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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on March 20, 2016, 11:58:36 PM
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Love the new stock on the Matadors, that little Leshiy sure is a great concept,
...and I really like Ed too, he's a funny bugger ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Links?
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Links?
This should get you started:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34408&start=40 (http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34408&start=40)
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Thanks rkr. Those are some funky designs, but cool. Those baffles though...
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If 'good' in your local dialect can be interpreted as 'ugly' in my local dialect... then yeah, I'd have to agree. ! Those are a couple of the UGLIEST airguns I have EVER seen! But taste is a personal thing. Whatever. Sort of a thug/sci-fi look in my eyes. No elegance to be seen anywhere. And this is coming from a guy who sees some elegance in the FX Impact...
As for the rectangular baffles, they actually make a fair bit of sense for an air dump/high power/big bore suppressor. The slight variations in the crenellated surface patterns should do some good work by way of setting up interference patterns in the sound bouncing around inside, destructive interference being one of the primary aims in noise damping. Witness sound lab or recording booth wall foam patterns. Deeper patterns might be better still, but machining or casting limitations may be at play with this baffle system.
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;D Definitely not aesthetically pleasing to the eye JMO ::) ::) ;D ;D
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WOW! Not a good WOW! The designs of these modern bullpups is getting funkier and funkier. LET ME REPHRASE.....NOT "DESIGNS" but SHALL I SAY, THE "LOOKS" OF THE BULLPUPS today. Crosman now EDGUN. But I also understand its the looks and designs the builder/egineer (ED) imagined. Its something THEY like.
UUUUUGH!
But im sure Ed has designed/engineered some internal bits in those AG's that could possibly advance airguns that much more further forward.
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The New Matador's stock looks great and the gun itself looks super solid.
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088968808_zpsalayl2bi.jpg)
I like the new field folding stock rifle,...this one too looks super solid
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088956444_zpsojdcytve.jpg)
the little folding stock single shot mini is a cool concept, I like when people think outside the box,.....to many copycats in this world already :):)
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8d6954f4bccc9b49ff648cf174f620abf6e824d5a028adbe1d096073e10624dc-V_zps8umvndcs.jpg)
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Ole Ed is a funny dude :) :) :)
https://youtu.be/uyVIuCl5tBk
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The BP with the squared up LDC and ambidextrous cocking mechanism up by the trigger looks pretty interesting. I can see how people will either love it or hate it.
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Is it JMO or do they looks potentially dangerous , id do more than shoot my eye out :-\
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Is it JMO or do they looks potentially dangerous ,
Hmmmm ? ....Really ? .....How ?
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After watching the video on the folding stocked pistol-ish one I still don't like the looks, but have to admire the simplicity of the guts and the functionality is nice. Flipping open the stock (air cylinder-regulator tube) to expose the breech is brilliant. Really nifty when folded for tucking into a backpack as well. And about 30fpe out of such a short .25" barrel is some nice tuning work, especially with such an apparently quiet report.
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That folding stock one with the orange AK-47 wood...looks like Edgun saw how well some American manufacturers have done creating airgun platforms on the AR design... so they figured - maybe we can do something here with a Kalashnikov-themed bullpup. Looks like an AK-.25
Does look ruggedly-built though, like its spiritual brother...
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I think they look pretty freakin cool! I've always been of the mindset that function is form in most cases though :)
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That folding stock one with the orange AK-47 wood...looks like Edgun saw how well some American manufacturers have done creating airgun platforms on the AR design... so they figured - maybe we can do something here with a Kalashnikov-themed bullpup. Looks like an AK-.25
Does look ruggedly-built though, like its spiritual brother...
Yeah, that's my favorite
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088956444_zpsojdcytve.jpg)
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Very Nice!
Love that compact Leshiy!!
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WOW! Not a good WOW! The designs of these modern bullpups is getting funkier and funkier. LET ME REPHRASE.....NOT "DESIGNS" but SHALL I SAY, THE "LOOKS" OF THE BULLPUPS today. Crosman now EDGUN. But I also understand its the looks and designs the builder/egineer (ED) imagined. Its something THEY like.
