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I have a post about buying AA S510 but I have looked at the FX Royale 400. FX is about 200 more dollars than the AA S510 Ultimate Sporter. Which one do I buy and why
This is a lot of money to spend on an Air gun and I want to make the best choice. Looking for an accuracy and
consistency . Please reply because I don't know much about which brand is best for me. I have very limited experience with air guns.
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Come on guys. Airguns of Arizona opens in an hour I think.Need advice. Are their better choices?
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No hands on for the FX but love my S510 .177 great rifle and out to 50 yards she is a tack driver
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What are you going to use it for? Target, hunting plinking?
and in what caliber are you looking at?
I personally like the fact that the 400 is lighter weight,
I believe they come with regulator and CF bottles standard now so that is a big plus,
you will get more shot per fill from the 400 but it doesn't have the classic rifle lines of the S510 if you like those...
personally I would most likely go with the FX but you will probably be very happy with either.
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I will use it for hunting and I like to shoot paper just to see how good of a group I can shoot. It will be 22 cal.
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You will be pleased with both rifles.Personaly I would buy the S-510 and I would invest the extra 200 usd in buying a quality scope.
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Thanks for replying. Ordered the FX Royale. Will have it Friday. The regulator and the air capacity is what made the decision for me.
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I do think you made the better choice
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I have a 400 and my son has a 510 .
Both guns are awsome but I like the bigger tank on my fx and I like that the gun lets you know your out of pellets instead of waisting air to find out your empty
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Enjoy it!Happy shooting! :D
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Got FX Royale 400 this afternoon.Shoots good. Won't shoot Baracuda 21.14. JSB 18.13 shoot good.
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After shooting FX some problems showed up. It had about 170 bar on gauge and it shot 789. That speed was fine. 200 bar fill only gave me797 to 805 FPS. At about 170 bar it was shooting about 843 and next shot was 888. Not grouping good at 50 yds at all. 25 yds not bad but not as good as I expected. AOA said to send it back and they would look at it. Really disappointed so far but maybe it will come back better. Hope so. My Benjamin Marauder 22 shoots .250 inch and smaller at 25 yds. at 900fps. Maybe I shouldn't have purchased another gun.
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Bummer sounds like you must have gotten a dud ???
glad to here AOA is helping you out with it.
I've heard so many good reports on the fx 400 I'm thinking it must have been a flawed rifle...?
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It didn't seem to shoot nearly as good as I thought it should and the velocity was all screwed up. Sure hope it comes back better but they got their work cut out for it.
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That's disappointing always heard those royale/bosses were very reliable and proven guns hopefully they'll just send you another
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People on the Internet are claiming 890 to 925 FPS for 18 grain pellet. One half inch groups at 50 yds. That I would be happy with.
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I always seem to get a dud even when I think I am getting the the best.
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No FX rifles in my stable but very happy with my Air Arms S510 and Daystate Huntsman Regal XL
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Don't know right now what will happen with gun but it really not worthy. Took about 2 weeks to decide what to buy
I hope AOA takes care of me and I end up with a good shooting gun.
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Hope they fix you up, nothing like buying a new gun and it doesn't work properly. You probably just got a lemon and your replacement will make you happy.
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Marvin I hope it all works out good for you thats alot of money to get a bad product.
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The velocity wasn't consistent so it may have been the regulator . To be accurate the velocity needs to be consistent. I feel sure they will make it right.
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In a earlier post I said 789 at 170 bar. That was suppose to be 889fps.
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If it had stayed 889 that was fine but when I filled to 200 bar velocity was about 100 FPS slower. From 150 to 200 bar should be about 890 to 900 FPS according to AOA and people on the Internet. Someone that is real familiar with PCP guns probably kows what was wrong.
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I have 3 FX's and one S-510.The Air Arms never gave me troubles.Hope all ends well and you get back a shooter.Keep us updated...
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I talked with AOA Sat. and it appeared that they could do something quickly. I am leaving Friday for the winter. I can go Saturday if I have to if they can have me a gun by Friday. That will give me one day to get it scoped in. I have places to squirrel hunt this winter but don't have a bench to shoot from and I don't want to ask landowners if I can target practice. I am lucky to have a couple of places to hunt. Don't want to wear my welcome out. I need to have gun ready before I leave.
