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Fun Shoot By State Discussion Gate => Discussions By States => Georgia Fun Shooting Events => Topic started by: jc1234 on June 18, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
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The shoot will be in Dahlonega Ga on private property and everyone that wants to come is invited!
Thanks,
Jesse
The Address of the shoot is
568 T.S Jarrard Rd
Dahlonega, GA 30533
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Looking forward. The only suggestion I have at this time is that if anyone have any canopies and tables bring them because the sun will be miserable in the summer.
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Gosh missing some fun times back at home
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I'm in if the date matches up and I have canopies and tables.
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Great, I have some tables I will setup as well, also there is a small building we can keep the guns and equipment in so it's not in the sun.
Norman, I was thinking about July 17th do you think you will be back in town by then?
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Oh it will be a while before I come back home
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Jay, to bad you can't make it to the shoot, when do you think you will be back in town?
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I might can do the 17th. Maybe some of us Atlantan can carpool.
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Trinh, the pellets are in as will, do you want to meat before the shoot or just get them at the shoot?
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I can pick up at the shoot Jesse.
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I think the 17th will probably work for me.
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Gentleman having way to much fun bakc in georgia
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looks like July 17th is the day
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looks like July 17th is the day
Compile a list of things you need so we can volunteer from the list.
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looks like July 17th is the day
I'm sorry I'll miss this one...hope to be there next time. Thanks again to Norman for inviting me.
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I'm out too. July will be quite busy for me this year as it's the last month my business will be open.
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looks like July 17th is the day
Compile a list of things you need so we can volunteer from the list.
Here is the list, I will provide whatever is not volunteered.
Tables
Chairs
canopies
drinks
food for the grill
targets
plates
plastic forks, knives, and spoons.
I'm making some spinner targets for the shoot and should have enough to keep us entertained but I like to have more then we need incase people want to shoot something else or my crapy targets brake.
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I'm going to smoke a beer butt chicken and have baked beans as a side with home made pecan pie as the desert. There is a gas grill, stove, and oven on site so we can cook what ever you bring as well, I should be able to feed everyone with the chicken but there is nothing wrong with having to much food.
Glen, you will be missed hope to see you at the next one.
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I can bring two canopies (10x10) and a couple chairs. Happy to bring a grill and dogs or burgers...
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I can bring two canopies (10x10) and a couple chairs. Happy to bring a grill and dogs or burgers...
I think I have the Grill covered but the rest will be vary appreciated.
The Address of the shoot is
568 T.S Jarrard Rd
Dahlonega, GA 30533
I will be there all day that Saturday as well if someone wants to shoot that day as will.
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I will bring drinks...
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perfect, looks like that takes care for the canopies and the food.
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Almost 500 miles for me , is this for one day and would camping be allowed for a day or so?? David
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Almost 500 miles for me , is this for one day and would camping be allowed for a day or so?? David
The event is two days but most people will be there for Sunday the range will be opened on the 15th on I will be there around 8am every day through the 17th, have to go back to work on the 18th but you can stay and shoot longer if you want. Camping is allowed and if I run out of camp sites on my property there are 3 campgrounds within 3.5 miles of the range.
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the range is about finished, targets from 15'-150' and a field target course with 25-50 targets depending on how much time I have, the targets won't be cut until Monday so I'm loosing a weekend of target making. I have decided to make this a two day event, I will cook hotdogs and burgers for the 16th and the 17th will be the main day and BBQ, you can come for one day or both if you want. Camping will be allowed and there will be plenty of fire wood, just don't shoot the rabbits they are destined for the crockpot when season opens. ;D
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you're killing me. :( Sounds like an awesome time. I vote it gets done again in the Fall!
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It does sound like it is going to be a hoot! Are there any type of targets you need me to bring? I will pick some up if you guys want.
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you're killing me. :( Sounds like an awesome time. I vote it gets done again in the Fall!
We will definitely have a shoot in the fall.
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It does sound like it is going to be a hoot! Are there any type of targets you need me to bring? I will pick some up if you guys want.
All of the targets I'm making are Sample spinner targets, the sizes will be 1/2", 1", 2", 4". Some will be moveable and Some will be fixed, the fixed targets are made from wood with the spinners under the beam and the top is flat so we can put things on them to shoot, a frame slots in that holds paper targets as well. The Field targets are spinners as well, I just can't afford the nice nock down targets at the moment.
That's the targets I'm going to provide for the shoot, some used coffee pods and beer cans will be fun if you want to bring them.
Thanks
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Okay, cool. I'll see what kind of goodies I can dig up :D
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Jesse,
How much do I owe you for the pellets and also need an update on who is bring what. On the side note, I finally got the Donny Du shroud in and it is shooting 1/2 mil dot at 50 yds again. Let it sit for couple of days and the POI hasn't change.
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Jesse,
How much do I owe you for the pellets and also need an update on who is bring what. On the side note, I finally got the Donny Du shroud in and it is shooting 1/2 mil dot at 50 yds again. Let it sit for couple of days and the POI hasn't change.
2 .25 25.39@15.40ea
1 .25 25.39@free
3 .25 33.95@15.40ea
$5 shipping
total is only $82
thats awesome!!!, My Vulcan has started to do that as well, I think it is the orings in the shroud are damaged but I'm not sure.
I will make a list when I get home.
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I have the food and water covered, one maybe two canopies, two tables and targets covered.
Steve is bringing two canopies, some chairs maybe some hotdogs and hamburgers.
Trinh is bringing drinks
Donny may bring some reactive targets.
I think that will take care of everything.
Thanks
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David, awesome avatar!!!
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Just found out I could join you all on Saturday.
I can bring another table, and a small tarp.
Need anything else?
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So is this still a 2 day event? Who is going Saturday, and who is going Sunday? I can probably swing either myself...
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I can only make it on 17th. So hopefully who ever coming 16th will take care of the drinks.
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I could possibly change days.
If most folks will be there on Sunday anyway, might just wait til then. Wish we had a list of who is going to be there what days?
I could use a little help with my new Hatsan Gladius. Trigger pull is atrocious, and I have no clue about the tuning curve...
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The main shoot is the 17th, I decided to make it two day event and include the 16th just in case some people could not make it on the 17th but really wanted to come and shoot. I will have the food, drinks, canopies, tables, chairs, and everything else taken care of for the 16th.
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Guys something urgent came up and I will not be able to make it now. :'(
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I am sure Donny aka Rallyshark can help you. He tore down his brand new bullboss just to see what it looks like inside. ;D
I could possibly change days.
If most folks will be there on Sunday anyway, might just wait til then. Wish we had a list of who is going to be there what days?
I could use a little help with my new Hatsan Gladius. Trigger pull is atrocious, and I have no clue about the tuning curve...
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Ha! I'm sure that's something I can do all by myself... ;D
So, I'm changing days. I'll be there Sunday...
I'll bring a few homemade items like a folding shooting bench and a couple of pellet traps.
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I will have a workstation with tools And a gun vise plus the chronograph will be there as well I'm sure we can get that GunSquared away.
I think Sunday is going to be a lot of fun, Can't wait.
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Ill be back in Ohio sunday
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Guys something urgent came up and I will not be able to make it now. :'(
You will surely be missed at the shoot Norman. Sorry you can't make it man...
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I forgot to say, I'll be there Sunday for sure!
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I will come by Saturday for a while and bring the canopies and table then come back for the day on Sunday. I will also bring a chrony that anyone is welcome to use.
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thinking about you guys today as I'm sitting here at work. On the one hand I'm missing shooting. On the other hand I'm sitting in air conditioning. Still wish I could be there.
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I am sure there will be more Glenn. Anyways, what time are y 'all gonna be there tomorrow?
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I am sure there will be more Glenn. Anyways, what time are y 'all gonna be there tomorrow?
I'm going to try and get there by noon, if not a little before. That is, if that isn't too early for the host :)
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The event is two days but most people will be there for Sunday the range will be opened on the 15th on I will be there around 8am every day through the 17th, have to go back to work on the 18th but you can stay and shoot longer if you want. Camping is allowed and if I run out of camp sites on my property there are 3 campgrounds within 3.5 miles of the range.
I'm going to try to get there early so as to get some time in before, and if, it rains that afternoon. If Jesse is going to be there at 8:00, I might shoot for 9:00-9:30.
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Just wondering if y'all got rained on today, and what the plan is for tomorrow?
