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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Barnsnelbon on February 15, 2016, 02:27:16 PM
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So I'm just starting to get into airguns and want to upgrade to a new gun. IV been looking aroundand IV found a few guns that I like, the benjamin trail np not the np2, a rws 34, benjamin discovory . I like the idea of pcp they are supposed to be easier to shoot and more accurate but I comes with a price. I'm looking for something accurate to about 45-50 yards to use for plinking and small game hunting. I need something that is relativly quiet too so I dont wet of my neigboors id like to spend about 200-300 on everything. Trying to decide between the too any help is appreciated
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I would take the disco all day over the NP, had both still have the disco. It is a loud gun though and seeing how you live in maryland I doubt you will want to risk throwing a LDC on it (believe you guys have really strict gun laws like NY where a pellet gun is listed as a firearm). Also make sure the neighbors are cool with it cuase you guys problably have the cant shoot a firearm within 500' of houses as well.
The guy that runs our gun club airgun range owns alot of extremely expensive airguns and highly recommends the rws 34 also could go with a flying dragons fully tuned springer for less $ and have a great shooter.
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$200-300 you may as well forget PCP at that budget. If you up it a bit to a little over 500, you should look at the Walther LGU. If not, the LGV is right where you want to be.
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If I did get the disco I was going to get a moderator for it. IV been looking into sprinters i like them, I have one now, I'm ok with it but I just hate that it's so easy to Ben inaccurate with them. And I don't think my budget is to unreasonable for a pcp like the descovory I can get s used one or even new from Amazon for around 200 that leaves me money for a pump or tank, haven't decided what I want yet.
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Hi
You have some pretty good choices there
Another rifle I would look at is the Maximus it is a nice pcp rifle.
I would also check to see what flying dragon airguns has to offer.
Mike sells some nice springers.
I would recommend contacting some members in your area and see if they would let you try their airguns
Hope this helps
Dave
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Hey thanks for the advice IV been able to hold the trail and discovory at stores but haven't ben able to shoot them. Ill have to look around and see what I can shoot
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I own all three you mentioned.
My thoughts are:
Trail -NP (22 cal) is heavy, quiet and reasonably accurate and easy to shoot.
Diana 34P (177 cal) is also heavy, relatively quiet and accurate at the range I've had time to check.
I won it here in the December raffle.
It was tuned by Rocker1 and is the first tuned springer I've had experience with.
I like it a whole lot.
Waiting for warmer weather to try longer range accuracy.
Benji Discovery (22 cal) is light weight, very accurate, easy to pump up to 2k lb. and with the shortest tko, quiet enough for my neighborhood.
I don't like the added length with the tko, but compromised for the effect.
I find it hard to load with a scope, so I shoot open sights (Williams peep rear and original front sight moved to the tko).
I find a heavy rifle easier to shoot accurately, but wouldn't want to go too far in the woods with the extra weight at my age.
So, for what it's worth, I prefer PCP rifles but I wouldn't get rid of either "springer" that I own.
They all have their time and place.
Doesn't help you much, does it.
Make a choice and then make it work.
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Hey thanks for the advice IV been able to hold the trail and discovory at stores but haven't ben able to shoot them. Ill have to look around and see what I can shoot
Your welcome my friend
I am sure someone in your area can help out, the Airgun community is a friendly group.
Dave
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Haha that's my problem they're all good guns. As of now I am leaning more towards the discovery but that may change. If I can get a good deal on a used one with either a pump or tank I'd take it. I feel that if I did get a springer Im gonna want a pcp later on and the price difference isn't too far off airgundepot has the gun and put for 369 so it's not too hatefull a used one wound be ideal for me I would think
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Hi Alex
Do you have the time and/or are you willing to make the effort to learn how to shoot a springer? If the answer is yes, then $300 spent on a quality springer like the D34 or the HW95 is a good investment. Both have good iron sights out of the box, so you can add a scope, later, if budget is an issue.