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AOA are taking care of the problem. Should have new gun soon. So far they have been very agreeable and very nice.
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People on the Internet are claiming 890 to 925 FPS for 18 grain pellet. One half inch groups at 50 yds. That I would be happy with.
I just received my replacement FX 400 .22. The first had finish issues with laser splatter on the receiver, a tiny screw that fell out of the gun from the inside and a leak that could not be found with soap bubbles as it was internal. The great news is that Jim and Nancy from Precision Airguns took care of the issue with AOA and I received a brand new rifle in a week. Its not that you have problems its how they are solved.
To your point - my first gun (both regulated) shot 902 with the 18.13 JSB, my replacement gun shoots 880 with the 18.13 JSB. Another gun that we tested at Jim's shop shot 862 with the 18.13 JSB. Jim said that 880's give or take is really where you want to be. This guy has a good review on the 400 and look at his chrono reading, they too are in the 880 range. His shot string shows higher but I question that - the actual readings in the video I believe are representative of what you should expect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAK2my-TvF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAK2my-TvF4)
My replacement rifle is perfect by the way and exactly what I had hoped for. Hope you can get your issue worked out to your satisfaction.
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They were out of 400 so I got a 500 on the way. Should get it wed. How did Pecision Aiguns help?
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They were out of 400 so I got a 500 on the way. Should get it wed. How did Pecision Aiguns help?
I bought the gun from them, they buy wholesale from AOA. So they had to talk with AOA to determine how my case was handled. Interesting the first gun had a serial number in the 43K range. The replacement was in the 47k range so clearly much newer. Even the finish looks different so I am very happy how it turned out. The first gun really had issues but the second is perfect. So all in all I am very satisfied and it shoots way better than it looks, which is really good too. I was able to get the laminated stock and that is utter perfection.
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The 500 I am getting has an upgraded stock but that is all I know. I don't even know what it looks like. I hope it shoots good and the velocity is at least 860 with 25 grain pellet. Does precision airguns do things like adjust regulators and tune PCP airguns.
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I think you'll enjoy the 25cal. I've mine for a year and half or so. It was unregulated but I had AOA regulate it. I just got a 400 a couple of weeks ago and I'm having a couple of issues also. If I can't figure it out it's probably heading back to Arizona as well. Sounds like FX is having a quality control issue with the 400's as of late. It's a shame when you spend that kind of money.
Jking
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I will know in 2 or 3 days if I got a good one. JING what issues do u have?
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That was suppose to be JKing.
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They were out of 400 so I got a 500 on the way. Should get it wed. How did Pecision Aiguns help?
I bought the gun from them, they buy wholesale from AOA. So they had to talk with AOA to determine how my case was handled. Interesting the first gun had a serial number in the 43K range. The replacement was in the 47k range so clearly much newer. Even the finish looks different so I am very happy how it turned out. The first gun really had issues but the second is perfect. So all in all I am very satisfied and it shoots way better than it looks, which is really good too. I was able to get the laminated stock and that is utter perfection.
Is that laminated stock still light, and did it come with the larger carbon fiber bottle?
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They were out of 400 so I got a 500 on the way. Should get it wed. How did Pecision Aiguns help?
I bought the gun from them, they buy wholesale from AOA. So they had to talk with AOA to determine how my case was handled. Interesting the first gun had a serial number in the 43K range. The replacement was in the 47k range so clearly much newer. Even the finish looks different so I am very happy how it turned out. The first gun really had issues but the second is perfect. So all in all I am very satisfied and it shoots way better than it looks, which is really good too. I was able to get the laminated stock and that is utter perfection.
Is that laminated stock still light, and did it come with the larger carbon fiber bottle?
Yes it is. I had the opportunity to shoot the black, walnut and laminated and there wasn't any noticeable difference in weight. It may show on paper but not at all in hand. Mine came with the 480 cc carbon bottle and regulated. Couldn't be happier now that I have my replacement.
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I will know in 2 or 3 days if I got a good one. JING what issues do u have?
