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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Underdog on February 22, 2016, 05:55:49 PM
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I've spent the past week or so shooting 20-30 pellets nightly through my new HW95. Saturday I was trying to get it sighted in and felt some twinges, but Sunday me left elbow felt quite sore at the end of 36 pellets. I was puzzled at first, then it dawned on me. It's all the doggone cocking! The soreness went away in a couple of hours, but DANG!
Repetitive motion injury. Didn't expect that.
Gonna have to space it out a bit until I get used to it I expect...
Kinda hard to get 500 pellets through it if you can't shoot it every day.
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I've spent the past week or so shooting 20-30 pellets nightly through my new HW95. Saturday I was trying to get it sighted in and felt some twinges, but Sunday me left elbow felt quite sore at the end of 36 pellets. I was puzzled at first, then it dawned on me. It's all the doggone cocking! The soreness went away in a couple of hours, but DANG!
Repetitive motion injury. Didn't expect that.
Gonna have to space it out a bit until I get used to it I expect...
Kinda hard to get 500 pellets through it if you can't shoot it every day.
Maybe some soul will volunteer to go through the 500 pellets for you, the. You can just enjoy from that point forward. LOL
I just got my Hatsan 125TH today, and finished putting right around 100 pellets of various favors this afternoon. 50# of cocking force, but it didn't seem to bad. Maybe tomorrow will be a different story. :o
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Cock it with two hands. Start with one hand then reach around and grab it with the other.
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When I started back into springers, I also set myself back with some tennis elbow. Technique is everything.
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40 lbs for cocking a HW95 - that's some training to do right there !
I can easily shoot 100-150 pellets with my NP2 in 2 hours of shooting (what I do usually) - 30 lbs for cocking it (or less) is easy and I switch hands only because I don't want to end up like this guy !
(http://themavesite.com/TMS-Pictures/2009-10/GermanArmWrestlingChampion/GermanArmWrestlingChampion%20(2).jpg)
But I like a lot the HW95 !
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That guy needs a girlfriend ;)
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That guy needs a girlfriend ;)
HAHAHA,
I'm surprised you didn't work "cocking effort" into that... That would be distasteful though...
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The first weekend I got my Hatsan 95 I put over 300 pellets through it in less than 48 hours. My left bicep felt like it was hanging off the bone. My new rule is if I'm shooting <25 or so shots, one hand, >25 shots or so, two hands.
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I have no rules. :o LOL
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then you better have good insurance. :)
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Yes, the cocking effort effect is cumulative. I shot my HW97 some while recovering from shoulder surgery (rotator cuff rebuild), and it was probably 3 months before I was comfortable shooting it at all. Like most things, technique can be important, and I guess we all develop a style that works. I shoot mostly PCP rifles, so I don't shoot a springer enough to really get used to it. But after about 20 shots, I've had enough fun for a while.
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I found a break on the end of the barrel helped with cocking. Easier on the hand and better leverage plus I like the look of a muzzle break.
Links are some examples not sure if they all will fit a HW95.
http://www.straightshooters.com/ss-muzzlebrake.html (http://www.straightshooters.com/ss-muzzlebrake.html)
http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-ported-muzzlebrake-for-568-barrel-diameter.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-ported-muzzlebrake-for-568-barrel-diameter.html)
http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-crow-magnum-style-muzzlebrake.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-crow-magnum-style-muzzlebrake.html)
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I was tempted to add the generic Weihrauch brake from AoA, but left it off. I was already way over budget...
But yes they fit on this gun. http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Beeman%20Accessories.html (http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Beeman%20Accessories.html)
Although I just haven't found it to be that loud. The spring seems louder than the report. I may not opt for it after all. I'll probably save my money and buy a scope instead...Of course I may need both. I can't see a darn thing either.
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As above, technique is important. I'm a gal, so I've had to get a bit creative with our more powerful springers. For these guns, I sit on a bench, butt of the gun between my legs, butt of the gun braced solidly against the bench, then use both hands to cock the gun, pulling the barrel/underlever down with the weight of my body, rather than just my arms. I then assume whatever shooting position I'm using at the time.
When standing, I still use two hands to cock the gun, but brace the butt of the gun on my thigh. I don't last anywhere near as long using this method, but it is doable for me, at least.
Best of luck.
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Thanks for the input everyone. I'll be trying two hands next time I'm out. If the dang rain will ever let up!
Gonna have to clean out the wood shed and shoot out of there. But Imma hafta go replace the rotting fiberglass roofing first. Always something!
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If this is a new or new level of activity, it WILL take some time getting accustomed to the added motion and effort.
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To avoid fatigue when I'm shooting a lot, I swap arms for cocking -- 5 pellets with left arm, 5 pellets with right arm. You have to swap hands to do this, but it gives each arm a break.
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Well there's a good idea. Maybe I can get 60 shots in per session. ;D
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I have two springers. RWS 34 and Hatsan 135. After shooting the Hatsan for a few months I grabbed the 34 and darn near ripped the barrel off when I went to cock it! Yes, there's quite a difference between the two and you do get some muscle memory after shooting one most of the time ... 8)
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I guess being big and strong does have advantages ;D (until I have to buy clothes) Convert your springers to sub 12 ft/lb rifles, easier to cock and easier to shoot accurately.
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A lube/tune should decrease the cocking effort somewhat. Isn't the HW95 and R9 basically the same rifle? I tore my new R9 down after a half tin, cleaned and lubed it before installing a JM kit into her.