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Just wondering if y'all got rained on today, and what the plan is for tomorrow?
I was wondering the same thing about today. Did you guys get some shooting in? FYI, the rain chance is lower for Sunday :D
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Getting ready to head to the range, going to eat some breakfast then finish loading the truck looks like I'm going to make that 8 a.m. Prediction. It did rain on us but we got a lot of shooting in including the hundred and fifty yard targets and even shot under the Canopies in the rain, I was very surprised how well pellets do around 40 yards in the rain. I did not get the field Target course finished the spinner targets took way too much time To make
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take some pics and video and post them here. Have fun!
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Guys I've just heard from two of the shooters that have arrived that Google Maps is sending them to the wrong location my phone number is 706-878-8905 we don't have very good cell service here at the range but just keep calling eventually we'll get through and I'll walk you here
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Great turn out as usual. Glad to meet everyone. It rained for about an hour but gave us time to eat the great food Jesse made. Will have to plan another one soon, it was quiet a drive but worth it. Jesse had set up targets for all kind of guns, from 25 to 150 yds. On a side note, I left my ammo bag so if you don't mind keeping it for me until the next time. Sorry no video Glen, after downing 2 hamburgers, beans, hotdogs, and chip. My fingers was NOT as steady, hence the reason why I couldn't hit anything pass 80 yards. 8)
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I wish I could have made it. look like you all had a great time.
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Yes, it was a good time, and I left shortly after you did Trinh. I can only imagine how good that smoked chicken turned out :( There were quite a few guns to play with, even a nice selection of break barrel guns. There was every caliber available pretty much. There were .177, .20, .22, .25, .357/9mm, and .50. It sure is a hoot to watch a .50 hit a 4" spinner at 25 yards,lol! I'm not going to name who brought what, since I'm horrible with names.
I think my favorite combo was Jesse's .25 Vulcan with the SWFA fixed 10 power scope. That gun was ACCURATE, and loved that scope on it. I'm also glad I got to finally stretch the legs on the Bullboss. It did pretty good. I think I can get the accuracy a wee bit better with a little love on the barrel, but it wasn't bad at all though. I need to work on my shooting too. I had the 100 yard spinner nailed down pretty good with it :D I even managed to hit the 150 yard spinner a couple of times with 9 + 3 imaginary mil dots holdover!
You would have had a good time for sure Norman.
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Glen, There was a .177 Gladius there too. That thing was cooking with those light pellets!
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I was hitting a steel plate at 150 with the 50 daq. and hitting propane tanks at 100 with the rws 350 even hit the steel plate at 150 with the rws 350 22 cal, Thanks had a good time hope I get invited again, got to shoot my theoben some to.
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Sounds like it was a blast. I'll have to try and make the next one.
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Glen, There was a .177 Gladius there too. That thing was cooking with those light pellets!
That was Jim. Saw him posting in the Darkside gate and he's a newbie like me and I knew he'd get some friendly help if he could make it. Glad you finally got to spend some time w/a Gladius.
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Donny is a genius with the Hatsan Gladius and the BullBoss. Thanks again for the help with my Gladius Donny. I KNEW that trigger could be better. Donny thought that trigger was about 6 pounds when we started. I believe it. It was HORRIBLE. Now it's sweet as can be.
He gave me an oring to put on the hammer too. It lightened up the "PING" a bit.
I started trying some heavier pellets and wound up with the Barracuda match grouping fairly well at 30 yards, and we didn't even need to tune the curve really. It puts those 10.6 grain pellets out at about an average of 950 FPS if I keep the pressure between ~180-108 BAR. I could hit the 80 yard targets fairly consistently, but the 100 yard shots were impossible. I even tried the HUGE 150 yard target, but had NO idea where the pellets were landing...
Donny has his Bullboss unbelievably quiet. It's amazing.
Later on I'll post some pix and maybe a video of Troy's .50 cal making that 150 yard shot... Unfortunately, I can't remember what brand that gun was... But what a HOOT! It put a ball slap through a 2x6 at about 40 yards. I don't think it even made that board bounce as it went through... :o
I had several adventures yesterday, and wouldn't trade it for anything.
Thanks again Jesse, for hosting this. I think we all had a great time!
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Jim so glad you got to go. I knew those fine boys would help you out. Donny helped me quite a bit w/my AT44 long when the magazine lever broke. They've forgotten more than I'll ever know. ;)
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I was at the shoot, I talked about the North Carolina Air gun Show no one heard of it ,October 14TH,15TH Hickory Fairgrounds ,Newton North Carolina, American Legion Ave Post 48 PH#828-294=2468 Cell 828-851-0245 Tony McDaniel Hope to see everyone there This Is Show and Shoot
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Jim, that gun Troy let us shoot is .50 cal Quackenbush Gun. I think Troy has a gun problem like most of us if all those guns he brought with him was only a fraction of his collections.
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Donny is the master of Hatsan. I am impress that his Bullboss was hitting targets at 150 yds. :o
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Troy, here is the other location that we shot last time. Maybe you and others could make it out the next one.
Scales Landfill
7200 Scales Road
30058 Lithonia
GA
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you guys need to share you insights, discoveries, and experiences on the darkside forum. So many go there than never even know these state gates exist.
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Let me know when the next Lithonia shoot will be I will go, Thanks Troy
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I wish I could have made it. look like you all had a great time.
Norman, you would have had fun, you will have to come up one day and shoot that Cricket at 150.
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Troy, here is the other location that we shot last time. Maybe you and others could make it out the next one.
Scales Landfill
7200 Scales Road
30058 Lithonia
GA
Let me know when the next one is and I will try to make it.
Trinh, I have your ammo bag and target, next time we shoot I will give them to you.
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I'm no master, I just keep taking things apart and tearing my own stuff up first, before I tell you guys anything,lol! Troy brought a freaking collection with him, and it was awesome! He had a lot of guns I've never heard of, much less seen. I still think Jesse gets the marksman award. He did shoot gravel off the top of 100 yard target, multiple times. I'm still in awe of how accurate that Vulcan was...
I was also pleasantly surprised by the P12 Steve brought. That is nice looking little gun, and of course the Condor is a beast! It was great meeting all you guys, and shooting your guns didn't hurt either :)
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Awesome time at the North GA fun shoot/ mudbogg, thanks again Jesse for hosting the event and generously sharing the nitro fills. Troy came loaded for mouse to bear, and that .50 cal Quackenbush was a cannon. Donny's Bullboss sure caught my eye, not that I could hit the rocks at 80 yards like he was. Jesse's Vulcan just couldn't miss, even out to 150 yards.
Half inch spinners at 40 and 50 yards in a rain so hard the range finders wouldn't work still seemed easy for the Vulcan and the P12. :D
Jim, I was impressed that the Gladius power wheel worked perfectly and the results of changing the setting was immediately visible through the chrony.
Trinh, sorry that you didn't get to shoot the big iron, maybe next time, but the Cricket is a piece of art. I think you knocked over a rock or two at 80 and 100 also.
Thanks everyone for sharing a great weekend event. I look forward to the next get together and will try to make the next landfill shoot.
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A few pix...
I was one of the ones who got lost up in those mountains by following Google Maps. A word of warning; be sure to look at the route before you get there to make sure you're actually going where you want. ::)
I wound up on this paved single track (Mountain Cove Road) which turned into gravel road (Miller Cove Road), and upon which Google Maps announced that I had "arrived at my destination". As the crow flies, I wasn't that far away, after all, Jesse's place was just down the mountain a piece... And I do mean "DOWN". Anyway, I busted out in helpless laughter when Google Maps told me to "continue straight" on a mountain goat trail upon which there wasn't even enough room to turn a wheelbarrow around, much less my Ranger.
Saw a Turkey run across this road though, which was a bonus. Plenty of deer and other wildlife up there.
Anyways, be aware that the GPS might steer you wrong if you go visit Jesse...
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After my adventure on the fine mountain roads that Google apparently has no clue about, I did wind up in the right place, even it was up another single track paved road. This time I knew it was the right one when I saw canopies and targets set up...
Steve is shown here with his P12, which is one sweet little varmint rifle, that I actually took the time to shoot.... One regret I have is that I didn't take the opportunity to shoot more of the rifles you guys brought. I'll have to remedy that next time...