UUUUUGH!
But im sure Ed has designed/engineered some internal bits in those AG's that could possibly advance airguns that much more further forward.
YEP-ER ! those look pretty UGGLY ! UGLY ! bringing those out --- are like bringing the FAT GIRL out to the dance ...it just don't go over to well ... but there are those that just have 2 jump off the UGGLY ! cliff,,, and go there ... and then maybe regret it ... the morning after ...they bought it /brought it home ...
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The New Matador's stock looks great and the gun itself looks super solid.
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088968808_zpsalayl2bi.jpg)
I like the new field folding stock rifle,...this one too looks super solid
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088956444_zpsojdcytve.jpg)
the little folding stock single shot mini is a cool concept, I like when people think outside the box,.....to many copycats in this world already :):)
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8d6954f4bccc9b49ff648cf174f620abf6e824d5a028adbe1d096073e10624dc-V_zps8umvndcs.jpg)
DUDE - This looks like Timothy Leary meets air guns ! ... but ya know there maybe a use for um ! .... I know ...yaaah ! ...I got this 1
the next star trek movie that comes out ...they could arm the KLINGONS with these .... " Perfecto Mondo " ! they would compliment their current breen rifle ..
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Are you Kidding me ? .....you own one of the Ugliest guns made, that new 10 ton, made out of spare parts Hatsan bullpup that is proportionally all out of wack, ho boy.
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Yeah, that's my favorite
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088956444_zpsojdcytve.jpg)
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Manny,
Have you heard from Ed about your request for info on this rifle?
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Are you Kidding me ? .....you own one of the Ugliest guns made, that new 10 ton, made out of spare parts Hatsan bullpup that is proportionally all out of wack, ho boy.
oh really that MAD does not even have the side cocking lever up by the trigger ... heck I don't even see a multi shot mag on that one ... oh and NO multi power wheel ... like the Hatsan Gladius or FX impact have .... the MAD looks like it has been hacked together with a normal rifle gut's with the bolt right up against your face ! very poor design for a modern bullpup ! and fat girl uggly UGLY 2 ! the stock looks like it came off my grandfathers rocking chair .. I knew some body took it ! ...
every time you cock that MAD thing you got to leave the shooting position taking the gun off your shoulder .. mean-while that game you were shooting at is laughing it's tale end off running out of sight ... thinking- " if that fool had a multi shot Gladius I would be in trouble right now ! ... HA ! HA ! "
this Gladius has the adjustable cheek rest /power wheel / smooth side lever multi shot mag . .. and as far as weight goes if you can't lift this gun you DON'T belong in the woods to begin with .. it shoulders a lot lighter than my Mrod with blaster stock... or my career mk300 which is in the 7lbs range ....
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... game you were shooting at is laughing it's tale end off running out of sight ... thinking- " if that fool had a multi shot Gladius I would be in trouble right now ! ... HA ! HA ! "
Wait...... WHAT? You mean you miss? Why? Don't go taking the shot if it's beyond your ability. :P
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Yeah, that's my favorite
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088956444_zpsojdcytve.jpg)
Manny,
Have you heard from Ed about your request for info on this rifle?
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I think they are going to be in production soon, than more info will be out.
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Those Hatsan boys must have a serious inferiority complex, they always try so hard butting in other guns threads, LOL
Reality check,....It's a Hatsan !!!!
ever wandered why they sell them for next to nothing ? Quality at the end of the day it's not cheap, no running around that.
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I've got to admit, after watching a few of Ed's highly entertaining videos it's just about impossible not to like the guy. And his Leshiy... while I still find it inelegant, the darn thing is growing in me. Pretty soon I might even think it looks good, if I stare at it enough. Thing looks rock solid. And I love the short video where he debunks people's claims that a blown seal or not locking the breech closed will somehow present massive dangers. Hilarious! The thing has me wondering if it might be possible to do a scratch build along similar lines, because with suppressor laws in Canada there's no way that integrally suppressed version is ever coming here. An unsuppressed version would be cool... but I suspect that combined with our power limits for pistols there'd be no point marketing such a gun to Canadians. And it's probably going to be defined as a pistol if the RCMP lab ever bothers to look at a sample.
