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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Optics, Range estimation & related subjects => Topic started by: Jerry C on February 04, 2016, 05:09:51 PM
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Hey everyone, I just got the OK to get a brand spanking new TX200 MkIII (Walnut) .177 and I need some advice on a scope in the $230.00 range. I am thinking about the Leapers UTG 6-24x56 AO Accushot SWAT Rifle Scope but I don't know if this scope will even fit the gun, I want to be able to shoot targets from all ranges from 25yds all the way out to 100yds, thanks in advance... ;D
PS. Trying to get everything from Pyramyd Air as they have always treated me right.
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I just got an optisan Viper through Trenier outdoors, jeff is great and threw in 2 different sets of rings for FREE, and the glass is MUCH clearer than that of my Hawke vantagee, and possibly even clearer than my Nikon M223 on my ar15.
Just keep weight in mind, the higher the mag, the heavier it gets, especially in the 200$ range scopes. Also, high magnification, above about 16x depending on the brand, gets very milky and dim, and the eye relief on some scopes at those mags becomes almost unusable.
I'd stick to 16x or under in that price range, if you want 24x+ magnification, I'd reccomend doubling your budget at least to a hawke 30 or an Optisan or Falcon ect...
Also burris timberline 4.5-14x32 is a nice compact scope for the money, as well as the optisan mamba lite range which use the same glass as the higher end and heavier viper lineup.
Good luck with the gun, they're great guns.
P.s. post a pic for everyone to see
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Thanks Jeremy, for the quick reply, I know what you mean about the weight with the 6-24x56, it will be between 11 and 12 lbs but I would be willing to deal with it if it will fit the gun and do what I am wanting to do. Also you make a good point about the optics at that power. Maybe someone that has one will chime in and give me some insight.
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No problem Jerry, the thing is with optics, especially these days under the 6-800$ mark is, it's a &^^& shoot, if you take 10 of the same scopes, same brand and look through them, a few will be perfect, a few will be good and a couple will be terrible or defective, especially in the sub 400$ category. Certain manufacturer are better than others, in the 200-300$ range I'd reccomend burris, clearidge, optisan and Hawke, but hawke is a &^^& shoot just like utg/leapers lately. At least from the scopes I've purchased in the past year or so. Take a look at Vortex diamondback line as well and sightrons si sii lines.
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+1 on the Optisan. Well pleased with mine.
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Thanks guys, I think I am going to try the Leapers UTG 6-24x56 AO Accushot SWAT for now and if I don't like it or it gives me problems I will return it and save some more money and get something better.
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Thanks guys, I think I am going to try the Leapers UTG 6-24x56 AO Accushot SWAT for now and if I don't like it or it gives me problems I will return it and save some more money and get something better.
It should be ok, just check it on all mags and parallax settings before you mount it. It should be clear. Before you check the magnification and parallax, aim it at a white/tan ect wall and adjust the diopter to get the reticle focused. You only need to do this once (as long as the diopter ring doesn't get spun). That is what adjusts the scope for your eyesight, it's the ring on the back end of the scope. Once that's set, check mag and parallax at different distances. If all is well, mount it up.
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Check the length on that scope. From personal experience, I can tell you that if the scope sits out over the loading port, loading gets more difficult - downright annoying, in fact and all the more so if the scope has a large bell. I've found that a scope of 13" or less in length leaves the port open for easier pellet loading. Not a deal breaker, of course, but something to consider.
Congrats on your TX, by the way. Love mine.
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Hey Jeremy, I know exactly what you are talking about as I check all my scopes like this no mater the size and I also center the crosshairs with the mirror trick before I mount them.
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Hey Joanie, that is a concern of mine but I decided that I would try it out and see hopefully it wont be to bad to get use to, if it turns out to be to difficult I will put a 4-16x44 UGT Accushot that I have on my Hatsan 100x. Oh and don't worry I will post some pic's as soon as I can, Fedex shows it should be here Tuesday....