And then we have Troy with one of his break barrels. I think this might be the Theoben, (which I didn't know was pronounced Thweeben) which was a pretty accurate and hard hitting shooter even up to 100-150 yards.
And you can see my Gladius there on my homemade folding bench.
Also a pair of pretty bullpups that I have no idea what they are.
And last Steve's Condor keeping the cooker company. I was impressed at the sound level of that thing until I heard the .50 cal Quakenbush go off. I'll post the video of it if I can figure it out.
Sorry I didn't get a picture of you, Trinh (Tin Soldier). Trinh's a great guy, full of energy, who kept us all laughing. Next time I need to try out your rifle too, sir!
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Oh. Almost forgot...
We got rained on pretty well. Heard tell that Jesse got quite a bit of water down his back on Friday when someone opened the cabin door and disturbed the canopy. Whee!
Here's a taste of what it looked like on the range. And folks (Jesse, Donny, and Steve) scrambling to get the stuff out of the water.
The rain made it kinda interesting getting the trucks back out of the deep woods parking lot too. Jesse wound up getting stuck down there and having to get the tractor to pull it out. Luckily Steve and I got our Rangers out with not too much difficulty.
Well... Not difficult if you don't count me having to borrow Steve's expensive custom hanger* to break into my Ranger and get the keys out of the ignition... Oops. Forgot they were there after rolling up the windows during the rain, and consequently locking the doors with the key turned on, and not noticing til hours later. And then having to jump off my dead battery. Yep. I did it. How embarrassing! :-[
All part of the adventure. I wouldn't change a thing!
*Steve, I promise to bring you another just like it. ;)
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Here is a vid of the .50 cal Quackenbush going off. The video doesn't do the muzzle blast justice (it even flutters the canopy). But you can hear the lead hit the 150 yard target...
https://youtu.be/tGW9GSUXkz0
We all had huge grins on our faces when we shot it. It was like; "do it again!" ;D
Also some pix of the hole through the 2x6. :o
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All in all, it was a great day.
Good food, great company, lots of laughter and good natured ribbing, good fun, great rifles.
And being up in the mountains was a bonus. It's gorgeous up there. What a spectacular sunset over on Ts Jarrard road.
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Those two pups would be Trinh's Cricket and Jesse's Vulcan. Talk about a nice pair! Thanks for posting the pictures Jim!
Oh, I and wonder how many people(especially with Hatsan air cylinders) have wiped the rust off their guns by now? I wiped my gun down and put it in the building, but I still had a light dusting of rust on my air cylinder. I just wiped it down with an oiled rag, and then cleaned it off. It's just like new now, but I've had that happen with my AT-44 before, so I knew to check it today... If any of you haven't, you better go check it out to be safe.
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Donny, you have that bullboss dialed in and I still can't get over how quiet it is. Thanks for the advice on the at-44, I,m still a newbie when it comes to tuning for max shot count.
Steve, I was vary impressed with the p12 I love how light it is, I can't wait to see how it does with a hammer denounce device installed. We need to talk about that condor if you want to sell it :D
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Thanks Jim for the pictures, I'm glad everyone had a good time and got home safely.
If any of y'all want to come and shoot on the weekends just call or message me, if I don't have plans then y'all are welcome to come, heck I will probably be there anyway.
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You're quite welcome. I wish I'd taken more pix...
By the way, I was in the doghouse a bit because I stayed out so late, but it was SO worth it.. ;D I didn't get home til 10:30PM, and didn't get everything put away, showered and in bed til 11:45PM. :o
Loved all of it, even locking my keys in my truck, and getting lost. 8) I did NOT enjoy having to get up at 6:30AM and go to work though.. ;D
You definitely have to do this again in the fall. Boy, do I hope I'm not occupied doing something else.
Thanks again man!
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Looks like a great time! Looking forward to the Fall event.
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Sounds like we won't be seeing Jim for a while. ;D. That was part of the reason I had to leave early because I want to be able to shoot again at the next meet. ;)
Great pictures. I wished I had more. We definitely have to meet up again in the Fall, I am sure the scenery is worth the drive. I am still baffled that my GPS was able to get me there.
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Sounds like we won't be seeing Jim for a while. ;D. That was part of the reason I had to leave early because I want to be able to shoot again at the next meet. ;)
Great pictures. I wished I had more. We definitely have to meet up again in the Fall, I am sure the scenery is worth the drive. I am still baffled that my GPS was able to get me there.
You're a wiser man than I!
I'll definitely be following your example next time..
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Trinh, you did not miss anything with the chicken, after it got done cooking is was like rubber.I thought I had just not cooked it right but as it turns out the other two chickens were the same way after cooking them so it must have ben the chicken, or at lest that is my excuse ;D all I can say is sorry to the people that ate that chicken.
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Anyone looking for a Cricket 22 cal BP wood? I just made a deal with a person who is selling off his airgun stuff before moving to Europe. I grabbed a bunch of pellets. He sold 4 of his PCPs and accessories on the yellow forum the past couple of days. He is about to list his Cricket BP for $925 later tonight. Just a heads up if anyone interested.
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I'm still trying to get the $ up for a tank and valve set up.
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I'm still trying to get the $ up for a tank and valve set up.
Glen if you went the ebay tank and self build fill assembly you can get a tank and assembly for a little over $200 minus shipping. So with hydro testing and shipping it shouldn't be more than $250 all in. This is for a 65CF 45 minute tank with a manufacture date of 2008.
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I just met a guy today in town who's company does hydro testing. Or does the hydro testing happen before they ship it?
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You have to get the tank hydro tested unless it's been tested within the last 5 years. Hydro testing is $29 at Atlanta Fire Safety. I'm sure there is a place near you that does it. I wouldn't take it to a dive shop because they will just send it off to be tested and charge you a service fee.
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The guy I met is with a fire and safety company.
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Great. I took a page out of Jesse's playbook and rented a nitrogen cylinder. I'm still going to use the paintball shop but there have been times when they get busy and low on air pressure. Rent is only $8 per month so I don't mind having a back-up system.
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Geeze guys, I've been out of active airgunning about 15 years and now I find a bunch of enthusiasts near me! Hate that I missed your get together. Maybe I can meet up with y'all sometime this fall.
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Great. I took a page out of Jesse's playbook and rented a nitrogen cylinder. I'm still going to use the paintball shop but there have been times when they get busy and low on air pressure. Rent is only $8 per month so I don't mind having a back-up system.
What's the difference performance and price wise for nitrogen vs CO2?
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Well normally this group of guys meets in Lithonia, which seems to be about the same distance from Buford, as Dahlonega.
I'm going to try to make it to a Lithonia meetup sometime. But I'll definitely make an effort to get back to the Fall meetup at Jesse's place, if I'm not otherwise engaged. This made me want to move to the mountains...
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Well normally this group of guys meets in Lithonia, which seems to be about the same distance from Buford, as Dahlonega.
I'm going to try to make it to a Lithonia meetup sometime. But I'll definitely make an effort to get back to the Fall meetup at Jesse's place, if I'm not otherwise engaged. This made me want to move to the mountains...
Not really an issue. I used to shoot with Airgunning Atlanta, which meets in Covington. What's a couple of hours?
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Great. I took a page out of Jesse's playbook and rented a nitrogen cylinder. I'm still going to use the paintball shop but there have been times when they get busy and low on air pressure. Rent is only $8 per month so I don't mind having a back-up system.
What's the difference performance and price wise for nitrogen vs CO2?
Do you mean nitrogen and regular high pressure air? CO2 not good for PCPs. I'm not sure if there is a performance difference in nitrogen and HPA except nitrogen is dryer and so better for PCP tanks. Different vendors price their rental and gas differently. I shopped around and decided to get the tank from Palmers Welding. It cost $8 per month rental and gas refill (drop-off and exchange) is $44.
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Welcome Winston. Hope to see you out there the next time.
Geeze guys, I've been out of active airgunning about 15 years and now I find a bunch of enthusiasts near me! Hate that I missed your get together. Maybe I can meet up with y'all sometime this fall.
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Sorry to hear that. I actually look up on youtube on how to make it. Don't know what happen to yours. Maybe you drank too much of the beer and not much left to cook the chicken? ;D
Trinh, you did not miss anything with the chicken, after it got done cooking is was like rubber.I thought I had just not cooked it right but as it turns out the other two chickens were the same way after cooking them so it must have ben the chicken, or at lest that is my excuse ;D all I can say is sorry to the people that ate that chicken.
