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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: rabbitguy on January 01, 2017, 04:33:21 PM
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It's a nice rifle a little front heavy but it seem like that will balance out when the scope is installed. I will post some chrony numbers later since there is limited info on this rifle. Any questions just ask?
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Let us know what it does!
I have one in .25 but sent it off to have a LW .177 barrel installed.
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What Jeff said...he's the only other guy I know who owns one so curious to see the numbers and hear about yours. Congrats on the new rifle :)
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Let us know what it does!
I have one in .25 but sent it off to have a LW .177 barrel installed.
Where did you send it?
-Y
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Well here are the number's
H&N FTT. 14.66 grn
1. 655.6
2. 646.3
3. 634.9
4. 638.3
5. 640.3
6. 639.8
7. 637.3
8. 635.1
9. 633.8
10. 642.3
Excite plinking pellets 12.96 grn
1.732.7
2. 713.1
3. 727.6
4. 741.9
5. 738.7
6. 723.6
7.721.0
8. 739.9
9.698.1
10.736.6
The rifle is somewhat hard to cock, not recommended for anyone who might have back issues. Cocking it Puts a lot of stress on the middle back for sure. The barrel was not cleaned I just pulled from the packaging and began shooting it. At first the groups at 10 yards were more than 1" CTC but that changed. After a 100 + rounds it was getting 1/2 groups with most pellets I tried.
I'm really not expecting much from the .25 cal after seeing these numbers.
Don't get me wrong, it is a nice rifle but if I had paid the going price I would not be happy with those numbers.
But, I got two rifles for 361.46 shipped so I am OK with it. I plan on taking this one apart to see what's inside.
As strong as that spring feels it should be getting better numbers.
Any ideas of where and what I should look at first to get the numbers up?
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The numbers sound low. My Torpedo 100X/.22 averages 865 FPS for 23.75 FPE with CPUM's, 14.3gr. and is pretty easy to cock. I would think the Dominator should be close, what does the Hatsan website claim for FPS with lead pellets? Could be a nicked piston seal?
On edit, the Hatsan site claims 800 FPS for the .22 carbine. Since these are new, not refurbs I'd get in touch with Hatsan USA before you take it apart.
http://www.hatsan.com.tr/dominator_200s_carbine.html (http://www.hatsan.com.tr/dominator_200s_carbine.html)
And the site lists the same 800 FPS for the 100X/.22 ........somethin' ain't right!
http://www.hatsan.com.tr/en_torpedo_100x.html (http://www.hatsan.com.tr/en_torpedo_100x.html)
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The numbers sound low. My Torpedo 100X/.22 averages 865 FPS for 23.75 FPE with CPUM's, 14.3gr. and is pretty easy to cock. I would think the Dominator should be close, what does the Hatsan website claim for FPS with lead pellets? Could be a nicked piston seal?
They claim 800fps and this is a new rifle not used or refurbished.
I am pretty sure my 100x .25 cal is pushing pellets faster. I'm also getting a good 22 23 fpe from the two I have.
The 100x seems twice as easy to cock and that's no joke.
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
Good idea. Also, the FPS quoted from the Hatsan site (800 FPS for both the Dominator & Torpedo 100X in .22) are for the Vortex version. My experience is that the springers usually shoot 5-10% faster....maybe why my 100X/.22 springer gets a consistent 865 FPS with 14.3gr pellets.
Good luck with it, I've found Hatsan USA service to be generally good.
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
Just curious, how does the .25 shoot?
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Let us know what it does!
I have one in .25 but sent it off to have a LW .177 barrel installed.
Where did you send it?
-Y
Yogi
Jeff sent it to Rocker1( David ) to have the barrel swap done. He bought the gun from me and can tell you more of what he is having done by Rocker1.
Mike
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
Just curious, how does the .25 shoot?
I do not have numbers for it yet.
I decided to take the .22 apart and found
What I hope is the reason for the low fps.
I have made repairs and will run it over the chrony
Tomorrow.
It should do much better.
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Look...
That is the top of the compression tube.
It screws in and that is not all rust, it's what they used as thread locker to seal it. I cleaned this up and used an oring and thread thread locker for a better seal. Way better trust me on that.
I will find out for sure if that helped once I run it over the chrony.
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Look...
That is the top of the compression tube.
It screws in and that is not all rust, it's what they used as thread locker to seal it. I cleaned this up and used an oring and thread thread locker for a better seal. Way better trust me on that.
I will find out for sure if that helped once I run it over the chrony.
That looks like that gun must have set in storage on a ship or container for quite a while to accumulate that amount of corrosion inside the guns compression tube.
Should be 100% better now for sure. So it did not have a o ring to seal the nut at all, is there a groove in the nut for one to be installed and captured when threaded in place.
Mike
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Look...
That is the top of the compression tube.
It screws in and that is not all rust, it's what they used as thread locker to seal it. I cleaned this up and used an oring and thread thread locker for a better seal. Way better trust me on that.
