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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: redlined_b16a on January 02, 2017, 11:06:47 AM
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Budget is about $1000 but doesn't have to be that expensive.
I currently have a Hatsan AT44s10 .22 cal,bobs mods and its plenty of power.I hunt rabbits with it.
I walk through alot of thick brush so wood is not gonna be an option.
I hunt in cold rain.
I hand pump.
20 full power shots would be great.
Im looking at the Hatsan Bull Boss or another AT44 long qe
Hatsan BT65 long qe
Airforce Condor SS
Whats your recommendationd?
I dont need the extra power I just want it.
Above 50fpe.I like that the condor doesn't have the pellet lenth limit.
Considered the Nova and Gladius but the added features the Gladius has does not apeal to me.
I really like the BT65,its the gun I wanted when I bought the at44.Figured if I was going with a smaller platform the .22 version would make a nice lil power house.
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I have both a Hatsan and a Condor. Really no comparsion. Hatsan's are not easy to tweak but the Condor is a single shot. You give up a magazine for incredible power. Have both and shoot the one that best fits the situation.
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I would also suggest the Marauder Gen II synthetic stock .25 very tunable, easily modified and out of the box 40 FPE. Add the SSG and tune to your needs with good shot count. And yes I know the OP was about a Hatsan just suggesting alternate options in .25
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Consider taking a look at the Hatsan Galatian III QE. Got mine new from Field Supply for $650 during a sale, synthetic stock option, stock out of the box mine shoots 40 fpe with JSB King 25.39 grain. Been told with a few simple tweaks and a regulator it's easily a 50+ fpe rifle for at least your 20 shots. Has 13 round magazine with a 2nd in the butt stock to make reloading easier but the downside would be having to watch your pellet length to make sure they fit in the mags.
Tuned by you or maybe by Baxter Walton who would coax everything possible out of the rifle, it would fit everything you're looking for except the pellet length choice.
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Keep them coming.
I have considered the SynRod
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I'm playing with the Nova in .177. My chronograph is giving me fits, but what it HAS recorded shows a platform that should be capable of some amazing power in a heavier caliber. I, too, pump fill. The neat thing is, with that big bottle up front you don't have to fill that often. ;D The downside to the Nova is weight. With the 6-24X56 scope it's wearing right now it comes in at 12.25 pounds weight. Still have less than 100 shots through her, but am really liking this (not so) little rifle. The idea of picking up a 22 or 25 "just because" keeps rattling in my mind. The one thing I DON'T like is that it's limited on length of projectile so one would be limited as to what one shot out of it. Of course, with a choked barrel common experience seems to dictate that it wouldn't shoot solids very well anyway so the general run of the mill skirted pellets would have to be the fodder of choice.
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Consider taking a look at the Hatsan Galatian III QE. Got mine new from Field Supply for $650 during a sale, synthetic stock option, stock out of the box mine shoots 40 fpe with JSB King 25.39 grain. Been told with a few simple tweaks and a regulator it's easily a 50+ fpe rifle for at least your 20 shots. Has 13 round magazine with a 2nd in the butt stock to make reloading easier but the downside would be having to watch your pellet length to make sure they fit in the mags.
Tuned by you or maybe by Baxter Walton who would coax everything possible out of the rifle, it would fit everything you're looking for except the pellet length choice.
I love that Galatian . If I had the option (not available in Canada) I would have two of them instead of the BT65 's I have . Side lever , big and spin on air tube ,LW barrel ,fairly easy to tune , and on sale regularly from the airgunproshop.com.
As far a pellet length goes , all the JSB pellets in .25 fit . They are the "only "pellets in .25 cal IMO
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I have a BT65 in .25, it was my first PCP, adult air rifle. It is heavy compared to my powder burners. But I wanted the power and wanted to tune it for more power.
If I had known they were available I would have bought a SPA P 10 from Krale Scheitsport in .25. I have since bought a .22 cal used, and love the bullpup design. I am going to bullpup my BT65.
I would also look at the Kral Puncher Breaker, although you will have to purchase an LDC for it. It has a side cocking lever which the SPA 10 does not. Here is a link to Krale Schietsport.
https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/kral-arms-puncher-breaker-synthetic.html (https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/kral-arms-puncher-breaker-synthetic.html)
The SPA is wood, but I'm sure you could seal it somehow. It is also bolt action instead of side lever action. It does have a regulator and multi-shot from the factory, which you don't get with MrodAir, also they don't have .25 cal. It does have a moderator also. Tuning is easy access through a hole in the rear of the action.
