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Yeah, just not sure how to feel about these groups as witnessed by probably 10 people yesterday! So I need your opinions.......lol!
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%207.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%207.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%208.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%208.jpg.html)
YEPPERS, THIS GROUP MEASURES .490" CTC and is easily covered with a quarter (.955" OD)
Next up is the very horrible LEE BULLETS. These guys still managed a respectable 5/8".
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%205.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%205.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%206.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%206.jpg.html)
Last but not least, another cast bullet tested and proven to shoot under at least MOA. This group was not measured by calipers as I lost the target on the way home but, again, still covered by a quarter. And was shot twice on the same target at same fill pressure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%201.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%201.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%202.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%202.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%204.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%204.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%203.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%203.jpg.html)
Now, before everyone gets off on their high "HOW TO SHOOT no less than 10 shots into a group to tell consistency and accuracy" rheteric (sp?), these groups were shot back to back with 3 different bullets at the same fill pressures. Also, this gun is UNFINISHED and is still in the testing mode. When it is done, i don't expect much to change. We shall see though when that day soon comes.
Oh yeah! BTW, 2 things! 1, this is a hunting gun and not a target/bench gun. These groups are 100 yards and NOT 50-60-75. More details to come as the questions roll in.
Tofazfou
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Looks like a deadly combo. Not one but three different slugs shooting that well . I'm impressed , now let's see some more of the long range shooting . Just for a reference , what are you sizing to ? + or - bore size.
Thanks .
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What is this trickery you speak of? Looks good to me!
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That's nice shooting. I did get 4 out of 5 half inch center to center, the fifth shot made it three quarter inch. With my Scorpion SE .22.
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Looks like a deadly combo. Not one but three different slugs shooting that well . I'm impressed , now let's see some more of the long range shooting . Just for a reference , what are you sizing to ? + or - bore size.
Thanks .
+.0003 which is about normal for all my long range guns.
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What is this trickery you speak of? Looks good to me!
Lol, just testing a few ideas i had for a rig Doug is helping me put together. Built on the NEW Epox Badger platform
That's nice shooting. I did get 4 out of 5 half inch center to center, the fifth shot made it three quarter inch. With my Scorpion SE .22.
Gotta love BSA air rifles. Wish i never would have sold mine! Thanks for posting.
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That one bullet looks awsome, nice job on the design.
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I think the next time we talk on the phone, I'm gonna reach thru it and SLAP Ya for just asking such a question!
And ONLY over the phone, because your a Leeetle bit bigger than me. And a LOT Younger! ;D
Knife
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That one bullet looks awsome, nice job on the design.
LMBO. Geez, Thanks! I worked hard on it.....lol!
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I think the next time we talk on the phone, I'm gonna reach thru it and SLAP Ya for just asking such a question!
And ONLY over the phone, because your a Leeetle bit bigger than me. And a LOT Younger! ;D
Knife
But Mike, you never gave me your answer......LMBO!
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Hunting rifle and not a bench target gun....... HMMMM must going after Chipmunks and head shots nuttin under a hundred only ;D
Nice groups that's for sure, nice work cant wait until your finished with it... looking pretty good.
William
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.375? Some details of the gun please.
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Looks good Cedric, I'm quessing .338 although bullets look a bit short for that.
How about some specs, like barrel length and twist rate, velocity?
No point shooting more than 3 when testing, the groups aren't getting any smaller after the 3 shots.
Marko
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Is that the .40 Cal Badger??? ???
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Yeah, just not sure how to feel about these groups as witnessed by probably 10 people yesterday! So I need your opinions.......lol!
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%207.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%207.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%208.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%208.jpg.html)
YEPPERS, THIS GROUP MEASURES .490" CTC and is easily covered with a quarter (.955" OD)
Next up is the very horrible LEE BULLETS. These guys still managed a respectable 5/8".
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%205.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%205.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%206.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%206.jpg.html)
Last but not least, another cast bullet tested and proven to shoot under at least MOA. This group was not measured by calipers as I lost the target on the way home but, again, still covered by a quarter. And was shot twice on the same target at same fill pressure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%201.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%201.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%202.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%202.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%204.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%204.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%203.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%203.jpg.html)
Now, before everyone gets off on their high "HOW TO SHOOT no less than 10 shots into a group to tell consistency and accuracy" rheteric (sp?), these groups were shot back to back with 3 different bullets at the same fill pressures. Also, this gun is UNFINISHED and is still in the testing mode. When it is done, i don't expect much to change. We shall see though when that day soon comes.
Oh yeah! BTW, 2 things! 1, this is a hunting gun and not a target/bench gun. These groups are 100 yards and NOT 50-60-75. More details to come as the questions roll in.
