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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => China/Asian AirGun Gate => Topic started by: ArkSlim on July 06, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
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Just saw 2 different Beemans with interchangable barrels .177 & .22. Would like input on this good bad or ??? Thanks
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For me the more moving parts the worst could happen. Have shot the gun? Yes, never owned one though. We kept the installed barrel from the factory on and never removed it. Shot great like that. Barrel pivot with the washers is one concern with accuracy now your removing barrels back and forth I think causes another. Is it a bad gun? Eh, not the worst ive shot and certainty not the best springer either. If one could keep make sure that they put the barrel on the exact same every time...also that the threads were true and everything....would come out to be a great rifle.
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Personally I don't like the idea of interchangeable barrels. Jay hit on some of the reasons. I'll give you another. If you use a scope, you'll have to rezero the scope every time you change barrels. Open sights should not have this problem.
Pivot alignment and spacing on a break barrel is critical.
Sometimes when you get a compromise you end up with the worst of both worlds.
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What'e your expectations for the gun? Do you need both calibers? How serious are you about getting into airguns?
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Thanks to all who replied. Sort of thought switching barrels would be a pain in some part of the body. But it's always good to get expirenced info. Looking into getting in at a beginning level and seeing where it will go from there.
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Al, I have owned the Beeman RS2 with the interchangeable barrels. Shot Horrible with either one, the shot cycle was absurdly violent and twangy, and the trigger was even worse than is allowed to put into words here. :o I could have thrown that gun at the target with a better chance of hitting it.
Fortunately I live not far from the Beeman Service Center and took it up to them to see what could be done about it.
The Service Tech there, (I can't remember his name right now) was an experienced and knowledgeable airgunner. He asked what my experience was in airgunning, and after a short list of the rifles I owned and what I like to shoot with them, he smiled and said quite figuratively that there was absolutely nothing cost effectively that he would be able to do to that gun, that I would be satisfied with.
he did also talk about the triggers on them and said that there were actually 3 or 4 variations that not everyone was aware of. He described them a going from total trash direct sear, to only marginally acceptable.The one I had was one step up from the worst.
So as bummed as I was with all of this "wonderful news" he said what he could do was offer to take my gun and $35 more bucks, and he would give me one of the .22 cal (only) RAM model RS2, and that would be a significantly better trigger as well as not have any of the multi-barrel gun issues. I took the offer, and yes it was a better gun, BUT it is still a fairly harsh shot cycle, and I'm sure it would benefit greatly from a proper tune and lube.
Maybe someday I'll give it a whirl to see what can be done with it.
I do know that there are some guys here who have gone to the effort of tearing these guns down, doing a proper deburr, polish, lube tune, with improved performance results.
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I realize this is a couple months old but being an owner of a Beeman RS2 I felt I need to clear the air a bit.
For me the more moving parts the worst could happen. Have shot the gun? Yes, never owned one though. We kept the installed barrel from the factory on and never removed it. Shot great like that. Barrel pivot with the washers is one concern with accuracy now your removing barrels back and forth I think causes another. Is it a bad gun? Eh, not the worst ive shot and certainty not the best springer either. If one could keep make sure that they put the barrel on the exact same every time...also that the threads were true and everything....would come out to be a great rifle.
The break barrel action of this gun where the pivots are does not change. It is machined square block that the individual round barrels fit into that stays with the gun at all times. No need to remove the pivot bolts to change barrels.
(http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/1/182403i2_ts.jpg)
The two barrels are turned down at the root and fit snug into the action. The bottom of the pivot block is drilled and tapped for a large set screw and the barrels have a counter sunk hole that you align to the setscrew. I found this video to show the procedure but his terminology isn't the best ( let alone the lawn mower in the background)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLb7gDZHF_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLb7gDZHF_w)
Beeman (SAG) even etch alignment arrows on both the receiver and the barrels to align the two before tightening the screw.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2015/04/14/4243135_03_eeman_silver_kodiak_x2_air_rif_640.jpg)
That said, Yes you need to rezero the scope after changing calibers. I was disappointed with the accuracy of mine with the .22 barrel I first installed. But when I swapped it over to the .177 I am quite happy with it out to 25 yards.
I will never turn down an opportunity to post a pic of mine because Shadow's custom paint job on my stock makes her easy on the eyes.
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u670/Hoosierb17/Hobbies/KIMG0739_zpsc5y9y2xk.jpg)
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Is it a Spanish-built model?
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My sportsman RS2 when they first came out. 22 barrel shots smooth and accurate than the .177. It shoots crosmans 14.3 @ high 6's and 7.9 @ mid 9's.
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Is it a Spanish-built model?