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Do you mean nitrogen and regular high pressure air? CO2 not good for PCPs. I'm not sure if there is a performance difference in nitrogen and HPA except nitrogen is dryer and so better for PCP tanks. Different vendors price their rental and gas differently. I shopped around and decided to get the tank from Palmers Welding. It cost $8 per month rental and gas refill (drop-off and exchange) is $44.
How many CF is the nitrogen tank? How heavy? The problem is who is going to help me carry it to the truck and back for the each fill? It sounds tempting however.
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Do you mean nitrogen and regular high pressure air? CO2 not good for PCPs. I'm not sure if there is a performance difference in nitrogen and HPA except nitrogen is dryer and so better for PCP tanks. Different vendors price their rental and gas differently. I shopped around and decided to get the tank from Palmers Welding. It cost $8 per month rental and gas refill (drop-off and exchange) is $44.
How many CF is the nitrogen tank? How heavy? The problem is who is going to help me carry it to the truck and back for the each fill? It sounds tempting however.
It's very heavy. I think it's 444 CF @6000 psi. Some companies will deliver them. Check with Sidney Lee Welding. Their gas is more expensive at $70 per refill.
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Geeze guys, I've been out of active airgunning about 15 years and now I find a bunch of enthusiasts near me! Hate that I missed your get together. Maybe I can meet up with y'all sometime this fall.
It would be great shooting with you. Hope you can make it out sometimes.
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Let me know when the next Lithonia shoot will be I will go, Thanks Troy
Troy I may have inadvertently crossed your path a couple of years ago. I was talking to a person at some store (Can't remember which) and the subject of PCPs came up. The store person had a M-Rod so he was familiar somewhat with PCPs. He talked about a person with a PCP with a funny name (name of PCP) from Conyers and said this person modified and worked on PCP airguns.
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So I got the Slayer fixed without having to send it in. Apparently the 5000 psi burst disk blew on me. Probably chinese made because I only fill that gun up to 3500 psi according to the gauge. Unless the gauge is off but I don't think it is 1500 psi off :o. I ended up scavenging one from a small CF paintball tank that I had. Replaced it and now it works great. Hopefully the next meet, I will have more guns to play with.
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So I got the Slayer fixed without having to send it in. Apparently the 5000 psi burst disk blew on me. Probably chinese made because I only fill that gun up to 3500 psi according to the gauge. Unless the gauge is off but I don't think it is 1500 psi off :o. I ended up scavenging one from a small CF paintball tank that I had. Replaced it and now it works great. Hopefully the next meet, I will have more guns to play with.
That has to make you feel better!
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Trinh, glad to hear the Slayer is back in business. Look forward to seeing that one knock pebbles of the targets at 100 yards.
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Trinh, glad to hear the Slayer is back in business. Look forward to seeing that one knock pebbles of the targets at 100 yards.
I have seen it shoot some pretty good groups at 80 yards :D
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Trinh, now that you have the slayer fiction gonna have to come back up and try your hand at 100 and 150 yard targets.
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Donny, here is the link to the Picatinny rail covers. I still have couple of more bags so if you need them , let me know and I will bring them . By the way, thank you Jesse for the cricket Magazine!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-SELLER-Universal-20mm-Weaver-Picatinny-Rubber-Rail-Covers-Hand-Guard-24-PCS-/272316915067?hash=item3f675a5d7b (http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-SELLER-Universal-20mm-Weaver-Picatinny-Rubber-Rail-Covers-Hand-Guard-24-PCS-/272316915067?hash=item3f675a5d7b)
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Donny, here is the link to the Picatinny rail covers. I still have couple of more bags so if you need them , let me know and I will bring them . By the way, thank you Jesse for the cricket Magazine!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-SELLER-Universal-20mm-Weaver-Picatinny-Rubber-Rail-Covers-Hand-Guard-24-PCS-/272316915067?hash=item3f675a5d7b (http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-SELLER-Universal-20mm-Weaver-Picatinny-Rubber-Rail-Covers-Hand-Guard-24-PCS-/272316915067?hash=item3f675a5d7b)
Great, thanks Trinh! I just wasn't sure what they were called, or where they came from. I wanted to recommend them to others, but I didn't know what to tell them to get,lol! Those two you gave should have me covered though.
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Do you mean nitrogen and regular high pressure air? CO2 not good for PCPs. I'm not sure if there is a performance difference in nitrogen and HPA except nitrogen is dryer and so better for PCP tanks. Different vendors price their rental and gas differently. I shopped around and decided to get the tank from Palmers Welding. It cost $8 per month rental and gas refill (drop-off and exchange) is $44.
How many CF is the nitrogen tank? How heavy? The problem is who is going to help me carry it to the truck and back for the each fill? It sounds tempting however.
It's very heavy. I think it's 444 CF @6000 psi. Some companies will deliver them. Check with Sidney Lee Welding. Their gas is more expensive at $70 per refill.
Aren't those tanks close to 500# filled?
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Do you mean nitrogen and regular high pressure air? CO2 not good for PCPs. I'm not sure if there is a performance difference in nitrogen and HPA except nitrogen is dryer and so better for PCP tanks. Different vendors price their rental and gas differently. I shopped around and decided to get the tank from Palmers Welding. It cost $8 per month rental and gas refill (drop-off and exchange) is $44.
How many CF is the nitrogen tank? How heavy? The problem is who is going to help me carry it to the truck and back for the each fill? It sounds tempting however.
It's very heavy. I think it's 444 CF @6000 psi. Some companies will deliver them. Check with Sidney Lee Welding. Their gas is more expensive at $70 per refill.
Aren't those tanks close to 500# filled?
Yes, they are about 500 pounds filled. Y'all are lucky, it is $140 for me to get the tanks refilled.
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I was thinking about trying to set up a group by for SCBA tanks and the fill assemblies if anyone may be interested in this let me know I want to get an idea on roughly how many people are interested before I start calling around to see if we can get any special prices.
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I was thinking about trying to set up a group by for SCBA tanks and the fill assemblies if anyone may be interested in this let me know I want to get an idea on roughly how many people are interested before I start calling around to see if we can get any special prices.
Count me in! What sizes are we talking about?
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Are we talking NEW? Or half-life?
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I need a tank for sure.
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Are we talking NEW? Or half-life?
Half-life, I can't afford a new one
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Yeah, couldn't afford the new tank either. That's why I asked..
I priced the setup at around $200 including fittings and gauge with a half-life tank.
How much of a discount you reckon we could get off that?
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Yeah, couldn't afford the new tank either. That's why I asked..
I priced the setup at around $200 including fittings and gauge with a half-life tank.
How much of a discount you reckon we could get off that?
What size did you price and what age tank?
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It was a 2008, 4500 PSI, carbon wrapped SCBA tank, commonly called a "45 minute tank". It's around $138 on eBay.
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Hi Jesse count me in on the tank setup also.
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Donny, Jesse and I are working on a deal to purchase my Condor, and I am leaning toward a .25 Bullboss to replace the Condor. I would love your thoughts on getting the Bullboss to shoot 31 gn Cudas at about 910 fps which is about 57 fpe. I saw your correspondence with Baxter Walton, should be great information coming on the Bullboss between the two of you.
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Donny, Jesse and I are working on a deal to purchase my Condor, and I am leaning toward a .25 Bullboss to replace the Condor. I would love your thoughts on getting the Bullboss to shoot 31 gn Cudas at about 910 fps which is about 57 fpe. I saw your correspondence with Baxter Walton, should be great information coming on the Bullboss between the two of you.
I think the gun is certainly capable of it with a little bit "adjustment". The bigger thing will be if it likes the 31 grain cudas in the accuracy department. I see no reason why it wouldn't though. That also depends on which 31 grain ones you're speaking of. You are right watching Baxter's thread! It will be a great exercise in what that gun can do in .25, and he knows his stuff. I don't know how many shots you'd get sending those 31 grain pellets at 910 fps though. Hopefully, he will provides some insight into that department. I'm guessing you're planning on using that on critters of some sort? Chipmunks or sparrows I'd guess,lol!
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Thanks Donny, the real drive behind shooting the Baracuda 31 gn pellets is that I have a boat load of them and the bcc is very good. I also have some 31 gn slugs to try with even greater bcc. JSB 25 gn would be the fall back pellet of choice and yes I would probably get more shots. I might have to work up a pellet trade or sale to fund those.
