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So, someone put a bug in my ear that since I don't Hunt PCPs anylonger I should look into Hog hunting with Springers.
I was considering Hatsan, but I than decided to go for a Benjamin Nitro piston.
I had several Benjamin/Crosman Nitro Piston in the past and like them all
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Been shooting this gun for the past 2 days, man, my finger hurts from seating the pellets ;D ;D
I wanted to get a bunch of shooting done before I scope her, she's still smoking quite a bit but I'll scope her today and start some target shooting.
Eventually I'll hope she likes the Baracuda and that will be my Hunting pellet ( Wish Crosman made a .22 in the 20-22gr range, the .25 is such a good pellet they should really use that formula to make a heavier .22 and even expand on the heavy .25 in the 35gr range, a .30 and a .357,....they are missing out with the market developing as it is )
Anyway, going off track here ;D ;D
What do I think so far ?
The stock seems made with a good grade plastic,
feels solid and the ergonomics are really good also I like the stippling on the forearm, it gives me a repeatable hold.
The gun feels pretty light.
The shooting cycle is nice and sharp, a solid thunk, I like it a lot.
The barrel locking seems positive.
The trigger,.....The 1st stage is heavy and gritty however the second stage breaks nice and sharp.
.......I don't know if the 1st stage can be lighten ( I'll look into that ) but even if it don't I'll be happy with this trigger.
So Far so good, next is accuracy testing, first with the Crosman than with the Baracuda, once I find the right pellet I'll do Chrono and penetration testing.
Hopefully all pans out and I'll be able to take the gun Hog hunting soon.
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Gotta say I like mine!
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Have you been able to lighten that 1st stage ?
do you have some real world FPE on this gun ?
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So, someone put a bug in my ear that since I don't Hunt PCPs anylonger
Not to go off topic for long but, what made you get away from hunting with PCPS? Are you done with them all together?
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Have you been able to lighten that 1st stage ?
It came from Gene with the CDT Trigger installed.
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do you have some real world FPE on this gun ?
I was getting 820+ FPS with CPHP's. It like's the JSB 15+ grains better.
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Is it really 70% quieter than a regular springer?
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Is it really 70% quieter than a regular springer?
Given an untuned Springer will have a lot of twang right in your ear?
Yes. It's a very quite AG.
The Hatsan 125 with Nitro Piston was a bit louder in my ear also.
From standing aside say 20 feet away? The NP2 is a tad harder to hear then the 125 Nitro Piston setup.
That's just my take on things from hearing the Wife ask if I'm shooting or tells me she hears me.
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Is it really 70% quieter than a regular springer?
Right now ? ...I don't think so, will see once it's broken in
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Have you been able to lighten that 1st stage ?
It came from Gene with the CDT Trigger installed.
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do you have some real world FPE on this gun ?
I was getting 820+ FPS with CPHP's. It like's the JSB 15+ grains better.
Didn't know those gun took aftermarket triggers.
So you getting just over 21 FPE with the 14.3gr wander what the FPE will be with the 21gr Baracuda
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Try the 16 grain Penetrators from Crosman.
I never tried them until the other day in a Hatsan Mod 95 I tuned.
I was a bit impressed that at 20 yards they sunk a 1/2 inch into a seasoned Pine board and were pretty dead on at what I aimed at.
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My XL1100 likes JSB Heavies,benjamin hp and Polymags. Does not like JSB Exacts or CpHp both fit loose in the breach.
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Interesting choice Manny. I didn't think you'd go for a 22-ish fpe rifle.
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Manny, I have over 10,000 through mine with the Bushnell in my signature. Still going strong, clear, bright, side focus snaps in well and not too heavy.
I have not gotten one yet, (I installed a lighter trigger spring) but here is the trigger you need.
http://charliedatuna.com/NPSS%20non%20PP.htm (http://charliedatuna.com/NPSS%20non%20PP.htm)
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Interesting choice Manny. I didn't think you'd go for a 22-ish fpe rifle.
If she is accurate with the Baracuda 21gr and she can push them at 730 fps than I get 25 FPE,....the smaller .22 I think will be a better penetration pellet even with the los of 4-5 FPE compared to the .25
Chrono testing soon so I'll know for sure.