If the answer is no (nothing wrong with that - everyone's situation is different), then a Disco is the better investment. Even though I am a diehard springer shooter, we do have a Disco and a couple of other PCPs. Every now and then, I do shoot the Disco, because it is one PCP I can fill with a pump. Yes, you will need a moderator and you'll likely want to do an upgrade on the trigger, but lots and lots of aftermarket accessories for the Disco, so no problem, there. Lots of these guns around, used and/or on sale, so shop around.
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Just saw a post in here the disco with pump from cabellas for $350.00 ish with a pump. soon as my tax refund comes in i'm getting that and the m-rod pistol.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=104505.msg989124#msg989124 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=104505.msg989124#msg989124)
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I do have the time to practice shooting with springers. IV been shooting a good bit with the one I have now. IV looked at the. Rws 34 and hw95 I like them both the hw if I remeber was a little lower fpe than I was looking for though. My though was that rws and discovery were about the same price so why not get the one that's easier to shoot. Idk I keep going back and forth I need to get ahold of them and see how I like it befor buying it
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If the HW 95 has too low of ft lbs, what are you looking to shoot with it?
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Squirels, rabbits and maybe raccons. I may be wrong was just going off of memory
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What caliber are you looking to get?
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.22
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Good choice. I have a RWS 34 in .22 and love it. It shoots about 15.5 fpe if that's good enough for you. Very accurate also. Had a scope on it but now am shooting open sight and wouldn't go back to a scope. My marauder on the other hand is a completely different animal and I love that gun too. It's not a discovery but the big brother of it so giving a comparison. It's awesome because its fully adjustable and is very quiet because its shrouded. Extremely accurate also. That being said idk if I could choose between them but for pure simplicity and a challenge I love my 34. But I'd say it's good to 35 yds accuracy wise. Farther than that I'd go with the discovery.
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When it comes about PCP vs Springer, the question should be the following: do I want to work my ^&* off to obtain a decent grouping everytime or do I want to have a easy gun to shoot ? Most airgun shooters have at least one springer in their case - best tool to learn how to shoot. The PCP is the easiest gun to shoot, very close to a rimfire carabine. Point and shoot is all you have to do and at 40-50 yards you can easily have 0.1-0.5" groups. BUT, the PCP are not cheap and you better buy a Rimfire gun instead of a PCP (IMO). A springer doesn't need anything else than a shooter while a PCP needs a scooba tank or something to fill it and a shooter. Here is a great site in which, based on your choice, it'lll show you how easy or how hard is to shoot an airgun : http://www.rateagun.com/. (http://www.rateagun.com/.) I have a Trail NP2 which is not one of the easiest to shoot but I love it more than my RAR (Ruger American Rimfire).
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Save 100 more bucks and get a Disco & Pump
Some people can shoot springers well consistently,
Everybody can shoot PCPs well consistently.
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That's what I was thinking pcp seems to be the way to go
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A tuned r9 will get around a stock hw80 fpe I hear. I'd rather learn to shoot a springer then keep up with the extra posibilities of a pcp failing. If it's not worth the effort to learn a light hold. Is it to fix a gun? Coarse just my opinion and just another way to think about it.. I think I may just have Fallin in love with the quality of my hw. Always cool to hear what people decide
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I think the RWS 34 or the Walther Terrus are your best options under $300. Right now you can get a nice synthetic Terrus from Pyramyd with a 4x40 AO Nikko Stirling for $250, and free shipping. You can't beat that.
It will take a lot of discipline and practice with a springer, but you can probably stretch either of these guns out to 50 yards on 1" spinners once you really get to know her, and maybe further.
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...do I want to work my ^&* off to obtain a decent grouping everytime ... ?
Must be doing something wrong or don't have quality springers. Certainly don't feel that I have to work hard to make hits with my springers.
The PCP is the easiest gun to shoot... Point and shoot is all you have to do and at 40-50 yards you can easily have 0.1-0.5" groups.
Don't think the 'average shooter' could consistently shoot groups that small, regardless of his airgun choice!!!!!!
A springer doesn't need anything else than a shooter while a PCP needs a scooba tank or something to fill it and a shooter.
