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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: bird blaster on February 14, 2016, 06:58:42 PM
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Sometimes I'm out whether it's working with my dad or grampa or at my friends house or camping deer hunting or fishing. sometimes I see a squirrel or pigeon or hosp starling or any small game animal and I don't have a airgun. So what do you guys think would be the best pistol for hunting small game at 20 yards and is easy to shoot and fit in a backpack.
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For me it was the 1377, I hunted with it being stock for 30+ years. Last year I had replace the seals and decided to upgrade it. I went with a 14.5 inch barrel, FTP and valve, steel breech, scope, camo grips, and TKO. It fits in to a back pack with no problem. I use mine when I am in a climbing tree stand while deer hunting. Killed a lot of squirrels that way. 20yds is no problem for this pistol. I have a 1322 set up the same way but without the FTP and valve, it is still stock. To me the 13xx are the best back packing pistol to have.
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From 1980 until about 3 years ago, I used a pair of .177 Diana 6M, recoilless barrel cocking springer pistols to do away with many small pest critters. Mostly HOSPs, mice, turtles, snakes and bugs. Oddly enough, have never shot a squirrel with an airgun! Lately use a pair of Crosman 1701Ps and a scoped/carbine 1720T to do the same stuff at slightly increased power levels and ranges. Got them all at good (used or refurbed) prices. The 1701s get 4.6fpe w/8.6gr and the 1720 gets 9fpe w/10.3s. Which is more power and velocity than my R7 gets! Get ~50 shots per charge on each of these before a hand pumped refill is needed.
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I would get a Crosman Custom Shop 2300KT Carbine.
Select the 10" match barrel.
Select the long steel breech. (easier to add a scope)
Select the black trigger shoe option. (helps the crude trigger)
That's it. Add a proper scope of your choice when you get it. Adding a muzzle brake is optional, of course. No pumping, no recoil. Super easy to shoot accurately with.
The reaons I recommend it is because 20 yards and air pistol energies means that you need pinpoint precision to get headshots. This is the most accurate pistol that has enough power to also hunt that you'll find for under $300. The only potential downside is CO2 and cold weather. But it's also small enough to fit in your jacket, so keeping it warm isn't too hard.
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I am not a good shot with most air pistols that have enough power to take down a squirrel. Many of them don't have enough power, either. I have a Hatsan 25 Super-Tact , that is basically their #25 Supercharger pistol with a removable stock. It has a true 800 fps with LEAD pellets in .177 & after some practice , can be shot pretty accurately. You will develop muscles cocking it, too !!
https://www.google.com/search?q=Hatsan+Super-Tact&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN_5791_nKAhXCLSYKHWC8B90QsAQILQ&biw=1024&bih=481&dpr=1.25 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Hatsan+Super-Tact&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN_5791_nKAhXCLSYKHWC8B90QsAQILQ&biw=1024&bih=481&dpr=1.25)
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Have the pistol version of that and it IS fun to shoot but the wrist of my cocking hand (left on barrel ext) gets sore after about 30 shots.
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Have the pistol version of that and it IS fun to shoot but the wrist of my cocking hand (left on barrel ext) gets sore after about 30 shots.
Having the stock on helps a lot, but you still have to bear down on it. Someone once suggested putting the muzzle up against a tree & pushing on it to cock , but I would hate to hurt that tree !
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Use the same technique as on my Diana 6Ms for almost 35 years, left on the barrel and right on the grip, elbows forward and push with both arms.
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Would that Hatsan 25 be the same as the Browning 800? When I used to bow hunt, squirrels would almost get right next to me and stare not knowing what I was. So I would imagine a guy wouldn't need a lot of power getting close to them. Hard to beat a 1377 or 1322 with a tko. But the Hatsan looks like a sweet shooter.
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For me it a mac1 worked 10in. barreled crosman mk1 can be shot with hpa or Co2 for 9.5fpe
has a sweet trigger, is deadly accurate, and gets tons and tons of shot with a 13ci 3000psi tank or around 40 high power shots on Co2:
Carbine form(it currently has a 4x scope mounted photo is with a 6-24) with BKL high mounts I can still use the opens sights as well:
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Pistol:
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And The scoped pistol, stock, 13ci bottle a tin of pellets and adapter all fit in a case that would fit in any medium sized backpack
(might be a little big for a hydration pack) I've yet to run out of air while shooting with this rig 8)
On low power I'm getting 70 consistent shots from a Co2 cartridge.
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I like my Hatsan supercharger pistol for hunting. Accurate and powerful.