The Kral I don't know about, but I do like the price, side cocking lever, bullpup. I don't know how easy it is to tune. Just putting it out there. But I think that bullpups would fit your style of hunting much better than long heavy rifles. Good luck
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I have done a lot of research on(my next gun) in 25 cal. .And have come to the conclusion the AF Condor SS is the one for me. I would of gone with a .45 but their Way too loud.Hurry up Santa :)
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Some questions.
As you already have a Hatsan .22, what would you want the .25 to do that's better? Lighter? More power? Got bigger critters in mind? Longer ranges in mind?
Lot of good rifles, many in .25, but the above tends to help narrow the search.
for me, my first .25 was for bigger critters. Not farther away, I still tend to "indian up" to them and get inside of 50yards, I just wanted the "thump" of a .25 and heavy pellets for things like opossums/raccoons and an occasional nutria. 50 foot pounds seemed like a reasonable goal (although it ended up I could get 60 if wanted) and the shot count didn't need to be high (never get a dozen shots in one hunt on those critters).
BTW...am also a pump-filler, so I limited myself to smaller air volumes, low shot counts because of that small volume, and ruggedness. I really don't mind plain wood, so long as it's well sealed (tend to do that myself as the hidden parts are almost always raw wood). When it's bad, will put on a thick coating of paste wax and NOT BUFF it off.
Knowing the above helped me make up my mind....your requirments likely are way different, but at least if you nail down what you're going to use it for, likely to find the choice a lot easier.
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Just go with a .30 :) :) ....at some point you'll want one anyway :)
Rainstorm is 770 bucks at Pyramyd
I also hunt in thick stuff and pretty much at some level rainy conditions
Check this out
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116402.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116402.0)
If still just want a .25 I would really recommend the Rainstorm II in .25, they shoot the new JSB 34gr real well also the Benjamin dome, jsb 25gr and predators.
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I watch all the .25 cal hunting vids and I like the power the .25 has compared to the .22.As I get older Im no where near a steady shooter free handed in the woods.All of my shots are free standing and Im not super accurate.
With that said the .25 offers a larger killzone over the .22.
Hunting rabbits the AT44 .22 tuned im probly pushing 35 plus fpe (typical bob mods with 4 turns on hammer spring slinging 21 and 19 grain cudas.
I want more power as well,just for the fun of it.Blowing thru a 2x4 sounds like it would be exciting.
Currently I can go a lil more than half way thru.
I did not consider .30 cal due to ammo cost,around my area .22 cphp is sometimes hard to find and I can find .25 jsb 25 grains for $8 for 200ct.
Just as cheap to shoot as my .22.
Some questions.
As you already have a Hatsan .22, what would you want the .25 to do that's better? Lighter? More power? Got bigger critters in mind? Longer ranges in mind?
Lot of good rifles, many in .25, but the above tends to help narrow the search.
for me, my first .25 was for bigger critters. Not farther away, I still tend to "indian up" to them and get inside of 50yards, I just wanted the "thump" of a .25 and heavy pellets for things like opossums/raccoons and an occasional nutria. 50 foot pounds seemed like a reasonable goal (although it ended up I could get 60 if wanted) and the shot count didn't need to be high (never get a dozen shots in one hunt on those critters).
BTW...am also a pump-filler, so I limited myself to smaller air volumes, low shot counts because of that small volume, and ruggedness. I really don't mind plain wood, so long as it's well sealed (tend to do that myself as the hidden parts are almost always raw wood). When it's bad, will put on a thick coating of paste wax and NOT BUFF it off.
Knowing the above helped me make up my mind....your requirments likely are way different, but at least if you nail down what you're going to use it for, likely to find the choice a lot easier.
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I did not consider .30 cal due to ammo cost,around my area .22 cphp is sometimes hard to find and I can find .25 jsb 25 grains for $8 for 200ct.
Just as cheap to shoot as my .22.
Where can you find 200 .25 JSB's for $8? Does that include shipping?
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Amazon and ebay.
