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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Rob112o on August 20, 2016, 09:22:40 PM
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Finally, got a Crosman pumper back in my collection. Since, trading the ugly 140 away about a year ago. I started missing having one of these old school Crosman rifles. The 140 I had wasn't beautiful, had several hardware store screws, a bent barrel, and didn't like pellets. Actually, there was only 1 she liked the Crosman Destroyers. So I don't really know what was drawling me to having another 140/1400 rifle. Maybe I have an addiction? I do remember compared to the Dans and Benjis she was super quiet. So let's hope this Sears 1400 brings back the good times.
I got her for the price of shipping USPS first class. It arrived magically in 2 days from Alabama! The man packaged this rifle like it was a 3-4 hundred dollar functioning rifle. Had the original mount and weaver scope as you can see. Looks like she spent some time laying on the ground of a room that flooded a little. Well, gave her a couple pumps and air came right out the barrel/TP. So it leads me to the valve exhaust side. Gave her some SS but didn't help. Well, let's get her open!!
This is the side I think was laying down in some water:
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Not that that this side is much better:
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I ordered several quad seals from eBay. I know most the orings in this girl can be had from the hardware store like the 140. I have a spare Dan check valve that I'll cut and shape to fit if need be.
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I've seen your work... it won't be long now. At one time I had 4 140s and 2 1400s. I'm down to 1 1400 now.
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Wow that gun has seen some abuse. That will take some work and I hope you can save the scope.
Bryan
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Whew! That's a project! I wonder if you're gonna be able to have that scope restored? Or are you just going to find a replacement?
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Thanks Bill, I try to do my part in bringing these oldies back to their former glory. It would have been nice to have been able to get a few shots off to see what she's got. The crown and rifling look awesome so I'm gonna hope she shoots as well as those things look.
When you get a gun like this you gotta try to find the little things that are good. The previous owner said, "he couldn't bring himself to trash it, but didn't want to put the time in it." So, here I am doing the dirty.
Someone has been inside of her to some extent. As you can see by the position of the port in the bolt. When the breech cover was rotated to the closed position the port was facing upward:
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Yes, I'm going to try and save the scope. Looking thru it is quite fuzzy, but I've restored/cleaned up a couple back to serviceable order. I had to take picture upside down. The bottom is the scope and top is barrel you can see the mount is alightly bent/off center. Must have taken a fall. Hope it still works:
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Oh look there, the breech/barrel has scope grooves.... that's awesome.
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As someone mention, that wood has sone nice grain and looks like it matches up to the forearm really well. I bet just a finish of straight Tru-oil or Tung-oil would pop with a flat black on the metal.
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As someone mention, that wood has sone nice grain and looks like it matches up to the forearm really well. I bet just a finish of straight Tru-oil or Tung-oil would pop with a flat black on the metal.
great minds think alike 8). I was going to post the same thing, 'til I scrolled down to your post ;D. all that stock needs is to remove the old finish, and a bunch of tru oil.
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Time & patience is what it will take to make another nice rifle out of it ! I know you can do it !!
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As someone mention, that wood has sone nice grain and looks like it matches up to the forearm really well. I bet just a finish of straight Tru-oil or Tung-oil would pop with a flat black on the metal.
great minds think alike 8). I was going to post the same thing, 'til I scrolled down to your post ;D. all that stock needs is to remove the old finish, and a bunch of tru oil.
By golly, looks like elm to me! Nice find!
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SUBSCRIBED!!!
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That's funny, I picked up a rust bucket project sears model 1400 yesterday as well... pictures later today or tomorrow but I'll make my own post...
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I sure hate to see good hardware abused like that! I'd love to get my hands on one of those Sears 1400s with scope grooves. That scope looks like a Weaver B4? I have a B4 on one of my 114s, it's a tack-driver. Looking forward to seeing your progress with this gun.
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This is gonna be good!!!
Best of Luck Brother Man
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That's funny, I picked up a rust bucket project sears model 1400 yesterday as well... pictures later today or tomorrow but I'll make my own post...
Looking forward to seeing yours as well. These rifles have the potential to be great. I'm most glad about it having the groves for a scope. The Crosman mounts for these aren't bad, but will take you up a hair to get that perfect check weld right.
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As someone mention, that wood has sone nice grain and looks like it matches up to the forearm really well. I bet just a finish of straight Tru-oil or Tung-oil would pop with a flat black on the metal.
great minds think alike 8). I was going to post the same thing, 'til I scrolled down to your post ;D. all that stock needs is to remove the old finish, and a bunch of tru oil.
By golly, looks like elm to me! Nice find!
Yea, the figure in the stock is what pulled me in. My old 140 was as plain as can be. I'm wanting to get her running before I put the time into the stock. Though, I know I should just do it now while I'm waiting for those quad seals to come in.
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I sure hate to see good hardware abused like that! I'd love to get my hands on one of those Sears 1400s with scope grooves. That scope looks like a Weaver B4? I have a B4 on one of my 114s, it's a tack-driver. Looking forward to seeing your progress with this gun.
Yup, it's a B4! Looking thru it wasn't pretty. Christ, looking at it isn't pretty, haha. I was able to clean it up a bit. I was fortunate enough to be able to get apart without getting out channel locks. Which was quite a surprise. Still a little rough on the outside, but want to make sure she still functions before putting anymore time into rust removal.
Eww
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Just good old steel wool and a brass wire brush:
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That scope really cleaned up nice Rob! I figure you will have that gun looking brand new here soon!
Bryan
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I have a bunch of 1400 parts I found in an old closet when I moved here. . but it isn't enough to put together into any thing. I had an old 140 as a kid and they were great little pumpers.