I've had trouble with the breech O-rings leaking and the groups not being as good as they should be. It might put two pellets in the same hole and then the next one might be 3/4" left, right or high. Aggravating to say the least.
jk
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I blew the breach seal out on the one i had about the 50th shot. I had the bolt closed I am pretty sure. Put it back in and it blowed out on the first shot. It was broken into. Put another one in but it didn't sound right. Groups not that good. My Mrod 22 shot better. Velocity was 797 or so and at 170 bar velocity was 888. Something was wrong with it but I am sure they will fix it. Got my replacement this evening. Got a FX 500. About 880 to 9
890 FPS. Plenty fast to suit me. Shot 4 groups of 5 shots each at 35 yds with 2 or 3 MPH cross wind. Smallest was .18 inch and the largest was .35 inch but the largest group was all horizontal indicating wind. I think this one is a keeper if it stays like it is.
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Just shot first group at 50 yds. Wind has quit blowing . 4 shots went .25 inch but one shot caused the group to open up to .4 inch. Still pretty good.
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Good news on the new rifle, by the sounds of it, seems to very accurate also.
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Shooting .3 inch groups after dark and no wind seems to the normal for this gun. I am tickled to death with it. Haven't shot it on medium or low power yet. Almost afraid to move the power knob.
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I'm really happy to hear it turned out well for you!
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I have had my FX Royale 400 in .22 for about three years. Consistently 862-867 fps between 210 and 160 BAR with Air Arms Diabolo Heavy 18gr. It makes jagged single holes, but due to space restrictions, my longest shots are between 30-40 yards. I have never shot anything that I can say is as accurate and such a joy to shoot!
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I have had my FX Royale 400 in .22 for about three years. Consistently 862-867 fps between 210 and 160 BAR with Air Arms Diabolo Heavy 18gr. It makes jagged single holes, but due to space restrictions, my longest shots are between 30-40 yards. I have never shot anything that I can say is as accurate and such a joy to shoot!
+1 on enjoyment of shooting, everything is exceptionally smooth. I ordered the single shot tray and it too works very well.
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I've been hemming and hawing over this gun for months now. How would you rate the quietness, high power, with factory moderator? Backyard friendly? I've got a Marauder that does everything I need it to do, except it's kind of an ugly duckling, and clunky. But I love the quietness of it. Any comparison?
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It is very quite. Much quieter than my 22 Marauder. You hear the pellets hitting more than the gun. Seems like it is going to be very accurate. I am new to airguns and the affect the wind has on pellets really shocked me. 2 MPH cross wind at 50 yds really moves the pellet
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After 250 pellets down the barrel the size of the group doubled in size. Cleaned barrel but didn't help. It shot great at first. What is going on with FX guns. Other people are having accuracy problems also. The test group that came with gun was slightly larger than the pellet itself. 50 yard 5 shot groups were all .26 inch to .4 inch the first night that i shot the gun. Now it shoots .6 to 1.25 inch. Thats awfull. What is going on? I would buy another one from AOA but after 2 bad ones maybe i should try one from some place else.
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Hope you let us know how it goes! I love my FX Wildcat in .22. Ridiculously accurate and powerful. Shoots 18.13's at about 875.
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How good is good. 50yd groups what size is normal with no wind. I will keep buying till i get a good one that will shoot less than half inch at 50 yds.
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I want a gun that is close to the size of the FX Royale 500. I would send this one back for them to see if they could figure out what is wrong and just buy another one but i am afraid all the new ones not so good. If they get it shooting good i could sell it. Some 500 owners have posted that .3 to.5 inch groups are normal. The POI seems to change on this gun also.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles hope you can get it all sorted out...
I know I'm personally hoping to go with a RAW for my next rifle they are custom built and tested thoroughly before they are sent out.
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Do u know anyone that has one. How about the 25 cal. Have u seen it shoot. How much are they?
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Off the top of my head only Motorhead comes to mind but there
are a lot of them as they have really grown in the last few years especially in bench rest and FT
cost is up to you as they have a bunch of breech, stock, barrel, LDC's and shroud options
depending on what you get but +-$2,000 is a close guess. I have been doing a ton of reading on these rifles and in my book
they are pretty much tops, I've only found one negative review and the only other gripe I've found is they are a tad heavy but,
they are very solidly built and I think that's partly why they are so reliable and accurate.
they are popular in BR(which is definitely a good sign for accuracy and trigger) and I'm seen quite a few on the FT courses.