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Let us know how it works out, would love to see the final outcome when it's mounted. I want a tx200 very badly lol. Enjoy it! ;)
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Hi Jerry, what Jeremy says above is very valid, especially scope weight with cheaper scopes, the TX is a hefty gun anyway, i have shot 100m with .177 Pro-sport, .177 Patriot, and .25 Diana 48, i rarely used above 18 x magnification usually 12-14, for balance of image clarity, eye relief and fast focus, i have used these rifles with Leapers Accu-shot 3-12x44 at 12x with good results, also use a 3-30x50 ADE which is good at 14-18x, with wide FOV, also use a 5-18x40 Simmons scope again at about 12x, the Leapers and Simmons are maybe a better manufacture quality, but the ADE is feature and easy focus at high magnifications, i use all of them for field hunting and just occasionally target to check settings and holdover at long range, the newest scope is the ADE at about 3 years old, the oldest the leapers at about 10 years, they all work reliably and hold POI well, providing you take care to use decent mounts, they are all SF which makes distance work much easier, in NZ $ (about 1.5NZ-1US$ currently) the leapers and Simmons are about 180, and the ADE about 400, you may also want to note the range of vertical reticule adjustment, as more is desirable at distance if you don't want stupid hold overs!, if you intend hunting as well as target shooting, consider a smaller start magnification, as most hunting is closer and need wider FOV for quick game acquisition. hope this may help, regards & safe shooting.
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Generally, but not always, scopes don't get cranked up to 24X for air gun shooting. It becomes a bit hard to hold center at that magnification even when rested, there is a lot of dancing going on.
Also, if the range of a scope is very wide EG: 4- 24X or something like that, greater demands are put on design factors and somewhere a compromise has to be met. It is the same with camera lenses.
Centering a scope is nice to do. There are a few ways to do it, but unless you get a set of fully adjustable rings, centering can go away once the scope is mounted and the dials have to be twisted to compensate for barrel droop, off center rails or fixed mounts and scope height above the barrel. Centering puts you in the park, but what you are really looking for is home plate. The ability to be on target with only the slightest change of the dials so that vertical and horizontal run true if a minor adjustment has to be made. That is where fully adjustable rings do the job by keeping the scope as close to center as possible.
A search will yield you a lot of good information about the TX200. It is a fabulous rifle.
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Thanks guys, I ended up getting the Hawke Sport Optics 6-24x56 Sidewinder SR Pro and couldn't be happier.. ;)
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Thanks guys, I ended up getting the Hawke Sport Optics 6-24x56 Sidewinder SR Pro and couldn't be happier.. ;)
GREAT scope. In fact about to sell mine but she is a couple of years older with the SR12 reticle but the 6-24X56 is a nice sweat spot...
You can never go wrong with Hawke plus their customer service here in the US at least has been excellent so far.
-Dave
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Thanks guys, I ended up getting the Hawke Sport Optics 6-24x56 Sidewinder SR Pro and couldn't be happier.. ;)
I have the same scope on both my ProSport and Beeman HW97K. Great scope!
Good choice!
Ted
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I have the 3-12x44 Accushot Swat I.E. Scope
A side wheel attached on my TX200 MKIII (walnut stock)
Parallax adj. from10 yards to 50 plus yards.
Mill dots range estimating illuminated reticle with 36 colors.
This scope has performed excellent on my gun for the past year now.
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I have the 3-12x44 Accushot Swat I.E. Scope
A side wheel attached on my TX200 MKIII (walnut stock)
Parallax adj. from10 yards to 50 plus yards.
Mill dots range estimating illuminated reticle with 36 colors.
This scope has performed excellent on my gun for the past year now.
I've also got one, nice etched graticule. But with a bigger budget it's my understanding the SWFA line is worth a look too. And not to argue with Bob, but optically centering a scope only really tells you if the barrel is pointing too far off from zero. If it is, bend it, use a special mount, or risk that tweaking scope adjustment to the extream will float the erector tube or worse.