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Always was a sucker for seemingly hopeless causes. I can't wait to see how this basket case turns out. My old wood 760 needs a pump seal at the least. But this looks more like the proverbial phoenix rising from...ashes my foot, that's a pile of rust powder, & sanding dust, &...
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Subscribed as well - quite a project.
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I have a bunch of 1400 parts I found in an old closet when I moved here. . but it isn't enough to put together into any thing. I had an old 140 as a kid and they were great little pumpers.
I'll be sure to hit you up if I need something! Is the stock there?
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Yup a slight bend in the rear breech screw. I was surprised it came out quite effortlessly!
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This was quite a pain!! I remember the 140 had a different type of bushing down there, but it was equally as tough to get out.
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106?
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I don't know why the white spacer is only this long. Is that normal? Doesn't look to have been broken. Just dirty, like a street walker.
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My 140 had a crushed poly tuned. This has a sleeve. It's hard to tell in the pic but it was cut up a bit.
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What??? How are the inside as clean as a brand new car? That area that is sanded was from me. That part was chewed up and wasn't slide out. It was dragging on the tube. So I had to dremel it down.
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Now, the cartridge would have came out spotless as well if I hadn't oiled it up. Hoping it would pump and shoot.
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Just wiped off the oil with a paper towel. I went inside and cleaned out the mess I made.
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Looking good inside!
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Rob the stock is gone for the most part. some one butchered it up and painted it black :( ... the barrel looks like someone tried to cut groves for a scope or something on it. there are some parts you might be able to use. there is a trigger group with out the safty, compression tube is good I think, the pump arm and all that is there . If I can I will take a pic and send it to you in a PM. I wouldn't charge you anything for them if you want them, just pay shipping is all.
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Rob the stock is gone for the most part. some one butchered it up and painted it black :( ... the barrel looks like someone tried to cut groves for a scope or something on it. there are some parts you might be able to use. there is a trigger group with out the safty, compression tube is good I think, the pump arm and all that is there . If I can I will take a pic and send it to you in a PM. I wouldn't charge you anything for them if you want them, just pay shipping is all.
Sweet, take your time Cole. I'm in no rush too many projects. I've yet to get it back together, but I'm sure something else will be needed. Thank you and let me know a cost.
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Well got several coats on this bad boy. Not looking too bad. I still need to take care of the front plug and breech cover. I do want to make sure it's holding and functioning 100% before I put those 2 things back on. Still needs to be refinished though.
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Trying to get that poly tube the rift height with the right curvature.
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You spray painted the barrel? Or is it just me? We have a Gander Mountain within 1/2M of the house, & I found liquid & paste bluing kits. Stock finishing kits as well. Put the Birchwood/Casey liquid bluing kit on my wish list for payday, along with the same brand, " True Oil" gun stock finish in 3oz bottle. I like their liquid bluing. Rub on for really nice finish. They have a liquid rust/old bluing remover too that comes in the bluing kit. It'll make easy work of cleaning out the stamped lettering/numbers without wearing them out/down.
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Yea... several coats of what?
Krylon, Rustoleum?
I have done motorcycle parts with VHT black epoxy chassis paint and found it pretty darn durable and has a satin sheen. You can find it at any Auto-Parts store. Thought about using it on old Airguns.
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The 'off' white spacer between the barrel and pump tube comes in two pieces. I believe you may be missing the rear piece.
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I get the stuff at a Kelly Moore that sells industrial paint. I apply it in 2 stages first stage is a 1:1 mix with the epoxy and epoxy activator. 2nd stage is a 1:4 mix with the base tint urethane with urethane activator. It's a real messy process and is very thick. When it's all said and done it has a very nice finish. It looks to be very slick and slippery, but it's actually quite the opposite. I used this on the railings here at the property. These tenants surprising haven't damaged it. During move ins and outs when large furniture is constantly being placed, dragged, banged, and rubbed. They've held up extremely well. Not to mention my property is right across the street from the SF/OAK bay. I figured if all these conditions can't bother the finish on the rails. They should do quite well on a air rifle barrel and tube? I'll let you know if things go south.
But yes I put it in my sprayer. I had to do the work quick. When I did the rails I applied with a brush. I had to keep replacing the brush. It would start falling apart after a while.
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Sounds like that coating ought to hold up. Thanks for sharing
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The 2-part paints are far more durable. The 2-part urethane they painted my old cobraII with was easy to wash & held it's gloss way better than the stock enamel. It was the two part Urethane (polar white) we used on the Duramax diesel semis we built back in the day at Ford before I retired. Slick, hard surface to that paint. I like the Birchwood/Casey bluing/stock oil stuff I'm picking up Thursday for this sort of work. Came out pretty good on an old CVA Kentucky percussion rifle kit I built years ago.
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Yea in the sprayer it was much easier to get it smooth and even. Though it should self level, but you never really want to rely on that. I just had to make sure I cleaned the sprayer out real good.
Well I put her together to see what else I have to do beside the obvious. Only took me 2 tries to get the height and curve right on the poly tube TP. No air leak whatsoever!! Now, I had to make sure she was worth the time for a refinish. I did a quick sight in on blank paper with tape to get it close. Took it to targets shortly after. Here are 2, 5 shot groups I did last night with 3 pumps. After first target I adjusted sight slightly.
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I have to admit, that is lookin' pretty good when reassembled.
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That project is really coming along great! Impressive groups! She appears to have a good bbl. your hard work is really paying off.
Best of Luck Brother Man!!
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It looks real nice and that paint sounds interesting. The next time I need to paint a gun I'll have to look into it.
Bryan