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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: ignantmike on April 30, 2011, 09:44:49 AM
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could you guys give me skinny on these rifles....i have a deal pending with someone to get it....the guy is going to check it and make sure it shoots good.....he told me it was his fathers gun.....so, i'm guess it has some miles on it....said its never been out of the house...only shot inside......and he never shot it that much.....also, i've read that heavier pellets seem to work better in it...its a .177cal....i know each rifle is different...but, could you give me a starting place on what pellets to start with?......thank's for any info...
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your gonna get alot of differing opinions here, but in my experience with these guns is the 10 to 10.5gr pellets seem to work the best for the shot cycle of this type of rifle which is going to aid in better accuracy. Its also going to depend on velocity of the rifle and how you plan to use it. ;)
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I had a used one and it was a good gun, but mis-represented by the seller. Parts had been replaced and removed... and while it was easy enough to get them, they were expensive. He said it had a tin of pellets through, and apparently I should have asked how big a tin. I had a TF21, and decided I didn't need both, and sold the 48. By that time it was a decent shooter and looked nearly new.
It is a heavy gun. It is powerful. Because of the latter, I was using heavier pellets to slow it down and enhance the accuracy.
Here are some things to look for. To know the age of the gun, find out the date stamped on the receiver. Mine said 04/00 which is april 2000... would have told me a lot about the age of the gun and probability that it had a tin of pellets through. Take a look at the the cocking handle cover... a lot of wear will suggest a lot of use. A lot of use may not be bad, as the gun might be broken in rather than broken. Check the cocking arm rod, and pins. The pins should be black, and not too worn, rusted, or replaced with some kind of steel screw. The stock should be a meter of wear and tear. A really old gun will probably have a few dings. It doesn't need to have gouges, blatant attempts at refinishing, or cracks. The bluing should NOT be rusting. Pay attention to the bluing on the barrel... if it is brownish or yellowish, the barrel sleeve has been removed -- probably because of scratching or rusting. Check the breach for rust, and rust removal. Watch out for spray-painted chrome or spray painting inside the tube. It is my experience that these tubes can tell you a lot about the gun and how it was cared for... or restored. if you are buying through the internet, ask for CLEARLY FOCUSED pictures of all of these.
When anyone starts making claims about a gun like that never having been outside, I start to wonder why they 'd told me. It isn't well-known for being an indoor gun (which suggests shorter distances and less power). If the father was enthusiastic enough about airguns to get something as expensive as an RWS48, he probably shot it in the yard at least, unless he lived in the city. Why focus on that point? I find if someone is going to tell lies about a gun, they'll be pretty fluid about the lies... find one and you should expect more.
I've bought/traded a lot of guns online, and have to say I generally get a good deal and a fair product. 9 of the ones listed in my signature were bought from individuals. I've gotten a few jolts when I wasn't savvy enough to ask the right questions, but probably an equal and greater number of guns that were better than expected (my Cometa Fusion, Cometa 400, mod 100, storm classic, BS4, and 2800 -- all much better than the price I paid for them). But that doesn't stop me from being careful with every used gun purchase.
If you have pictures and information, why not post it all here so we can all take a look?
Richard
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i don't have any pics yet....found the gun on another web site....for rim fires....i'm thinking he's a good guy....has alot of post's on the other site....i'll ask for more info....
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I find that MOST sellers are good people. It is a sometimes thing that they don't even know much about their own guns. I don't think you need to be crazy about nudging for information, but any reluctance to give it to you would speak volumes, and not doing due-dilligence as a buyer would possibly leave you in a situation where you buy something you shouldn't-ought-not-to-have... Sorta fun to help out... like buying by proxy, and I don't have to spend my own $$ ;-)
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o.k....are older model 48's any better than newer?.....
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I think you'll have varied opinions on that. Some might wonder if the newer models might be having to compete in the new market and may compromise some... dunno myself. What I do know is that every part I bought new from UMAREX fit perfect on that 10-year-old 48, and all seemed to be of the right quality.
Richard
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I have one in .20 cal and love it, great hunting rifle. Small overall length, nice balance, points well, built well, very powerful, accurate, easy to install a sling, just a great overall rifle, I love mine. I would also agree that with the power of the rifle I would use heavier pellets to help harness and channel the power. Best of luck with yours if you do in fact buy it.
Jeff
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i agree with the other posters...you ask a hundred people about these guns and i think you'll get 98 differnt answers and two folks will agree. i shot heavy pellets out of mine(RWS52 .177) for awhile, ran out of those switched to lighter pellets, that i had on hand and the gun didn't care....its one of those non-fussy guns. i shoot Jsb's 8.4 outta mine, but with the raw power of these i won't go any lighter. the one question all RWS48-52 owners will agree on is they are well made and simply a pleasure to shoot...i hope your deal goes through smooth and she's a safe queen begging to get out side and play...keep us posted...Bart
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Bart! I think you are right. Not a very fussy gun, but I think the idea of using heavier pellets is technically a consideration as the science suggests it will keep you in a better and more accurate velocity range (not to mention with better continued velocity).