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Thanks Donny, the real drive behind shooting the Baracuda 31 gn pellets is that I have a boat load of them and the bcc is very good. I also have some 31 gn slugs to try with even greater bcc. JSB 25 gn would be the fall back pellet of choice and yes I would probably get more shots. I might have to work up a pellet trade or sale to fund those.
If you have a ton of those, then you should definitely give them a go when you get the gun. I would try as many different pellets as I could, before I settled on which ones to stockpile. I'm not a good one to talk about stockpiling though, you saw how many different pellets I was playing with, ha. I know a lot of the other guys in this bunch have more experience on what pellets have worked for them in .25. The JSBs seem to be universally liked, but I've always had good luck with H&N stuff too. JSB also has the 34 grain, and the Benjamin domes are 27.8, and of course the Cuda Hunter and Hunter Extremes look like they'd do some damage. Decisions, decisions.... :D
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Thanks Donny, the real drive behind shooting the Baracuda 31 gn pellets is that I have a boat load of them and the bcc is very good. I also have some 31 gn slugs to try with even greater bcc. JSB 25 gn would be the fall back pellet of choice and yes I would probably get more shots. I might have to work up a pellet trade or sale to fund those.
Steve what is the make of the slugs? I tried a few slugs in my Sumatra but could never find any that performed as well as the 43 gr Eujin pellets.
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I have off on Thursday and am going to call all the vinders I can find for the tanks and all the stuff to make the fill station. Hopefully I can get us some good prices, or at the vary lest devide the shipping up.
I can't wait to see how a .25 bull boss dose at that power
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Jesse, I wish that whole tank filling thing was relevant to me, but I'm still a pumper for a while. I'm not above "stealing" air when I shoot with people that do have tanks though, haha.
I would assume the .25 Bullboss should have about the same capability as an AT-44 Long in .25 does. Norman can tell you all about what the AT-44 in .25 is capable of. I know in terms of max power they are capable of 70+fpe with a little work. Max power is kinda useless, if you want any kind of decent shot count. It seems like I remember rsterne(Bob) getting around 20 shots in the 55ish fpe range?
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Jesse, I wish that whole tank filling thing was relevant to me, but I'm still a pumper for a while. I'm not above "stealing" air when I shoot with people that do have tanks though, haha.
That is fine on both counts, you are welcome to use my tank to fill you gun any time we shoot together.
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I believe Donny just like pumping. I offered to let him use my Shoebox but he would rather keep pumping. ;D
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I have off on Thursday and am going to call all the vinders I can find for the tanks and all the stuff to make the fill station. Hopefully I can get us some good prices, or at the vary lest devide the shipping up.
I can't wait to see how a .25 bull boss dose at that power
Just spoke with my cousin over in the Cumming area (a relatively new PCP owner) and he would like a tank if we can keep costs for the tank + fill equipment under $200 or so. Do we want to try to get the 410 cu in (45 min) tanks or the 550 cu in tanks? Does anyone care?
Also, shouldn't we break out this group tank buy as a separate thread under Georgia Fun Shooting Events? Someone else might see it and want to join in.
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Norman the slugs I have are 32 gn WICKED MONSTER HOLLOW POINTS. The Condor seemed to like them better than the Eujins, but of course that doesn't mean other guns will behave the same. I only have about 90 or so of them left so not a big deal if they don't perform as well in other guns. My Baracuda stockpile still sits at four unopened tins so hope they continue to perform. I also have a couple tins of Crosman 27.8 gn and a few JSB 25 gn, so I can search for "that" pellet.
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I'm 3 days away from being unemployed so I shouldn't commit to a tank right now, even though lots of shooting would probably be excellent therapy! ;) But I'd need to find a cool, indoor place to shoot I guess.
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If I know how to play a guitar, you can bet I would have picked one up from you. I bought one with an amp from Costco, telling myself that I would learn but all it does is collecting dus at the corner of the room. >:(
I'm 3 days away from being unemployed so I shouldn't commit to a tank right now, even though lots of shooting would probably be excellent therapy! ;) But I'd need to find a cool, indoor place to shoot I guess.
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Move it on out the door and get a little $ for it to put towards your next pellet gun. I sold 3 guitars to get that Gladius.
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Back up to Jesse's today for a transaction and some shooting fun. Jesse is now the new owner my .25 Airforce Condor, and I have a new .25 Bullboss on the way!!!
10 seconds after the transaction was completed Jesse was tearing down the Condor for a new scope, bipod, and tophat adjustment, while I loaded up the Hatsan 125 breakbarrel for some down range shooting. After zeroing the scope on the Hatsan, I took aim at the largest ( I think 3 inch) target at 100 yards and low and behold, nailed it. We decided it didn't happen if I could not duplicate it so another shot, another "ping", the 125 was dead on...
The P12 didn't let me down today either finally getting it to consistantly "ping" the 150 yard targets.
Jesse had the Condor shooting well but the tophat didn't seem to want to stay tight. I suspect there are several mods coming for that one, including a TT tophat...
It was a great afternoon, thanks again for the hospitality Jesse.
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Back up to Jesse's today for a transaction and some shooting fun. Jesse is now the new owner my .25 Airforce Condor, and I have a new .25 Bullboss on the way!!!
10 seconds after the transaction was completed Jesse was tearing down the Condor for a new scope, bipod, and tophat adjustment, while I loaded up the Hatsan 125 breakbarrel for some down range shooting. After zeroing the scope on the Hatsan, I took aim at the largest ( I think 3 inch) target at 100 yards and low and behold, nailed it. We decided it didn't happen if I could not duplicate it so another shot, another "ping", the 125 was dead on...
The P12 didn't let me down today either finally getting it to consistantly "ping" the 150 yard targets.
Jesse had the Condor shooting well but the tophat didn't seem to want to stay tight. I suspect there are several mods coming for that one, including a TT tophat...
It was a great afternoon, thanks again for the hospitality Jesse.
It sounds like you both are winners on that transaction. I'm sure you'll enjoy that Bullboss, and Jesse already knows the Condor is a beast. Are you going to jump right into modding the Bullboss, or see if you like it as is? There should be some good info coming from the thread that Baxter started, if he'll stop hunting long enough to add more info,lol! Of course, I'd be happy to answer any questions I can. In the mean time, start looking this over: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=33903.20 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=33903.20) It is an AT-44, so you can ignore some of the stock modding info. Everything else is the same, except the hammer for the most part :D
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Well Donny, slight turn of events, neither Pyramid nor Midway (the two best priced places I found) had the Bullboss in .25 and Pyramid says it will be October before they have one, so the .22 version is on the way (should be here Thursday or Friday) from Pyramid. Sure hope I can lean on you for some tips for the simple mods. Probably will not get too serious until it is broken in and I can see what kind of shooter it really is.
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Well Donny, slight turn of events, neither Pyramid nor Midway (the two best priced places I found) had the Bullboss in .25 and Pyramid says it will be October before they have one, so the .22 version is on the way (should be here Thursday or Friday) from Pyramid. Sure hope I can lean on you for some tips for the simple mods. Probably will not get too serious until it is broken in and I can see what kind of shooter it really is.
Well, it is very hard to find a better pup type gun at a better price. I know you were wanting a .25, but you can have fun with the .22 too. You won't be able to get the same fpe out of it, but it'll do almost(if not do it) 40fpe bone stock. Mine did seem to do okay with the 25.39 JSBs when I tried it shooting them at Jesse's. If you do a little modding, you can probably pull about 20 shots out of it at 50 fpe. I know my AT-44 was most accurate with those 25.39s shooting about 48-49fpe. I think the barracuda match 21.14 grains at about 925 fps would be great for medium sized critters. That would give some good penetration with those pellets, and they are very accurate in most all Hatsan .22s. Mine shoots them pretty much hole in hole at 30 yards, and that was before I did some "barrel work" the other day, haha. You'll like it I'm sure :D The best part about modding these Hatsans is it costs very little to do. I haven't done EVERYTHING I can to mine, but almost. I think my total cost in parts was probably less than $10! It's mostly elbow grease that gets the job done... Almost every person I've seen post groups with their Bullboss, have been shooting pretty darned accurate out of the box. I had not done anything to the barrel on mine when we were shooting at Jesse's for what its worth.
