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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => China/Asian AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Tims229 on February 13, 2016, 02:02:29 PM
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Ok, I have this old Chinese springer I've had for years. It is stamped made in China up by where the barrel breaks. On the top there is a stamped circle with an arrow going through the middle, Chinese text above the arrow and what appears to be "AIRW" below the arrow. There may be an O between the r and w,at least there looks to be room for another letter there. Any help with identification would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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It's probably an ARROW brand, an older B2? I have a B3 with that stamp on it. They most likely come from the same factory BAM or Industry Brand. Mine is about a 1984 vintage.
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Possibly a 75A-1. I have a Lion brand underlever that was the precursor to the B3/4. They were all made about the same time. If yours is a breaker, it's probably what the B1 grew out of.
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Pretty sure these guys are very close if not spot on... pics would help tho.
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Thanks guys! I'll research and let you know!
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After I took a picture of the stamp it does read ARROW.
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The breach seal appears to be leather?
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Yes, they're leather. you can get a B2 kit from PA. It has the breach seal, leather piston seal and main spring if you want to rebuild it. They'll probably fit.
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I believe a rebuild is in its future. New stock as well because there is some cracking on this one. I've never pulled a sprunger apart before. I understand there is quite a bit of pressure on the springs?
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Those guns are simple. You'll need a spring compressor or bar clamp because the retainer pin goes thru the trigger and you need control to get it out and back in. Stock will be hard to find. Post a full size pic. You might try super glue or wood putty in the cracks.
I think 75A-1 is an under lever kind of like a B3.
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Bad picture I know, I'll take one of the damaged areas when I get home. It's up where the break action is.
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I just did an older ARROW B3 stock, it was way too bad to stain so I did it in a dark walnut satin paint. I like the way it turned out, this older version of the b3 is about 3 inches shorter and it is very accurate for what it is, the stock configuration looks just like your breakbarrel. They are very easy to work on.
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That turned out real nice. I want to get mine shooting first, then I'll do the stock. Couldn't find kits for ARROW brand at P A. What brand are they sold under?
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Your under lever looks great. I think it's a 75A-1. Did you tear it down and rebuild it.
For the Arrow break barrel the B2 kit Is TF. Go to Pyamyd, click home, then accessories, then click cleaning and maintenance, then cleaning kits & tools. 15th item down. Tech Force spring gun cleaning and parts kit with seal etc. $9.55, part # PY-A-3453. You can probably make all that work.
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Thank you Tim, appreciate the help. I'll keep posting as work continues on her.
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Please do. I enjoy these old chinese guns. I just rebuilt a B3 for a friend. Also just bought 4 Qb89's and gave a couple of buds one each and we're all going to try to rebuild those. Trying to buy a QB6 from another GTA fellow. While out in Santa Fe with the wife this past week I found a used chinese clone RWS 320 and a Slavia 631. I think they're going to be keepers.
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Ok here's done pictures of the damage. Missing some wood up by the action and a crack down the bottom of the stock.
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Missing the bolt here also.
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Where the wood is broke of at the front bottom end is forward of the side stock screw holes you might be able to just cut the stock off behind or close to the break. The crack in the bottom to the trigger guard have the gun out of the stock, spread the crack open a little and squirt some super glue in the crack and hold together till it dries and refinish. Looks like the front sling mount is forward of the broke off part. If you cut it off remove the rear sling mount, wood putty and refinish or paint.
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Your under lever looks great. I think it's a 75A-1. Did you tear it down and rebuild it.
For the Arrow break barrel the B2 kit Is TF. Go to Pyamyd, click home, then accessories, then click cleaning and maintenance, then cleaning kits & tools. 15th item down. Tech Force spring gun cleaning and parts kit with seal etc. $9.55, part # PY-A-3453. You can probably make all that work.
I tore it down polished it up, cleaned all the grease out. It's quiet now, just the click when you pull the lever. This one also has the larger breech seal, I'll have to figure out where to get one of those at. It shoots nice, biggest complaint on these Chinese rifles for me is the weight, they're 7-8 lbs, and the harsh re-coil, they jump pretty good.
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If you want to replace the parts in the 75A-1 under lever the B3 kit from archie might work. $17. It has 2 breach seals that might work or find a faucet washer the same diameter. The main spring might work. But the piston seal is plastic and snaps over the end of the newer model pistons. A B2 leather piston seal might work. If to small soak it in some oil or silicone oil or lint seed oil to make it swell. Archie sales B3 leather piston seal separate if he's not out. He sold separate B3 breach seals but I think he's out. He sales the B3 and QB57 kit but not the B2 kit like PA. Click parts then B3 to see what he's got in stock.
If you are missing a stock screw on the break barrel you can take the other to Home Depot or Lowes and find another but it has to be the same length(not too long) or it will get in the way of the cocking linkage. If you're missing a bolt that hold the cocking linkage to the barrel, it was probably a rivet originally. A bolt, nut and lock washer might fix that.
Can't mention his real name in this blog but google chinese air gun parts and he'll be at the top of the page. I've bought lots of gun and parts from him with no problem. Later.
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Ok, got the kit, what do I soak in and how long do I soak these leather seals? Thanks
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The little breach seals for the break barrel don't need soaking. Put them in. It might take two. One to shim and one tostick ouy a little and seal rub a little oil on the outside. If it want go in easy I put a folded shop towel over the the sael and tap it in.
The leather piston seal if it's a little to small soak it over night in oil, silicone oil or lint sead oil and wipe it off good it. it should have swelled and fit a little tighter. The gun will blow oil for awhile.
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Thanks! Always shoot with a pellet in breach though as always correct? Meaning don't ever dry fire the gun even through the break in period of the new seals?
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Correct.. never dry fire a spring powered gun.
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My light kit for chrono will be here tomorrow so I'll be able to run some shots across it and see what kind of numbers I get. Pretty excited to see the results. This was my first rebuild on a springer, and quite a learning experience, but fairly easy rifle to work on.
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The break barrel or under lever? Did the B2 or B3 kit parts work or help?
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I'm the owner of the break barrel, and yes the parts worked and I'll see how much they helped today.
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So now I'm getting upper 300s fps with it. Before rebuild was closer to 200, I'd say that's an improvement.
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If you got a bunch of grease and tar in it clean it out and just a dab of molly on the spring ends and see what it'll do.
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My light kit for chrono will be here tomorrow so I'll be able to run some shots across it and see what kind of numbers I get. Pretty excited to see the results. This was my first rebuild on a springer, and quite a learning experience, but fairly easy rifle to work on.
I picked up this old B2. the plunger seal was stripped out and stuck in the chamber, someone probably quit shooting this years ago. Re-threaded the plunger and a new screw and it's firing pretty hard again, the seal was hardly worn so it happened early in the gun's life, probably just sat in a closet. Mine is .22, nice and quiet and probably doing about 450 FPS, goes through cans and tins easily. I like getting these cleaned, lubed, and polish the parts so the sound like a much more expensive gun, lots of fun ;D
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Nice looking rifle Centurion