Granted, I don't sit and shoot a 100 pellets at a time but I can get in a comfortable 25 shots or so before my 74 year old mind and muscles tend to wander. Since I'm shooting from our patio, I'll have a cup of joe or a coke, rest a bit and then maybe go in the house, get another rifle and repeat the process.
These are the good old days. :D
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I guess being big and strong does have advantages ;D (until I have to buy clothes) Convert your springers to sub 12 ft/lb rifles, easier to cock and easier to shoot accurately.
So does being old, small, but still strong. I never had a problem, so far, no matter how many pellets I shoot a day. My elbow problems come from too darn much golf.
Oh, and I too sometimes have a problem with cloths, everything is oversized these days. :-\
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Have shot many a 200-400 pellet day over 35 years so guess am conditioned to the motions. Still shoot 200 or so pellets every outing these days whether springers, pumpers, Co2 and/or PCP. Also hand pump the PCPs.
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Boy that's a lot of pellets. I bet you have a large bill at the end of the month...
My arms would be falling off. Too much computer driving...
I bet yours are massive.
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north country gal had a good method using 2 hands while the butt is on your seat. the easiest way I think is a variation where you put the butt on the ground while standing 2 hands next to each other and just push down using your weight almost like pumping pcp
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Boy that's a lot of pellets. I bet you have a large bill at the end of the month...
My arms would be falling off. Too much computer driving...
I bet yours are massive.
Didn't say I shot every day year round! Generally a few days a week but more often when the weather permits. Pellet bill varies through the seasons. Always try to keep several thousand of each caliber on hand and buy $150 at a time from PA to save shipping and get every 4th tin free.
Am not particularly strong or well built (ht. 66" w/Scottish build, 63 y/o) and have had shoulder injuries from other 'hobbies/sporting activities'. Technique can trump brute strength. My favorite HWs need about 35-40 pounds of cocking force and the Dans/Bens generally get 4 to 6 pumps per shot. On the barrel cockers my technique is to complete the cocking stroke in one smooth motion by getting a firm grip at the muzzle end with the left hand, with the right hand on the grip holding the buttplate on my upper right thigh, concentrate on the task and ... GO FOR IT! No slap to break the barrel detent. No second thoughts. Use the 'both arms opposing with elbows forward' technique on the pumpers. Right hand (strongest) on the long end of the pump handle and left hand (getting a bit more leverage) on the hand guard just behind the rear sight.
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A few years ago, it was nothing for me to run a tin or two of pellets through a .25 walther talon mag (hatsan 125). These days, a tin of pellets through my xs28m will make my shoulder act up for a week, sometimes two if I do a lot of pull ups that week. I pretty much eliminate any overhead pulling excercises that week to mitigate a solid day of plinking with a magnum breakbarrel. It is crazy the difference a few years makes. I was probably 29 or 30 then, I am 35 now.
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After getting back to where I could comfortably shoot a bow with a 65 lb draw. I don't even notice cocking springers.
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north country gal had a good method using 2 hands while the butt is on your seat. the easiest way I think is a variation where you put the butt on the ground while standing 2 hands next to each other and just push down using your weight almost like pumping pcp
Good idea. I'm going to give that a try. Thanks.
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A few years ago, it was nothing for me to run a tin or two of pellets through a .25 walther talon mag (hatsan 125). These days, a tin of pellets through my xs28m will make my shoulder act up for a week, sometimes two if I do a lot of pull ups that week. I pretty much eliminate any overhead pulling excercises that week to mitigate a solid day of plinking with a magnum breakbarrel. It is crazy the difference a few years makes. I was probably 29 or 30 then, I am 35 now.
should not be seeing that much difference from 30-35 I got a little stronger in that range
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north country gal had a good method using 2 hands while the butt is on your seat. the easiest way I think is a variation where you put the butt on the ground while standing 2 hands next to each other and just push down using your weight almost like pumping pcp
Good idea. I'm going to give that a try. Thanks.
Joan make sure you keep your left foot if you are righthanded against the butt being gun likes to pop to the left as you push down the barrel
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A few years ago, it was nothing for me to run a tin or two of pellets through a .25 walther talon mag (hatsan 125). These days, a tin of pellets through my xs28m will make my shoulder act up for a week, sometimes two if I do a lot of pull ups that week. I pretty much eliminate any overhead pulling excercises that week to mitigate a solid day of plinking with a magnum breakbarrel. It is crazy the difference a few years makes. I was probably 29 or 30 then, I am 35 now.
should not be seeing that much difference from 30-35 I got a little stronger in that range
I have, too. I've set personal records in the bench and squat, with 2 bad knees. But also probably more injury prone
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A few years ago, it was nothing for me to run a tin or two of pellets through a .25 walther talon mag (hatsan 125). These days, a tin of pellets through my xs28m will make my shoulder act up for a week, sometimes two if I do a lot of pull ups that week. I pretty much eliminate any overhead pulling excercises that week to mitigate a solid day of plinking with a magnum breakbarrel. It is crazy the difference a few years makes. I was probably 29 or 30 then, I am 35 now.
should not be seeing that much difference from 30-35 I got a little stronger in that range
I have, too. I've set personal records in the bench and squat, with 2 bad knees. But also probably more injury prone
my knees hurt just thinking about squats lol. I knelt finishing a lot of concrete nailing off decks then carrying shingles up ladders. yes it is easier to get hurt in your 30's but I got smarter at killing my self on the job and did the same if not more work
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Its a beckoning to the Darkside!!!! David
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Its a beckoning to the Darkside!!!! David
[Claps hands to ears and closes eyes] LA LA LA LA! I can't HEAR you! LA LA LA LA! :o