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Manny, I have over 10,000 through mine with the Bushnell in my signature. Still going strong, clear, bright, side focus snaps in well and not too heavy.
I have not gotten one yet, (I installed a lighter trigger spring) but here is the trigger you need.
http://charliedatuna.com/NPSS%20non%20PP.htm (http://charliedatuna.com/NPSS%20non%20PP.htm)
Thanks, maybe down the line,....so did you manage to lighten that 1st stage ?
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I have own/owned both NP and a NP2 and IMHO they really dropped the ball with the NP2 as compared to the NP since my NP2 was much harsher of a shot cycle and very inaccurate as well.
There was only 50 fps difference between the NP to the NP2 and the accuracy and shot cycle was lust horrible with the NP2 compared to my two NPs and the addition of one more plain plate ( washer ) behind the NPs gas ram increased the fps to the same as the NP2 without the added harshness of the shot cycle and still maintained the accuracy.
You could not give me a NP2 for whats is worth.
Mike
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Interesting choice Manny. I didn't think you'd go for a 22-ish fpe rifle.
If she is accurate with the Baracuda 21gr and she can push them at 730 fps than I get 25 FPE,....the smaller .22 I think will be a better penetration pellet even with the los of 4-5 FPE compared to the .25
Chrono testing soon so I'll know for sure.
I'm sure you'll wring her out properly before you put her to work. If it were anybody else, I'd be nay-saying! But taking into consideration your experience, you obviously know better than me. This is one of the most interesting topics I've seen in a while.
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I have own/owned both NP and a NP2 and IMHO they really dropped the ball with the NP2 as compared to the NP since my NP2 was much harsher of a shot cycle and very inaccurate as well.
There was only 50 fps difference between the NP to the NP2 and the accuracy and shot cycle was lust horrible with the NP2 compared to my two NPs and the addition of one more plain plate ( washer ) behind the NPs gas ram increased the fps to the same as the NP2 without the added harshness of the shot cycle and still maintained the accuracy.
You could not give me a NP2 for whats is worth.
Mike
I am sure experieces may vary. I got a Trail NP from someone on trade, and ended up buying my trade back to satisfy him. He was so burned over airgun that he gave up on them. I swapped the piston seal and did a little polishing and added some moly in the right places, after break in I was drilling spinners at over 70 yards with that same rifle. I traded it for a feinwerkbau 65 match pistol tbat I sold for something like $400, lol. So you never know, until you know. Especially with air rifles- sometimes you just gotta find out for yourself.
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I am sure experieces may vary. I got a Trail NP from someone on trade, and ended up buying my trade back to satisfy him. He was so burned over airgun that he gave up on them. I swapped the piston seal and did a little polishing and added some moly in the right places, after break in I was drilling spinners at over 70 yards with that same rifle. I traded it for a feinwerkbau 65 match pistol tbat I sold for something like $400, lol. So you never know, until you know. Especially with air rifles- sometimes you just gotta find out for yourself.
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Bryan
I will have to also say that I have three NPs with two Titan 22s and a venom 177 and love all three of them. About a year and a half ago I decided to buy a Trail NP2 since the NPs were so good IMO, but when I got the NP2 and shot it about 50 times it was just so much harsher and unrefined feeling compared to my NPs and I was not able to shoot the 3/4" groups at 35 yards my NPs would do with ease.
So I myself was very disappointed in it and realize that it may have been a bad one but with already having three great shooting guns and the NP2 being touted as heads and toes above the NP I was not willing to play the musical gun routine till I got a good one and with the addition of an extra plain plate behind the gas ram my NPs shoot just as fast as the NP2 did at 760 fps with 15.89s in the 22s and 850 fps with 10.34s in the 177.
So not saying they are not a good gun but just my experience with the one I had was not a good one.
I do love my two FWB 300's for all day one hole plinking out to 50 yards.
Mike
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Manny, I got an assortment box of springs from Tractor Supply, found one that is softer than stock, cut it to length and it is way lighter.
