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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/745868/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-air-rifle-177-caliber-pellet-black-synthetic-stock-matte-barrel (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/745868/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-air-rifle-177-caliber-pellet-black-synthetic-stock-matte-barrel)
Now I've seen everything. Either earth shattering or soon to be collectors piece, can't tell which. Dave
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A 1077 pcp. This could be very interesting.
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That was my thinking as well, a 1077 on air.
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A PCP plinker. The larger ramification is the continuing lowering of PCP air gun prices and availability.
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New offerings from Benjamin, a 1077 pcp.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/745868/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-air-rifle-177-caliber-pellet-black-synthetic-stock-matte-barrel (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/745868/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-air-rifle-177-caliber-pellet-black-synthetic-stock-matte-barrel)
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I like that !!!!!
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you didn't mention the best part: semi-auto!!
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I like it also!!! Getting one now.
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That is very interesting. I agree, is a pcp gun cheaper to manufacture than pcp? Or is pcp the hot thing now and Crosman is trying to capture more market share?
Taso
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I like that !!!!!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!
HE LIKES IT, HE REALLY LIKES IT!
Joe
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Dang! That can be serious rat sniper..
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want it!!!
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Dang! That can be serious rat sniper..
DITTO!!!!!
Now I don't have to build one.
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Got one coming! How they do it so cheaply bewilders me.
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It's going to be a rage I'm sure
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I like it
Guess I will have to get one
Thank you Joe!!
Dave
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Double action mechanism? How light is the trigger pull? I've never shot a 1077..
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Looks like a nice offering IF: the trigger isn't as horrible as a 1077 and IF it doesn't have a leakage problem like the 1077. That double action trigger pull is way out the door. MHO. ;) ;)
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Looks like a nice offering IF: the trigger isn't as horrible as a 1077 and IF it doesn't have a leakage problem like the 1077. That double action trigger pull is way out the door. MHO. ;) ;)
yep trigger will be awful but should be fun plinker. Price is good.
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I want to like it...but...have played with 1077's before. May get one someday (if they really do get marketed), but will let others go first on this one.
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I'm trying not to think about it , or I'll be posting in the what did you order today thread ::)
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For all its lack of pedigree and double-action revolver trigger, the 1077 is a plinking rifle that I can point and shoot off-hand better than most (that really doesn't say much though). :D
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OK, 3 threads of the same thing,.....time to combine them :) :)
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The 1077 gets picked on a lot here ...Ive had one for over a year ,shot the &^^& out of it...zero problems...I'm a fan of the 1077 and will probably get one of these or maybe wait for wood....lol
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OK, 3 threads of the same thing,.....time to combine them :) :)
Agreed...I didn't see the first.
Now lets put this into an ATI stock. 1077 pellet clone of the 10/22... ;)
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Very little info, nobody has seen it, shot it, or taken it apart. No sale for me.
Steve
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Well yeah...no one has seen it, shot it or taken it apart. It hasn't been released yet. Dave and I will see it next week at Shot Show 2017. But if you ever shot or handled a Crosman 1077, then you pretty much have dealt with one. And for the price point, what does one expect. Perfect plinker/rat buster.
Joe
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Oldpro, where did you find one?
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Oldpro, where did you find one?
Midway USA...my first post on this thread has the link.
Joe
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OK, 3 threads of the same thing,.....time to combine them :) :)
Agreed...I didn't see the first.
Now lets put this into an ATI stock. 1077 pellet clone of the 10/22... ;)
That is a fantastic Idea :)
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Is the receiver plastic? I'm certainly interested, pending accuracy tests.
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I will get one to play with since I have an EARLY 1077 ...which isn't all that awesome, maybe because it was an early version...but this will be gift to someone I know that NEEDS to get into PCP (After I study it for scientific reasons)
This one thing that might make me uncomfortable is the lonnnggggg trigger and the floaty barrel... but for the price...everyone needs to get one.
The whole concept has been a long time coming...I have thought this would be a good suspect for PCP conversion all along.
this will be a big hit I think
:D
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Be nice if the wood stock 1077 will fit on that. Looks like it should with no tweaks. If little tweaks are needed can't be much more than sanding some wood.
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Mmmmmmm...I'll stick with my monsoon in .177
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Fired off email to TKO, much to my surprise got a answer....the front sight is not removable, so no TKO unless gun becomes popular, then they will work something up...
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Fired off email to TKO, much to my surprise got a answer....the front sight is not removable, so no TKO unless gun becomes popular, then they will work something up...
You can get a 1/2-20 adapter that slips over the front sight barrel. And get a TKO in 1/2-20.
But firing my 1077 a lot of gas escapes from the bottom. So doubt it will help any bit.
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Oldpro, where did you find one?
Midway USA...my first post on this thread has the link.
Joe
Midway doesn't have them for sale or preorder.
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Mmmmmmm...I'll stick with my monsoon in .177
If you have the disposable income, by all means. Considering you can buy 10 wildfires for the price of ONE Monsoon; I doubt it's an option for many.
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Mmmmmmm...I'll stick with my monsoon in .177
If you have the disposable income, by all means. Considering you can buy 10 wildfires for the price of ONE Monsoon; I doubt it's an option for many.