Of course, I'm willing tell you everything I know about it. That's half the fun!
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Ok so I have an update on the SCBA fill stations, I got us 10% off for the fittings and am still trying to track down a good suppler for the micro bore hose and gauges. I couldn't find a good source for the tanks so ebay may be the best option for them.
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I am not sure if you guys got any leads but these are the hoses I have. They are short so won't waste any air plus it's cheap and 6000psi. The only set back is it might take a while since its from China. However at the price buy a couple to save. These are considered wear items because of constant kinks and all.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Pressure-Hose-64Mpa-9000PSI-8mm-Quick-Connector-for-PCP-Auto-Hand-Pump-/171647852405?hash=item27f7025f75:g:2DsAAOSwk5FUvICG (http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Pressure-Hose-64Mpa-9000PSI-8mm-Quick-Connector-for-PCP-Auto-Hand-Pump-/171647852405?hash=item27f7025f75:g:2DsAAOSwk5FUvICG)
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Ok so I have an update on the SCBA fill stations, I got us 10% off for the fittings and am still trying to track down a good suppler for the micro bore hose and gauges. I couldn't find a good source for the tanks so ebay may be the best option for them.
Bummer! Have you checked online fire supply sources?
I've been pricing the tanks on eBay and considering the amortized costs, I'm wondering if it might not be just as economical to buy new? There are a few deals on eBay, but you're typically looking at only 3-5 years of life and you still need a fill yoke w/gauge and microbore hose. Just looking at one of Joe B's Tiger Sharks, you can buy it new including a fill station and it costs $40/yr to own (not including a couple of $12 hydros). A lot of initial outlay, but I'm thinking we'll be out $300 if we get a deal on a fill station plus a tank that's within 3-4 years of expiration. Amortizing a tank with only 3 years of life left in it comes out to about $35-40/yr and then add in the fill station and it's not looking too economical.
Did I miss something here?
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I just realized that when my Bullboss arrives, three out of my four guns will be Hatsans... :o Didn't really intend it that way, but have always been happy with Hatsan's. The one exception, the weight, should be somewhat mitigated by the Bullboss form factor so really looking forward to that.
If the Bullboss performs well at the 35-40 ft lbs range, I will de-tune the P12 to shoot 14.3 CP Ultra Magnums at about 28 ft lbs for 40 shots. I really had way more .22 pellets than .25 anyway so looks like I will need to trade my remaining .25 pellets for some 18 gn JSB's and do some testing.
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Mine came out of the box shooting a decent 30 shot string averaging 35 fpe without me touching a thing, so you may not have much work to do there! I would get myself some of the cuda match 21.14s in different head sizes to see which one was most accurate based on what I've seen from my two guns. Mine likes the 5.51s better than the 5.52,5.53s, but I've seen others that prefer the the other head sizes. It seems like almost everything does okay with the CPUM. Up to 30-40 yards, I've had great accuracy the the Terminators and the Hunters for tree rats. I've never tried the predator variations, but a lot of people love them...
Hatsan and light don't really go together, haha. It is way better with the Bullboss than the AT-44 though as far as feeling the weight. It'll never be P12 light though. Heck, I'd try tuning the P12 down to 25fpe. I bet it would be seriously quiet then!
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Ok so I have an update on the SCBA fill stations, I got us 10% off for the fittings and am still trying to track down a good suppler for the micro bore hose and gauges. I couldn't find a good source for the tanks so ebay may be the best option for them.
I have found a seller who will sell us multiple Luxfer 45 min 4500 psi CF tanks for $75/ea shipped. These are dated 2006, but they need a hydro ($12 @ Peach State). Good for another 5 years. The photos look like they are in decent condition. These should be the equivalent capacity of Joe B's Tiger Shark tanks.
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Ok, Winston has found us a good deal on the tanks and they will even give us a deal with the shipping. He is wanting to order the tanks tomorrow, please tell us if you want a tank so we know how many to order,
Thanks,
Jesse
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Well dang, Winston just emailed me and informed me that they've all sold. well anyway can y'all give me a list of who all wants tanks, that way next time a deal like this comes up we can jump on it
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Well dang, Winston just emailed me and informed me that they've all sold. well anyway can y'all give me a list of who all wants tanks, that way next time a deal like this comes up we can jump on it
That's a bummer man :( At that price, I was even starting to think about getting a tank! Oh, I was just kidding about secretly swapping scopes when you weren't looking, haha. I do love that fixed 10 power scope, and I've wanted a fixed 10x for a while. I really like the reticle on your SWFA. I think that may have to be my next purchase some time down the road....
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Well dang, Winston just emailed me and informed me that they've all sold. well anyway can y'all give me a list of who all wants tanks, that way next time a deal like this comes up we can jump on it
That's a bummer man :( At that price, I was even starting to think about getting a tank! Oh, I was just kidding about secretly swapping scopes when you weren't looking, haha. I do love that fixed 10 power scope, and I've wanted a fixed 10x for a while. I really like the reticle on your SWFA. I think that may have to be my next purchase some time down the road....
When you do call me, they have a program for demos
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Grizzly 64000 7" x 16" Lathe E-0182 110V LUX Vertical Milling Machine E-0181 Jesse These machines on ebay take a look Troy
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I found a few for $85 made in 2005. Some will have a hydro test already done but may need a new test soon.
http://tinyurl.com/zdj6yce (http://tinyurl.com/zdj6yce)
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I found a few for about $10 more made in 2005.
http://tinyurl.com/zdj6yce (http://tinyurl.com/zdj6yce)
Yes, I saw those. I was just a little hesitant because they looked like they had been banged around a bit more. I should have manned-up and bought 4 when I had my chance, but just wanted to be sure I could unload the extras.
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Cosmetics are not a big deal. Tanks are made by Luxfer and must meet military and fire protection act standards. Carbon Fiber tanks can really take a beating and not get damaged.
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Cosmetics are not a big deal. Tanks are made by Luxfer and must meet military and fire protection act standards. Carbon Fiber tanks can really take a beating and not get damaged.
I understand. But I wanted to make sure they would pass a hydro and I know how these tanks get tossed around when used heavily.
Found some more with a current hydro. 2005 build date with a 2014 hydro. Only 2 left: http://www.ebay.com/itm/122027597646?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122027597646?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Survivair-Luxfer-4500-PSI-Carbon-SCBA-Tank-45-min-Man-2005-Hydro-test-2012/122027596743?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131230161411%26meid%3Df5c7644ee84c4730b56984eb5dc772a4%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D122027597646 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Survivair-Luxfer-4500-PSI-Carbon-SCBA-Tank-45-min-Man-2005-Hydro-test-2012/122027596743?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131230161411%26meid%3Df5c7644ee84c4730b56984eb5dc772a4%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D122027597646)
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this is a tank deal $85 free shipping
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this is a tank deal $85 free shipping
That's the link I posted above.
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Sorry Norman, Im at work and didn't have the time to properly read all the posts before the boss got close enough to find out what I was up to.
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I was just pointing out they were the same so no one would think there were more available.
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I was just pointing out they were the same so no one would think there were more available.
It's great that we're able to help each other out in the "hunt" for equipment!
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Well, my Hatsan Bullboss arrived from Pyramid today and words cannot describe my disappointment in what I received. The rifle was double boxed, but the interior Hatsan box was not secured well with packing material and it was not taped shut so the rifle could easily move around in the box during shipment. Parts were scattered around inside the Hatsan box.
When I removed the rifle from the box the first thing I noticed was that it was filthy with oily residues all around the stock and an oxidation on the metal parts that would not rub off with your finger. After having read another reviewer's comments about the air tank I checked and sure enough the air tank was resting against the gun barrel. If I shook the gun the air tank would easily move around in the frame but come back to rest against the barrel. I took the air tank off of the gun, hoping that maybe it was just not seated properly, but that was not the case.
This one is going back to Pyramid tomorrow. Receiving something in this condition is just not acceptable, especially something costing close to $600.00
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Well, my Hatsan Bullboss arrived from Pyramid today and words cannot describe my disappointment in what I received. The rifle was double boxed, but the interior Hatsan box was not secured well with packing material and it was not taped shut so the rifle could easily move around in the box during shipment. Parts were scattered around inside the Hatsan box.
When I removed the rifle from the box the first thing I noticed was that it was filthy with oily residues all around the stock and an oxidation on the metal parts that would not rub off with your finger. After having read another reviewer's comments about the air tank I checked and sure enough the air tank was resting against the gun barrel. If I shook the gun the air tank would easily move around in the frame but come back to rest against the barrel. I took the air tank off of the gun, hoping that maybe it was just not seated properly, but that was not the case.
This one is going back to Pyramid tomorrow. Receiving something in this condition is just not acceptable, especially something costing close to $600.00
That is not good! I wonder if PA sent you one someone had returned or something? I agree, not at all acceptable. Well, at least PA will make it right, just not as quickly as you'd like I'm sure. I went through the return game with a marauder that wouldn't group any better than 2" at 20 yards... Both of my Hatsans showed up in good condition, and definitely no parts scattered around. I'm thinking somebody got lazy and threw a return back on the shelf. I've seen lots of positive reviews, but I also heard of the one you mentioned. I will say that my air tank is very close to touching the shroud, but not rattling around. Good luck on some resolution man.
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That is terrible Steve. Like Donny said, they will make it right but its the down time that is frustrating. I went through that twice with a same gun but with Airgun Depot.
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Steve, that is terrible, but on a bright side maybe by the time they get it back the .25 will be back in stock.
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Well guys, I got up this morning a bit more rested after my two day road trip and decided to at least give the Bullboss a chance before sending it back. I cleaned up the crud on the rifle, which came off with some elbow grease, and it does look nice now. The action is very smooth and works perfectly. Since the air tank was fully charged when I received the gun it was time to see what kind of power it had. The first couple of shots with JSB 15.89 pellets were in the high 900's and crossed into the 1000+ fps range after about 5 shots. I switched to the 21 gn cudas and was shooting in the low 900's with the peak couple of shots hitting the high 900's even with 21 gn pellets, so the gun has the power potential I am looking for. The scope will get mounted this weekend and I will clean the barrel and try for some groups. If the gun groups ok, it still might be a keeper... ;D
I have decided that the reason the air tank moves around in the frame is because the front barrel band is defective. I can use a rubber band (uggg) to hold the air tank in place but that is a short term fix, and if Pyramid Air can't send me a replacement band then the gun will probably go back for a replacement. All in All, I really like the gun so far, just the usual hassle of getting one that is in perfect condition.
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this is a tank deal $85 free shipping
Did anyone else get one the tanks? I ordered one and it was here waiting for me when I arrived home. An unexpected surprise is the it was manufactured in 2007 instead of 2005 as advertised. There is still a year before needing a new hydro test also.
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this is a tank deal $85 free shipping
Did anyone else get one the tanks? I ordered one and it was here waiting for me when I arrived home. An unexpected surprise is the it was manufactured in 2007 instead of 2005 as advertised. There is still a year before needing a new hydro test also.
I picked up 2 of the tanks from the same supplier, but they are both 2005 tanks with 2014 hydros. They look good, though.
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I must have gotten lucky then. I went to the paintball shop and had it filled. They only had 250 bar of pressure. But I topped it off with my nitrogen tank later.
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I must have gotten lucky then. I went to the paintball shop and had it filled. They only had 250 bar of pressure. But I topped it off with my nitrogen tank later.
Good job. I'll probably have to settle for 4000 psi tomorrow, since my closest fill is the G'ville dive shop. Maybe I can get up to Jessie's soon...
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The .22 Bullboss is now officially a keeper. I cleaned the barrel, mounted the scope, and shot this as my first official 25 shot string with the 21 gn Cudas:
(cleaned the barrel/no other adjustments; shooting only to chrony, not for groups yet)
857,928,917,861,865,857,869,933,890,895,887,886,894,903,896,1010,908,898,902,911,911,908,901,897,903
200-Bar down to about 120-Bar...could have pushed on out to 30 shots but it was starting to rain. I think the 1010 shot was because I had a JSB 15.9 mixed in with the 21 gn pellets. The rest of the string is reasonably good and pretty close to where I want the power level to be. I need to order some 18 gn pellets, I think the gun would be right on with those without much adjustment. I am impressed with the Bullboss power.
With scope the gun weighs 11.5 lbs, getting pretty close to what the BT65 Elite that I used to have weighed, and similar to the Hatsan 135 I had as well. I am getting a bit old to be lugging that much weight around in a full day in the field but the Hatsans are sweet shooters for sure, and the Bullboss is balanced very well. ( And if I don't eat my Cherios that day, the P12 is three pounds lighter... ;D)
Oh, and even at this power level the Bullboss is totally backyard friendly, maybe quieter than the P12 which is also backyard friendly.
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If we take out the odd high shots, it looks like it wants about a 1/2 turn more spring on the hammer pre-load. I say that since the last shots are still faster than the first ones. OR, you could start with a lower fill pressure, and it looks like it'll do 30 shots at that speed all day long. But yeah, it's shooting darn near 40fpe out of the box! Not bad at all :)
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The .22 Bullboss is now officially a keeper. I cleaned the barrel, mounted the scope, and shot this as my first official 25 shot string with the 21 gn Cudas:
(cleaned the barrel/no other adjustments; shooting only to chrony, not for groups yet)
857,928,917,861,865,857,869,933,890,895,887,886,894,903,896,1010,908,898,902,911,911,908,901,897,903
200-Bar down to about 120-Bar...could have pushed on out to 30 shots but it was starting to rain. I think the 1010 shot was because I had a JSB 15.9 mixed in with the 21 gn pellets. The rest of the string is reasonably good and pretty close to where I want the power level to be. I need to order some 18 gn pellets, I think the gun would be right on with those without much adjustment. I am impressed with the Bullboss power.
With scope the gun weighs 11.5 lbs, getting pretty close to what the BT65 Elite that I used to have weighed, and similar to the Hatsan 135 I had as well. I am getting a bit old to be lugging that much weight around in a full day in the field but the Hatsans are sweet shooters for sure, and the Bullboss is balanced very well. ( And if I don't eat my Cherios that day, the P12 is three pounds lighter... ;D)
Oh, and even at this power level the Bullboss is totally backyard friendly, maybe quieter than the P12 which is also backyard friendly.
I have 3 tens of 18.1 Jsb's for 15.40 a ten if you are interested.
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I'm trying to stock most common pellets so we can have a local source.
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this is a tank deal $85 free shipping
Did anyone else get one the tanks? I ordered one and it was here waiting for me when I arrived home. An unexpected surprise is the it was manufactured in 2007 instead of 2005 as advertised. There is still a year before needing a new hydro test also.
I picked up 2 of the tanks from the same supplier, but they are both 2005 tanks with 2014 hydros. They look good, though.
I picked up two as wellI came in about two days ago but honestly I haven't even open the packages yet, I'm still looking for a good source for the hoses but I've got all of the fittings pre-much taken care of so who all wants the fittings and we will work out getting those ordered
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Jesse I have a .22 cal barrel for the Condor...we might could work up a trade for some pellets... :D
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Steve didn't you also have some barracuda 25 cal pellets you wanted to trade for 22 cal? If so I have 18 gr pellets I will trade for them.
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I must have gotten lucky then. I went to the paintball shop and had it filled. They only had 250 bar of pressure. But I topped it off with my nitrogen tank later.
Well, I took the 2 SCBA tanks to the Dive Shop on McEver and had them both filled, supposedly to 4100 psi. They were very nice about it, only wanting to verify the latest Hydro and not demanding a Visual Inspection like Dive, Dive, Dive in Lawrenceville insisted on ("It's for our insurance, we have no say in it").
However, after cooling off, I put a deadhead fitting on my fill hose and both tanks only registered 3400 psi. I even swapped gauges and it read the same. Both tanks registered 4000 psi on their built-in gauges, so I guess those aren't even close to accurate. Disappointing, but I'm glad there are other fill options.
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If we take out the odd high shots, it looks like it wants about a 1/2 turn more spring on the hammer pre-load. I say that since the last shots are still faster than the first ones. OR, you could start with a lower fill pressure, and it looks like it'll do 30 shots at that speed all day long. But yeah, it's shooting darn near 40fpe out of the box! Not bad at all :)
I'm in agreement with Donny. Those oddball high velocity shots at the beginning of your string look kind of squirrely until you graph it out and realize the velocities are continuing to climb until shot 25. The hammer isn't able to consistently open the valve at the beginning of your string, meaning more hammer spring tension, or reducing your fill pressure. Looks like it could be a very nice performer!
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Hi Norman I do still a stash of .25 cal pellets I would love to trade. I will take an inventory and send to you
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Winston, thanks for taking the time to plot the shot count. It does help show me my next adjustments. Since I have the P12 shooting over 40 shots at about 28 ft lbs I want the Bullboss shooting about 40 ft lbs for the bigger critters.
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I must have gotten lucky then. I went to the paintball shop and had it filled. They only had 250 bar of pressure. But I topped it off with my nitrogen tank later.
Well, I took the 2 SCBA tanks to the Dive Shop on McEver and had them both filled, supposedly to 4100 psi. They were very nice about it, only wanting to verify the latest Hydro and not demanding a Visual Inspection like Dive, Dive, Dive in Lawrenceville insisted on ("It's for our insurance, we have no say in it").
However, after cooling off, I put a deadhead fitting on my fill hose and both tanks only registered 3400 psi. I even swapped gauges and it read the same. Both tanks registered 4000 psi on their built-in gauges, so I guess those aren't even close to accurate. Disappointing, but I'm glad there are other fill options.
That's about right for when they cool down. They lose about 500 psi of pressure. The faster they fill them the hotter they get and they lose more pressure when they cool. The paintball shop I use usually fill to 4500 psi. Sometimes when they are very busy they deplete the cascade tanks. The day I went they were just low on pressure.
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I figured this video is a little informative for you guys owning the Bullboss. https://youtu.be/iKcM_TvVe8M (https://youtu.be/iKcM_TvVe8M)
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I'm not sure this guy is a good source of information. On his video review, he didn't even know what the brass degasser was. Maybe his gun was faulty but i'm not sure it's a design flaw.
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He might be a goober, lol! I've had my gun apart countless times with no issues, and he obviously had not before he started the video. He did state later that there was metal that things screw into behind the plastic though. The proper thing would have been to find that out, before starting the video. It is a little misleading. Those screws are short for a reason I'd think, so I wonder if that is going to cause him issues somewhere down the line?
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Unfortunately I would not rush to judgement. The exact screws on my Bullboss are behaving the same way he describes and one of the front ones will just turn with a screwdriver and never tighten up. I noticed it right after I took it out of the box (the first think I always do with a new gun is check the tightness of the various screws that I see) but didn't think much about it at the time. I will have to look it over more closely and may have to try the longer screw approach, we'll see.
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Maybe the guy at Hatsan partied too much and didn't use this when assembling the Bullboss?
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o292/purpleGORILLA/wheeler_FAT_wrench_zps8egkrnrm.jpg)
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Ok so I have an update on the SCBA fill stations, I got us 10% off for the fittings and am still trying to track down a good suppler for the micro bore hose and gauges. I couldn't find a good source for the tanks so ebay may be the best option for them.
I have found a seller who will sell us multiple Luxfer 45 min 4500 psi CF tanks for $75/ea shipped. These are dated 2006, but they need a hydro ($12 @ Peach State). Good for another 5 years. The photos look like they are in decent condition. These should be the equivalent capacity of Joe B's Tiger Shark tanks.
I found a place that sells tanks for cheap. Check http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=113281.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=113281.0)
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does anyone by any chance know how far this is from nashville tn?
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It's in Streveport, LA http://scubaventures.com/ (http://scubaventures.com/)
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Unfortunately I would not rush to judgement. The exact screws on my Bullboss are behaving the same way he describes and one of the front ones will just turn with a screwdriver and never tighten up. I noticed it right after I took it out of the box (the first think I always do with a new gun is check the tightness of the various screws that I see) but didn't think much about it at the time. I will have to look it over more closely and may have to try the longer screw approach, we'll see.
My issue was more with the way he did the video, not so much that he was pointing out a potential problem. He just sounded a little whiny and sort of misrepresented the situation at first. It is fully possible somebody at Hatsan gorilla fisted the screwdriver when building some guns though. As I mentioned earlier, I was wondering about the length of the screws, and if the longer ones would cause any issues somewhere. I've also seen on a few Hatsans that the screws used were stripped, but not the holes they go into. Those particular screws do not require extreme tightness, so I wonder if they were designed to not be very tight, but someone at the factory thought they should be tighter and stripped them. That is definitely a problem that needs to be fixed though. I didn't mean for my response to take away from the fact that it could be an issue to look into if you have a Bullboss :)
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My bullboss and a friends had bent air tubes.
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My bullboss and a friends had bent air tubes.
That is unfortunate for sure :( It sounds like maybe Hatsan should slow down, and put a little more effort into the quality control department. The design is solid, but if the people putting them together don't get it right, then it just makes Hatsan look bad. Did they make the guns right for you and your friend?
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I have to say guys this thread has turned into almost everything but what it was originally about. David
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I have to say guys this thread has turned into almost everything but what it was originally about. David
"Mission creep". :P
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My bullboss and a friends had bent air tubes.
That is unfortunate for sure :( It sounds like maybe Hatsan should slow down, and put a little more effort into the quality control department. The design is solid, but if the people putting them together don't get it right, then it just makes Hatsan look bad. Did they make the guns right for you and your friend?
My friend sent his in to PA for replacement which they did no questions. I sent mine back to AGD for replacement but put more money with it and got a gladius that wouldn't cycle a magazine and I'd bet money it was refurbished, all the extra parts were dirty and looked used(degasser, and probe and such) so I returned that and spent more money and ended up with a BSA r10mk2- and I'm a happy camper. AGDs customer service or returns dpt. Is pyramid air, and they were great.
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I've never handled one, but those BSAs are very nice from what I hear.
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Matt,
I have heard nothing but good things about those BSA r10's, how is the accuracy?
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I'm planning another shoot/ BBQ for October what do y'all think about the first Sunday of the month?
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I'm in rain or shine... ;D
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The first Sunday may be a problem for me since it is my nieces 16th bday, and I've never missed one of their bdays yet. They live in Valdosta, but I have make sure they remember they have an uncle,haha. I would be free the second Sunday though, if that helps any... I definitely want to come shoot up there in the fall though. The weather will be awesome!
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I'm pretty flexible except the last weekend of October.
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I should be able to make it. Just hope the weather is nice. I am also looking forward to see the foliages up in GA. mountains.
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The first Sunday may be a problem for me since it is my nieces 16th bday, and I've never missed one of their bdays yet. They live in Valdosta, but I have make sure they remember they have an uncle,haha. I would be free the second Sunday though, if that helps any... I definitely want to come shoot up there in the fall though. The weather will be awesome!
Ok then lets change it to the second Sunday of October.
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That sounds great to me!! That is, of course, if it works for everyone else :) Funny thing is, I checked on that bday thing, and I'll be going the week before, BUT I will have to shoot photos at Petit Le Mans on the first weekend. So, it works out just the same for me... I'm in!
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hey Norman... i can make it if its still an open invite... i'll be driving back from the hickory show that is the 14 and 15 of october... so i may have new toys with me... By the way, is anyone going up to the show?
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Hello Gabe. This is a shoot to be held in north GA at Jesse's range. I'm sure it's an open invitation. Also, if you want to come out to Lithonia anytime before this shoot just let me know. I'm free most Sundays so pretty flexible.
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hey Norman... i can make it if its still an open invite... i'll be driving back from the hickory show that is the 14 and 15 of october... so i may have new toys with me... By the way, is anyone going up to the show?
It is an open invite and I will be going to the show. The shoot is probably going to be the 9th and I will start a new thread soon for it.
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I just posted the new thread about the October shoot.
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Norman I will bring all my remaining .25 cal pellets to Jesse's shoot in October and if still interested we can work up a trade for some JSB 18 gn pellets.
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Norman I will bring all my remaining .25 cal pellets to Jesse's shoot in October and if still interested we can work up a trade for some JSB 18 gn pellets.
Give me an idea of what type pellets and how many you have. I mainly shoot round head pellets since I'm not doing any hunting.
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Hi Norman I have one full tin of Benjamin 27.8 gn, one and one half tins of Baracuda 31 gn, about a hundred JSB 25 gn, about 50 Wicked Monster 33 gn Hollow Point slugs, 25 7-ring slugs, about 25 MK2, and about 20 31 gn Wicked Monster slugs. Not a big deal if these are not your cup of tea, I fully understand. I am looking into the possibility of converting my P12 to .25 cal so may have a need for them in the future.