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I have the Optisan Cobra and it is the best scope I have ever owned. I have it on my RWS 36 and it is just amazing. The glass is super clear. My 36 has broken every other scope I have put on it. I have put over 1000 pellets through it since I got this Optisan scope and it has not moved a millimeter. I can shoot 1/4 inch patterns with it on my 36 at 30 yards no problems. The other day was I lobbing pellets at a target 150 yards away just for fun (testing out the mildots) and the scope was so clear I could see the tiny dust clouds made by the pellets hitting the dirt and make adjustments off of those until I hit the target.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vFnzri1eHZx1l9VuW0dykicut6vaQ8FZ0S3EgHubeZDwRJxACkIHjVr-h1ttpRGiHGAph4-2i0XtaUFn3wuk2p1ntYT0dykYu2__jxa3MNTH9tPJJXFU5X0WKEWJwUYX0rBpIOZ97SaIOcJq2xPVpZ-DQGIHJRdCirslva922pP7E50h27vRmfftK8rgpUW7j7h-WvVai2x0ZNu4gpbWNc7lCiW8yItjsQ65sBg_VwKvl5eF2XRUJbWMtScj5Ol2WhkNTrchYjQ41NdrwX21zqM6-WgYtJwPxAPfje7Xy7Ss5s8Zy4cUIAqCXhkpBSojVEkUfrQOTxyEEVSrAniMpcR3ww529486bi6LS5vqY_DgT8avfowQEe0zAC9ywb767pk-Fe43wgCqJbuMjOaUPGPoVWh6BCIJpkxFD9w0IAXEbT4EvRfmoJaNOlZsy9GCXgqwv0Vccv5iP9HTyvYE1mVn8gH2AKYnORzwS8Uucb3WWTQqyBKJJBmhUMD7Ce3Zi9jLyGDV1nhX1-qzK9kPAy-fn5F7euzIPk1U09v1toEMTxHh4W-2TjXKnXML93VKMXTOrQ=w1699-h955-no)
5 shot pattern at 30 yards (I pulled the low one).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/nOwKiI8Pl0qfUWsLv2b-_aaXe2NtapwawkJkKclNXkmOVCJ282rr4a3f9bA6tOFwcbrRtIb4lErbRI65k1ogLZJyaWzDjUU7PDCH2ZlZT2sj_cmYVIhDi-ogBBprxVuObTUPMhLsMrgmoHCQd9PkoH5bnsYXyYjvetPIVa6II4ZR7cl5BJphyyEIFuNPrr0cBfjNALcBcvg9xpSPv7kfxK9f62vE__dGAwlGWH05c6PVMC2cMiH1uNy3S6d0P5KF9trlpJ9_-DCkaQWzbSt_O3qt19G6Yt_yGXCBPQJl5Tp8JEgejHn_Bm3EufVg8quV7HJdhlLsUiVvPuaAM17C2-sAo07aQdpmS_bV_pbJK6L3IWPHgALBXrV_ngDFG0AlBicQ9c0odvbvbWREU9ey7-mvQsJG3Ej3uLYutJ_SLNuX9i2kQuJJNbJbwyGOoPayFJVsAN3GtfoWJPGnbtW2R79_Nvv3iIlDVQE4Jpjx3lxN5htgUlnFDKWkWOF4ew_cEIh26RCxvWKG8FsFxNFEYThkuWIResYkSQHZOfVKaH3icNH8URQVlO-1H4ha72Z4tivRtQ=s955-no)
Here is a video I made with while I was testing a camera mounting system. I was just using a cheap camera for the test so the video quality is not he best but it will give you a real view of what it looks like through the Optisan Cobra scope. Shots were at 20 yards on a paint can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyqmUzNrB-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyqmUzNrB-U)
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I have the UTG 6-24 with etched glass reticle. Love this scope. Love the reticle. But to be objective (no pun intended) it is almost unusable at 24X. Back it off to about 20X and it's acceptable. It's great from 6-16X'ish. I asked a question a long time ago about is a bargain 4-16X scope as good at 16X as a 6-24X set at 16X (my theory being no scope is clear at it's maximum magnification). I didn't get a real consensus.
The turrets are nice, I like the illumination of the reticle. The 100mm side wheel is a must have. It is a heavy beast though.