Right? I love people who waltz in and do that. "Hmmm, a $130 gun that's focused on fun/plinking? I think I'll stick with my $1300 gun that does everything better..."
Well, no @$%^! I'd stick with a $1300 gun too...if I wasn't a college student!
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Mmmmmmm...I'll stick with my monsoon in .177
C'mon now, rifles aren't even in the same ballpark,.....but for 140 bucks this new crosman could definitely be a fun little ad on.
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looks like a fun plinker. I could have used one of these as a kid shooting sparrows in barns at night.
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I put in my name for notification when their overdue stock comes in. Nice to know about the front sight, thanks. Midway also has a $10 off over $100 going on if it's not on the sale list. I thought I'd give it a try. The Darkside got me in June '16 this will be PCP #5... Dang you guys! Dave
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Oldpro, where did you find one?
I know a few people 8)
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I enjoyed my 1077, but didn't like the cool down.
$140?
60 shots on a 2000psi fill?
I will bite on that..
Yes it's "double action" trigger.
But it's got fun written all over it..
Possible wood stock option?
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My main question is if they put a real barrel on it, or left the pencil barrel..
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Oldpro, where did you find one?
I know a few people 8)
Luckeeeeee
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Me want.
2000# fill, semi-auto. Low cost. Crosman just changed the game. This is just about "Disposable cash".
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I've never played with a 1077 but I love my maximus so this looks appealing to me. Is the trigger that bad though? Are there any mods that make them better? I installed a brass trigger to my maximus to fix that one that's why I ask.
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I probably will be purchasing one of these when they're available, I would definitely start out by seeing what I might possibly do to make the trigger better, I was just reading a thread from a Canadian forum of mods to the trigger on it but didn't get real deep into it. I would also consider getting a 1077 wood stock for it too, that shouldn't be too awfully hard to modify for the guage I wouldn't think. I think that it's cool that Travis was able to order one of them early, you know for sure that he'll be looking it over with a fine tooth comb to see what can be done to improve it.
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I've never played with a 1077 but I love my maximus so this looks appealing to me. Is the trigger that bad though? Are there any mods that make them better? I installed a brass trigger to my maximus to fix that one that's why I ask.
I have both. The 1077 trigger is simply what it is - a double action revolver. First the rotation is felt then the "second stage" of firing comes in. But it is rather light and does not affect the hold. A deliberate pull when on target is not difficult. Easy to learn. Nothing like an out of the box 2260, Discovery, Maximus.
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I've never played with a 1077 but I love my maximus so this looks appealing to me. Is the trigger that bad though? Are there any mods that make them better? I installed a brass trigger to my maximus to fix that one that's why I ask.
I have both. The 1077 trigger is simply what it is - a double action revolver. First the rotation is felt then the "second stage" of firing comes in. But it is rather light and does not affect the hold. A deliberate pull when on target is not difficult. Easy to learn. Nothing like an out of the box 2260, Discovery, Maximus.
I seen where Powermax is going to start making the HiPAC's for the 1077 again.
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60 shots per 2000# fill…semi auto… You will go through a lot of pellets fast, better stock up!
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I'm wondering why Midway is the only site with this rifle, not even on the Crosman/Benjamin site yet? When's it gonna ship??? This is like an entry level pcp at 50% off, wow!
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The Crosman website frequently lags their product availability.
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you didn't mention the best part: semi-auto!!
Didn't mention the other best part either:
"PCP powdered, the Wildfire has a velocity of up to 800 fps."
What kind of strange alchemy is "PCP POWDER" anyway?
;D :o 8)
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Saw this thread yesterday, and thought, meh, whatever ::). . Had to go and look at the 1077 because of the resemblance, and now I want one bad! Looks like a lot of fun!
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I'm wondering why Midway is the only site with this rifle, not even on the Crosman/Benjamin site yet? When's it gonna ship??? This is like an entry level pcp at 50% off, wow!
I think Crosman occasionally sets up agreements with a single retailer when they roll out a new product.
I remember the TR77 (when it was a wire spring only power plant) being ONLY available through Walmart for the first year.
Blue
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This is an interesting rifle. The velocity stability of high pressure air makes way more sense in a semi-auto as compared to CO2. Seems like a logical upgrade to the 1077. Kudos to Crosman for bringing this to market. There's nothing else like it at the price point.
I'm looking at the 1077 exploded parts diagram. In terms of accuracy, the Crosman barrels can be quite good with a little cleanup work and the right pellet, but the plastic receiver and "tube over straw barrel" don't lend themselves to typical PCP precision. Also, the trigger / semi-auto mechanism won't make it any easier but at this price point, it would be easy to justify buying one for popping rats or getting the kids in the game by shooting reactive targets in the back yard. Particularly so for shooters who already have a pump or tank, perhaps not so much for first-time PCP buyers.
I will sure be watching closely to see how things develop. If it can be made to drill 1/2" groups at 25 yards, I'll be getting one for the kids.
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Guess Midway is Special, other will be posting this week. I hear production won't be available till April.
