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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: one_shot on September 12, 2016, 11:00:16 PM
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I just picked one at local academy for $109.
Not much info out there on it,one thread states different part number nitro piston than the titans.
The gun is basicaly a b19 version of the trail xl series.
Or a titan with shrouded barrel and weaver rail,sling mount,better wood with checkering and beni engravings.
Limited run 2015 year only.
A youtube vid chronies her at 772-778 with 15 grain rds.
Nothing on crosmans website
What do you guys know about it.
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Some quick pics
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Hmm.. If my memory serves me, that looks identical to my recently sold Trail NP. Maybe Rushmore=Trail NP- 3-9X40 Scope.
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Possibility....i had forgotton about the trail mp version. I been outta the hobby for awhile.
Its a nice gun,hope it shoots well.
It did come with 3-9x40 cp scope.
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Sofar i got about 50 rds of cphp thru her,very powerful....but still puffing lite smoke after every shot.
Been outta guns for awhile....maybe this gun will bring me back in.
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I just picked one up from my local Academy, that I had arranged them to receive via store-to-store transfer from another store about 3 weeks ago.
It is a clearance item, and Academy is now offering an ADDITIONAL 25% off clearance prices.
So, I got it for $82.41+ tax.
If I had wanted to apply for an Academy credit card, I could have received another $15.00 discount!!
If I'd kept going, I probably could have had them pay me to take it.....................
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Thats a smokin deal.
The stock is almost worth that price....lol
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Small update
Had a few mins free time,setup at 15 yards best i pulled was 1 in group with cphps. Around 100 rds deep,smell of model train smoke every other shot.
She still aint broke in but groups closing up.
I used to be really good with airguns and tight groups......gotta get back to that.
Still have my old stoeger x10 with over 15k rounds thru it.
Installed nitro piston and blew the seal 2k rds later.
I would shoot a bees head off at 15 yards from a rest with a cheap 4x32 scope.
Ill be good again.....stay tunned.
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150-160 rounds
10 yards sitting no rest....that one stray round....lol
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Good luck with your rifle, RC and airguns, that's one deep money pit. ;D
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Good luck with your rifle, RC and airguns, that's one deep money pit. ;D
Hadent seen your name in awhile....lol.(i could be thinking about robertw)
I slowly got outta rc,i really dont have any hobbies anymore.
Still intrested.....just limited on time/money to do things.
Dead oilfield kinda sent me bankrupt.....well my choices.
Im still itchin to be a good shooter again though.
Thanx for the luck.
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Cash is tight around here also so I kind of know how you feel, I have the RC stuff too but for now it is one or the other, pellets are cheaper than RC fuel and replacing broken parts.
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Tonight i setup,really not feeling like a shooter tonight.
12 yards best i planted was a 1.25 group.
Tried different holds,retightened stock screws and scope....still terrible.50 more rnds to the count.i only shoot cphps in all my guns,tonight i tried some gamo rnd ball......suprisingly in a 5 shot group i had 4 shots under 1 in spread.
Rnd ball does some damage on impact.
Ill try again another time,im really itchin to get back to dime size groups.
May have to overhaul the old stoeger x10 177 to get me back into shape.
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400 rnds deep into this rushmore....not going well.
10 yards shooting through a compressed 10 in foam block backed by 1/4 in fiberglass.blowing through that.
Pretty impressive....but grouping is all over.
Some dime 3-4 shot groups with a stray upto 2 in off.
Tightened stock screws....no improvement.
Removed the barrel shroud ....i now had horizontial strings but quarter width group.
Inspected shroud nut.......just as i suspected,pellets clipping the end.
Retrieved a few rounds from the block.
The accurate ones look as the should....then some were definate tumblers striking sideways and backwards.
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Looks like it is time for you to try H&N Field Target Trophy, or JSB Exact Kings in your Rushmore. Just remember to thank me later. All my Crosman NP and NP2 air rifles really like them. They produce sub-nickel size groups in my springers, and sub-dime sized in my PCP at 25 yards.
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Trust me id love to beable to buy those rounds again.
But currently im scraping by to pay the bills.
H&n used to be my favorite rounds.
I been needin a tin of cphp s for 3 weeks now,went out to pick some up.....$9 a tin.
5years ago id pay $5 a tin of 500.
I cant believe the cost jump.
Couldnt imagine the h&n,jsb,meister price now a days.
I agree accuracy will increase.....but gotta solve my pellet clipping problem first.
Ive always been a cphp fan,ive owned 36 air rifles.....32 of them loved cphp.
They used to be a bargain.
Some of my old shooting
https://youtu.be/sjd7gAxtXLQ
Looks like it is time for you to try H&N Field Target Trophy, or JSB Exact Kings in your Rushmore. Just remember to thank me later. All my Crosman NP and NP2 air rifles really like them. They produce sub-nickel size groups in my springers, and sub-dime sized in my PCP at 25 yards.
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Last night ive removed the barrel shroud and drilled the exit hole to 9/32 dia.
Shot 2 quick groups,both under a dime at 10 yards.
Something about that "dang" hex exit hole throws off my rounds.
Ill do some more grouping and keep posting progress.