Mines not .... it's Chinese
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Hoosier Daddy
Agreed! Only had mine for a couple of weeks but am very happy with it! Mine eats the Premier Crossman HPs like candy! With a 25 yard zero even with the cheap 4x scope it came with it puts 5 pellets in .22 under .75"! More then minute of Euro dove! The .177 will do better at just shy of .5" at 25 yards! Mine will wear the .22 barrel an be my walk around rabbit gun mostly but the .177 will be used in the spring for Wissel pigs(ground squirrels )! ;D
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Enjoy yours!
The old adage is ...
.22 for fur, .177 for feathers.
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Hoosier Daddy
Been getting complete pass troughs on every Euro I've shot with my Titan in .177! Longest shot Id say take so far has been 30 ish yards! The few I've taken with the Kodiak in .177 have been 20 ish yards and the feathers were flying big time an it had a very load wack when they were struck! Haven't chronied either yet. But I do believe the Kodiak is running a bit faster then the Titan!
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The rs2 has a larger compression chamber and a larger spring. So it should be more powerful. I like the rs2. If you think you can just change barrels without adjusting the sights you will be disappointed. You can bend both barrels close to optical center and not be too far off when you change barrels. Pick which barrel you like and lock title it in if you worry about movement. I had an extra lother walther barrel and it was easy to get it turned down to fit. I have another one I want to put on a quest I have but because it takes a lot more skill to make it fit the quest and my brother is the one doing the work for me I have been waiting 6 months. I was hoping to get it for Christmas but no such luck. Anyway, as far as the trigger goes, they do have bad ones but I know at least one of them was very good. I can't imagine why the beeman service tech said that they were all bad. I shot one with a nice 2 stage trigger. It was worked on but I expect that with a 100$ or less gun. They rs2 I have now has a crappy trigger. I don't know where to get a good one so I worked on it and now its OK. A fellow member sent it to me and I'm grateful.
The stock is pretty nice. I thinned down
The grip to fit my hand. The rs2 I have I fixed up for a friend. He doesn't shoot anymore and didn't want it.
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I have a couple springer RS2s and like them. I have experienced quite a fast and solid shot cycle with my guns, though others have stated otherwise with theirs. The triggers on my guns are decent, though well south of a Rekord, T06, or Quattro, but still not as bad as a stock Crosman. Both the .22 and .177 caliber barrels seem to shoot decently.
-Whirly
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I realize this is a couple months old but being an owner of a Beeman RS2 I felt I need to clear the air a bit.
For me the more moving parts the worst could happen. Have shot the gun? Yes, never owned one though. We kept the installed barrel from the factory on and never removed it. Shot great like that. Barrel pivot with the washers is one concern with accuracy now your removing barrels back and forth I think causes another. Is it a bad gun? Eh, not the worst ive shot and certainty not the best springer either. If one could keep make sure that they put the barrel on the exact same every time...also that the threads were true and everything....would come out to be a great rifle.
The break barrel action of this gun where the pivots are does not change. It is machined square block that the individual round barrels fit into that stays with the gun at all times. No need to remove the pivot bolts to change barrels.
(http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/1/182403i2_ts.jpg)
The two barrels are turned down at the root and fit snug into the action. The bottom of the pivot block is drilled and tapped for a large set screw and the barrels have a counter sunk hole that you align to the setscrew. I found this video to show the procedure but his terminology isn't the best ( let alone the lawn mower in the background)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLb7gDZHF_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLb7gDZHF_w)
Beeman (SAG) even etch alignment arrows on both the receiver and the barrels to align the two before tightening the screw.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2015/04/14/4243135_03_eeman_silver_kodiak_x2_air_rif_640.jpg)
That said, Yes you need to rezero the scope after changing calibers. I was disappointed with the accuracy of mine with the .22 barrel I first installed. But when I swapped it over to the .177 I am quite happy with it out to 25 yards.
I will never turn down an opportunity to post a pic of mine because Shadow's custom paint job on my stock makes her easy on the eyes. ( I CAN CERTAINLY SEE WHY, SCOTT ! )
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u670/Hoosierb17/Hobbies/KIMG0739_zpsc5y9y2xk.jpg)
WOW !....NICE LOOKING GUN THERE SCOTT ! Best Regards to All - Tom
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The rs2 has a larger compression chamber and a larger spring. So it should be more powerful
They are quite heavy handed for sure, Avator didn't name his "howitzer" for nothing!
WOW !....NICE LOOKING GUN THERE SCOTT !
Heh heh... thanks Tom.
Shadow did the custom paint job for me... but not lipstick on a pig...she's a shooter!
I just had her out tonight for a 10M indoor shoot.
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Heh heh... thanks Tom.
Shadow did the custom paint job for me... but not lipstick on a pig...she's a shooter!
I just had her out tonight for a 10M indoor shoot.
IF YA GOT IT SCOTT.....Flaunt IT !!!!! Everybody else like me...Read and WEEP ! My Best Regards - Tom