I'm wondering why Midway is the only site with this rifle, not even on the Crosman/Benjamin site yet? When's it gonna ship??? This is like an entry level pcp at 50% off, wow!
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I have 2 1077's that have over 60k rounds through each of them without leaks or issues. they are great plinkers when they work. Mine are connected to a 20 lb co2 tank so no loss of pressure no matter how fast they are shot. This pcp version should be a good arcade type shooter with 60 rounds per fill.
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I'll be checking one of these out for sure. The fourth time they are back in stock. ;)
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This is an interesting rifle. The velocity stability of high pressure air makes way more sense in a semi-auto as compared to CO2. Seems like a logical upgrade to the 1077. Kudos to Crosman for bringing this to market. There's nothing else like it at the price point.
I'm looking at the 1077 exploded parts diagram. In terms of accuracy, the Crosman barrels can be quite good with a little cleanup work and the right pellet, but the plastic receiver and "tube over straw barrel" don't lend themselves to typical PCP precision. Also, the trigger / semi-auto mechanism won't make it any easier but at this price point, it would be easy to justify buying one for popping rats or getting the kids in the game by shooting reactive targets in the back yard. Particularly so for shooters who already have a pump or tank, perhaps not so much for first-time PCP buyers.
I will sure be watching closely to see how things develop. If it can be made to drill 1/2" groups at 25 yards, I'll be getting one for the kids.
if it is anything like the 2100 just go to ace get a couple 1/2 nylon spacers, drill to 5/16, put on barrel wrap once with duct tape and you have barrel stabilizers... .5-.75 at 30 yards with a couple 2100s so far...
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After opening a 1077, I think they would have to beef up the internals.
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Great find.
Thanks for posting.
This might be a nice addition to my PROD for when I want to invite friends to come shoot with me.
Looking forward to what else is coming at Shot Show.
I'm hoping for an affordable bullpup that's a semi-auto in .22 or .25
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I have to have one of these!
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This is an interesting rifle. The velocity stability of high pressure air makes way more sense in a semi-auto as compared to CO2. Seems like a logical upgrade to the 1077. Kudos to Crosman for bringing this to market. There's nothing else like it at the price point.
I'm looking at the 1077 exploded parts diagram. In terms of accuracy, the Crosman barrels can be quite good with a little cleanup work and the right pellet, but the plastic receiver and "tube over straw barrel" don't lend themselves to typical PCP precision. Also, the trigger / semi-auto mechanism won't make it any easier but at this price point, it would be easy to justify buying one for popping rats or getting the kids in the game by shooting reactive targets in the back yard. Particularly so for shooters who already have a pump or tank, perhaps not so much for first-time PCP buyers.
I will sure be watching closely to see how things develop. If it can be made to drill 1/2" groups at 25 yards, I'll be getting one for the kids.
Jason, I think for the money, it will be popular for new to pcp people.
Or the 1022 rimfire guys wanting to get in some cheap back yard plinking.
It has the ergonomics of a 1022, (but a double action trigger)
I have owned a 1077, and repaired one for a friend.
I liked them for what they are. But didn't like the cool down with the co2.
You take a $140 rifle, and a $100 pump $240 gets you into the game.
With 60 shots I figure 60-90 ish pumps to top it off, (disco sized tube). That's 1-2 pumps per shot.
I like that number for new shooters, and with a 2000 psi fill, younger shooters can top it off them selves.
Or 15-17 fills off of a guppy bottle..
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Benjamin Wildfire is now on "pre-order" at PyramydAir.
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Benjamin Wildfire is now on "pre-order" at PyramydAir.
And it says availability is 2/24.
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Benjamin Wildfire is now on "pre-order" at PyramydAir.
Yep...I saw it...and I did it......(Darn it...thats 2 new guns in 2 weeks)
DJ
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Here are the specs from PA site for the Wildfire...
Caliber 0.177" (4.5mm)
Max Velocity 800 fps
Loudness 3-Medium
Barrel Length 20.39"
Overall Length 36.88"
Shot Capacity 12
Barrel Rifled
Front Sight Fiber Optic
Rear Sight Adjustable
Scopeable 11mm dovetail
Trigger Single-stage
Buttplate Plastic
Suggested for Plinking & target practice
Action Semiautomatic
Safety Manual
Powerplant Pre-charged pneumatic
Function Repeater
Trigger Action Double-Action
Max Shots per Fill 60
Body Type Rifle
Fixed/adj. power Fixed
Weight 3.69 lbs
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I've had my 1077 for 8-9 years, and it still shoots. The trigger is not good, nor is there much you can do with it from what I've read. It's a really good looking gun and has a good feel to it. I put one of the delrin barrel supports in mine. Accuracy is not great. Tom Gaylord has an older one he has reviewed. His is quite accurate to 25 yards as I recall. All he could do with his trigger is remove the box that cantains most of the firing mechanism, and sit there and watch tv while cycling it over and over again. He said his smoothed out. This is the only airgun I have that has as it's favorite pellet, the Crosman hollow point. If this uses the sam 12 shot magazine as the 1077, you will be li ityed by what pellets it feeds, and what pellets fit the holes in the magazine properly. Some brands/types of pellets may be too loose of a fit into the mag, and might slide forward or back jamming the magazine from turning. The Crosmans have a perfect fit in mine. When I saw this aigun I was certainly interested. But, if it uses the same trigger mechanism as the 1077, and is made of plastic, I will pass. I'd rather have a Maximus single shot.