As to shooting them I haven't shot one myself yet (though I hope to soon)
But I've seen at least half a dozen on the FT courses as well as shot along with Dottie from RAW(She is a top notch shooter!)
and she was shooting a TM1000.
AEAC on youtube has some excellent reviews on their rifles as well as a factory tour,
as they are made here in the USA.
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Tour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ThVmbsMEB4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ThVmbsMEB4)
On of his reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pRBUIXa4-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pRBUIXa4-Q)
and their website:
https://www.rapidairweapons.com/xcart/home.php (https://www.rapidairweapons.com/xcart/home.php)
Give Martin a call tell him what you are looking for and he can probably build it.
I hope to own one myself someday but right now I can only afford good deals on used guns...
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I'd +1 to the RAW would love to own one someday as well and more of a guaranteed
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Going to check on the RAW. When u have spent as much as i have on Fx and Marauder whats another 2 grand.
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I say get a refund on the FX to make up some money
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Going to do something but not sure what. Going to put a new scope on it and see what happens. If it dont shoot like it did when i first got it i will probably just send it back and let them try to find out what is wrong but i want it to shoot as good as it did when i first got it. I am hoping the scope is bad but the chance of that is slim. The scope is less than 2 months old. It is really strange that it stacked pellets for 250 shots and then groups doubled in size. Makes no sense at all. What could have possibly happened to it. I quess i am just not lucky.
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My $.02, take it with a grain of salt. Come back to 25yds. and see what happens. If you're good, extend out, and see where things start to fall apart. Change pellets. When I'm zeroing a scope, I always have someone else shoot the rifle, and see if there is any consistency. What are you using to rest the rifle on? Maybe change that. There are guys on the Yellow Forum that seem to be experts on this gun, maybe ask them, they rave about this gun. I've been thinking about buying one of these, so I'd be interested in the outcome.
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I read somwhere that Mr Axelson didnīt recomend cleaning the barrel on FX, if there was an accuracy problem, a dirty barrel wasnīt the cause, so try put another thin of pellets trough her and see whatīs happends, and if the gun is brand new, you need to shoot a bunch of pellets to brake her in so to speak
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You very well may be right about cleaning the barrel. I didn't scrub. Just patches and 2 patches with about 2 drops of bore cleaner. Used crown saver pull through with no metal. But the accuracy when away after about 250 pellets and no cleaning. It doesn't sound possible that this could happen but it did. I did have two tins but they were just a like. If it is so picky that i have to buy a bunch of tins and pick out the good ones i would have a fortune in pellet. Don't need a gun liked that. I can see getting a tin that is less accurate but double the size groups seems extreme. They make WAR guns about 100 miles from Nashville and that is where i will be untill the middle of Jan. Going to check them out Monday.
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Using sand bags and a very stable bench that i made. Did go to 25 and the groups were double the size. 50 yard were a little over double. 5 shot groups are still one hole but a bigger hole than they were at first. I will sell it but .25 to.4 is what it shoots now at 25. My Marauder 22 will do better than the fx at 25 yds.
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I know alot of people say not.too but I've been seeing people having problems and then they clean the rifling part at the end very good and then accuracy is back. Always something to try
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I will get more aggressive on cleaning and see what happens and probably a new scope. I like 24 power because u can be precise on your aim n point.
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After 250 pellets down the barrel the size of the group doubled in size. Cleaned barrel but didn't help. It shot great at first. What is going on with FX guns. Other people are having accuracy problems also. The test group that came with gun was slightly larger than the pellet itself. 50 yard 5 shot groups were all .26 inch to .4 inch the first night that i shot the gun. Now it shoots .6 to 1.25 inch. Thats awfull. What is going on? I would buy another one from AOA but after 2 bad ones maybe i should try one from some place else.
With mybRoyale 400 .22 I'm at 500 rounds just finished the tin. I can shoot a playing card in half and split tic tacs in half at 20 yards. If anything, it's getting better. I'm using JSB 18.13 with remarkable success. Hope you get it worked out. Make sure your breech O-ring is still there after cleaning the barrel. My dealer hasn't cleaned his barrel in 4 years and has no immediate plans to do so. I'm going that route and so far so good. I'll start a new thread when I hit 2000 rounds and report back a on accuracy. Again best of luck with your gun.