Cheapest are beeman cromags for $9 shipped
Jsb 25 grains can be had for $14 shipped
H&n $12 shipped
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0035KH2V2/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1483419579&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=25%2Bcaliber%2Bpellets&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0035KH2V2/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1483419579&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=25%2Bcaliber%2Bpellets&th=1&psc=1)
Just an example
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0035KH2V2/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1483419579&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=25%2Bcaliber%2Bpellets&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0035KH2V2/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1483419579&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=25%2Bcaliber%2Bpellets&th=1&psc=1)
Just an example
You can get 4 cans of those from Pyramid Air for $26.97 plus shipping. I don't think shipping's going to be that bad on four cans of pellets.
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I have several .25 cal PCP's. And love to shoot them all. At the moment, 6 different MRods in different configurations.
AirForce Condor SS
Sumatra 2500+
Disco Double
And probably a couple more I'm forgetting at the moment. LOL
To me, I like the MRod for several reasons. They are relatively easy to modify/improve. Replacement parts are readily and inexpensively available. They are extremely versatile. You can build one for just about any purpose. Or build one adjustable to work for multiple scenarios.
:)
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So let's summarize this scenario shall we.
You're looking at the Condor or BT65, want lots of power but its not mandatory, gun is to be used as a hunter, trying to avoid wood stocks for fear of scratches and dings, would like to be able to use long heavy ammo if necessary.
Solution=Sumatra 2500 .25 cal & spray on bedliner on the wood stock.
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I have owned the Condor in .25 and now own a BT65 QE in .25 as well. The way you hunt will have a lot to do with which gun you will be most comfortable with. Both can deliver 60 ft lbs, and the Condor can easily do more if you want. Both are fairly long guns making manuvering in thick brush a bit more challenging.
My Condor with scope mounted weighed over a lb less than the BT without scope, so if your treks are long with a lot of elevation changes you will really start to feel the weight of the BT more. The BT is challenging to shoot offhand because of the weight distribution. On the other hand if you are treking to a blind or other fixed position and can shoot from a rest, the BT has great accuracy and quick follow on shots if necessary. The Condor may be the better choice if you are constantly on the move and need to make quick shots off hand.
Tom Gaylord says "Compared to the BT65, an M1 Garand feels small, and an 03A3 Springfield feels like a carbine! I guess the closest pellet rifle comparison would be a Beeman R1. But the BT65 is even larger" ... ;D
My P12 in .22 cal makes 40 ft lbs and is the ultimate brush/long trek gun. My BT will be used for hunting close in Yotes and small pigs from a fixed position, and the P12 accompanies me on my many 8-12 mile treks through the logging trails of the WMA.
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Flat ground,woods and I walk up to 2 hours total.Currently the at44 is kinda on the heavy side.
Still keep the ideas coming.
A marauder pushing 50fpe sounds like a good idea.
So does the Hatsan BullBoss.
Galatian 3 also.
Too many guns avalible.
I had an engine up forsale but buyer backed out,none the less its gonna sell and a .25 is gonna take its place.
I like the Talon P .25 but the lowshot count is a turn off.
20 shots in 50 fpe is what I would like.I only may shoot 5 rounds but I do like to target shoot alot.
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I had a Bullboss as well in .22 cal and you are on the right track there. Weight distribution and length will be much more friendly to your style of hunting. It is still a heavy gun but much easier to shoot off hand than the BT. You will have to do some tweeking with the Bullboss to get 20 shots at 50 ft lbs but it is possible I think. The Bullboss side cocking lever is butter smooth and located in the right place. If you like the AT44 platform you will love the Bullboss. Not quite as powerful as the BT65, but a better field gun in my opinion.
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Smythsg had a Bullboss .22 and a P 12 .22. He still has the P 12. It's a couple of #'s lighter than the Bullboss. I compared the 2 before buying the P 12 single shot. Wish I had known about the multi-shot repeater .25 cal in post #7. Don't get me wrong, I like the P-12, it's my plinker, cheap ammo gun, and the repeater part ain't really a big deal.
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I probably would go with this tuned bwalton bullpup (http://www.bwaltonpcp.com/424622492/product/1865988/bwalton-25cal-bullpup?catid=613424). You'd even have a few bucks left to put toward a worthy scope.
If you're carrying it through thick brush, you can't beat a bullpup.
No affiliation.
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subscribed. I also am interested in a .25 with the same requests. I've looked into a Condor or Condor SS. The Marauder is too heavy to pack around. The Bullboss looks to be a good candidate. Maybe Baxter can soup one up for you for less than a grand? My overly long Texan is a dream to lug around. In the bush its a different story lol.