My question is, with a fill of 2000 psi, will a hand pump work on it then?
Oh, and I see it has the lever on the right side of the receiver. That is for if and when you have a pellet move in the magazine and jam the mechanism, you move that lever, which moves the barrel forward so you can get that pellet out. Yeah, it looks like it's all 1077 except for the air tank.
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Easy to pump up with a hand pump. Same pressure as Maximus (which I have) and Discovery.
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Thanks! I've never owned a pcp, and would not buy one that can't be pumped up with a hand air pump. I'll wait to read the reviews of this 1077/pcp.
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Pyramyd is accepting preorders.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-air-rifle?m=4304;trk_contact=36OMN46LBHGGKMRJ52OIOGP7RS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pyramydair.com%2fs%2fm%2fBenjamin_Wildfire_PCP_Air_Rifle%2f4304&utm_campaign=Exclusive+SHOT+Pre-order%3a+Crosman+and+Remington (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-air-rifle?m=4304;trk_contact=36OMN46LBHGGKMRJ52OIOGP7RS&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pyramydair.com%2fs%2fm%2fBenjamin_Wildfire_PCP_Air_Rifle%2f4304&utm_campaign=Exclusive+SHOT+Pre-order%3a+Crosman+and+Remington)
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if it is anything like the 2100 just go to ace get a couple 1/2 nylon spacers, drill to 5/16, put on barrel wrap once with duct tape and you have barrel stabilizers... .5-.75 at 30 yards with a couple 2100s so far...
Kirby, thanks for the comments. I hope it's that simple. My track record with guns having plastic receivers doesn't give me a great deal of confidence. A bushing to support the barrel in the shroud is a good thing (a la Daisy 880) but often the shroud lacks adequate registration to the receiver which leads to a wandering POI. It's hard to keep realistic accuracy expectations for a rifle like this when a QB79 with a Ninja bottle shoots like a laser. Just have to keep telling myself the repeater feature solidifies its place as a fun gun.
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I see it as the cliche "it is what it is."
If it is like the last 1077 I worked over for a friend,
It won't be a tack driver at 50 yards,
It won't have a 1 lb trigger that breaks like a glass rod.
It will be reasonably accurate, (enough for pesting at reasonable ranges, and hitting the paddles on the crosman resetting squirrel target at 25 yards, and rolling tin cans out to 40-50 yards
The triggers are not that bad once you wear them in and get used to it.
The plinkability of the gun is its best selling point.
They will make millions with it..
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The estimated in stock date is 2/24/2017, so I guess we should see them sometime in August ??? ::) ;D
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And, it's by Hard Air Magazine.
I was going to put the web address here, but I don't want to make anyone upset. This is a very interesting new PCP air rifle. Since I already own a 1077, I've been wanting to read any reviews of this.
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And now Tom Gaylord starts his review on the Wildfire.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/)
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I'll be ordering one next week.
I have a couple of 1077's so I'm not a newbe on the tech.
For the price and what it could do is right in line for me at this point.
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Shooter1721 Wildfire Review Part #2 posted 2/26/17
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5CDyeEsC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5CDyeEsC8#)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFWUoqcpX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFWUoqcpX0#)
Part 2 of the Wildfire review posted today (2/24/17)
www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/02/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-repeater-part-2/
(https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/02/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-repeater-part-2/)
For the price and what it could do is right in line for me at this point.
I agree.
I'm not a big fan of Crosman anymore.
But, for the semi-auto feature, and the price, I'm probably buying one for a fun little plinker to use with the hand pump I already own.
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Updated 3/10/17
Pyramyd posted Part #3 of their review:
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/03/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-repeater-part-3/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/03/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-repeater-part-3/)
by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier-
The Wildfire is not a precision PCP, so don’t try to compare it to one.
It also IS NOT semiautomatic!!!
It has a double action only revolver mechanism in which the trigger both advances the circular clip to the next round and also cocks and releases the striker spring. That means it can not have a crisp and light trigger pull. It simply cannot, by design. If Crosman were to revive the Nightstalker and allow the sear to capture the striker every time, THAT would be a semiautomatic rifle. It would be the rifle equivalent of the model 600 pistol
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu90wsjL5Dw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu90wsjL5Dw#)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFWUoqcpX0&t=5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFWUoqcpX0&t=5s#)
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Thanks for posting that video. Hard Air Magazine has a review also, and the reviewer (he who can't be named) measured the trigger pull at 12 pounds and change. This gent in the video above actually gets some nice groups at 25 yards, especially bearing in mind that his Wildfire has an 11 pound trigger pull. My 1077's trigger is not good. Yet, the wildfire, I think, is going to sell well. A PCP with a 12 round repeating capacity is pretty attractive.
Sp, so far, we have this video, the Hard Air Magazine article, and part one of Tom Gaylord's video at the Pyramid Air Blog. Any more?