Tofazfou
https://www.youtube.com/user/tofazfou/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/tofazfou/videos)
http://tofazfou.blogspot.com/ (http://tofazfou.blogspot.com/)
Great shooting! Eh... 10 shot groups, I only get one at an animal, after 4 I forget what I was doing anyway. How is that the guns fault?
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Very nice Cedric! Are you shooting tethered or free? Funny how the long range calibers keep getting BIGGER :)
Tom
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I was out there with Cedric and a whole group of us shooting. You should have seen Cedric all excited about his gun like a kid on Christmas. It is not just the gun, Cedric is a very good shot and puts a lot of time and effort into this hobby. Doug Noble put his expertise in the build, Cedric with dedication: expect no less.
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It is not just the gun, Cedric is a very good shot and puts a lot of time and effort into this hobby. Doug Noble put his expertise in the build, Cedric with dedication: expect no less.
Winning combo right there. Look forward to hearing more. Nice work!
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Well the only Lee Mould I can see that is 250 gr. is .375 cal.... Nice shooting, Ced, especially with 3 different bullets.... Looks like you have another winning combination....
Bob
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Cedric, Looks like it is working? What is it? Where are the pics of gun? Inquiring minds want to know?
Carl
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Lee mold?Which one and from where?
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Lee bullet moulds.... http://leeprecision.com/bullet-casting/rifle-bullet-molds/ (http://leeprecision.com/bullet-casting/rifle-bullet-molds/) .... I think the one Ced used above is a #379-20-RF....
Bob
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.375? Some details of the gun please.
Yeppers! .375 caliber. The gun is a build upon the new EPOX BADGER 40 cal. There will be a write up on the gun revealing all details soon. ALL DETAIL! No secret. I just don't want to keep repeating the same info over and over then when i do a write up, there will be nothing more to tell ;)
Hunting rifle and not a bench target gun....... HMMMM must going after Chipmunks and head shots nuttin under a hundred only ;D
Nice groups that's for sure, nice work cant wait until your finished with it... looking pretty good.
William
Thanks William. I will soon reveal all.
Looks good Cedric, I'm quessing .338 although bullets look a bit short for that.
How about some specs, like barrel length and twist rate, velocity?
No point shooting more than 3 when testing, the groups aren't getting any smaller after the 3 shots.
Marko
Trust me Marko, i feel the same way about groups. 5 shot groups are fine enough by me. I'm no bench shooter and because i shoot tethered and sort many of my slugs to .5 a grain, 5 shots tells me all i need to know.
Is that the .40 Cal Badger??? ???
Yes sir! A custom build with sort of a twist for accuracy "GUARANTEE"....lol!
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Yeah, just not sure how to feel about these groups as witnessed by probably 10 people yesterday! So I need your opinions.......lol!
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%207.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%207.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%208.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%208.jpg.html)
YEPPERS, THIS GROUP MEASURES .490" CTC and is easily covered with a quarter (.955" OD)
Next up is the very horrible LEE BULLETS. These guys still managed a respectable 5/8".
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%205.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%205.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%206.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%206.jpg.html)
Last but not least, another cast bullet tested and proven to shoot under at least MOA. This group was not measured by calipers as I lost the target on the way home but, again, still covered by a quarter. And was shot twice on the same target at same fill pressure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%201.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%201.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%202.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%202.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%204.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%204.jpg.html)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/tofazfou/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%203.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/tofazfou/media/BADGER%20.375%20cal%20results%203.jpg.html)
Now, before everyone gets off on their high "HOW TO SHOOT no less than 10 shots into a group to tell consistency and accuracy" rheteric (sp?), these groups were shot back to back with 3 different bullets at the same fill pressures. Also, this gun is UNFINISHED and is still in the testing mode. When it is done, i don't expect much to change. We shall see though when that day soon comes.
Oh yeah! BTW, 2 things! 1, this is a hunting gun and not a target/bench gun. These groups are 100 yards and NOT 50-60-75. More details to come as the questions roll in.
Tofazfou
https://www.youtube.com/user/tofazfou/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/tofazfou/videos)
http://tofazfou.blogspot.com/ (http://tofazfou.blogspot.com/)
Great shooting! Eh... 10 shot groups, I only get one at an animal, after 4 I forget what I was doing anyway. How is that the guns fault?