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I have a Bullboss in 22. It is a great hunting platform. You will find it not bad to carry. I also have a Marauder 22 in a bullpup stock that is the cat's meow. I don't know how heavy each one is but the Marauder is way less then the Hatsan. The Hatsan's side lever cocking is the easyest to shoot. But the stock on the Marauder is like the ones Bwalton has and is a work of art. Both are very accurate.
If picking one Mine would be the Marauder. Mods are easyer, parts available, great looking, lighter, and shorter. Everything else is the same. Just remember there is no bad choice. Just about any 25 in the price range you are looking at are going to work fine.
Jimmy
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I have a Marauder, BT65 and Sumatra carbine in .25. I'm a hand pumper as well and like a light weight airgun. I haven't used the Marauder or BT65 in at least a year. The Marauder is a good accurate gun, but my BT65 is too heavy and inaccurate and is not hand pumper friendly. My Sumatra is just about perfect and has been my go-to gun for pesting for 2 years - over 100 squirrels are no longer with us because of this gun. It also has an adjustable power setting. In my opinion and from my experience Sumatra all the way...
Good luck with your search.
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Live near the Gulf, so have lots of knowledgeable marine supply stores and boat restoration experts. With ood stocks expected to be out in the really hasty weather (and here, can add in salt water spray as well), I do what they do for classic wooden boats/ships.
'VARNISH" has so many negatives attached to it for gun stocks, but actually the top of the line, best grade varnishes, designed for blistering outdoor sun, hard use, and salt water are about as tough as tough gets. The stuff they'd use on restored $5M teak boat decks. Not cheap, but you only need a quart per decade. Little worry about the wood stock in the rain.
BUT, I would strip the stock off the rifle to get to the inletting (which all too often is nearly raw wood) and to get UNDER the butt pad (where the wood is also often raw). Really doesn't do to "seal" just one side of the wood.
While you're there, ask about some of the spray preservatives for metal. Key word here is "preservative"...doesn't have to lube anything, just keep it for rusting. Some are basically a thickish spray wax that sticks like a SOB, but always feels a little sticky. Coating the metal with that pretty well gets you though the worst of days (where it's so wet out, you'd never find anything worth shooting anyway, but part of the "fun" is being out hunting even when the odds are way-way against you).
With all that, have a Sumatra (full size, so it's one long heavy rifle) that's seem the worst conditions and hasn't lost it's finish. Are a couple of stock dings from serious bumps/drops, but Varnish can blend in as a patch better than you'd normally think.
OK...you guys like brands. Over the years, I got use to EPIFANES varnish. Look it up, look up what goes into it. and then tell me it's not good for stocks. It's tought, abrasion resistant, and resists the nastiest weather. Does come out thicker than rubbed in finisnishes.
The other weather resistant trick was told to me by a power company guy. BUt I also found it at several marine repair/marine supply stores. CULLINITE LIQUID INSULATOR WAX. Yeah, was made to protect power line insulators, fuses, etc. Put this on metal before a hunt (and no worry about any that gets on the varnished stock) and it just can't rust.
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Going to add to my own post...but might be helpful.
I got on the .25 bandwagon pretty much for the same thoughts you seem to be having. Just did it early enough that making-one seemed a better option than buying one as I had the parts on hand, just needed to recombine/adjust them.
Difference might be that I thought that to really see a difference in performance over a .22, it would have to shoot those heavy .25 pellets as fast as a .22 could shoot .22 pellets.
So I ended up with this QB conversion, and settling on 57 foot pounds as it's best range (although a short shot count, don't have that many critters large enough to really need the "thunk").
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/QB%20mods/f0727cd5-da07-4c1d-a9c6-c277d2560b60.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/QB%20mods/f0727cd5-da07-4c1d-a9c6-c277d2560b60.jpg.html)
Now that's about the opposite of what I sense you want. it's heavy, it's way long, it's a single shot. But it's also slim and easy to carry, so got used quite a lot in the last 6-7 years.
Which is still the go-to rifle for when I really need to "thunk the carp" out of a large critter (like a raccoon, 'possum, or nutria).
So then I got to thinking, "maybe there is something to this moderate (40-44 foot pound) .25 thing". So I picked up a cheap Hatsan 44 pump.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/25%20hatsan%2044PA/b2e129a5-c84d-4c91-ad19-819251af7db1.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/25%20hatsan%2044PA/b2e129a5-c84d-4c91-ad19-819251af7db1.jpg.html)
Actually do find it a good woods-hunter, but really don't count it as much "better" at anything than a high powered .22 PCP. Having grown up (and still use) pump action 12gr. for upland game hunting, find the pump kind of like shaking hands with an old friend while out in the woods.