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I don't know when i will get to work with it because i am out of town and very busy. Don't have a place to shoot yet but there are some shooting ranges around here that i will call about. I will try it as so as i have the time. If it rains one day that may give me a chance to shoot some. The gun was shooting great at first. I will post results as soon as i get to shoot.
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i have fx's and really like them but it is amazeing how many new Fx's need to be fixed. If you can refrain from telling aoa what you think, they will probably do you a better job sooner. My 400 didnt start shooting its best untill after about 1500 shots. i cant tell you how much of that was me. I dont know what has happened but now it only shoots 5.54 head good. i came in 4th at ebr 25 meter last year with 5.52's now it wont shoot um. im gona try a barrel after the match this year. i shoots the 5.54's very well but they are a little hard for me to find.
i know you will enjoy the R400 when they get it right.
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did you try a breech oring before sending it back, a good test for that is to put a napkin over the breech and magazine and shoot. the paper should not blow.
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I PUT A SMOOTH TWIST ON MY MK1 GLADIATOR (CAME WITH A LOTHER WALTHER ) IT WAS ACCURRATE AT FIRST THEN I READ AN ARTICLE ON POLISHING THE BORE AND TRIED IT MADE AN ACCURATE GUN INTO A EVEN MORE ACCURATE GUN AND LESS PELLET FUSSY. IT NOW SHOOTS H&N BARRACUDA MATCH PELLETS MORE ACCURATE THAN JSB'S AT 30 YARDS. ALSO NOW SHOOTS H&N FIELS TARGET TROPHY'S FAIRL WELL. CROSSMAN PREMIER HOLLOW POINTS ARENT THAT BAD EITHER ON LOW AT 30 YARDS. HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO TRY ANY OF THESE AT LONGER RANG. IT STILL SHOOTS JSB GREAT. ANYWAY MIGHT TRY POLISHING THE BORE. I AM DEBATING ON GIVING MINE ALITTLE MORE POLISHING.THE ARTICLE I READ WAS ON AIRGUN NATION.
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Breech oring is still in and sounds ok when fired with no pellet. I need to shoot it after i cleaned the barrel to see if it helped before I make my next move. The barrel may be a little rough because i got some lead out of the barrel. Actually it was real easy to see the lead on the patch. The barrel should not have any lead in it after 250 pellets.
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i have fx's and really like them but it is amazeing how many new Fx's need to be fixed. If you can refrain from telling aoa what you think, they will probably do you a better job sooner. My 400 didnt start shooting its best untill after about 1500 shots. i cant tell you how much of that was me. I dont know what has happened but now it only shoots 5.54 head good. i came in 4th at ebr 25 meter last year with 5.52's now it wont shoot um. im gona try a barrel after the match this year. i shoots the 5.54's very well but they are a little hard for me to find.
i know you will enjoy the R400 when they get it right.
Are you using JSB or another brand and, what are you using for sizing the heads? I've been weighing and using the pellet sorter but it doesn't size just helps me see bad pellets easier.
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Only used JSB 25 grain. Not trying to sort pellets in any way. It shot great not doing any sorting at all at first. I am hoping the lead that i got out of the barrel brings back accuracy and if it does i will address the lead accumulating in the barrel. Maybe polish the barrel? I am sure someone will know the fix. My 22 Marauder leads up after 100 shots or so. Clean it and accuracy is back. Dont really know how much lead in barrel it take to kill accuracy. I know in my Marauder the first patch has a considerable amount of lead on it. Will a small amount of lead in barrel affect accuracy? What really causes lead in barrel?
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Owned two FX rifles .... "owned" & no longer do.
Too fussy, too inconsistent & pellet picky.
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Owned two FX rifles .... "owned" & no longer do.
Too fussy, too inconsistent & pellet picky.
What did you end up with to replace them?
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FX seems to have problems and Marauder 22 have bad barrels. It seems they all have a few problems. What brand d o u buy?
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Owned two FX rifles .... "owned" & no longer do.
Too fussy, too inconsistent & pellet picky.
What did you end up with to replace them?
The FX 400 got replaced with a RAW TM-1000
The FX T12 Whisper with a BSA Scorpion
Much nicer & better handling & shooting guns ... IMO
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I was thinking about the RAW. What cal did you get? What size groups does it shoot at 50 yds? I know they have plenty of energy. They build them about 100 miles from where i am staying for most of the winter.
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I was thinking about the RAW. What cal did you get? What size groups does it shoot at 50 yds? I know they have plenty of energy. They build them about 100 miles from where i am staying for most of the winter.
Ordered the RAW TM-1000 from Martin as a special build using a Bottle & Regulated in .177 caliber.
Have sense fitted both .20 & .22 barrels now having it 3 caliber capable.
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I talked to Martin at RAW and i ask him what i could expect on group size and he said 1/2 to 3/4 inch groups at 50 yds. 1/2 inch is ok but 3/4 inch is not very good. I was ready to get one but i was expecting something like .3 to .5 inch with no wind
Anybody have first hand experience on what the 25 cal RAW will shoot? Seems if they wining benchrest matches they would have to shoot better than what i was told.
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I talked to Martin at RAW and i ask him what i could expect on group size and he said 1/2 to 3/4 inch groups at 50 yds. 1/2 inch is ok but 3/4 inch is not very good. I was ready to get one but i was expecting something like .3 to .5 inch with no wind
Anybody have first hand experience on what the 25 cal RAW will shoot? Seems if they wining benchrest matches they would have to shoot better than what i was told.
Martin has little choice but state conservative accuracy ... to state what there capable of only set him up for distress when customers can't achieve it and think it is there gun :P
Barrel & pellet being in harmony is KEY !! to MOA or greater accuracy and when you as a manufacture have no control over this you can't honestly make claims on accuracy done by the few who spend the time to find the most accurate combo of pellet/barrel, leaving you to quote a more realistic average one could expect shooting most pellets.
JMO ....
BTW, my RAW TM-1000 with either the .177 or .22 barrels fitted BOTH shoot SUB MOA with good pellets and no wind.
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That sounds good. That is more like i was thinking. 2200 was the price he quoted. Going to think about it real hard. Do u have to clean the barrels often?
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is your r400 regulated ? did you chech breech oring?
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it isnt much trouble to put a tissue over the breech where magazine goes and shoot, tissue shouldnt move. barrel cleaner might damage oring?
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That sounds good. That is more like i was thinking. 2200 was the price he quoted. Going to think about it real hard. Do u have to clean the barrels often?
Well ... there's that pellet/barrel thing ;)
The first barrel supplied with gun shot JSB 10.3's in just under 1/4" groups at 30 yards, but Die A Crosman box 10.5's 20/30% tighter so i stuck with that barrel near 2 years until running out of Crosman 10.5's it liked best :P
Wanting to shoot the JSB 10.3's opted to buy a fresh LW blank hoping it would be better than the original barrel ?
* BTW original barrel was no slouch !! ... competitive shooters always want more !!
Second barrel after fitting, lapping etc ... was the ticket with the JSB's delivering nearly Hole In Hole accuracy at the same range.
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I gave 215 dollars for a Marmot Militia hammer forged barrel and it shoots really good. How much is a barrel for a FX Royale. Anyone know?
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Owned two FX rifles .... "owned" & no longer do.
Too fussy, too inconsistent & pellet picky.
What did you end up with to replace them?
The FX 400 got replaced with a RAW TM-1000
The FX T12 Whisper with a BSA Scorpion
Much nicer & better handling & shooting guns ... IMO
Thanks for the info. I have been looking at the tm_1000 as well and wondered what you did. So far my 400 .22 is perfection but I may to another direction for .25?????
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I gave 215 dollars for a Marmot Militia hammer forged barrel and it shoots really good. How much is a barrel for a FX Royale. Anyone know?
A direct fit one from AOA is about $225.00 if I remember right.
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Not cheap but not too bad a price.
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Finally got time to shoot FX 500 after cleaning lead from barrel. Didn't have as steady place to shoot as i do at home but shot 5 five shot groups at 52 yds that went from .26 inch to .64 inch CTC. Maybe barrel lapping needs to be done now that i found out why accuracy went away.
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If you're getting .26 CTC at 50, you should be able to put down a sub 1" group at 100 yards with the right conditions...good luck!
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Hope it Don't lead up the barrel again. I dont have any place to shoot 100 yds tis i get back home.
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Hope you report your results when you get back home on your 100 yard group...
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Sighting errors and wind affect the groups at 100 much more than they do at 50 yds. A .5 inch group doesn't equate to 1.0 inch group at 100 due to other factors but 1MOA at 100 is possible because people do it. I don't know if me or my FX 500 is capable of 1 MOA at 100.
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I'll say it again, if you're getting .26 ctc, you can get a sub 1 inch group at 100. You just need the conditions to be right. I didn't mention wind, altitude or temperature, either as I assumed that would be understood when attempting a sub 1 incher at 100.
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As long as the pellet fly's as true to 100 as it does to 50 a sub 1' group should be doable.
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I will try. Hunting for a 100 yd range in Nashville.
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I think most of you are pretty well having a discussion with a guy complaining about accuracy, who may need glasses or can't shoot consistently accurate on paper.
One of the giveaways was one of his last posts to this thread about how" Oh Didn't have as steady place to shoot as i do at home but shot 5 five shot groups at 52 yds that went from .26 inch to .64 inch"
How in the world are you going to test accuracy of a gun that can clearly outshoot you and then tell everyone that you didn't have a steady place to shoot therefore the gun must be defective.....but you were still testing accuracy " without a steady place to shoot . What sense does that make? There is nothing wrong with that gun.
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As long as the pellet fly's as true to 100 as it does to 50 a sub 1' group should be doable.
Only in dead calm. 0 wind. Do you have any idea how uncommon that is? The slightest puff of wind on an 885 FPS 18 grain jsb 100 yards down range can easily move/deflect poi 1 inch, or more, to the outside of an otherwise nice grouping. Result : Instead of sub MOA you end up with ,,,,,,not even MOA.
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The problem you are having is that you are use to the accuracy of the MMHF barrel in the .22 Mrod and nothing else will do now. I'm wanting to get a Mrod in .25 cal too but if is not as accurate, I will be disappointed like you.
I really don't think you will find any other gun that will shoot any more accurate than your .22 Mrod. You can spend more money and get lighter, shorter or prettier that's all. You could just get a Mrod in .25 cal and put a Jim Gaska MMHF barrel on it and be done.
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Quigly,how many forums have you been banned from for making ugly post like that. Maybe u don't understand the purpose of this forum. Post like yours serves no purpose.
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Just to update i haven't had much time to shoot but i am still having trouble with lead in the barrel. I plan to remove barrel and polish it with bore paste but that is a few weeks away. Thanks to all.
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As long as the pellet fly's as true to 100 as it does to 50 a sub 1' group should be doable.
Only in dead calm. 0 wind. Do you have any idea how uncommon that is? The slightest puff of wind on an 885 FPS 18 grain jsb 100 yards down range can easily move/deflect poi 1 inch, or more, to the outside of an otherwise nice grouping. Result : Instead of sub MOA you end up with ,,,,,,not even MOA.
How do I know this, I did it with my Scorpion SE. 3/16" ctc at fifty yards and 3/4" at 100 yards. 5 shot groups
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Don't dignify it, bro. Just report to moderator.
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Don't dignify it, bro. Just report to moderator.
Been done and handled !!! should not happen again
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Quigly,how many forums have you been banned from for making ugly post like that. Maybe u don't understand the purpose of this forum. Post like yours serves no purpose.
Are you serious? Threatening ban?
Look, you plainly said you didn't have a steady rest, yet were testing accuracy of an airgun.
I'm thinking more along the lines that there is no way you can test absolute accuracy without a solid rest.
In light of this, It certainly cannot be determined that you have a defective gun. Yet you seem to be sure that your FX is defective , and/or has a bad barrel.
It's an observation, based on your own words. That's all it is.
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He has a valid point but the presentation may be lacking. Let's keep it peaceful and friendly here!!!
And remember to respect opinions and thoughts of others. RESPECTFULLY!!!!
Enough said....
Now back to airgunning.
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Quigly,how many forums have you been banned from for making ugly post like that. Maybe u don't understand the purpose of this forum. Post like yours serves no purpose.
Are you serious? Threatening ban?
Look, you plainly said you didn't have a steady rest, yet were testing accuracy of an airgun.
I'm thinking more along the lines that there is no way you can test absolute accuracy without a solid rest.