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Looks ? why is everybody talking about the looks. This gun is perfect for backpack hunting /hiking in the woods its light weight, more than enough power, accurate, and has a good shot count for such a small air reservoir. This is also a great survival kit. With a puppy bottle you can survive out in the wilderness so you can buy some time until they can find you or you find your way out. Function over looks this is not a bench rest gun this is a small game hunting gun/pesting when I'm looking down my scope I'm not thinking about how the gun looks like if its cute or not. If the gun is not accurate, heavy , and not efficient with shot count then we have a problem. If you like single shot/ multi shot/ side lever/ rear lever/ what ever floats your boat every body has a different taste.
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(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8d6954f4bccc9b49ff648cf174f620abf6e824d5a028adbe1d096073e10624dc-V_zps8umvndcs.jpg)
I WILL own the Leshiy someday... I LOVE the concept, and looks!! ;D
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Those Hatsan boys must have a serious inferiority complex, they always try so hard butting in other guns threads, LOL
Reality check,....It's a Hatsan !!!!
ever wandered why they sell them for next to nothing ? Quality at the end of the day it's not cheap, no running around that.
+1
I would like to have Leshiy, or new Matador R4.
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Mr.Flip said it perfectly. When looking through your scope and hitting your target it doesn't matter what the tool looks like. Function over form every time.
I like it! And I'm not a single shot fan.
I don't care what my bike looks like, when I ride it I never see it.
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Those Hatsan boys must have a serious inferiority complex, they always try so hard butting in other guns threads, LOL
Reality check,....It's a Hatsan !!!!
ever wandered why they sell them for next to nothing ? Quality at the end of the day it's not cheap, no running around that.
Honestly the lowest quality gun's at the cheaper prices are the Korean guns you love .... 2 funny ! and the Sumatra is on that list ... and that is coming from and engineering back ground ...when you just look at quality of material's / fit/ function ....Dan Mcvey xp airguns pneumatic engineer is of the same opinion when we have both had them apart , looked at them ,and tuned them .... now having sad that -they still are all fun to shoot ..but man the Korean quality control just bites !
it took 4 guns sent back to get a good career mk 300
it took sending back 2 Sumatras to get a good one
the 909 had to be re ported and re bareled to .308 cal to make it a shooter
sent the rainstorm back it failed ! for all that money ... then replaced with a .25 Mrod light tune blaster stock a lights out green mountain barrel gun that put the double priced rainstorm to shame .. it was loud and not accurate compared to the dirt cheap Mrod ... kinda said cause it looked really nice ...
Now for the " real " reality check... I.... don't think Bob -rsterne , Bwalton , tkerrigan ,toine ,Jim Chapman ... and many other's with machinist/engineering back grounds would mess with the Hatsan platform at all if they were not of decent quality ... the truth is they are hunting machines built tough very durable for a very good price .... some models are heavy ..then other's not so bad-- at44- 10 .25 cal wood stock is around 7lbs and shoots like a hammer/accurate with simple light tune .... $419.99 shipped right now at airgun depot ...
speaking of airgun depot THE AIR GUN DEAL OF THE CENTURY is on right now ... Badger .40 cal... chromoly air tube ,and barrel $599 ! YES !$599 SHIPPED !
I just bought one ... Jim Chapman has one shooting 880's fps 185 g bullet shooting with in 1 inch at 100 yards right out of the box ! A stone cold killer ,and here is Jim's video that proves it ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPlM97XLUwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPlM97XLUwg)
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Honestly, I think Hatsan PCP's are right up your alley Manny. They are beasts of hunting machines. Yeah, they're heavy and not nearly as attractive as their British sisters, but I can't understand why you have such repugnance towards them, and those who own them...