Jeff
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For me it a mac1 worked 10in. barreled crosman mk1 can be shot with hpa or Co2 for 9.5fpe
has a sweet trigger, is deadly accurate, and gets tons and tons of shot with a 13ci 3000psi tank or around 40 high power shots on Co2:
Carbine form(it currently has a 4x scope mounted photo is with a 6-24) with BKL high mounts I can still use the opens sights as well:
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Pistol:
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And The scoped pistol, stock, 13ci bottle a tin of pellets and adapter all fit in a case that would fit in any medium sized backpack
(might be a little big for a hydration pack) I've yet to run out of air while shooting with this rig 8)
On low power I'm getting 70 consistent shots from a Co2 cartridge.
The LD is a wonderful thing. Love mine. They cost $500 for the gun only!
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Do you guys thinks a beeman p17 could kill a red squirrel with a headshot at 10-15 yards? If I do get something I don't want to spend a whole lot of money.
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The LD is a wonderful thing. Love mine. They cost $500 for the gun only!
Yea they aren't cheap though technically mine isn't a full LD,
But I got a great deal on it used and then made the stock myself.
Even so I would put a stock crosman mk1 in you considerations though that will run you around $100
Other wise I would think the 13xx series and 22xx(in warm weather) are you best bet.
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Hunting with airgun pistols can be a challenge and we all like challenges. A accurate pistol with enough fps and pellet selection can hold it's own within it's kill zone and shot placement. Took the whacked out Bandit with my MAG 800 pistol and other harvest with pistola's from my collection. Ed
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I have the Browning 800 .22 cal that would do the job with ease.
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Do you guys thinks a beeman p17 could kill a red squirrel with a headshot at 10-15 yards? If I do get something I don't want to spend a whole lot of money.
Doesn't take much actual fpe to kill a squirrel and a well placed brain shot from close range with almost anything mentioned here could work. I'd prefer just a bit more power than a P-17.
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My P-17 makes 2.3 fpe at the muzzle, so there is no way it is capable of killing squirrels at 20 yards. That's less than 1.9 fpe at 20 yards.
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Webley Alecto works great. 3 pumps gives around 600 fps with lighter lead pellets and will take small game with good shot placement. P17 is definitely accurate enough and I really like them but as noted power is marginal. Hatsan Super-tact is plenty powerful.
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Hunting with airgun pistols can be a challenge and we all like challenges. A accurate pistol with enough fps and pellet selection can hold it's own within it's kill zone and shot placement. Took the whacked out Bandit with my MAG 800 pistol and other harvest with pistola's from my collection. Ed
Ed that is simply amazing. Is your 800 a .177 or .22 cal?
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Do you guys thinks a beeman p17 could kill a red squirrel with a headshot at 10-15 yards? If I do get something I don't want to spend a whole lot of money.
I had one years ago - out of five attempts, only one kill, and that required a follow-up shot point-blank. Three bounced off of their skulls and they ran after flopping around for 5 seconds or so. One just immediately ran. This was at 5-10 yards. Just 1-2 ft-lbs too weak.
You want a 2240 with that match barrel - it will put out 7-8 ft-lbs quite easily and get the job done. It's also a blast ( and super-easy) to customize.
That match barrel is similar in quality to the one Tim puts on the LDs. The blanks cost around $100-$125 ( you can get roughly 2 out of a 24" one ) plus installation. Crosman's upcharge for it is *very* reasonable.
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Hunting with airgun pistols can be a challenge and we all like challenges. A accurate pistol with enough fps and pellet selection can hold it's own within it's kill zone and shot placement. Took the whacked out Bandit with my MAG 800 pistol and other harvest with pistola's from my collection. Ed
Ed that is simply amazing. Is your 800 a .177 or .22 cal?
My Mag 800 is .177 . Ed
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I think the new 1377's have more power than the old one's. My old rear cocker came with a double size check valve that ate up a lot of internal space.
The new 1377 definitely has enough power for squirrels and small birds at close range. Mine will shoot through both sides of a steel can at 10 yards and still embed the pellet in hard plywood. And it'll clear all the air in the valve with 12 pumps.
But I had to do some tuning on the sights, and a good amount of practice before I was consistently hitting my spot.
Basically, $50 for the gun, a couple of tins of 7.9 grain pellets, and you're in business.