Funny we are mostly agreeing, as disagreement is usually the mode...
Richard
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heheh yup richard....this gun is like the GTA....all will agree it's great...in differn't ways...hehe bart
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I had a rws 48.22 which was one of my first purchases and im so stupid for selling her ,i regret it everytime the subject comes up i sold it for the same price i bought it for three month after which back in 2008 i paid 300.00 brand new from impact ags that went out of buissness back then ,they are very accurate ,powerful ,nice trigger ,smooth ,heavy but balanced ,i used to shoot it everyday for three weeks in a row and never had any issue and my stock was different cause it was darker than most ..this is one purchase i wouldn mind getting again and if i could get the same cal as jeffs i would cause i love .20 cals but hard to get ...using heavier pellets on magnum rated ags is mostly what many of us do just to keep it accurate the slower the pellets flies from the weight the better the accuratecy...lighter pellets will give you some accuratecy but it all depends on distance but not recommendable........for my .22 i used 16 grain to 18 grains and thats enough for hunting small game out to 40yds or targetting ...bob, charlie da tuna website has plenty info on what is recommendable ,i learned using that site ....jorge
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heres some pics.....date code is 07/88...he shot it and said it felt full power....went through a 1/2" plywood...piece of carpet...and an foam archery target were it stopped....what do you think?
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I think thats a nice gun, it has a T01 trigger, and it will probly need to have a new spring and seals so add that in to your trade costs! and that date is correct 07 1988.
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Very nice. With a tune kit IMO these are one of the most accurate rifles. I got a 52 (same gun different stock)with a VRT tune kit and it is one of my best shooters. I rarely miss with it. H&N Field target trophys 8.6 grain I find the best. H&N Barracudas 10.6 are also good. Dustin
Here's a 5 shot group
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where do you guys buy parts?.....checked umarex web site and couldnt find any parts.....
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I have a 48 in 177 that is only slightly newer than that one. It has never had anything at all done to it. It shoots great and likes Crosman Premier Lights as its favorite pellet. I have hunted and killed all sorts of critters with it. As a matter of fact, my longest kill shot with an airgun to date,was with this gun. It was a dove that I shot from 83 yards. I cant say enough good about mine. I hope you get as much enjoyment from that one as I have from mine. If you end up getting it.
Richard
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do you guys scope them?....or just use open sights?....thank's for all the info so far
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I put a Center Point 4x16 on mine and like it a lot. But dont forget that youll need a droop compensating mount for the 48.
Richard
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droop compensating mount?????...also, could one put on peep style sights????
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Vortek Products sell tuning kits for these rifles, so does JM, and yes scope it, I use a Leapers 3x9x40 aomd scope on mine with a UTG mount and low rings this is a very good combo on one of these rifles! :P
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Here's mine. M48 TO1 in .177. I bought back in the late 90's from Gander Mountain (Cabelas). I sold it to my neighbor for $150 about a year ago but just recently purchased it back from him about a month and a half ago for $50. Good deal huh? He painted it some ugly desert tan color but I stripped and sanded it down and re-stained it myself. I'm averaging 903 fps with JSB Exact 8.44gr, 790 fps with JSB Exact Heavys 10.34gr, 722 fps with H&N Baracudas 10.65gr. The numbers seem low to me and I think it's time for a home tune with a Vortek kit.
Here's my neighbors ugly rattle can paint job after I bought it back from him.
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Stripped and sanded it down to bare wood.
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I re-stained it with one coat of Minwax Red Chestnut and four coats of Minwax Wipe-on Poly.
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how does the t01 trigger compare to newer models?.....thank's
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If I'm comparing it to my T06 M34 Classic, it's about the same after I made some adjustments to the T01 trigger. The only difference is the plastic trigger blade. My T01 M48's trigger is very predictable. I can call my shots once it goes off.
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where do you guys buy parts?.....checked umarex web site and couldnt find any parts.....
Here's JM's site
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251327.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251327.htm)
The VRT kit
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/6962763.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/6962763.htm)
ZRT kit
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/8533197.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/8533197.htm)
GSX kit
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/8375427.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/8375427.htm)
Piston Seals
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/43075.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/43075.htm)
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/834672.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/834672.htm)
And the Lubes
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251484/4169286.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251484/4169286.htm)
Dustin
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droop compensating mount?????...also, could one put on peep style sights????
On most RWS rifles the barrels point a little downward. They do this for the open sites. Problem is when you put a scope on you can run out of adjustment as the receiver of the rifle is not level with the barrel. Special mounts are available to compensate this.
And yes you can use a peep site.
In the pic you can see the rear of my scope is higher then the front.
Dustin
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thanks alot gents.....you guys are great....one more question....maybe ;D......does anyone use peep sights?....if so, how do you like them?.....
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I think darryl uses Peeps on his rifles so maybe he'll chime in and let us know!
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i received the 48 today ;D......look's good....maybe i'll take some more pics of it.....now to get more pellets to shoot.......
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good deal keep us infromed on your progress!