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And they keep on coming, ::) ::) They are soooo Boring,
man those Hatsan boys just can't get away from the lesser complex ;D ;D ;D ;D
Anyway back to EDguns, nobody here want to hear about Hatsans, you Hatsan boys can keep them all ;D ;D ;D
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It's getting entertaining in here ;D
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Yeah, that's my favorite
(http://i1332.photobucket.com/albums/w611/Hemn5/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1457088956444_zpsojdcytve.jpg)
Manny,
Have you heard from Ed about your request for info on this rifle?
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TAG has been down for a few days now and that is the best venue to hear from Ed,
Can't wait to see reports of this gun when it comes to the public.
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And they keep on coming, ::) ::) They are soooo Boring,
man those Hatsan boys just can't get away from the lesser complex ;D ;D ;D ;D
Anyway back to EDguns, nobody here want to hear about Hatsans, you Hatsan boys can keep them all ;D ;D ;D
I know I don't have a lesser complex ... I have the 36 inch barrel ranger .45 shooting right close to 800 fpe on air ... switch to helium and that # goes up quite a bit ... I see one of the matador guns for $1665 tag ... with the same $ I get the Gladius and the Badger .40 CAL + a custom ordered Richards micro fit tack driver laminate stock for the Badger .40...
and ya ! that is what I just did !... manny looks like I have the - " I want more " complex ! and every time I fill that badger up to 4300 psi and let a 185 g bullet rip I will feel just how much more I got ! HA !
I want more complex
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Ho well, guess I'll have to open an other thread to talk EDguns since Hatsan boys often feel the need to troll other guns threads to spread the gospel of hatsan :)
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Lets play nice or I be forced to lock this thread and wait on the admins decision to put it in the non productive gate.
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Lets play nice or I be forced to lock this thread and wait on the admins decision to put it in the non productive gate.
Thanks for coming in on this. Way to much tension...over nothing.
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This thread is going nowhere fast. Opinions are fine. Bashing is not. Keep it civil or it goes away.
Richard
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Opinions are fine gentlemen but bashing isn't, thread is about Edguns not Hatsan. KEEP IT CIVIL GUYS. David
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What is Edgun's reputation for reliability?
Have their past new models been relatively defect/bug free?
R
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What is Edgun's reputation for reliability?
Have their past new models been relatively defect/bug free?
R
There's a lot of info on Edguns on the T.A.G. forum,...it can be a bit rowdy over there but the technical knowledge is pretty extensive.
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Sweet new offerings from Ed. I love the idea of the little single shot. Looks, who cares. When anything performs very well, they look really good eventually. Some didn't like the style of the Suzuki Hayabusa when they were released. The performance of that bike won most over and now has a tremendous following.
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Normally a "wood and blued steel" kind of guy, but that Leshiy is a dead sexy little carbine IMO. 8)
Well done Ed! :D
Al
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There's some rumors that this new generation of EDguns might be designed for a bit more power,
also I hear of Unchocked barrels and that would be great for more ammo options with the cast bullets to be thrown in the mix.
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I'm drawn to the Lelya although I don't care for the multiple finger holes. The Lelya, the Nomadic Pirate gun (Makosh) and the Leshiy look very futuristic. I like the divergence from the usual offerings. Very, "Duck Dodgers in the 24th and 1/2 Century" look. ;D I would like tho see the Leshiy with a 13ci bottle and redesigned for a pump action repeater. Speaking of that, why aren't there any pump action repeaters? Should be simple enough to combine with the side lever mechanism.
Anyone heard who or when anyone will be carrying these little devils? (Not that it matters as Edguns are usually at or above the apogee of my budget)
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Talon Tunes carries Eguns,
Yeah, I agree it would be cool to see some pump actions on the market, I've seen videos of ED testing some new Semi-Full auto,....I see if I remember where they where and post a link.
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How about this Drawings of the repeater R4 with forward cocking lever ?
[img width= height= alt=Image]http://s27.postimg.org/57fsgak0j/Edgun_Comparison.jpg[/img]
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Nice find. Matador with forward cocking lever is sweet.
One of those for Christmas please.