Correct. Just need springer and pellets to shoot. No extra support equipment, powered compressor/hand pump or frequent trips to the dive/paintball shop.
I have a Trail NP2 which is not one of the easiest to shoot ...
Maybe this is the reason you have difficulty with barrel cockers?
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So I'm just starting to get into airguns and want to upgrade to a new gun. IV been looking aroundand IV found a few guns that I like, the benjamin trail np not the np2, a rws 34, benjamin discovory . I like the idea of pcp they are supposed to be easier to shoot and more accurate but I comes with a price. I'm looking for something accurate to about 45-50 yards to use for plinking and small game hunting. I need something that is relativly quiet too so I dont wet of my neigboors id like to spend about 200-300 on everything. Trying to decide between the too any help is appreciated
"200-300 on everything."
Hummm......even a hand pump to charge a PCP can cost $200 without the gun, scope, or mounts!
Just this week I got a call from my brother in west Virginia telling me that he ordered a .177 Benjamin Marauder with hand pump and necessary attachments on sale for about $750!
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My .25 Mrod and pump ran about 600 when on sale but the new Benji Max is 200 and a Benji pump is 150...
Me I have always preferred pumpers to springers... the price of a springer needs to be looked at as only part of the price also... just like a pcp...
The springer needs a springer rated scope... $$$... and often needs tuning by an experienced tuner...$$$ especially as you go up in fpe...
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Springers can certainly be used effectively without scopes or 'tunes'.
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You can run the Discovery on CO2 as well, in .22 gives more than enough power for pest control and also is quiter than HPA.
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That's what I was thinking pcp seems to be the way to go
$385 shipped from cabelas right now disco and pump and many squirrels have been taken at 40+yds with mine.
But again, check your regulations about the LDC. Cant hunt with them in NY
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PCP is sweet to shoot. If you plan on doing a lot of plinking your also going to do a lot of pumping. Just want you to understand what you in for. On the other hand the discovery will reach out and smack pellet tins at 100 yards. It's a trade off.
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You can run the Discovery on CO2 as well, in .22 gives more than enough power for pest control and also is quiter than HPA.
I always seem to forget about this and would like to try CO2 this summer. How much are the adapters to fill the Discovey? I don't use tanks and always see many different attachments, not knowing which a guy really needs?
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You know, it is funny how airguns have progressed, as well as air gunners. Maybe 5 years ago, it seemed a lot more common for guys to shoot springers, and a lot of guys were shooting them really well. Not just German girls, but mostly Gamo and misc. rebranded Chinese rifles.
If you think you can't expect a Chicom, Turkish, or Spanish break barrel to shoot as good as a Disco, think again. A box stock Disco is probably about a 2" rifle at 50 yards with typical ammo on the store shelf. And a whole lot of springers will match or beat that, in the hands of a capable marksman and with some practice. When you prsctice to the point the rifle becomes an extension of yourself, you will be surprized what you can do with it.
Add to that, tuning/tweaking a rifle and it's trigger, and you can put together something that will stack them all day long. Before I went all out trying to get more power from it, I stacked over 100 pellets into a single hole about 1.5" edge to edge from 30 yards with just a .22 cal X20S. This was after a good debur and lube, plus spring swap and break in, but those were very small investments. And I used the supplied scope! No, you are not gonna take it out of the box and do that, but time, practice, patience, and pellet testing can help you get there. And you don't have to spend a fortune to do it.
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There are reasons to buy a good airgun instead of a rimfire or centerfire rifle. I lived for many hears in Washington State, where there are shooting ranges all over. I competed for years there, traveling around among about 8 shooting ranges within an hours drive.
Then I moved to Hawaii. In Washington, I had a concealed weapons permit for over 40 hears, though I seldom carried. I could buy a rifle, or handgun, in about 5 minutes and walk out with it. Since I passed an FBI background check to get the carry permit, I was exempt from the background check for handguns.