I will find out for sure if that helped once I run it over the chrony.
Looks nasty! What is the build date?...(first 4 digits of the S/N...like 0814 would be Aug 2014). Did it arrive in a sealed factory plastic sleeve? My Hatsans bought new in the last 2 years range from 2012 to 2016. It will be interesting to see the FPS numbers with the tube sealed, was the piston seal in good shape?
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Both have a date code of 0312 and both were factory sealed. The piston seal is in good condition. Both rifles are in great condition, absolutely no rust anywhere outside or inside the rifle. What you see in the picture is a deteriorating sealant. I will post more pictures and a video of it later. It's going to be in the 30s tomorrow but I will get out there and try it out.
30s ......... for me is super cold. Lol
I will definitely be taking it apart and giving it a good tune after the test. It's still the same except for the sealed compression tube.
So any increase in fps will be due to the sealed tube.
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
Just curious, how does the .25 shoot?
Here you go and it's not good.
Exact king .25
25.39grn.
1. 470.3
2. 461.9
3. 472.7
4. 470.1
5. 463.2
6. 471.4
7. 472.2
8. 474.8
9. 470.8
10. 477.1
Barracuda Hunter Extreme
28.40 grn
1. 460.1
2. 458.1
3. 462.3
4. 466.6
5. 423.5
6. 458.9
7. 458.7
8. 464.2
9. 452.8
10. 468.3
I'm sure the numbers will improve after the repair but it will still be low power for a .25
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Both have a date code of 0312 and both were factory sealed. The piston seal is in good condition. Both rifles are in great condition, absolutely no rust anywhere outside or inside the rifle. What you see in the picture is a deteriorating sealant. I will post more pictures and a video of it later. It's going to be in the 30s tomorrow but I will get out there and try it out.
30s ......... for me is super cold. Lol
I will definitely be taking it apart and giving it a good tune after the test. It's still the same except for the sealed compression tube.
So any increase in fps will be due to the sealed tube.
Well the rifles have been sitting dormant for 5 years, not surprised that the sealant would be deteriorated (depending on what they used). The Hatsans I've bought that were still in the original sealed plastic sleeves were pretty heavily oiled up, I suspect for the Atlantic voyage and storage in a warehouse somewhere.
How is the .25 vs the .22 re velocity & FPE? I was tempted to bite @ $169 but I've had issues with the Hatsan plastic stocks and will only buy wood now (except for their PCP's with no recoil).
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
Just curious, how does the .25 shoot?
Here you go and it's not good.
Exact king .25
25.39grn.
1. 470.3
2. 461.9
3. 472.7
4. 470.1
5. 463.2
6. 471.4
7. 472.2
8. 474.8
9. 470.8
10. 477.1
Barracuda Hunter Extreme
28.40 grn
1. 460.1
2. 458.1
3. 462.3
4. 466.6
5. 423.5
6. 458.9
7. 458.7
8. 464.2
9. 452.8
10. 468.3
I'm sure the numbers will improve after the repair but it will still be low power for a .25
No, that's not good. What numbers to you get with your 100X .25's? According to the Hatsan website the Dominator should shoot the same FPS as the 100X (650 FPS).
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Here are the new numbers for the repaired .22
FTT
14.66 grn
1. 718.9
2. 698.6
3. 723.2
4. 736.2
5. 734.8
6. 726.7
7. 737.3
8. 735.8
9. 720.0
10. 731.1
Excite plinking
12.96 grn
1. 806.3
2. 806.3
3. 801.2
4. 808.2
5. 808.5
6. 804.2
7. 799.1
8. 800.2
9. 806.8
10. 800.8
There was an improvement for sure and I'm sure a little more speed can be gained.
Next step is to take it down and tune it.
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
Just curious, how does the .25 shoot?
Here you go and it's not good.
Exact king .25
25.39grn.
1. 470.3
2. 461.9
3. 472.7
4. 470.1
5. 463.2
6. 471.4
7. 472.2
8. 474.8
9. 470.8
10. 477.1
Barracuda Hunter Extreme
28.40 grn
1. 460.1
2. 458.1
3. 462.3
4. 466.6
5. 423.5
6. 458.9
7. 458.7
8. 464.2
9. 452.8
10. 468.3
I'm sure the numbers will improve after the repair but it will still be low power for a .25
No, that's not good. What numbers to you get with your 100X .25's? According to the Hatsan website the Dominator should shoot the same FPS as the 100X (650 FPS).
I will have to check those again. I doubt the dominator can make the Same power as the 100x since the 100x has a slight bigger powerplant
I will run them over the chrony when I get a chance
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Here are the new numbers for the repaired .22
FTT
14.66 grn
1. 718.9
2. 698.6
3. 723.2
4. 736.2
5. 734.8
6. 726.7
7. 737.3
8. 735.8
9. 720.0
10. 731.1
Excite plinking
12.96 grn
1. 806.3
2. 806.3
3. 801.2
4. 808.2
5. 808.5
6. 804.2
7. 799.1
8. 800.2
9. 806.8
10. 800.8
There was an improvement for sure and I'm sure a little more speed can be gained.
