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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => China/Asian AirGun Gate => Topic started by: smfyr241 on February 23, 2016, 02:58:09 PM
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So Im interested in buying a Flying Dragon but need info from those who own them... They look good and decent priced but how do they perform?? FPS/FPE? Varies by gun I know... Im sure this isn't the first request for info so if there is another thread on these if someone can point me in the right direction that would be helpful...thanks
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Yep, there are LOTS of threads about FD airguns. But, you have to be more specific, like which model. Mike tunes and sells springers, PCP's and Co2 airguns.
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You cant beat Mike for bang for your buck. I have one of his full tune XS46U's in .22, with one of the Rex brand scopes that he sells. I love the gun.
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Larry,
I can, with no hesitation whatsoever, recommend a FD rifle. I am most familiar with the springers that
they sell. The quality, fit, and finish are solid. You're not getting a Diana at that price point, but they're nothing
you should be embarrassed about either.
While you're at it, get the gun tuned. You will be REALLY pleased with the results. I bought the XS28M
last year, with the full tune, and you couldn't ask for anything better. It hits like a hammer, (25 FPE) and is
lights-out accurate at 50 yards. Everything I've read says that a 'magnum' springer is the most difficult rifle
there is to shoot accurately, but when I want to hit something, this is the gun I reach for.
Hope this is helpful...
Regards,
Butch
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Larry,
Like Dave said, which models are you looking at? I can give you numbers from my springers and one of my FD PCP's in .177 in it's current configuration.
I have a second FD PCP with a new 22 barrel but I bent the valve poppet trying to stake the brass end on trying to fix it's leaking. I couldn't get it true enough to seal over the weekend. I ordered a new one from Mike so I'm hoping it's waiting at home for me today. :-)
Taso
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From what I know from my understanding in matching similarities in power and function. The XS25 (Ruger Airhawk) compares to a Diana 34 (TO5 trigger). The B26 compares to a Weihrauch HW 95 (Beeman R9). The B26 did come out with two different compression tubes. The XS28 compares to a Diana RWS 350. Not sure if this is something that may help.
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Hey Larry, welcome to the GTA. I think the best thing you can do is call Mike and talk to him. He is a very nice guy and can answer any question you have to get into this hobby of shooting.
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Good advice, best to call before 11am? I think that was the best. And if you do call, tell him to get his rear back on GTA where he belongs.
LOL
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Thanks guys... All helpful.. I want a pcp but sounds like most FD guns are good
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I do have a TF99 from FD that I'm really happy with. There was an issue with the FD PCP's, and a warning, that I'm not sure has been resolved. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=96148.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=96148.0)
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Unfortunately, the issue with the FD PCP has NOT be resolved, at least not transparently. I keep asking about it because I want to be able to my guns safely, but there is no answer yet.
This is unfortunate because apparently a third-party investigation was completed, but not made available.
Also, the FD PCP safety checklist that was being developed has not yet been issued. I know that RSterne developed guidelines for thread dimensions on the airtube, but it's not clear that this is all of the information that should be part of a safety check.
I really think this should be resolved before the forum starts, without any caveats, recommending these guns. It would be different if the investigative work had not be accomplished, but in this case it apparently has, so the results would be best used if they could be provided to the community.
Mike
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PM sent to help explain several issues involved here. This is not the thread to discuss it but there are more appropriate places for it.
Thanks.
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Hope this is the right forum for this...
I'm wondering how a tuned XS28M compares to a stock Hatsan 135 Vortex, both in .25 caliber.
Has anyone here had experience with both?
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Mike had some great deals on B50 PCPs.....
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FD PCP
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Flying Dragon XS60C PCP
I have one Gen. 1, in .22 (Down not working, was leaking out overnight and had problem with Loosing air after the shot, had to DRY fire until it would reseal, so It is apart and that was when this deal all started so I've NOT looked at it since and have just been waiting for?)
"PM sent to help explain several issues involved", I'd like something like that maybe??
and two Gen. 1.5's, in .177 that are both still working and being used once in a while .
{I like these VERY much, I even gave Mike an extra $10 for "Lunch on me" when
I bought the 2nd one}
Am I risking to much doing this???
Isn't Mike contacting buyers?
What is the deal?
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Moddy,
My fully tuned XS-28M from Mike with the extra .25 barrel I got from him installed shoots Benjamin 27.8 grain domes at around 625 fps.
Taso
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Moddy,
My fully tuned XS-28M from Mike with the extra .25 barrel I got from him installed shoots Benjamin 27.8 grain domes at around 625 fps.
Taso
Thanks Taso! How would you rate the gun overall? I'm really struggling here with my decision....