Then I moved to the big island of Hawaii. You have to take your firearms in to the police and register them. And, now, someone is trying to poass a law that states, you must take your firearms in every 5 years and "reknew" your registered guns. Shooting ranges? None. Well, there is an indoor range in Hilo. Don't think I want to shoot my 45-70 there. Want to buy a rifle? You have to go through a 3 night firearm safety course, and then apply for a permit to buy a rifle. The permit is good for a year. Want a handgun? It's harder to get than a rifle. Carry permit? Fill out the application, and you WILL be turned down. You will never get a permit in Hawaii. The chief of police must approve it, and the DO NOT do that.
So, I said, the *(&^ with that. I shoot airguns on my acre, and I can enjoy myself doing that any day I want, and set it up in a few minutes. I have a super quiet CO2 rifle, and use that at night to kill rats. My neighbors know, and figure that's just fine to have less rats. Also, nobody hears me shoot at knight.
Haven't fired a smokeless powder gun since we moved here. But, I shot my airguns 4-5 days this last week. So, it kind of depends on your state, state laws, and how friendly/unfriendly your state is to firearms and airguns.
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A Disco barrel can be bumped off target if handled roughly. Lotta the PB/hunter guys that I show PCPs to wanna just grab 'em by the barrel and kinda yank 'em around and lean 'em against the wall or the seat of the truck with the muzzle on the floorboard, like they do their .22, .30-30 or 7mm Mag. The Disco barrel is not as beefy and firmly attached.
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A Disco barrel can be bumped off target if handled roughly. Lotta the PB/hunter guys that I show PCPs to wanna just grab 'em by the barrel and kinda yank 'em around and lean 'em against the wall or the seat of the truck with the muzzle on the floorboard, like they do their .30-30 or 7mm Mag. The Disco barrel is not as beefy and firmly attached.
I have two barrel bands on mine, that gun is hunted hard and hasnt had any issues with POI shift unless I tear the gun down. single barrel band, yeah not much support.
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You know, it is funny how airguns have progressed, as well as air gunners. Maybe 5 years ago, it seemed a lot more common for guys to shoot springers, and a lot of guys were shooting them really well. Not just German girls, but mostly Gamo and misc. rebranded Chinese rifles.
If you think you can't expect a Chicom, Turkish, or Spanish break barrel to shoot as good as a Disco, think again. A box stock Disco is probably about a 2" rifle at 50 yards with typical ammo on the store shelf. And a whole lot of springers will match or beat that, in the hands of a capable marksman and with some practice. When you prsctice to the point the rifle becomes an extension of yourself, you will be surprized what you can do with it.
Add to that, tuning/tweaking a rifle and it's trigger, and you can put together something that will stack them all day long. Before I went all out trying to get more power from it, I stacked over 100 pellets into a single hole about 1.5" edge to edge from 30 yards with just a .22 cal X20S. This was after a good debur and lube, plus spring swap and break in, but those were very small investments. And I used the supplied scope! No, you are not gonna take it out of the box and do that, but time, practice, patience, and pellet testing can help you get there. And you don't have to spend a fortune to do it.
I know what your saying. We kinda over do it on the accuracy thing with springers. If your out hunting, your shooting off hand, using sticks or bracing your hand on a tree and I doubt the results typical max range 30 yard hunt would come out any different whether you have a pcp or a springer. You sit out back and pop cans out to 50 yards you don't need a PCP to do that. You start shooting pellet tins out at 100 yards and your gonna need good shooting springer and a lot of patience or a little practice with and a good shooting PCP.
Shooting a PCP after shooting springers feels like cheating.
Best way I can try and put the difference into perspective.
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There are reasons to buy a good airgun instead of a rimfire or centerfire rifle. I lived for many hears in Washington State, where there are shooting ranges all over. I competed for years there, traveling around among about 8 shooting ranges within an hours drive.
Then I moved to Hawaii. In Washington, I had a concealed weapons permit for over 40 hears, though I seldom carried. I could buy a rifle, or handgun, in about 5 minutes and walk out with it. Since I passed an FBI background check to get the carry permit, I was exempt from the background check for handguns.