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the reason i asked about a p17 because i have killed several chippys with my airsoft gun 380 fps at 10 yards and i killed a red squirrel at 5 yards with my daisy buck. im trying to make my 1377 more compact. i put some grips and a 3-9x32 scope that was still on from being a rifle. i got me a starling with it the other day like that with a destroyer pellet at 20 yards. i think a 2x pistol scope or a red dot would be better and make it more compact. any ideas of good red dots or pisstol scopes? thakns
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My LP8 .177 puts out 550/560 fps with H&N Terminator 7.25 gr. so that's 4.96fpe @ muz. 4.44 @ 10yds and 4.19 @15 yds. Probably enough for a good head shot on a squirrel I'm guessing. And it's very accurate.
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My LP8 .177 puts out 550/560 fps with H&N Terminator 7.25 gr. so that's 4.96fpe @ muz. 4.44 @ 10yds and 4.19 @15 yds. Probably enough for a good head shot on a squirrel I'm guessing. And it's very accurate.
The lp8 is waaaay out of my price range. I'm thinking about just modding my 1377 a little bit. That's defiantly enough for a squirrel head shot. I've killed chippys with 1 fpe before.
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Mod the sights and learn to shoot it without a scope. My front sight was too low, and the rear sight too high. The gun shot about an inch high at 10 yards.
I put the rear sight as low as it would go, then used a very small V file and filed it all the way down to the screw head. And I put a dab of paint on the screw head to aid my alignment.
Then I glued a small bead on top of the front sight, made from a piece of very thin gold chain that I cut and flattened. Thought about using about a 3/8" long piece of weedeater line, but liked the gold bead better.
I eventually knocked the gold bead off, but it's easy and free to replace. Might've been because my super glue had gotten old and very thick.
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I would go back to open sights but I've already have a steel breech on it so I can't have open sights without taking the breech off and I didn't buy the breech for nothing. Anyway the first thing I have to figure out is a good pellet. At 20 yards destroyers are nice but past that they are horrible. Any suggestions on pellets? Thanks
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I've only tried two. The CPHP and the CPUM. With the power of the stock 1377, I believe the lighter 7.9 grain pellets have better power than the heavy 10.5 grain Ultra Mag. Both were accurate enough for me, but in this case, the lighter pellet had better penetration.
Use whatever sighting system you like. I was just concerned with your dilemma of not being able to fit it in your backpack. And a decent pistol scope ain't cheap.
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Yah I noticed that the cheaper ones are like 60 bucks. The cphps are the worst I ever tried in it. Cpums are ok. I'll keep trying.
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I also found the Crosman vigilante. Watched a video and with there crony test they got around 4 fpe which is enough for a squirel head shot I think. I want to know if it is accurate enough. Thanks
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My FX Verminator shoots HnN Hollow Points at 480 on low. And at 25 yards it bounced off a squirrels head. Saw the squirrel in a tree with a round impression on the side of his head. I would get someting with a little more @@@.
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I would not use the P-17 for hunting , because of lowpower.
Yes , Hatsan 25 & Browning 800 are the same, but I think only the Hatsan has the desirable " Quattro " trigger. Many times, you can find a sale on the Hatsan, but rarely on the Browning. If you get the Super-Tact with removable stock, you can use it as a rifle or carry as a pistol & have the stock in a backpack , etc. My 25 Super_tact in .177 is rated at 800 fps using lead & The pellets I shoot come in at 790-795. It likes heavier lead pellets, too, but of course that means lower speed, but still packs a wallop.
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That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?
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That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?
Yep, that is for the pistol & stock . Pistol alone , is just under 4 lbs. Most all powerful spring/piston pistols I have seen are quite heavy. .177 in this one is a true 800fps. Some other brand names will claim 600 fps & you only get 450 - 500. I don't know, but there may be some that are as powerful, that are lighter. If this was a very light pistol, I would think the " TWANG " would destroy it before long ! LOL
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The hatsans are heavy and a bear to cock as well. 58lbs of cocking effort. I have the Model .25 spring piston in .22 and with the scope it weighs close to 5lbs.
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That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?
Yep, that is for the pistol & stock . Pistol alone , is just under 4 lbs. Most all powerful spring/piston pistols I have seen are quite heavy. .177 in this one is a true 800fps. Some other brand names will claim 600 fps & you only get 450 - 500. I don't know, but there may be some that are as powerful, that are lighter. If this was a very light pistol, I would think the " TWANG " would destroy it before long ! LOL
All the sites I have looked at list it at 700 fps.
And PA claims that the .22 version comes in at 450 fps. 150 fps slower than the listed 600 fps.
Still a cool looking setup though.