Mine, with JSB Exact Jumbo 18.1, does 735 fps, 21.5 fpe. Around 1/2" at forty yards, when the moon, sun and stars align, and I do my part. Now for the real world, I had two squirrels align their heads perfectly at forty yards and dropped them both with one shot!! Completely through both skulls.
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Thanks Brother,
Wish this thread had been left on the general airgun forum to get more traffic, ....Ho well :(
Just started my 1st battery of testing and accuracy, downloading pictures right now.
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Today I put an old Centerpoint 3-9 x 40 that I had lying around on the gun
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Than I started the zeroing in process and first check at groups, Baracuda match and Crosman premier where my pellets
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I didn't shoot much but I started to get some good preliminary grouping
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Crosman where OK, with the gun breaking in I think they'll be a goog hunting pellet option.
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But the Baracuda showed some real, real good promising accuracy
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Than I wanted to do some penetration testing at the distance I have my Blind for the planned hunt.
Dry Phonebook kept nice and tight with clamps
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Penetration was very similar,
This is the thickness of the pages once I started to see the skirts of the pellets
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And this is the thickness where pellets are still breaking paper
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You can tell the Harder lead of the Crosmans makes them retain more shape
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But the Baracudas are doing pretty good too
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So far so good, the gun isn't even broken in but I think she's a shooter ;D ;D
The penetration tells me that if I do my part I'm very confident I'll be good in my quest.
I'll be shooting the gun like crazy the next 2 days and if winds are good on Friday I'll take her hunting.
I like this gun :) :)
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Somewhere somebody with an HW90 is looking at this and crying
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Can't wait till you get that gun out hunting. My buddy in Texas says I've lost my mind wanting to hunt hogs with a .25 MRod. He's a PB'r
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the yardage you were testing at?
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If you can get some of the new Crosman Piranha pellets, mine does a little better with them than the CPHP.
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the yardage you were testing at?
17-18 yards, that the distance I made my Bowhunting blind from the feeder
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If you can get some of the new Crosman Piranha pellets, mine does a little better with them than the CPHP.
I think those Baracuda Match are winners :) :) ....I have a few tins left that I couldn't sell, and it all panned out in the end :)
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the yardage you were testing at?
17-18 yards, that the distance I made my Bowhunting blind from the feeder
Cool, thanks. Should be a good distance to pin point your shot.
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Manny
Those are some good groups with the barracudas for sure and it seems you got a good one so far and best of luck to you in your first hunt.
mike
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Manny it doesn't matter where you post you have a following sir. David
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Have you been able to lighten that 1st stage ?
do you have some real world FPE on this gun ?
I adjusted all the first stage out of the trigger on mine so I feel the "wall" when pulling the tigger back. The release is crisp at that point. YOur mileage may vary.
I ran JSB 15.89, H&N FTT, CPHP and CPUM pellets across the Chrony on Dec 14 & 26, 2015, and the JSP was at 19.02 FPE, but the rest were 20'ish FPE. I ran Chairgun Pro and found the FTT to have the best retained energy at distance/speed at 20 yards. That's what I've used for hunting squirrels.
I ran the NP2 across the Chrony last night, and I have a problem. The speed has gone down significantly since the last data capture. Cleaned the barrel and did the tissue test at the breach seal, and all appears normal. Without changing the o-ring I won't know for sure. The same thing happened on my Trail NP, and Crosman exchanged it for the NP2 because they were sold out of the Trail NP, and was only through Chrony data collection that I found out last time. The accuracy is still there, but losing FPS as well as retained energy at distance. (I'm not a very good shot, but the groups are pretty good for me.)
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I have the POI about 1/2" low at 12 yards (my basement range) based on the Chairgun data for the FTT. The JSP is also close to this mark, so you can see the accuracy is not lost, just the speed/energy.
Calling Crosman this week to see if I can get an o-ring to see if that's the problem.
EDIT: Here is a chart showing how much energy is lost due to speed loss.