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Well 670 fps is about where it is fpe=pellet weight in grains... so it is about 10fpe... A guy used to adapt 1760 barrels to 2100s and Stonykill has given non straw barrels to the 880...
so a Wildfire Maximus 26" Barrel just might be do able... so adding about 60 fps to the 10.3g gives ~11.5 fpe... and maybe more accuracy..?
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if it is anything like the 2100 just go to ace get a couple 1/2 nylon spacers, drill to 5/16, put on barrel wrap once with duct tape and you have barrel stabilizers... .5-.75 at 30 yards with a couple 2100s so far...
Kirby, thanks for the comments. I hope it's that simple. My track record with guns having plastic receivers doesn't give me a great deal of confidence. A bushing to support the barrel in the shroud is a good thing (a la Daisy 880) but often the shroud lacks adequate registration to the receiver which leads to a wandering POI. It's hard to keep realistic accuracy expectations for a rifle like this when a QB79 with a Ninja bottle shoots like a laser. Just have to keep telling myself the repeater feature solidifies its place as a fun gun.
The should work on the 1077/wifi... the plastic pumpers deal with the stress of pumping up... the 1077 does not...
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From what I have seen on youtube so far, this will be adequate for small game with ammo that it likes. Perfect first air rifle for your kids if you are already set up for pcp's, also a good gateway rifle to get adults started. Between this and Gamo's new breakbarrel repeater, i think a lot more people will get roped in by air power this year...
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And, Tom Gaylord's part two. There will be at least three parts, maybe more. Part two shows shot velocities per 12 shot magazine, and gives a feel for how many shots per fill. In the accuracy segment he's going to start with a full 200 psi fill. and then take a pellet and shoot three consecutive targets noting the drop. It may be that, though Crosman claims 60 usable, the drop may be such that many of us might consider 36 shots between fills to be more reasonable. Tom says he's going to do these 12 shot groups at 25 yards. But, then, Tom's writeups on his own 1077's showed his guns did pretty well at that distance. Mine has never done that well for me.
I'm very interested in seeing his accuracy tests.
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I like what the airgun offers at the pricepoint: decent plinking accuracy in a repeater without being stuck to CO2.
Just like the 1077, there's more to be had if you dig. And- the only other companies I see courting the entry point in PCPs are companies that have a rep for cheapness.
Umarex, Gamo, and SPA. The Disco and Max are great values for then money. The Umarex Gauntlet is basically a repeater-breech QB-79 dressed up (I have the QB-79 repeater breech), Gamo has their Urban/Chacal and the Coyote, all of which offer a lot for the money, and of course, SPA.
None of the other companies are offering a low dollar entry point into the world of PCP. Maybe that's not a bad thing, but they are losing sales in the long run.
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I'd rather Crosman go upmarket and offer guns to compete with the Bullboss, Bullmaster, and Wildcat.
I much rather buy American then be forced to buy an import for a decent .25 caliber bullpup.
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I'd rather Crosman go upmarket and offer guns to compete with the Bullboss, Bullmaster, and Wildcat.
I much rather buy American then be forced to buy an import for a decent .25 caliber bullpup.
Those three you named are three different tiers of airgun. Crosman already offers several good platforms, and maybe they'll offer something down the road, but they also deal with the cost of doing business in the US. Without getting into the political realm, it's really expensive to do business in the US. That's why we import so many goodies :D
Crosman stepping up and changing their barrel process on the .177 and .77 is going to have a positive impact, especially with the new regulated MRod. And I haven't read any complaints baout recent Max/Disco purchases. People getting sub-inch groups on a $200 2000 PSI-fill air rifle at 70 and 80 yards is definitely a good thing!
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I'd rather Crosman go upmarket and offer guns to compete with the Bullboss, Bullmaster, and Wildcat.
I much rather buy American then be forced to buy an import for a decent .25 caliber bullpup.
Those three you named are three different tiers of airgun.
I know.
That's exactly why I chose them specifically.
Crosman already offers several good platforms
That's your opinion.
I'm not impressed.
Especially when compared to the Bullboss, Bullmaster, Wildcat, etc.
I'l be buying a Wildfire, because it fills the affordable semi-automatic plinker "tier"
Now, Crosman needs to offer competition for the other "tiers". (Bullboss, Bullmaster, Wildcat)
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I'd rather Crosman go upmarket and offer guns to compete with the Bullboss, Bullmaster, and Wildcat.
I much rather buy American then be forced to buy an import for a decent .25 caliber bullpup.
Those three you named are three different tiers of airgun.
I know.
That's exactly why I chose them specifically.
Crosman already offers several good platforms
That's your opinion.
I'm not impressed.
Especially when compared to the Bullboss, Bullmaster, Wildcat, etc.
I'l be buying a Wildfire, because it fills the affordable semi-automatic plinker "tier"
Now, Crosman needs to offer competition for the other "tiers". (Bullboss, Bullmaster, Wildcat)
you are entitled to your opinions as we all are. Too many buyers really like their Crosman to ignore, and Crosman is stepping up. Like you, I'm a patriot, but I don't get hot and bothered over this, despite also being a veteran. But I also know airguns in this country are still, by and large, considered as kid toys. Relegated to the margins when an AR platform can be purchased for the same cost as an MRod, and Joe Q. Public prefers bangsticks over kid toys.