Then I moved to the big island of Hawaii. You have to take your firearms in to the police and register them. And, now, someone is trying to poass a law that states, you must take your firearms in every 5 years and "reknew" your registered guns. Shooting ranges? None. Well, there is an indoor range in Hilo. Don't think I want to shoot my 45-70 there. Want to buy a rifle? You have to go through a 3 night firearm safety course, and then apply for a permit to buy a rifle. The permit is good for a year. Want a handgun? It's harder to get than a rifle. Carry permit? Fill out the application, and you WILL be turned down. You will never get a permit in Hawaii. The chief of police must approve it, and the DO NOT do that.
So, I said, the *(&^ with that. I shoot airguns on my acre, and I can enjoy myself doing that any day I want, and set it up in a few minutes. I have a super quiet CO2 rifle, and use that at night to kill rats. My neighbors know, and figure that's just fine to have less rats. Also, nobody hears me shoot at knight.
Haven't fired a smokeless powder gun since we moved here. But, I shot my airguns 4-5 days this last week. So, it kind of depends on your state, state laws, and how friendly/unfriendly your state is to firearms and airguns.
That's why I wanna buy a nice air gun. I love shooting, any kind really, I got into archery cause it's quiet so I can shoot in my back yard and my neighbor doesn't mind at all they let me set up my target in there yard so I can shoot at longer range. And my other neighbor doesn't mind as long I'm being safe with it you know not shooting in there direction if they are outside, the common sence stuff. I love shooting my 10/22 but can't do that in my yard so I want to get into airguns IV been shooting my benjamin prowler and I'm a decient shoot with it I just want something better and more accurate. I want to be able to shoot squirrels at 50 or more yards if I have to. And from what I've read the disco sounds like a good deal
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If that's what you want to do yes I'd go with the disco then definitely.
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id get the disco ive killed more animals in the 2 months ive had it than animals i shot with my springers i the last 3 years. i took 2porky pines with it 2 shot 2 kills with in about 1 minute. i can easily get 1 inch groups at 50 yards with cphps. i have killed 15 squirrels with it so far. 1 rabbit and tons of pigeons sparrrows and starlings. also a couple crows.
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You know, it is funny how airguns have progressed, as well as air gunners. Maybe 5 years ago, it seemed a lot more common for guys to shoot springers, and a lot of guys were shooting them really well. Not just German girls, but mostly Gamo and misc. rebranded Chinese rifles.
If you think you can't expect a Chicom, Turkish, or Spanish break barrel to shoot as good as a Disco, think again. A box stock Disco is probably about a 2" rifle at 50 yards with typical ammo on the store shelf. And a whole lot of springers will match or beat that, in the hands of a capable marksman and with some practice. When you prsctice to the point the rifle becomes an extension of yourself, you will be surprized what you can do with it.
Add to that, tuning/tweaking a rifle and it's trigger, and you can put together something that will stack them all day long. Before I went all out trying to get more power from it, I stacked over 100 pellets into a single hole about 1.5" edge to edge from 30 yards with just a .22 cal X20S. This was after a good debur and lube, plus spring swap and break in, but those were very small investments. And I used the supplied scope! No, you are not gonna take it out of the box and do that, but time, practice, patience, and pellet testing can help you get there. And you don't have to spend a fortune to do it.
I know what your saying. We kinda over do it on the accuracy thing with springers. If your out hunting, your shooting off hand, using sticks or bracing your hand on a tree and I doubt the results typical max range 30 yard hunt would come out any different whether you have a pcp or a springer. You sit out back and pop cans out to 50 yards you don't need a PCP to do that. You start shooting pellet tins out at 100 yards and your gonna need good shooting springer and a lot of patience or a little practice with and a good shooting PCP.
Shooting a PCP after shooting springers feels like cheating.
Best way I can try and put the difference into perspective.
So kind of like the latest, greatest 460cc titanium driver vs an old persimmon with a steel shaft.
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So I found a used discovery scoped and comes with hand pump for 345, I think I'm gonna get it
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Check inside the tube for rust.
Also the pumps can go bad.