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So more testing today
Last nights groups musta been pure luck.
Today 1.25 was average,removed shroud and shurnk down to 3/4-1 inch,atleast 3 rds make a 3/8 group then open up with 4th and 5th shot.
I even tried some hunter extremes and barracuda match,those groups were 1 1/4
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Ill post up more later on tonight or tomorrow,a great member here sent me some rounds to try.
Im in a rushbut i had to hurry up n try them
-jsb exact jumbo heavy
-jsb exact jumbo
-h&n field target
-h&n field target trophy
Done 2 quick groups with all these rounds.
Tighest groups were with the h&n s,those groups were dime size,both jsbs groups were mixed 3/4-1 inch.
Keep in mind these were rush groups,and im still getting burnt oil smell from the rushmore.
Im very thankfull for the rounds donated.
I had so much faith in the cphp,but they have let me down.
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If only crosman would redo their dies, cphps would take off. People want so much to love them, but the inconsistencies just leave too much to be desired. I use em for breakin only in my guns
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I bought a re-furbished Rushmore from a fellow and it wouldn't shoot. The biggest issues were a dirty barrel and a damaged piston seal...After cleaning, deburring and a new seal, she is a very nice shooter. Crosman ultra domes work well...I also installed a Charlie trigger but that almost goes without saying on these rifles.
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If only crosman would redo their dies, cphps would take off. People want so much to love them, but the inconsistencies just leave too much to be desired. I use em for breakin only in my guns
If only crosman would redo their dies, cphps would take off. People want so much to love them, but the inconsistencies just leave too much to be desired. I use em for breakin only in my guns
Years ago i only shot 177 cphps,placed 197 out of 200 score in a 10 meter comp .
Last few tins of cphps i picked up were simply disapointing.
I put cphs up against meisters,numerous jsbs,rws rounds,cphps gave me the best result.
Guess those days are over.
Thanx for restoring my faith in this shooter dave
Ftts on top,jsb heavy on right
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Nice shooting, nick! My crosman/benjamins all like wither jsbs or ftts the best, just amazing how well they shoot them.
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Not bad for a cold quick group.
Im finally putting together my duct seal trap,gotta make some targets and print a few groups.
I was bout to shelf the gun in fear of a knicked seal,i lost all hope for gaining accuracy.
If it wasnt for you,id be losing intrest.
But now im considering polishing up this $)((# trigger and see what i can do.
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Glad i could help, nick. This is a family here, ill always do what i can for my family. The rushmore uses the older trigger group that can use the grtIII?
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Thanx dave,this should bring a smile to your face.
10 yards from sitting rest
Poa was center target,first group was sight in
All stock gun n scope combo
Ftt is its prefered round,ill try n stretch out further distance.
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VERY NICE! Those groups should bring a smile to your face, much better than the cphps were gettin ya. I wish it was a little warmer here so i could shoot a bit more. We got snow today. My guns dont see any precipitation, so was a boring day for me and my stable
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Its humid here,at sundown everything is damp.
I shot into 1" thick duct seal,at 10 yards i penetrate about 7/8ths deep.
Im kinda affraid stacking lead may blow thru.....should i worry or will it be fine?
Been having supplies to build this for awhile,never had a duct seal pellet trap before.
These groups reminds me of my disco days.
I still cant say thank you enough to justify the smile on my face every shot.
Thanx brother.
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Well....time to call it.
Last weekend i was printing very consistant 1/4-3/8 groups shooting ftts from a rest.tonight i made 2 nice 3/8 groups then everything opened up to 1 in and up.
No matter which round i used.....and the barrel was dark smoke filled after every shot.
Im calling it a blown seal in a gun with around 700 shots.
And i dont wanna talk about this throw away scope too much,but its useless past 16 yards,no mater how much zoom.....theres not enough travel on the ep to get target and crosshairs clear.
Either both blurry,or image blurry.
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Well....time to call it.
Last weekend i was printing very consistant 1/4-3/8 groups shooting ftts from a rest.tonight i made 2 nice 3/8 groups then everything opened up to 1 in and up.
No matter which round i used.....and the barrel was dark smoke filled after every shot.
Im calling it a blown seal in a gun with around 700 shots.
And i dont wanna talk about this throw away scope too much,but its useless past 16 yards,no mater how much zoom.....theres not enough travel on the ep to get target and crosshairs clear.
Either both blurry,or image blurry.
Is it just the scope starting to give you trouble? Maybe if you have a different scope to try before condeming the internals. If it does need a seal, theyre easy to work on, send me a pm if you want/need any help or anything
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I tried 2 other scopes.....same result.
Ill get to it eventually and rebuild her.
I have 2 other b19s that need seals aswell.
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Ill try another 100 shots,maybe its just a phase shes going through.
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What you should do is sell the Rushmore, a B19 and some RC cars and have the other B19 tuned. Then, you'll have one good shooter and all will be well.
On my NP2, I'm finding it likes CPUMs and CPHPs, but I get a flyer once in awhile that opens up a tight group, and it's not me. Bad quality on the pellets. The fancy Euro pellets don't shoot as tightly, but there are no flyers either. Also, the CPs are a really hard alloy, that just blows through animals, instead of transferring energy. The pure lead of the fancy Euro pellets are the way to go.