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According to their site, RAW offers nothing to compete with the Bullboss, Bullmaster, or Wildcat either.
I figured you meant "higher end guns" since you reference the Corvette and Porsche in a couple of your posts.
Okay, so you want a Wildfire. Get one. Especially since Crosman has the "under $200 low-pressure PCP semi-auto" market cornered. If you think Crosman should tool up a brand new production-line Bullpup, that's awesome. Maybe they will.
The real question is: do they see a legit need to build one? They offer the Bulldog, but only in .357. Have you reached out to them to ask for other calibers?
Otherwise, I'm willing to bet they use input offered from tradeshows, their shooting team members, and the folks who call/email in and say, "Hey, I wish you had such-n-such!". Since the majority of folks with that kind of disposable cash in the US will opt for a powderburner at that price range, I'm willing to bet Crosman knows building a brand new rifle from the ground up to compete with what you mentioned would likely be a losing endeavor. Though I could be wrong- some minor retooling of the Bulldog and then drop a .25 GM barrel and call it a day. Who knows :D
In the end, maybe Crosman doesn't feel the need to compete. Just like maybe Chevrolet doesn't feel the need for a Corvette with a price of $56K to $105K range to compete directly with a German sports car that can run from On The Low End ~$90K on up to ~$145K. Different tiers. Both are good performers, but there's a different market and different price range.
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It's my understanding that the Bulldog is an unreliable flop,
especially for the money..
A. 22/25 caliber bullpup should be obvious to Crosman, without me having to tell them.
But, yes, I have called multiple times and politely and humbly expressed my opinion that they should offer something to compete with the BullBoss, Bullmaster, and Wildcat.
It seems like the Wildfire created a new class of its own, and that's why I'm buying one.
That, and because I already have an air source.
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C'mon guys.. we all like airguns. We are all passionate about it. Hug, make up, and pass the beer!
I like that Crosman decided to take a proven platform- the 1077- and married it to everybody's favorite low-pressure PCP, the Disco. Repeating action pew-pew-pew-pew. Cans don't stand a chance!
Just as people like hunting, they like plinking. All those 760s, 2100s, and 1377s prove it. To me, the Wildfire is a sure sign Crosman is listening to the public, and sure, they're gonna make money on it, but just as sure it's a gun that will bring more people into PCPs. And the higher start-up cost associated with a hand-pump versus being stuck with CO2 bottles is offset by the inherent versatility of having that pump- and the gateway it opens to other lower-pressure airguns like the Disco and Maximus just makes life great.
Sure, we all wanna see an MRod Bullpup that can hang with the big boys. But realistically, a low-cost bullpup version of a Disco is more likely (though still not likely!)... I'm sure Crosman could pull it off for well under $400 if they tried a single-shot model (keeping in line with the Max and Disco)...
But I just as badly want to see a low-pressure/2000 psi fill single-shot 2240-based PCP pistol. Most of the Lego kit is there; should only take a few more parts and they could have a legit off-the-shelf 2000 psi Maximus Pistol.
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Sure, we all wanna see an MRod Bullpup that can hang with the big boys.
THIS !!!!!!
I think most, if not ALL, 100% AGREE.
So, why does Crosman refuse to do what everyone knows that they should?
The reason that this issue is applicable in this thread is because a MROD Bullpup SHOULD have been released by now, and definitely before a 1077 with the addition of PCP.
C'mon guys.. we all like airguns. We are all passionate about it. Hug, make up, and pass the beer!
Am I unhappy with Crosman's refusal to offer models to compete with the Kral Puncher/Bullboss, the Bullmaster, and the Wildcat?
Yes. Definitely. And, it's a legitimate criticism and complaint.
But, I give Crosman credit for creating a new class with the Wildfire, and I will support them for doing so by buying one.
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A 10lb trigger wow
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Crosman took what modders have been doing for years and made one for everyone who wants one, ^5 to them for that, and seems its the american way to take something stock from the factory and make it you own , custom cars and all ;)
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I hope you fellas got a good night sleep last night and woke up nice and chipper! If not, maybe you could use a bit of a vacation....
pv
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I'm removing the unnecessary garbage that has been injected into this thread.
And I'm not sure who would have been upset with a link to a review from Hard Air Magazine.
Let's stay on topic....with this and other posts too.
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I'll be ordering one next week.
I have a couple of 1077's so I'm not a newbe on the tech.
For the price and what it could do is right in line for me at this point.
Jeff I've been thinking about ordering one too but if I do I'll probably order the wood stock for the 1077 as well, or even possibly ordering a 1077W just to do a comparison of the two. It would be really interesting to see what they've changed for the c02 to pcp conversion. I think this will be a great seller for Crosman, especially with the price of the inexpensive pcp pumps out there now.
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The wildfire is a great gateway to the pcp world. Around $300 is about my max threshhold for an airgun. Not that I don't think it's worth it, I just can't justify spending more, or buying them all the time. I will break down and get an mrod and a tx200 one day I am sure, but not soon!