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Thanks for doing this review. I've been considering getting another springer, because I like their power without all the fuss of a pcp, and wanted to go the plastic stock, gas piston route and .22 this time. Was wanting something more practical than shiny euro. And NP2, one of the Gamo's, or maybe a Webley was what I was thinking. Although the last gamo I shot wasn't all that accurate, I still haven't ruled them out due to the ergonomics and generally light weight.
I guess me and the neighbors will have to live with the not so quiet.
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the gun has quietened down considerably now compared to day one.
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Have you been able to lighten that 1st stage ?
do you have some real world FPE on this gun ?
I adjusted all the first stage out of the trigger on mine so I feel the "wall" when pulling the tigger back. The release is crisp at that point. YOur mileage may vary.
I ran JSB 15.89, H&N FTT, CPHP and CPUM pellets across the Chrony on Dec 14 & 26, 2015, and the JSP was at 19.02 FPE, but the rest were 20'ish FPE. I ran Chairgun Pro and found the FTT to have the best retained energy at distance/speed at 20 yards. That's what I've used for hunting squirrels.
I ran the NP2 across the Chrony last night, and I have a problem. The speed has gone down significantly since the last data capture. Cleaned the barrel and did the tissue test at the breach seal, and all appears normal. Without changing the o-ring I won't know for sure. The same thing happened on my Trail NP, and Crosman exchanged it for the NP2 because they were sold out of the Trail NP, and was only through Chrony data collection that I found out last time. The accuracy is still there, but losing FPS as well as retained energy at distance. (I'm not a very good shot, but the groups are pretty good for me.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/flyfishohio/Gun%20stuff/Pellet%20Rifles/image_16.jpeg)
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I have the POI about 1/2" low at 12 yards (my basement range) based on the Chairgun data for the FTT. The JSP is also close to this mark, so you can see the accuracy is not lost, just the speed/energy.
Calling Crosman this week to see if I can get an o-ring to see if that's the problem.
EDIT: Here is a chart showing how much energy is lost due to speed loss.
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how did you adjust the 1st stage ?
thanks
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There's a screw behind the trigger for this. If I remember correctly, you have to remove the stock to do this. I made all of my adjustments before Loctiting the stock screws, so it was a PIA to do it. I read about it somewhere here on GTA.
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Manny it doesn't matter where you post you have a following sir. David
Maybe,...but this thread would have been better if it stayed on the Air Gun gate
Here is kind of relegated to where people just go and check reviews, over there it would have reached a bigger audience.
.....Ho well.
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Manny it doesn't matter where you post you have a following sir. David
Maybe,...but this thread would have been better if it stayed on the Air Gun gate
Here is kind of relegated to where people just go and check reviews, over there it would have reached a bigger audience.
.....Ho well.
Not so! I seek out your posts because of the cult following you have. You are a Hawaiian god! LOL
Seriously, you tell a "dang" good story. That's what I enjoy about your posts!
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Manny - you do not need to remove the stock to adjust the trigger screw. There is a hole in the trigger guard.
Joe - It sounds like yours has a seal gone bad. Mine started at 815 fps. It dropped suddenly to 730 fps. It was the ram. The NPSS seal from Pyramyd is the same.
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Manny - you do not need to remove the stock to adjust the trigger screw. There is a hole in the trigger guard.
Joe - It sounds like yours has a seal gone bad. Mine started at 815 fps. It dropped suddenly to 730 fps. It was the ram. The NPSS seal from Pyramyd is the same.
Cool, so that screw behind the blade is the 1st stage adjustment ?
Not gonna mess with it until after the hunt.
Today I did the most important test of them all, leaving the gun cocked for hours than see if I could put that all important 1st shot right in the spot,....I did it 4 times and it was good all 4 times, she's a hunter :)
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You might try the washer mod on the trigger. I never had any luck finding a catch in my 2nd stage it would just fire with no feeling of a release point. With the washer mod and removing the spring I just set it with a short pull.
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Thanks Brother,
Wish this thread had been left on the general airgun forum to get more traffic, ....Ho well :(
Just started my 1st battery of testing and accuracy, downloading pictures right now.
LOL
It's a REVIEW and belongs in the Airgun Review Gate.
And 525 reads in 48 hours?