To make it affordable, buy four tins of a pellet she likes at pyramyd; the 4th tin is free. Just watch the shipping charges.
Lastly, stock Crosman triggers not so good. They're way too heavy to have consistently good groups. Save up and put a Charlie da Tuna in there. When I modded the trigger on my NP2, the groups immediately shrank by 40%.
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Ive sold about all i can,years ago i bought 2 x10 b19's,one was stock the other was tuned by splash at airgun one.
After both had 1000 rounds through them.....i shot them side by side.
Splash was a pretty good tuner,he shortened barrel,crown work,polish job,moly.....the works on my x10.
Shooting wise,my stock twangy x10 was more accurate with multiple rounds vs the splash tuned x10.
The tuned gun was quieter,smoother and way better trigger.
Stock shot 920 fps with cphps,tunned shot 870 fps cphps.
A properly tuned springer will shoot a tamer fps due to the moly.
Accuracy isnt about speed.
I used my stock x10 to place 199 in a comp.same day i also used tuned gun to print a 192.
Ill eventually buy a hand full of apex seals and get them all back upto par.
Im not saying a tuned gun isnt better than a stocker,thats just my experience with 1 tuned springer.
Triggers on every crosman will need work,inconsistant stage pull with every shot.
1 shot will be a lite pull up to the second stage,then a clean predictable break,next shot seems like a tight long first stage with unpredictable break completly missing the second stage.
As i aquire my target i usually break the first stage.once on target all thats left is a firm squeeze then the break.i would like to think ive mastered the crummy crosman trigger.
I still own 5-b19s,(2)stoeger x10s 177 and 22,first batch crosman phantom,a crosmam variant of the phantom with a np,and a rushmore.
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Last week this shooter blew lots of smoke and terrible groups.....tonight its a dime shooter no smoke.
I dont know whats up with this gun,maybe its still picking up crosmans lube thats hidden somewhere.
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I tried 200 rounds of jsb exact jumbo diablo,groups ranged from 3/8-1"
Back to ftts.
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Got about 1000 ronds thru her,shes consistant dime shooter at 10-12 yards.
Anything past that and the scope cant keep up.
At 20 yards theres no way to get a clear view in the factory 3-9x32 &^^& point scope.
No matter what zoom i cant get the hairs clear and the target clear together.
This opens my groups up alot.
So i guess ill stash some money fir a scope,some ftts and maybe a trigger job.
Overall the rushmore turned out to be a bargain @ $100 and some change.
Nice shooter,nice wood and nice performance out the box.
Thanx for all your help.
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Ive installed a better rws glass on her,1/4 groups @ 12 yards with ftts,thanx for all the help guys.
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Heres the groups from sight in with the rws scope and ftts @12 yards from a rest.
3 seperate groups as i sighted in.
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Yup looks like you past break in period , sweet ! :)
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Yeah....took long enough.....but well worth it.
Ive gotta put aside some cash for trigger work/swap and a scope.
Im looking to to stretch out to 50 plus yards with this shooter.
Shes smooth and comfortable to shoot.
If i could get dime @ 50.....id be more than happy,and impressed.
But 22 has alot of drop past 30 yards ....ill try n setup the chrony to see where im at now that shes broke in.
If i had to guess,720-750 fps.
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Sorry I jumped to the end but have you tried a GRT from CharlieDaTuna?
Made a world of difference in my Crosman Genesis.
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Havent tried a grt trugger,will one day though.
I managed to chrony her...not bad with ftts.
700 fps average.
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Ok
Sadness settin in!
I spent a week breaking in a customers hatsun 95 qe vortex gas ram.....i got spoiled for dime groups at 50 yards.
At 23 yards with the rushmore best i can get is nickel-quarter spread groups.
At 10 yards 3/8 average groups.
Its prefered round is h&n ftts.
Tried a few different jsb rounds....no good.
So im guessing its just me causing poor groups past 10
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Ol rushmore is alive n well.hadent played with a springer in about 5 years.took a few rnds to get the hang of it again.....pcp spoils us.
Doing dimes to nickels at 20 yards.....good enough for me.
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Still got mine..in the box.....somewhere...
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Still got mine..in the box.....somewhere...
They are smooth shooters from a limited run in 2015.its a cheaper trail np,with a different nitro piston.its lite,comfortable,and pretty accurate n quiet.has a lil more power than a trail np.not sure why it was discoed,but crosman launched alot of new models in those years.
Still after all this time not much info out ther on the rushmore.
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Still got mine..in the box.....somewhere...
They are smooth shooters from a limited run in 2015.its a cheaper trail np,with a different nitro piston.its lite,comfortable,and pretty accurate n quiet.has a lil more power than a trail np.not sure why it was discoed,but crosman launched alot of new models in those years.
Still after all this time not much info out ther on the rushmore.
I believe this was a private label sort for Academy Sports, IIRC.
I ordered one while on sale that had to be shipped in from another store.
By the time it arrived it went on close-out and I got a deeper discount.....