For about $300 you can get into a pcp repeater with air source. Then the next year or two, maybe you go ahead and upgrade to a $200-$300 gun, you already have the air source so why not? Maybe get a real nice used gun for that much money, a modded disco or somebody's worn marauder off the forum, that still shoots good but maybe a little scratched up.
I might even go to the darkside with this one. And there are a lot of mods for the 1077 that surely apply to this gun. Even mods to the magazines, to reduce trigger pull. It will be a fun gun.
Now if they decide to give us a bare bones 2240 that works on 2k psi, I will for sure go to the darkside.
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Shooter1721 Wildfire Review Part #2 posted 2/26/17
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5CDyeEsC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5CDyeEsC8#)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFWUoqcpX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFWUoqcpX0)
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Thanks, Evo Shift! Heading right over to watch it. I watched part one 4-5 times.
And, when I started this thread, I wasn't trying to impune anyone when I referred to the Hard Air article. The gent that runs it can't be mentioned by name here.
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I saw him put up two balloons, and walk back a ways. I thought, geez, a balloon is a huge target. Then I saw the axe! He shot the axe splitting the pellet in two, and took out both balloons which were sitting side by side. Other trick shots also. This man can shoot!!
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Can you slip an ldc on it?
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I hear TKO has such a LDC for the 1077
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This gun sounds like it'll be a lot of fun regardless the double action trigger.I just bought a crosman 1077 at walmart but returned it.The rapid firing was fun but didn't like that it looses power when doing so and accuracy was ok for a $70 co2.So with this being a pcp you could rapid fire as fast as you can pull the trigger and shouldn't have a drop in power.Is that right?
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Shots will be more consistent , especially in cold weather, it will have a bell curve through the 30 round shot string , where mid way the FPS will be at its highest, and drop off gradually as it climbed from a full fill of air.
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From what I've seen on line, it does not have a bell curve. It drops off, not very efficient because you lose so much air that escapes around the magazine. It will still do better than CO2 on rapid fire, but not if you take your time.
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Pyramyd posted Part #3 of their review:
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/03/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-repeater-part-3/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/03/benjamin-wildfire-pcp-repeater-part-3/)
by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier-
The Wildfire is not a precision PCP, so don’t try to compare it to one.
It also IS NOT semiautomatic!!!
It has a double action only revolver mechanism in which the trigger both advances the circular clip to the next round and also cocks and releases the striker spring. That means it can not have a crisp and light trigger pull. It simply cannot, by design. If Crosman were to revive the Nightstalker and allow the sear to capture the striker every time, THAT would be a semiautomatic rifle. It would be the rifle equivalent of the model 600 pistol
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJ7xwKOyUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJ7xwKOyUg)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu90wsjL5Dw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu90wsjL5Dw#)
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I ordered one but cancelled the order. Instead I ordered a refurbished 1077 for $39 from agd went on gmac site and ordered co2 powerlet eliminator. Going to turn a 1077 into a hpa regulated 13ci bottle😎👍🏾
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I was just wondering if a 1077 could be converted, what parts are needed? I wonder if Crosman will be selling a conversion kit?
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I have no doubts it "could" be converted, but I'm willing to bet you'd actually see a velocity drop on HPA rather than an increase.
I don't own, and I've never worked on a 1077, but I would be really surprised if the valve was designed for flow. Just my guess based upon my own experiment with my own plastic toy repeater..... I could be all wet! :o
I do know that I gained 100 fps on my M14 by running it on bulk CO2 versus powerlets.... Just a thought.
Edit: Some good reading on the subject (http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?t=9957)
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Well I know my .02 dont count for much, but I think I will just stay with my 1077W and spend the funds on something else...since Im just a backyard plinker ...my 1077 is mostly my indoor gun...I got plenty for outdoors....good luck to any who purchase as it looks like a fun gun....and knowing u guys let the mods begin....LOL
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Well I know my .02 dont count for much, but I think I will just stay with my 1077W and spend the funds on something else...since Im just a backyard plinker ...my 1077 is mostly my indoor gun...I got plenty for outdoors....good luck to any who purchase as it looks like a fun gun....and knowing u guys let the mods begin....LOL
I'm half tempted to order the 1077W cause Powermax is supposed to start making the HiPAC's for it again soon.
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Looks like these are now in stock. Just got an email from PA
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yep, i just looked
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I just got an email back from TKO. It states that they do have a muzzle brake available for he 1077/Wildfire. I sure can't find it on the website though.
Pyramid now has a review of the Wildfire here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJ7xwKOyUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJ7xwKOyUg)
And Mr. Gaylord has part three up, and there will be at least one more coming.
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Someone over on CAPOF just took delivery, even though my plan is not to get one, still interested in reviews....
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Can you slip an ldc on it?
I took a 6" TKO and removed the delrin rear section that slides over the barrel. Drilled & taped another set screw (now 2- 1 ea. side.)
I cut off the protruding sight and put a wrap of electrical tape at the top of the barrel and another at the end of the TKO.
Then w/some lubd, slid the TKO on and screwed it down.