Next step is to take it down and tune it.
Yep better but not up to snuff with the numbers i get with a 100X/.22 (865 with 14.4gr), I wonder if the powerplant in the 2 is the same?
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I will have to check those again. I doubt the dominator can make the Same power as the 100x since the 100x has a slight bigger powerplant
I will run them over the chrony when I get a chance
I'll run some Hatsan/Vortex 19.9gr .25's in my 100X and see if they hit the 650 mark. I assume that is the pellet they test them with? I wonder why they state the same FPS for the Dominator & Torpedo if not the same powerplant.
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There were reports of undersized seals coming from Hatsan some time ago. Could this be an issue with your rifles?
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There were reports of undersized seals coming from Hatsan some time ago. Could this be an issue with your rifles?
It's definitely not a tight seal so that is something I need to look into. What size seal would fit?
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The Dominator and 100X have the same bore.
Only the stroke might be different but I don't know for sure.
The ARH piston seals work the best in the Hatsans once fitted properly.
This is the seal you want.
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/10055863.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/10055863.htm)
If I recall right, I was getting about 650 FPS with JSB 25.4's in .25 before I sent it off.
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The Dominator and 100X have the same bore.
Only the stroke might be different but I don't know for sure.
The ARH piston seals work the best in the Hatsans once fitted properly.
This is the seal you want.
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/10055863.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/10055863.htm)
If I recall right, I was getting about 650 FPS with JSB 25.4's in .25 before I sent it off.
If that is the correct seal then I will order 2.
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If you check the HatsanUSA web site and go to Parts?
It shows which Guns use which seals.
I know the seal I linked is a great seal as I use those for 95 and Striker rebuilds.
I also still have 2 in my kit box. Those are going to be used on a couple SuperChargers.
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Cooi, i see what you mean. I went ahead and ordered two seals.
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When I fit the seals, I turn them so 2.25 pounds will push them in.
There's several ways you can work the seal lip.
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When I fit the seals, I turn them so 2.25 pounds will push them in.
There's several ways you can work the seal lip.
What would be the easiest way to work the seal lip, I would hate to damage a pricey seal.
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A drill press or a lathe is what I use.
I use an expandable fixture I made to go inside the piston to chuck it up.
It's just a bolt with a couple washers and nuts and a rubber spacer that gets compressed.
I prefer fitting the seal when it's on the piston itself.
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That's good info, I will try that.
Thanks
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I just touch it with a bit of 400/600 grit wet/dry then test fit with a 2.25 pound weight I made.
You could use a quart of water as a weight if you like a 2 pound seal.
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The Dominator and 100X have the same bore.
Only the stroke might be different but I don't know for sure.
The ARH piston seals work the best in the Hatsans once fitted properly.
This is the seal you want.
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/10055863.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/10055863.htm)
If I recall right, I was getting about 650 FPS with JSB 25.4's in .25 before I sent it off.
Jeff
If you recall that dominator you got from me had the D48 spring in it since the factory spring was bent from the safety link breaking and getting jammed in the spring when cocking. So if it shot at 650 when you got it as I don't remember what I chronyed it at but I believe it was close to that then. I do know the D48 spring was shorter than the factory spring by about 3 inches but don't remember if the wire was the same size or not but it will make a difference in the power output. I do know it was a two handed cocker with the factory spring versus only one hand with the D48 spring but that does not mean much either.
Just thought I would put that out there.
Mike
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I was waiting for you to spill the spring change.
The 48 Spring I doubt has a lot to do with it shooting 650's.
Based off my 48 .177 and several Hatsans of the same power plant?
It would probably do the same with a stock spring once tuned which you did.
;)
I just have to figure out how to get David to give it back now!
;D
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I was waiting for you to spill the spring change.
The 48 Spring I doubt has a lot to do with it shooting 650's.
Based off my 48 .177 and several Hatsans of the same power plant?
It would probably do the same with a stock spring once tuned which you did.
;)
I just have to figure out how to get David to give it back now!
;D
Yea I believe you are correct that there is not going to be much difference between springs since you can only compress the volume of air the chamber has so fast regardless of the strength of the spring. It was way over sprung from the factory for sure.
Yea I was wondering if David likes it so much that he's just going to keep it. You may have to twist his arm to let go of it. ;D ;D ;)
Mike
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Well the .25 cal Dominator carbine just arrived. Too bad I'm at work. I will run it over the chrony and get some numbers on that one before I make a call to Hatsan.
Just FYI, I ran the 100X/.25 springer over the chrony and it's getting 714 FPS avg, 22.6 FPE with vortex 19.91gr pellets. Most all of the Hatsans I've tested run higher FPS than advertised. According to their website, the Dominator should shoot on par with the 100X.