I think your thread is doing fine Manny.
Thanks for the review.
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Manny
If you want a smooth crisp second stage release for cheap you can do the RC bearing mod on the trigger. It removes the adjustment of the first stage length with the screw but uses a bearing riding on the sear so that it is not a gritty dragging feel in the second stage since the bearing is carrying the load from the sear.
Go to a Hobby shop that sells RC planes, cars and such and buy a 5mm ID x 8mm OD x 2.5mm width RC roller bearing ( about 4 bucks for a pair) and remove the trigger blade by popping the C clip off the pivot pin then with the blade out of the housing remove the wire spring and the pin it is held in the trigger slot with as those parts will not be reused. Then remove the first stage adjustment screw and plastic block it threads into and save with the previous removed pin and wire spring. Then locate the dual diameter pin that is also in a hole in the rear of the trigger blade and protrudes out the side of the housing to create part of the beartrap mechanism. The bearing goes in the slot in the trigger blade over the large 5mm diameter of the dual diameter pin so that it rides on the sear. just make sure you orient the p dual diameter pin so that the small diameter aligns with the cutout in the left side of the trigger housing ( right side if action is upside down in your lap) so that it lock the trigger from moving when cocking ( beartrap).
Then with the bearing inside slot of trigger and pin in place thru bearing in correct direction install the trigger blade back into the housing insuring that the sear fit up in the trigger slot to ride on the bearing, you will have to compress the sear and trigger some to reinstall the pivot pin and replace the c clip and stock and you are ready to shoot and should have a decently light first stage pull with a crisp and smooth second release.
Almost as good as a GRTIII two stage trigger at 1/10 the price.
Mike
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I may be wrong, but I don't believe the RC bearing mod can be done on this trigger group. The Trail NP had a different trigger group, and was able to accept the bearing mod.
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Now I know why that old scope had been sitting in a corner for years, I went to shoot today and POI was 2-3" high.
Only other scope I have is a 4 x 32 Bug Buster, it's now on and I'm resuming shooting.
For all those that chimed in about the trigger,
I'm not into making any big mods, all I want to do is take the grittiness out of the 1st stage, if I can't do that by simple screw adjustments I'll leave it as is,...I can deal with it :) :)
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*******CORRECTION*********
I was shooting all over the place with the 4 x 32 and I know that that one is a good scope, so I stated checking the gun and I found that the shroud was loose and causing clipping, tighten it down, got the 3-9 x 40 back on and immediately I was shooting bulls eyes :) :)
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I may be wrong, but I don't believe the RC bearing mod can be done on this trigger group. The Trail NP had a different trigger group, and was able to accept the bearing mod.
Joe
You are correct I forgot the NP2s do have a different trigger group so the bearing will not work and in actuality the NP2 trigger is much easier to improve by just replacing the coil spring under the trigger blade with a lighter one and adjusting to the desired first stage travel and with the lighter spring it will a much better feeling trigger IMO.
Thanks for the catch as my mind comes and goes as it pleases and obviously it was not present last night . LOL
Mike
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Called Crosman and they said to send the rifle back for repair or replacement. It arrived at Crosman today, so I. Should hear something by mid next week.
Started setting up my son's NP2, only to find it has baltrel droop to the tune of -7" down and 4" left. More than any scope has the ability to compensate for without base shimming. Grrrrrrrr...time to look at another manufacturer. This baloney is getting old, and. I'm not even tough on the guns, just having a string of bad luck with them.
Zero problems with my Hatsans. 1,200+ pellets through he 95 Vortex .25 cal, and just as strong and straight as day one.
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Joe
Sorry to hear your bad luck streak with crosmans and can understand your frustration with them. I had a Hatsan 200s in 25 that was still under warranty when the safety link broke on it and did not want to hassle with sending it back for repair as I could fix it myself but they would not send me the parts and I even offered to pay for them but they said it was a liability issue so even if the gun was out of warranty I would have been out of luck.
I think their PCPs are great but just lost faith in their springer's, I found it shared it parts with a Walther Talon/Falcon ( Hatsan made the Talon/Falcon for Walther) so I contacted Umarex and they gladly sold me the parts to fix it. Just an FYI for the future if you need any trigger parts don't ask Hatsan for parts.