And some scopes ain't worth a plug nickel.
Might be a good deal if it's a nice scope and everything's in good shape. But it might just be a cheap take-off scope from an inexpensive package deal.
From what I understand, you'll be able to get a brand new Maximus and a new pump for about that same price. Without a scope of course. But it's easy to find a decent hundred to hundred and fofty dollar scope on CL for forty or fifty bucks, sometimes less.
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The tube of the gun or the pump?
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How about both.
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Haha alright
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Maybe this is the reason you have difficulty with barrel cockers?
I was referring to the fact that yes, the NP2 is not easy to shoot consistently for a n00b in air guns, but if you look after my results posted in the forum about how I am doing with it, you'll see that I don't have any problem to cut the balls of a mosquito with a pellet. :-) So, you are wrong assuming I have difficulty with barrel cockers.
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So I found a used discovery scoped and comes with hand pump for 345, I think I'm gonna get it
Here is a new Discovery with pump for 350.00. Might see if they will take less unless it's got a nice scope and in really good shape.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/benjamin-discovery-and-high-pressure-pump/2068791.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dbenjamin%252Bpump%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=benjamin+pump (http://www.cabelas.com/product/benjamin-discovery-and-high-pressure-pump/2068791.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dbenjamin%252Bpump%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=benjamin+pump)
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So I found a used discovery scoped and comes with hand pump for 345, I think I'm gonna get it
Here is a new Discovery with pump for 350.00. Might see if they will take less unless it's got a nice scope and in really good shape.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/benjamin-discovery-and-high-pressure-pump/2068791.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dbenjamin%252Bpump%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=benjamin+pump (http://www.cabelas.com/product/benjamin-discovery-and-high-pressure-pump/2068791.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dbenjamin%252Bpump%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=benjamin+pump)
its $385 after taxes and shipping for me , brother just ordered one. Thats with the shipping coupon code still think its worth going with the new one or offering less on the used one
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That's what I was thinking pcp seems to be the way to go
Crosman is coming out with a synthetic stock version of the discovery called the Maximus that costs less. Same gun but different stock. If you buy from Crosman.com on Tuesdays you can use the promo code "20OffTuesday".
Cabelas has the pump and Disco at a good price currently though.
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I have seen the Maximus but it doesn't come out for another two months doesn't it?
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Pyramyd Air show 05/16/2016 estimated date. They may not even have them then from what I have seen.
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Yeah I'm gonna try and talk the person down would 300 be fair? Or should I go lower?
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You can always try lower and go up from there
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It's about a $60 scope I told him I can get a brand new gun and pun for 350 so I made an offer of 275 I think that's a fair deal
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I'm happy with 300 if I can get it for that and still have the 50 is save from buying is instead of a new one and get a tko moderator for it I'll be happy
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I'm happy with 300 if I can get it for that and still have the 50 is save from buying is instead of a new one and get a tko moderator for it I'll be happy
If he'll take it I say go for it.
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I'm happy with 300 if I can get it for that and still have the 50 is save from buying is instead of a new one and get a tko moderator for it I'll be happy
Will repeat one more time, double check your hunting regs to see if the TKO is legal in your state. Could lead to some trouble if you guys list airguns as firearms like NY and a CO really decided to go for it. Probably not a real issue, probably legal for target but unless you are only on private land be careful. Dont to see you get in trouble and from what I here MD is just as bad as NY for gun laws.
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I just got my first pcp yesterday . The .22 discovery . And I love this gun . Got it for around $360 w/ pump . Great niche market for aftermarket parts , if you're into that sort of thing . Super quiet w/ tko break , unlike my springer . Also the disco has little felt recoil . I had to check the target to make sure it fired . The springer recoil is so strong , you can watch the reticle shake . The springer is definitely more challenging to shoot well , but greatly satisfying when you figure it out . Get one of each . You can't stop at just one . No one can... happy hunting !
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To me, the springer beats the pcp for casual target shooting thanks to it's unlimited cock and shoot ability. Unless you need a very quiet gun where you shoot, then something with an LDC would be optimum.