Yes sir, I 100% agree wholeheartedly. *(&^, after 2-3 shots i would just stop shooting cause something is OBVIOUSLY WRONG! ;D
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Very nice Cedric! Are you shooting tethered or free? Funny how the long range calibers keep getting BIGGER :)
Tom
Tom,
Super questions for a couple reasons. 1, yes, the groups where shot tethered because the gun and slugs are in the testing mode. 2nd, i still have to figure out how i want to tune the gun UNTETHERED and that will probably change some things. The hammer and springs still are not right and i'm having a couple of custom hammers made. I simply HATE the hammer/spring combo in the badger and my corsair. They are custom made springs and you can't find them anywhere because the maker has them custom wound IIRC! Like the DAQs. Some i'm having NEW hammers made to fit springs that are more commonly found. The guns valve at its heart is still a simple KNOCK OPEN and is not for being super efficient. And its only a 1" tube. So lots of tuning and playing going to happen but i don't think it will ever be more than a 3 shot accurate/untethered gun. A new valve would have to be made or the power turned down.
And yes, the long range calibers get bigger and bigger but this one is actually for shorter long range like 200 yards and under and is more for hunting bigger animals from Yote on up. I will keep the 257 and 7mm for long range out to 500 yards and game from Yote size on down. But my beliefs is that even a hunting gun can print TARGET GUN sized groups. WHY CAN'T IT!? ;) ;) ;) ;) your mind is your limit.
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I was out there with Cedric and a whole group of us shooting. You should have seen Cedric all excited about his gun like a kid on Christmas. It is not just the gun, Cedric is a very good shot and puts a lot of time and effort into this hobby. Doug Noble put his expertise in the build, Cedric with dedication: expect no less.
Nick, I have to give you a big thumbs up and kudos for producing a great drawing for all these big bore bullets. Each one of them is proving to shoot MOA or Sub-MOA from the Texan 457/357 down to my new 375. These include the .40 cal slug you just designed for the badger 40 cal that i just posted on. WOW! So thanks for the Kudos and I send them right back at you because you yourself throw tons of money into bringing us custom cast and swagged ammo or our BB Guns.....lol!
It is not just the gun, Cedric is a very good shot and puts a lot of time and effort into this hobby. Doug Noble put his expertise in the build, Cedric with dedication: expect no less.
Winning combo right there. Look forward to hearing more. Nice work!
Thanks Chris. more to soon come!
Well the only Lee Mould I can see that is 250 gr. is .375 cal.... Nice shooting, Ced, especially with 3 different bullets.... Looks like you have another winning combination....
Bob
Bob, thanks and thats the 1. The only 1 like you said that lee makes. Thanks again.
Cedric, Looks like it is working? What is it? Where are the pics of gun? Inquiring minds want to know?
Carl
Carl, its a 375 based off the Badger 40 cal. The gun is still very much in the raw and a few things need to be refinished before i post pics. I have pics but, the gun is not at her best or finished. You know i will post up all the details once i'm done. Thanks for inquiring Carl.
Lee mold?Which one and from where?
The .379-250 for Lee. 375 cal. You can get them anywhere. Just google
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Yeah! Pic's!!! Grrrrr!!!!!
Knife
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Oh, did I mention, Gun- barrel length-Cal-velocity at pressure. You know, just the little things? ;)
Knife
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Oh, did I mention, Gun- barrel length-Cal-velocity at pressure. You know, just the little things? ;)
Knife
Knife, all the info is coming out soon. I'm waiting on parts 1st before i can give accurate info, numbers and measurements etc...etc...etc
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WOW ! you ditched the 40 cal barrel ? it looks like it shoots good .... my badger shoots great with the 40 barrel... these 196g bullets " Bobs designed accurate mold " ones are doing the trick ... right at 900 fps 3900 psi teathered this morning ... look at the the middle upper 2 holes on the target paper ... the hole to the right I put 3 bullets in a row at 50 yards ... then I had 1 bullet pull a little to the left and honestly it could of been me getting to exited about the first 3 to the right ha ! ha !
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WOW ! you ditched the 40 cal barrel ? it looks like it shoots good .... my badger shoots great with the 40 barrel... these 196g bullets " Bobs designed accurate mold " ones are doing the trick ... right at 900 fps 3900 psi teathered this morning ... look at the the middle upper 2 holes on the target paper ... the hole to the right I put 3 bullets in a row at 50 yards ... then I had 1 bullet pull a little to the left and honestly it could of been me getting to exited about the first 3 to the right ha ! ha !
Dan,
I did "REMOVE" the 40 cal barrel and went with another caliber but, the barrel is still around and the gun will be a dual caliber. I will never sell that 40 cal barrel. Might even use it for a future project. ;)
And your right, the 40 cal barrel is spot on with accuracy. Pretty great purchase for 599 HUH?! ;) ;D 8)
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Oh, did I mention, Gun- barrel length-Cal-velocity at pressure. You know, just the little things? ;)
Knife
;)
Knife
Knife, all the info is coming out soon. I'm waiting on parts 1st before i can give accurate info, numbers and measurements etc...etc...etc