You can bend that barrel straight if you so desired as I have bent a few with good success.. Just optically center the scope and clamp a piece of PCV pipe in a vise that will allow the first 6 inches of the barrel to slide into and bend in the correct direction and then shoot at target to see where it hits and repeat till you hit within an inch of the bulls and away you go.
Mike
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As for hogs headshots penetration is critical, I would do some 18 yards tests comparing accuracy and penetration for the Baracuda Match (5.5?) and Baracuda Power (5.50).
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Changing the trigger. It has been a long time so pardon my memory.
I have a Remington npss, thinking it is similar in design to the NP and NP2 (I think). I was looking for the article that showed me how to do the poor man tune it and did not find it. I will keep looking.
Basically I put a slightly lighter spring (optional) from the stock trigger spring and then added a longer adjustment screw. This reduced the pull weight slightly as I still wanted a hunting trigger. I only slightly cleaned up the bearing surface on the sear to get rid of the grittiness. The stock screw is too short to make the required adjustment (added one that was 3/16 to 1/4" longer) and then adjusted it. I removed the 1st stage giving me a much shorter pull and made the trigger more predictable (IMHO). Improved my accuracy as well. All the work was easy to do and the trigger is still very safe. Once the lighter spring (optional) is installed, the trigger can be adjusted with the gun together which makes it easy to tune to your liking.
*NOTE* The screw will need to be glued with red or blue lock tight because with the recoil the screw will not stay at the same setting. I found this to be true of the stock screw as well once I made any adjustments.
Edit: As a general note to whoever reads this. As with all trigger adjustments, it does not take much to go from a safe to a dangerous trigger. Most times just that extra 1/8 turn will turn a safe gun into one that is not.
Dave
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Between starting my own business and bow/crossbow hunting I have not been on the forums much since last fall. I come back and Manny's quit hunting with PCP's and now using A Crosman NP2. I know the NP2 can drop a hog with no problem in the right hands, But Manny with an NP2. I though you rather disliked break barrels and Crosman lol. I feel I really missed something and it's just getting to the good part. Definitely following this thread and the hunting thread.
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Glad to see you picking up the AG again Manny, will tune in for this!
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The NP and NP2 trigger are different is respect to the type spring they use for tension on the trigger blade since the NPs has a wire spring that is only coiled a couple turns and sits inside the trigger blade and the NP2 uses a normal coil spring between the blade and the sear so not sure if the NPSS is like a NP or NP2 but the longer adjustment screw would accomplish the same result on either trigger and yes it only takes a very small difference in the screw to go from safe to unsafe.
Loctite works good to secure the screw but so does some weedeater fuel tubing cut and slipped over the screw so it compresses the tubing against the head of the screw to hold it in position and you don't run the risk of the Loctite stripping the threads in the plastic screw block.
Mike
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Between starting my own business and bow/crossbow hunting I have not been on the forums much since last fall. I come back and Manny's quit hunting with PCP's and now using A Crosman NP2. I know the NP2 can drop a hog with no problem in the right hands, But Manny with an NP2. I though you rather disliked break barrels and Crosman lol. I feel I really missed something and it's just getting to the good part. Definitely following this thread and the hunting thread.
You see, that's the Great missconception.
Yes I had my big battles against the Rogue, yes I had my big battles against Crosman marketing procedures, yes I still don't like aspects of the Marauder ( and I tried hard having owned 5 of them )
But if you go back years now, I've always praised the Nitro pistons and Disco and recommended them extensively in the right circumstances, also I recommended Marauders in the right circumstances several times in the past.
Unfortunately things get bunched up and people lose sight of the big picture.
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Manny, I just put a UTG 4-16X44 on my Steel Eagle NP2. It's a big scope, but I really like it so far. I wait with bated breath for your first hog with yours. Go get you some!!