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It's built well and all metal. I have not been spoiled by a german springer so I really can't compare them in fit and finish. It's long lol. I think the B26 is the perfect size but is maxed out with .177.
For .25 shooting at 900 fps it most likely needs to be a pcp as the springers have to be bigger and require more effort to cock.
I almost pulled the trigger on a .25 Marauder from Amazon when they had them for $399 last week. I was able to talk myself out of it... this time. ;-)
The Sumatra is supposed to be great in .25 but it's more money than the Marauder and much louder. I'm not sure if the Marauder can match the Sumatra's power though. Others with experience can chime in.
Taso
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It's built well and all metal. I have not been spoiled by a german springer so I really can't compare them in fit and finish. It's long lol. I think the B26 is the perfect size but is maxed out with .177.
If you had it to do all over again, would you buy another FD rifle, or would you save and pony up for something else?
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Honestly, I love the simplicity and robustness of a springer. They require less maintenance and can be brought to ready in 5 seconds. They do have their limits though. They are not as powerful as pcp's and they need more effort to shoot their most accurate.
I have been bitten by the pcp bug. Are they perfect? No. Sometimes they leak and there's more stuff to go wrong. I can't tell you how many times I have had my pcp rifles apart to tweak this and that to perfection or solve an air leak. Sometimes they frustrate you and you want to be done with them.
But, when they're working like you want them there is no better satisfaction. :-) I like tweaking and tuning. I think it's a big part of this hobby. Some people want a rifle that just works and requires no maintenance. I need to customize.
That is why I have both styles. So to answer your question, what would I have done differently at this point in time? I would have bought the B26 and the B51's all from Mike. I do like the Daisy 853 but I haven't shot it much. So we'll include that one too for now. Mind you the B51's are under construction lol.
Taso
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Thanks for all the info Taso! You've been very helpful.
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Mike is an awesome guy. Call him up. I have an Mrod and a Condor SS in .25 cal. I wanted a good reliable springer. Went thru three German guns then finally bought the XS25 in .22 cal after Mike assured me it would shoot lights out after full tune. DANG if he wasn't right. 754 FPS with .16 gn HN terminator. 3/8 inch at 10 yds, 3/4 inch at 20 yds, and about an inch at 25 yards. And, the reworked trigger is too good to be believed. Bottom line...you must spend the $100 for the full tune. Under Mikes guiding hand a Chinese mediocre gun goes to best in class, and outshines the Germans! Have fun shopping.
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Mike is an awesome guy. Call him up. I have an Mrod and a Condor SS in .25 cal. I wanted a good reliable springer. Went thru three German guns then finally bought the XS25 in .22 cal after Mike assured me it would shoot lights out after full tune. DANG if he wasn't right. 754 FPS with .16 gn HN terminator. 3/8 inch at 10 yds, 3/4 inch at 20 yds, and about an inch at 25 yards. And, the reworked trigger is too good to be believed. Bottom line...you must spend the $100 for the full tune. Under Mikes guiding hand a Chinese mediocre gun goes to best in class, and outshines the Germans! Have fun shopping.
I pulled the trigger on a tuned XS28 and a scope from Mike. It is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I can barely contain my excitement...heh!
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Moddy, I think you are going to really like that version. Please do us a favor and review your shooting experience with it. It's a magnum springer, the XS25 is a medium powered springer. I was considering purchasing XS28 but didn't. I'm very curious about what you think of the "big brother". Thanks.
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Moddy, I think you are going to really like that version. Please do us a favor and review your shooting experience with it. It's a magnum springer, the XS25 is a medium powered springer. I was considering purchasing XS28 but didn't. I'm very curious about what you think of the "big brother". Thanks.
I'll be more than happy than to share my experiences. I'm at work right now, and this waiting until I'm off to get home thing is driving me nuts :)
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I just placed an order for a XS28M in .22 with a full tune. Don't know when I'll be receiving it, but I am quite excited about it.
I already have experience shooting a Hatsan 125 Vortex. As long as the XS28M is not any harder than that, I think I can handle it! The idea of a long-range self-contained piston rifle intrigues me, although I do understand the shooter has to learn and practice a lot to realize the potential of the rifle.
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Sac target, agreed that springers take some getting used to. I've put many rounds through Mike's tuned XS25 and I'm finally confident of taking a head shot out to 20-25 yards off my knee. I can't put my finger on it, but there is something about the feel of that shot, muscles relaxed, gun secure but not clinched, knowing that it's going to lurch and return back to your aim point. If I miss the group I'll often notice that the scope is aiming at or close to the unintended POI after the shot. PCPs provide a shooting experience that is much less Zen-like.