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Ohhhhhh. :-[ Gotcha! Fortunately, my dive shop has the equipment to fill scba tanks. When I asked he said "if it holds air, we can fill it". :)
Ed
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Hi guys, I edited my post to say I added the bleeder valve to my adapter so I can fill my Hatsans. It should also work for my paintball store to fill the SCBA tank to 4.5K psi. I still need a HPA hose though to air up the rifles. All the parts I bought are 6K psi rated. Dave
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The Ninja Microbore hose extension is $45 on Amazon and other places.
https://www.amazon.com/Ninja-Paintball-Microbore-Fill-Extension/dp/B00IN6I26W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485153944&sr=8-1&keywords=ninja+microbore+extension (https://www.amazon.com/Ninja-Paintball-Microbore-Fill-Extension/dp/B00IN6I26W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485153944&sr=8-1&keywords=ninja+microbore+extension)
Taso
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The Ninja Microbore hose extension is $45 on Amazon and other places.
https://www.amazon.com/Ninja-Paintball-Microbore-Fill-Extension/dp/B00IN6I26W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485153944&sr=8-1&keywords=ninja+microbore+extension (https://www.amazon.com/Ninja-Paintball-Microbore-Fill-Extension/dp/B00IN6I26W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485153944&sr=8-1&keywords=ninja+microbore+extension)
Taso
I put one of those on my Barska hand pump. Much more flexible and easier to hook up than the oem hose.
Ed
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I copied a picture of what I intend the final fill station to look like for my scba tank. For now I'm thinking of a male Foster fitting on the end for refilling purposes. But after thinking about it for a while, I might go with the picture then use a double ended male Foster fitting. That way I just take the male to male fitting off to connect the hose to fill the AG. We'll see when the parts arrive. I'm headed to the hydro shop tomorrow to get the scba tank tested and filled. Hope it works OK. Never done this before. Dave
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I think I'd get the set-up as pictured and the double male fitting as you mentioned. It'd be more versatile that way. JMO
Ed
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I think I'd get the set-up as pictured and the double male fitting as you mentioned. It'd be more versatile that way. JMO
Ed
Thank you Ed for the advice. I agree. I'm using the CGA347 valve that came with the tank so my cost is attractive to get the 6Kpsi rated parts. I hope TerryH is making progress with his scba fill project also. Dave
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I copied a picture of what I intend the final fill station to look like for my scba tank. For now I'm thinking of a male Foster fitting on the end for refilling purposes. But after thinking about it for a while, I might go with the picture then use a double ended male Foster fitting. That way I just take the male to male fitting off to connect the hose to fill the AG. We'll see when the parts arrive. I'm headed to the hydro shop tomorrow to get the scba tank tested and filled. Hope it works OK. Never done this before. Dave
Hi Dave. I am putting together my fill station now. I found a local place that has 6k fittings. I bought the fittings and a nice 5k glycerin filled gauge. Waiting on a inline bleeder now form Air Tanks Plus and then I should be good to go.
I personally would not fill the gun without a gauge on that fill station. It will work without one but I feel safer seeing exactly what's goin on.
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This is the gauge I found at my local Parker store. Super nice gauge for $33.68. I put the complete fill station together for 130.00 using a Ninja microbore hose assy. Not much savings over the premade systems but some anyway.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/488/32354434892_93c74d0d22_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ri3Whm)
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Thanks TerryH, more great ideas. I can see a "T" and gauge in my future. The gauge is nice and big, easy to read. I was told today the scba hydro and fill should be done Monday. 1/30. Plenty of time to fine tune the scba fill station take air in and also fill the Hatsans. BTW, the Armada looks great too. New pellets on the way from PA too. The Bullboss twins are going to get a workout soon ! Dave
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Good deal Dave! I should have mine back from hydro this week hoping to get them filled on Saturday. Begged permission from Cheryl to piece the fill station together. The pump really does hurt my back. No, really.
I think I'll have about $175 in the whole thing with capability to cascade both my tanks if I use the scba base that came with the tanks. Hopefully it will work ok