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Between starting my own business and bow/crossbow hunting I have not been on the forums much since last fall. I come back and Manny's quit hunting with PCP's and now using A Crosman NP2. I know the NP2 can drop a hog with no problem in the right hands, But Manny with an NP2. I though you rather disliked break barrels and Crosman lol. I feel I really missed something and it's just getting to the good part. Definitely following this thread and the hunting thread.
You see, that's the Great missconception.
Yes I had my big battles against the Rogue, yes I had my big battles against Crosman marketing procedures, yes I still don't like aspects of the Marauder ( and I tried hard having owned 5 of them )
But if you go back years now, I've always praised the Nitro pistons and Disco and recommended them extensively in the right circumstances, also I recommended Marauders in the right circumstances several times in the past.
Unfortunately things get bunched up and people lose sight of the big picture.
I was just joking around about you and Crosman. I know how much you loved the Bulldog too ;). My Trail NP is still one of my favorites. I just keep puting off getting a new Nitro Piston for it. It's been getting weaker every year,
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Thanks Mike (alias buldawg76) for the info about the tubing. I never thought of using that, I suppose a spring would work as well. The NPSS trigger also has the longer spring, didn't know that the NP was any different. I was thinking that for the most part it was all just different stocks with the same guts.
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Trigger actually smoothed out nicely, I'm fine with it and will leave it as is.
Gun is shooting great with the Baracuda match and if I do my part I can put a bunch of pellets in a pretty small rugged hole.
I've been having trouble with rings, I need to get that situation sorted out.
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Manny, I use Weaver Quad Lok rings. I know they are cheap, but they work. Never had a scope slip with over 10000 through my Trail NP2.
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I think I got it solved.
One set of rings just didn't clamp enough and the scope would move around, the other was a quick detach and the recoil would eventually lose the rear ring locking arm.
The ones I got on now are a little higher than I like but they seem solid, ...just got a rooster too :)
In the next couple days ( depending on the surf ) I will be doing Chronograph testing with a few different weigh pellets.
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Thanks Mike (alias buldawg76) for the info about the tubing. I never thought of using that, I suppose a spring would work as well. The NPSS trigger also has the longer spring, didn't know that the NP was any different. I was thinking that for the most part it was all just different stocks with the same guts.
Dave
I was not aware of the difference either till I got an NP2 about a year ago right after they came out and was not happy with it compared to my NPs as far as recoil and accuracy so returned it but did modify the trigger spring to a lighter one to see if it helped with accuracy and had no luck so just returned to stock and returned for a refund. Yes a spring would work also as long as it is loaded enough at the screws best setting to apply good tension to the screw. The guns are pretty much the same with some small changes to try and address customer issues, I think my NP2 was still to early in the development stages and they have been sorted out better now.
Mike
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Just to let you know, currently, the dampa mount DM 60 comes also with the stop pin.
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OK than, here some real world fps data on the NP2 .22
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/DSCF2008_zps3y2dnlzp.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/DSCF2008_zps3y2dnlzp.jpg.html)
I 1st tested 3 different pellets
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/DSCF2009_zps8zila0fq.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/DSCF2009_zps8zila0fq.jpg.html)
than since I was at it I got the FTT out too
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/DSCF2010_zpse1xedboo.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/DSCF2010_zpse1xedboo.jpg.html)
Here's the numbers :
Baracuda 21gr
651.7
653.1
646.1
652.4
652.1
644.9
644.2
648.1
652.8
647.0
Average 649 fps @ 19.6 FPE
Crosman 14.5gr
810.5
775.2
804.5
809.0
809.4
813.7
810.1
811.9
805.6
798.6
Average 804 fps @ 20.8 FPE
Skenco 25.4gr
563.4
567.6
562.1
562.0
562.3
565.3
561.1
569.0
562.7
570.1
Average 564 fps @ 17.9 FPE
FTT 14.66gr
808.1
810.6
804.6
807.8
809.3
809.1
811.4
807.0
795.5
808.6
Average 807 fps @ 21.2 FPE
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I know the FTT is usually an extremely accurate pellet, but the highest energy too? If it works out to be the most accurate for you, seems like a win-win!
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Manny
Those are some good numbers and should be plenty for some hogs with the CPs or FTTs at 20 plus fpe. