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Airguns by Make and Model => Evanix Airguns => Topic started by: Rattus58 on September 04, 2016, 04:12:25 PM
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I'm still looking for inexpensive bullets for my RECLUSE. I'm perfectly happy with my cast- Lee 125 358-125-RF which casts pure lead to exactly .358 on 90% of my bullets when cast "cold", so to speak... or maybe 50 to 100 degrees above melting. Hot, they always seem to have more shrinkage. My accuracy with this is FOR ME quite acceptable, as I'm shooting with open sights. Others, such Cedric have indicated that they are good for hunting, but not necessarily PRECISION. One other gentlemen I sent them to had very acceptable 50 yard groups and over 4" at 100. Not sure what to make of that. I personally have yet to make a more than 2" group at my 35 yards or so I have been shooting at in my yard and I want this for hunting, so I'm confident with that bullet, but I'm still looking for cheap castable bullets for the .357 / 9MM..
I became aware of the 356-95 this morning on a cast bullet video for a 38 special cast and was intrigued by it for the Recluse. I believe that if you don't shoot a "choked or tapered" barrel, you need to start off by "choking" it yourself, meaning force a slightly overbore bullet into the barrel for accuracy and velocity. Soft lead IN MY OPINION is better than some of the alloys I understand some airgun bullet makers use if for no other reason than you don't get as great obturation in the bore and my cast .360 round balls are an example of that compared to the Air Venturi samples I have.. and before anyone thinking I'm ragging on Air Venturi, I'm not... bullets are bullets and bores are bores and softer LARGER bullets are in MY ESTIMATION better for accuracy.
So, since the calipered size of the above referenced 95 grain 356-95 actually cast a .358 as my .358's did as advertised I was curious if anyone has tried these in a 9mm/.357 Airgun.
One more question... has anyone tried using paper patched or plumbers tape around a pellet or bullet to bring them up to diameter?
I was watching Tofazfou Condor-7mm video the other night of one of Bobs bullets for the 7mm... and I'm impressed with the accuracy of not only Cedrics shooting, but the fact that the bullet didn't let him down... quite the accomplishment.
Aloha... Tom
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I shot the 105 swc out of my ace 357 1-22 twist with pretty good groups. 1-1 1/2 groups at 50 yards depending on what kind of day I was having. I did have them sized to 357 and were 40-1 if I remember correctly. Its been a while since I shot any of them. I do find that as the bhn goes up my accuracy suffers. Anything over 10 and its not a pretty picture. Mine definitely shoots much better at 357 than 356, no question. Swc makes a nice sized hole. I switched over to the eppug and the bbt in fn and hollow point and have pretty much stayed there.
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I shot the 105 swc out of my ace 357 1-22 twist with pretty good groups. 1-1 1/2 groups at 50 yards depending on what kind of day I was having. I did have them sized to 357 and were 40-1 if I remember correctly. Its been a while since I shot any of them. I do find that as the bhn goes up my accuracy suffers. Anything over 10 and its not a pretty picture. Mine definitely shoots much better at 357 than 356, no question. Swc makes a nice sized hole. I switched over to the eppug and the bbt in fn and hollow point and have pretty much stayed there.
Thank you!! I think my bore is a 1-20. I actually ordered the mold for this today. The bullets I'm shooting now are .358 and roundball at .360 and work great for me.
Much Aloha,
Tom
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I'm still looking for inexpensive bullets for my RECLUSE. I'm perfectly happy with my cast- Lee 125 358-125-RF which casts pure lead to exactly .358 on 90% of my bullets when cast "cold", so to speak... or maybe 50 to 100 degrees above melting. Hot, they always seem to have more shrinkage. My accuracy with this is FOR ME quite acceptable, as I'm shooting with open sights. Others, such Cedric have indicated that they are good for hunting, but not necessarily PRECISION. One other gentlemen I sent them to had very acceptable 50 yard groups and over 4" at 100. Not sure what to make of that. I personally have yet to make a more than 2" group at my 35 yards or so I have been shooting at in my yard and I want this for hunting, so I'm confident with that bullet, but I'm still looking for cheap castable bullets for the .357 / 9MM..
I became aware of the 356-95 this morning on a cast bullet video for a 38 special cast and was intrigued by it for the Recluse. I believe that if you don't shoot a "choked or tapered" barrel, you need to start off by "choking" it yourself, meaning force a slightly overbore bullet into the barrel for accuracy and velocity. Soft lead IN MY OPINION is better than some of the alloys I understand some airgun bullet makers use if for no other reason than you don't get as great obturation in the bore and my cast .360 round balls are an example of that compared to the Air Venturi samples I have.. and before anyone thinking I'm ragging on Air Venturi, I'm not... bullets are bullets and bores are bores and softer LARGER bullets are in MY ESTIMATION better for accuracy.
So, since the calipered size of the above referenced 95 grain 356-95 actually cast a .358 as my .358's did as advertised I was curious if anyone has tried these in a 9mm/.357 Airgun.
One more question... has anyone tried using paper patched or plumbers tape around a pellet or bullet to bring them up to diameter?
I was watching Tofazfou Condor-7mm video the other night of one of Bobs bullets for the 7mm... and I'm impressed with the accuracy of not only Cedrics shooting, but the fact that the bullet didn't let him down... quite the accomplishment.
Aloha... Tom
I have shot them in my Bulldog sized to .3575 and at 50 yards they shoot sub 1" I was very surprised at the performance I got. These were shooting in the 785 ish fps range as I remember.
wll2506
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I'm still looking for inexpensive bullets for my RECLUSE. I'm perfectly happy with my cast- Lee 125 358-125-RF which casts pure lead to exactly .358 on 90% of my bullets when cast "cold", so to speak... or maybe 50 to 100 degrees above melting. Hot, they always seem to have more shrinkage. My accuracy with this is FOR ME quite acceptable, as I'm shooting with open sights. Others, such Cedric have indicated that they are good for hunting, but not necessarily PRECISION. One other gentlemen I sent them to had very acceptable 50 yard groups and over 4" at 100. Not sure what to make of that. I personally have yet to make a more than 2" group at my 35 yards or so I have been shooting at in my yard and I want this for hunting, so I'm confident with that bullet, but I'm still looking for cheap castable bullets for the .357 / 9MM..
I became aware of the 356-95 this morning on a cast bullet video for a 38 special cast and was intrigued by it for the Recluse. I believe that if you don't shoot a "choked or tapered" barrel, you need to start off by "choking" it yourself, meaning force a slightly overbore bullet into the barrel for accuracy and velocity. Soft lead IN MY OPINION is better than some of the alloys I understand some airgun bullet makers use if for no other reason than you don't get as great obturation in the bore and my cast .360 round balls are an example of that compared to the Air Venturi samples I have.. and before anyone thinking I'm ragging on Air Venturi, I'm not... bullets are bullets and bores are bores and softer LARGER bullets are in MY ESTIMATION better for accuracy.
So, since the calipered size of the above referenced 95 grain 356-95 actually cast a .358 as my .358's did as advertised I was curious if anyone has tried these in a 9mm/.357 Airgun.
One more question... has anyone tried using paper patched or plumbers tape around a pellet or bullet to bring them up to diameter?
I was watching Tofazfou Condor-7mm video the other night of one of Bobs bullets for the 7mm... and I'm impressed with the accuracy of not only Cedrics shooting, but the fact that the bullet didn't let him down... quite the accomplishment.
Aloha... Tom
I have shot them in my Bulldog sized to .3575 and at 50 yards they shoot sub 1" I was very surprised at the performance I got. These were shooting in the 785 ish fps range as I remember.
wll2506
Thank you...I just cast some of these and have yet to weigh and measure them... but, speaking of Cedric, his go to projectile!
Much Aloha,
Tom
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Howzit Tom,
I have shot them in my Ace .357 as well and they seem to shoot really accurate close range...20 - 30 yrads. ~1" groups.
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Howzit Tom,
I have shot them in my Ace .357 as well and they seem to shoot really accurate close range...20 - 30 yrads. ~1" groups.
Hi Mike,
I started casting a few in order to powder coat them and try them out tonight but got to making more bullets as well to try.... I'll post hopefully this weekend... 8)
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Will be interesting to see your results!
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Will be interesting to see your results!
Well the first try with some powdercoat red from a friend was a complete failure. Using Eastwood yellow on my handgun bullets came out better except for the sticking to the wire in my mesh tray... have to work on that part, but they sized nicely and the bullets don't look to bad nor are they lumpy with a decent cover for most of it... I use powder coated bullets in my muzzleloaders just for grins and they do very nicely.. so I expect these do as well... but we'll see... ;D
I'll have to recast the 105's once I get the hard cast lead out of my pot.
Aloha,
Tom
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Will be interesting to see your results!
Ok... cast another batch of these today and powder coated roughly 25% of them in Red and a combo red/yellow.
Of 148 cast, 85, or 57% came out at 105 grains (between 104.6 and 105.5 grains). 43, or 29% came out at 106 grains (between 105.6 and 106.5 gr). 16 cast with or without powder coat 104 and 4 cast at 103. These bullets also cast right on the cusp of .357.. some being .3565 to just over .357 even with the powder coat, so it seems that the powder coat is seeping into the lead somehow.. to me anyways... :D
I'll try to get them shot and pictured tomorrow.
Aloha... Tom
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Finally got pictures of these.... Quite happy with the system... yup... 8)
Much Aloha,
Tom
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A cocking Aid for the gargantuan force required to cock the Air Ordinance Hop up kit.... :-[
And it works great!!!!
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Ok.. got to the shooting bench this afternoon for about an hour. Didn't get all I wanted but got some needed shooting out of the way.
I shot the 106 grain powder coated bullets first. I have some pictures of some recovered bullets that I'll post a little later. It was cloudy today and I was worried that the Chrony wouldn't pick up and lo and behold the first shot out of the Gun was an Err.
Here is how the first string went.
1 err
2 885
3 854
4 841.6
5 827.5
6 902.6 (topped off to make up for the lost first shot)
7
8 862.14 5 shot average FPS
9 5 Recorded SHOT AVG = 174.85 FPE
The Second String was with my 129 Slugs.
I didn't Experiment with this too much possibly tomorrow... but several times before I've topped off, took a high power shot and then took a low power shot and got higher numbers. I'm not sure it that is telling me that my efficiency is going up at reduced power or what.. but I'm going to try to go through a low power string tomorrow to see what that is all about. In the mean time,
129 GRAIN BULLET
1. 843.3 HI =203.6 FPE
2. 867.4 LO = 215 FPE
3. 793
4. 788
5. 755 LO
The Five shot String gave me 809.34 FPS AVG for 187 AVG FPE
On to the round balls that size at .360. These are just sweet... These started off at reduced power from max, so the potential is a little bit more, which I'll attempt tomorrow to catalog. I'm also running out of air... :(
70 GRAIN
1 1004 156.64 FPE
2 954 LO
3 954.5 HI
4 946 HI
5 927 HI
6
7 957.1 FPS AVG = 142 FPE
Lastly, I just ran it out to 100 Bar... and this is the string
106
1 901
2 843.5 LO
3 883.6
4 865.9 LO
5 860.3
6 832.7
7 802
8 793
9 762.6
10 736.6
11 711.5
881.3333333 180 FPE AVG HI
817.5181818 155 FPE avg all shots
785.5285714 143 FPE AVG for shots 5 thru 11
So there is my afternoon experience with these just shooting without any particular order to it. I'm becoming quite fond of this gun, but need to get to my Marauder Next. Can't wait to get this out hunting...
Much Aloha,
Tom
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I haven't recovered ALL of the bullets yet, but of those that I have it is interesting to note that the powder coated bullets seem to have held together much better than pure lead to some degree... which here seems to indicate that there might be a sort of "hardening" of the bullet. There were very very light scrapings on a couple of the bullets from the edges of the of the lands, which by itself compared to the rifling marks on pure lead is impressive.