And at last I ended up with a low powered .22 spring, mostly to use up a whole lot of lighter .25 pellets that wouldn't shoot well in the two PCP's.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/Lightning/5ef46040-e770-4e98-bd24-97e92a8fb862.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/Lightning/5ef46040-e770-4e98-bd24-97e92a8fb862.jpg.html)
Makes a fine "ratter" when you want a lot of quick energy dump and less penetration than other 14-15 foot pound rifles, and is also pretty impressive on little pest birds (not "better'...more "splatter" but not really better as dead is dead).
But that's it for me and .25's. Really not great "all around" rifles. Seem to find one or two specific jobs they do very well, but likely only 2-3% of the shots fired in a year were really uniquely suited to them (the other 97% would have had the same end result if a .22, .20, or .177 were used).
So while I like them and do reach for one of them when the situation seems just-right for a .25, that situation isn't all that common. Likely these are my last .25's.
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Good info and I live on the louisiana Gulf coast,born and raised on the bayous.
On average our humidity is above 80%
Terrible atmosphere for telescopes which is another expensive hobby of mine.
You are correct about my .22 doing everything my needs require.
Still thinking and looking at guns though.Alot of good suggestions here.
Question though.How much diffrent is the flight trajectory of a .25 grain .25 cal pellet vs a .25 cal 25 grain pellet traveling at same feet per second.
Is it like comparing .177 to .22?
Will .25 cal require more or less hold over for longer ranges?
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I can also deal with scratched wood stocks,I just like synthetic better.I have a benjamin 392 pushing about 20-22fpe that I tortured hunting rabbits,Still a favorite of mine.
Not too scratched but been thru briars and black berry bushs plenty times.
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Its been awhile and researched alot but mostly spent some seat time with my current at44 .22.
Conclusion is
I think my current set up does everything I need to do.
Originally I wanted more smacking power of a .25,then seceretly thought the .30 rainstorm was the better choice.
Now Im feeling I need to try JSB king 25 grains in .22.
If I can fly those guys near 900 fps I'd be happy and save a bunch of money.
Thank you for the help.
What other heavy pellets fit the AT44 magazines
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Check out RallyShark's thread. He has an AT44 making around 60fpe iirc. After he installed a PEEK valve he made with hand tools.
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If I had $1000 for a 25 I'd find a used Wildcat or Cricket.
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I own a couple of BT65's. I own a Talon. I don't own, but have friends that own a BullBoss.
If I had to choose, and I was going to be traipsing through 'thick brush' all day, I think my first choice would be the BullBoss. And.....I'd have Baxter work his magic on it first!!!!
My second choice would be the Marauder.
It has the distance, it has the accuracy, and it has the multi-shot thing going for it.
As much as I love my BT's, the marauder is a couple pounds lighter and still offers every other advantage. Those couple of extra pounds, in the BT65, add up to quite a bit, after lugging it through the brush all day.
My two cents anyway.
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Very intresting
https://youtu.be/TNONcrNmWDE
Well thats his findings anyway.
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Rather then start a new thread I have a Talon Condor SS question.
Im still on the fence about buying a .25.with that said Im leaning towards a Condor SS.
Stock gun oring behind tophat power wheel all the way down on lowest power settings.
With 25-33grain ammo what would the shot count be from 3000-2000 psi,I do realized from reading reviews the es is better from 2700 down.
Looking to tune for 50 fpe but estimated how many shots,some said 15,others said 35 shots.
If its only 15 shots I see an Mrod,bullboss or gladuis instead of a Condor SS.
The multishot/single shot does not bother me.
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If you haven't seen this already, good read on what another member has done with his:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=117828.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=117828.0)
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I had a condor, once upon a time. Hunting with it was like trying to walk through the woods carrying a 9 foot flyrod. Not for me.
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;) I think my new favorite woods rifle will be my Warp .25 really sweet little carbine
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Staying under the $1000 limit, Sumatra carbine. Plus, you'll have $$$ left over for a scope and/or a LDC.
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Rather then start a new thread I have a Talon Condor SS question.
Im still on the fence about buying a .25.with that said Im leaning towards a Condor SS.