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I am wrong. Looked back over my notes after seeing that they WERE rated at 700 fps. Mine was chronied at 690-695fps. A Hatsan rifle was the one rated at 800 & I was getting 790-795 with it.
I am surprised at the lower than rated velocity of the .22. Hatsan does not exaggerate on the models I have seen & read about. If I bought a new .22 & the true fps were taht much lower,, I would send it back to Hatsan. I know someone who did that with one of their rifles & it came back close to rated fps.
Sorry, for my mistake !
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The hatsans are heavy and a bear to cock as well. 58lbs of cocking effort. I have the Model .25 spring piston in .22 and with the scope it weighs close to 5lbs.
58 POUNDS to cock it?!!
So I'd have to carry a two pound extension pipe to slip over the barrel for leverage, bringing the weight up to seven and a half pounds. And then I like a scope on a rifle/carbine, so a little over eight pounds.
That's not sounding like such a fun camping toy to me.
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The hatsans are heavy and a bear to cock as well. 58lbs of cocking effort. I have the Model .25 spring piston in .22 and with the scope it weighs close to 5lbs.
58 POUNDS to cock it?!!
So I'd have to carry a two pound extension pipe to slip over the barrel for leverage, bringing the weight up to seven and a half pounds. And then I like a scope on a rifle/carbine, so a little over eight pounds.
That's not sounding like such a fun camping toy to me.
YEP. It has a screw on extension that seems short, but really helps. A few times I tried to cock it without it & it was tough !
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That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?
Yep, that is for the pistol & stock . Pistol alone , is just under 4 lbs. Most all powerful spring/piston pistols I have seen are quite heavy. .177 in this one is a true 800fps. Some other brand names will claim 600 fps & you only get 450 - 500. I don't know, but there may be some that are as powerful, that are lighter. If this was a very light pistol, I would think the " TWANG " would destroy it before long ! LOL
All the sites I have looked at list it at 700 fps.
And PA claims that the .22 version comes in at 450 fps. 150 fps slower than the listed 600 fps.
Still a cool looking setup though.
My Browning 800 .22 shoots JSB 18.13 grains @450 FPS and RWS hobbies at 600
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That Super-tact is heavy. Five and a half pound pistol?
Yep, that is for the pistol & stock . Pistol alone , is just under 4 lbs. Most all powerful spring/piston pistols I have seen are quite heavy. .177 in this one is a true 800fps. Some other brand names will claim 600 fps & you only get 450 - 500. I don't know, but there may be some that are as powerful, that are lighter. If this was a very light pistol, I would think the " TWANG " would destroy it before long ! LOL
All the sites I have looked at list it at 700 fps.
And PA claims that the .22 version comes in at 450 fps. 150 fps slower than the listed 600 fps.
Still a cool looking setup though.
My Browning 800 .22 shoots JSB 18.13 grains @450 FPS and RWS hobbies at 600
I saw one of those Brownings in a pawn shop one time. If I'd have known they cost a hundred and fifty bucks Ida paid the $50 they were asking for it.
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The hatsans are heavy and a bear to cock as well. 58lbs of cocking effort. I have the Model .25 spring piston in .22 and with the scope it weighs close to 5lbs.
58 POUNDS to cock it?!!
So I'd have to carry a two pound extension pipe to slip over the barrel for leverage, bringing the weight up to seven and a half pounds. And then I like a scope on a rifle/carbine, so a little over eight pounds.
That's not sounding like such a fun camping toy to me.
It could use another 6 inches for the cocking extension. Another thing about, is the anti recoil system, you can't place your hand on it to steady it when shooting on a bag because the whole top half of the gun slides back. I'm not to crazy about the target grips either. You want a workout this gun give it to ya.
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evanix ar6 or fx ranchero
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Was shooting my hatsan today it's a bear to shoot all day .
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Hello
When hunting with a pistol, I m using my marauder pistol (22) and recently a SPA PP700 (177)
I using a pistol scope on both of them, it’s a really challenging way to hunt even at close range
The marauder is use on small to medium pest at range between 15m to 30m
It work really well, plenty of power; 14 ft.-lbs (18.50 joules) and about 20 shot per fill, what is more that enough on regular hunting session
The SPA PP700 is a 177, it's running at 10 ft.-lbs (13.50 joules) with 25 shot per fill,
I will be using it on starling, pigeon, crow magpies and rabbit at close range
Both are PCP pistol, light and powerful enough to do the job
I try many spring or co2 pistol before, never find one good enough straight out of the box , I m not a really good handyman when it’s come to customise gun
For me PCP pistol is the solution, with a good rest , trey are deadly accurate