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I saw the Maximus also . The description says 24.25" barrel . Is this a different barrel than the disco ? If so the quarter inch would give a little more room for use w/ the tko muzzle break .
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I don't know. I may give the Maximus a shot if I can find a deal. But the 2260 is also on my radar, although modding it to any kind of bulk fill would probably be cost prohibitive in comparison.
I just don't understand why all pcp's and accessories have to be mail order. Maybe a Maximus/pump combo will be the first to break into the mainstream market.
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What size tko do you have on your discorvery? I wouldn't mind getting the Maximus but I dont want to wait 2 months to get one haha and last I check discos are pretty close in price if I member correct Amazon has the gun for 212
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pcp most definately. if you have the money...you wont go back
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The good about the PCP is that the first one is the more expensive one after that the support equipment( for me a pump) is already there...
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Yeah the initial cost is high but it one you have the stuff it's not bad I'm excited to get into pcps
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Quality spring piston airguns are so great and really help with follow thru and hold for your powder burner shooting. Your shooting will improve with your PB by shooting a springer. I am getting into these spring guns and am having a great time with them. I own 28 pcp air guns and have found myself grabbing a springer for plinking and pesting. Either or get what you really want, make a good investment that will satisfy your needs and wants. I personally feel that your first airgun should be a quality gun to keep you interested in air gunning. With a gun that gives you poor accuracy a person can get discouraged or purchase another lower end gun then another. When he could have just bought a quality gun to start with. Dang wish I would have taken my own advise!!!! lol Speaking from experience get a good gun to start with. There are many on the GTA classifieds, nice tuned springers and great pcp guns. People on this forum really help one another out. Take into consideration that with a pcp you will always have to fill her, with a pump you get good exercise and make your shots count. With a bottle you go thru a lot of ammo. With a spinger you get one gorilla arm. lol
Best of Luck Brother Man.
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Quality spring piston airguns are so great and really help with follow thru and hold for your powder burner shooting. Your shooting will improve with your PB by shooting a springer. I am getting into these spring guns and am having a great time with them. I own 28 pcp air guns and have found myself grabbing a springer for plinking and pesting. Either or get what you really want, make a good investment that will satisfy your needs and wants. I personally feel that your first airgun should be a quality gun to keep you interested in air gunning. With a gun that gives you poor accuracy a person can get discouraged or purchase another lower end gun then another. When he could have just bought a quality gun to start with. Dang wish I would have taken my own advise!!!! lol Speaking from experience get a good gun to start with. There are many on the GTA classifieds, nice tuned springers and great pcp guns. People on this forum really help one another out. Take into consideration that with a pcp you will always have to fill her, with a pump you get good exercise and make your shots count. With a bottle you go thru a lot of ammo. With a spinger you get one gorilla arm. lol
Best of Luck Brother Man.
What he said ! Don't go cheap with the first AG.
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My first airgun might've cost $10.(decades ago)
My last one cost $50, last year. The 1377 is a blast. Accurate and powerful for a pistol.
I'm going to splurge on a 2400kt next.
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Thinking back when I got into pcp, If I had bought a pcp that got 60+ shots or so on a fill I would have been much happier. That would get me through a afternoon of shooting without pumping in the field. I really disliked having to put the gun on the ground and pump it back up every 16-20 shots. I don't know what's out there at the moment but that was my only dislike to my Discovery. Once I got my shoebox and tank it really didn't matter.
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Exactly, for general shooting it is very annoying laying the gun down, hooking up a hose, and pumping it. For hunting its great, pump and go. You don't need more than two dozen shots out of your Discovery or Marauder. I suppose exception for those lucky guys that get to shoot dozens of ground squirrels. I shoot springers way more often because they are just fun.... and now that i think about it, I shoot my cheap dirty Daisy 880 the most out of all of them for backyard hosps and cans. They have potential for more than that as this last one stock hit 715 fps with 12 pumps.
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You are thinking the right way Alex. You will appreciate the light weight and pointability of the Disco for hunting as well as the higher FPE.