Stock gun oring behind tophat power wheel all the way down on lowest power settings.
With 25-33grain ammo what would the shot count be from 3000-2000 psi,I do realized from reading reviews the es is better from 2700 down.
Looking to tune for 50 fpe but estimated how many shots,some said 15,others said 35 shots.
If its only 15 shots I see an Mrod,bullboss or gladuis instead of a Condor SS.
The multishot/single shot does not bother me.
35 shots is about right, I have a Talon with the High flow tank from the Condor and a RL shroud. I can dial it up to 80 FPE or down to 50 FPE with the power wheel I shoot mine from 2800 to 1700 psi and get 55 shots per fill.
(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a446/Grimeszee/Air%20Guns/20160225_201645-1_zpsgzawpubv.jpg) (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/Grimeszee/media/Air%20Guns/20160225_201645-1_zpsgzawpubv.jpg.html)
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Thats a fine looking machine.
Rather then start a new thread I have a Talon Condor SS question.
Im still on the fence about buying a .25.with that said Im leaning towards a Condor SS.
Stock gun oring behind tophat power wheel all the way down on lowest power settings.
With 25-33grain ammo what would the shot count be from 3000-2000 psi,I do realized from reading reviews the es is better from 2700 down.
Looking to tune for 50 fpe but estimated how many shots,some said 15,others said 35 shots.
If its only 15 shots I see an Mrod,bullboss or gladuis instead of a Condor SS.
The multishot/single shot does not bother me.
35 shots is about right, I have a Talon with the High flow tank from the Condor and a RL shroud. I can dial it up to 80 FPE or down to 50 FPE with the power wheel I shoot mine from 2800 to 1700 psi and get 55 shots per fill.
(http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a446/Grimeszee/Air%20Guns/20160225_201645-1_zpsgzawpubv.jpg) (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/Grimeszee/media/Air%20Guns/20160225_201645-1_zpsgzawpubv.jpg.html)
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Just a recap
I man'ed up an bought a .25 caliber Hatsan Bullboss.
27 shots if needed but I shoot 18 shots out the box with 11fps es.
Out the box jsb king 25 grains 925 fps-870fps for 27 shots.
What a power diffrence over my 32fpe at44 .22
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I've got a Marauder in .25. I'm very pleased with the performance and I don't think it's too heavy. But it could be a little lighter. I honestly get 24 shots that are decent enough to make hits at 50 yards and in. Lots of aftermarket stuff. I plan to pull it apart and upgrade a lot later.
You may look at an FX Streamline. Adjustable power, regulated, and has a 45-50 shot count on full power. So if you're filling with a pump it will maximize your time between fills. It's right at the top of your budget with a $999 price tag for the synthetic model. I was looking at one in the laminate stock myself but have decided to increase my budget.
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This is a year old thread but its filled with a good bit of info and real user opinions.
What can my .25 caliber do that my .22 can't.
Honestly not much.
The louder smack and more meat destruction.
Enlarged my killzone probly by 40%
Long range so far I perfer my at44 .22 slinging 21 grains at 900fps over my boss .25 slinging 25grains at 930fps.
At 150 yards I shoot cans.Its eaiser with the .22 at44
At44 retains 14fpe and boss 16fpe.
However the .25 smack is still louder and harder.
Overall Im pleased.I went to pyramid air on black friday to buy eother the Sumatra Seneca 500 in .25 cal or the CondorSS but a bullboss for $444 shipped.........wasnt gonna pass that.
Its an excellent hunting gun.No regrets.
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I am liking my BT65 QE, plan on buying a wood stock for it and a bullpup kit. Once i get my air situation fixed i am going to get a regulator and send it off to bwalton i think for a tuning
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My bullboss .25 just cam in today . I like it so far ...I also have the gladius ... love that gun ..it is lights out 0-100 yards ...ya at $395 shipped bullboss with a tin of pellets could not pass on that one... field supply
bullboss is just a lighter gladius although the gladius looks to have better finished parts from what I see ..the 2 barrel air tube bands /side metal plates on the action are of better finish on the gladius ... not a deal breaker at this price ..
the gladius I have was one of the 1st batches to come over close to 2 years ago ..maybe they made um nicer ? to begin with ? don't know ... I have to say the action on this new bullboss seems to operate real nice ... hope this one shoots like the gladius does ..really like the way it shoulders .. I will test it tomorrow with jsb's and see what I got ...