Works fine & quiet w/no clipping.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/072a71ce-db25-45c0-a2b2-dbf70182e822.jpg)
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Hmm. Mike at TKO quoted me $92.00 shipped for the unit for the 1077/Wildfire.
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Mikes TKO may retain the front sight and I'm sure you don't need elect. tape & fiddling around to make it fit.
I do like his products.
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Rocker1 can probably make a TKO for the Wildfire I'd imagine.
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Rocker1 can probably make a TKO for the Wildfire I'd imagine.
Rocker1 needs to finish other things before he messes with the WildFire!
;D
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Mike did say, you have to grind off the front sight on your 1077 or Wildfire.
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Rocker1 can probably make a TKO for the Wildfire I'd imagine.
Rocker1 needs to finish other things before he messes with the WildFire!
;D
I'm looking to see what kind of goodies David can provide us PP700 owners :D
But yeah, I'm thinking a Rocker1 LDC would be slick for a Wildfire
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I'm thinking that Rocker1 has enough time to modify Jeff's avatar ;D ;D
Rocker1 can probably make a TKO for the Wildfire I'd imagine.
Rocker1 needs to finish other things before he messes with the WildFire!
;D
I'm looking to see what kind of goodies David can provide us PP700 owners :D
But yeah, I'm thinking a Rocker1 LDC would be slick for a Wildfire
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I'm thinking that Rocker1 has enough time to modify Jeff's avatar ;D ;D
Oh a wise Guy eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD-gVBbkf0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD-gVBbkf0)
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The EBay LDC from Poland does fit , but must be slid off for refilling the Wildfire.
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I hope u folks enjoy them...thought about one for a moment...but decided since I have 1077W, save that fundage for maybe a guantlet...good luck.....
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I hope u folks enjoy them...thought about one for a moment...but decided since I have 1077W, save that fundage for maybe a guantlet...good luck.....
My itch to get a Wildfire is being superseded by my itch to get a PP700 in .22
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Today's story can be seen here http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=123613.msg1205135#msg1205135 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=123613.msg1205135#msg1205135)
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Got one coming! How they do it so cheaply bewilders me.
Three words: Parts bin engineering.
It's not always a bad thing, as long as expectations are set correctly by Marketing.
My recommendation to avoid disappointment:
For example, on their page for it (http://www.crosman.com/wildfire), Crosman says:
"Up to 60 shots per fill" - Half truth, since the pellets would barely be making it out of the barrel by Shot 60. Tyler's review suggests 40 is a more realistic maximum, and 30 is more realistic.
Under the Technical Specs list, they say: "Trigger: single stage" which is a big fat lie. "Double-action Only" would be a lot more accurate.
They also say: "Lead Pellet Velocity: Up to 700 fps" Also a lie.
They DO market it for those who are obsessed with rapid fire; maybe the same crowd that likes CO2 replicas, who value rapid fire more than accuracy?
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the shot curve is actually more like the 1077 than other PCPs./ and like you said , they already had the parts.. and in manufacturing , once youre already set up to make a part, its way more cost effective than designing a new part. ( e.g the disco tube
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as a side note, I called crosman one day for a 397 piston cup, the guy asked how many i needed , they had 15,000 in stock.. Not kidding
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that looks so sweet!!!! I do love the 1077, despite the trigger!
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OK,... any further words, opinions on this?
I have a Crosman 2100 that is dying off. I've used it intensely hard, and, it needs replacement.
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Get another 2100 or fix the one you got. A good 2100 is a dime shooter.
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Has been considered. I've rebuilt it, the 2100, once already. But, it might be time to get a new one, or something else. It has long been pinpoint accurate. I like the lightweight, fast to shoulder factor.
I love the PCP platform, but, am not so fond of all of the multi-shot clip-type rifles. My wife on the other hand, might have fun with this repeater. Me: questing for the single shot PCP; a major deciding factor in why I went with a Beeman Chief. A second smaller Chief (.177) isn't out of the question, but, I'd like something that my wife can shoot, as she gets a kick out of it.
And, of course, still looking at this new Benjamin,...
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Be a nice plinker/toy for the wife for sure. Pretty much it's purpose.
Never had a wildfire but i have bought (and sold) a couple of crosman 1077, basically co2 otherwise the same. Fun to shoot.
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What's your target you have set up over there? Is that a human shaped target or the old scarecrow decoration from Halloween?
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Has Crosman fixed the leaking issue or are they still Duds?
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That's what I thought. Personally, I'd be more worried about the foreseeable leak in that pool then the bargain PCP rifle's leak. If you haven't had an ricochets then more power to you.
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Yea, when the Walmart's started discounting their airguns because they didn't wanna stock them anymore. I bought a 1077 for 30. I had that same area leaking, granted slightly different, but right there where the cart and face seal met. Brought that back immediately and wiped my hands clean with that cheap design.
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if it was dependable, it would have made a great candidate for my R/C Rat gun, being semi-auto, but since it's not, I'll stick with it's biggest brother, my Mrod, I have to re-cock it every time I shoot, but the Rat's don't care, they keep coming for free PB and crackers..... but never leave alive....... sounds like a bad horror movie. :o :o :o ;D