In light of this, It certainly cannot be determined that you have a defective gun. Yet you seem to be sure that your FX is defective , and/or has a bad barrel.
It's an observation, based on your own words. That's all it is.
First calm down. Nobody threatened to ban you. As I have said many times before to others this gate and others that I am responsible for will remain cordial or I will lock the thread and that is not my first choice . So please keep it cordial or I will lock the thread .
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I may have been lacking in the presentation , as ezman has said.
I supposed the " spectacles" comment could have been left out.
I'm all good over here. This is a nice airgun forum, and the members seem pretty cool.
Next time around I'll focus on, kinder, more gentle presentation.
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Thanks TunedAccuracy. All is well with me. Will post results after polishing barrel.
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;) Thank you gentleman
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Thanks TunedAccuracy. All is well with me. Will post results after polishing barrel.
I think a good pair of sand bags would be beneficial. I have never had to polish an FX smooth twist or Lothar walter barrel.
My 15 year old Tarantula .22 will make .25 groups or less, under premium conditions, like you were talking about.
My FX .30 Boss with the smooth twist barrel ..........well..........here are a couple of targets/Styrofoam cups with little dots as targets.
These are 10 shot groups on each cup. The conditions were absolutely perfect and as you can see here, I was tuning my scope to utter perfection.
One .30 caliber hole. It will do this every time under premium conditions. This is one of the reasons I don't think anything is wrong with your barrel.
(http://i.imgur.com/jiwgHrU.jpg)
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Quigly, that last, very helpful...this is a golden rule forum. We don't judge, we try to help. I am refreshed by your understanding. Sand bags are a great idea and more in line with how we treat fellow airgunners.
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Owned two FX rifles .... "owned" & no longer do.
Too fussy, too inconsistent & pellet picky.
Interesting! Did they both have the "smooth-twist" barrels?
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The FX 400 got replaced with a RAW TM-1000
The FX T12 Whisper with a BSA Scorpion
Much nicer & better handling & shooting guns ... IMO
What do you think about the Scorpion from an ease of repair/modding standpoint?
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TunedAccuracy. I will figure out how to post pictures of groups when I start shooting in a couple of weeks. When the Fx500 was new it was very accurate. I mean at 25 yds one hole barely bigger than one bullet. Then after 250 shots .3 or bigger groups at 25. The barrel was full of lead. Something wrong or it would not do this. It wasn't little flakes of lead it was big pieces. Thats not right. This is a problem even if you ignore the group size. I also lost 30 fps. I chronographed it last week. Was about 905fps brand new and then went to about 875. Turned hammer spring in and got that velocity back. Chronographed 2 shots and both were 918fps. 25.39 g pellets. Not worried about that. My HM1000X also lost velocity after several hundred shots. Just cranked in hammer spring. Does this explain my concern better?
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TunedAccuracy. I will figure out how to post pictures of groups when I start shooting in a couple of weeks. When the Fx500 was new it was very accurate. I mean at 25 yds one hole barely bigger than one bullet. Then after 250 shots .3 or bigger groups at 25. The barrel was full of lead. Something wrong or it would not do this. It wasn't little flakes of lead it was big pieces. Thats not right. This is a problem even if you ignore the group size. I also lost 30 fps. I chronographed it last week. Was about 905fps brand new and then went to about 875. Turned hammer spring in and got that velocity back. Chronographed 2 shots and both were 918fps. 25.39 g pellets. Not worried about that. My HM1000X also lost velocity after several hundred shots. Just cranked in hammer spring. Does this explain my concern better?
I'm sorry you are having these difficulties, but I really appreciate your posting your experience. Hope you get it all sorted out to your satisfaction. I think I have moved into the BSA camp for long guns and the Taipan Mutant camp for bullpups, at least as of today.
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I'm sorry you are having these difficulties, but I really appreciate your posting your experience. Hope you get it all sorted out to your satisfaction. I think I have moved into the BSA camp for long guns and the Taipan Mutant camp for bullpups, at least as of today.
I don't think you can go wrong there, I've been blown away with the accuracy of my BSA.
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I think the general consensus is the barrel is the dominant factor for accuracy. I can go that route if needed. But for now just have to wait. I will have plenty of time after Feb. A new barrel is not that expensive.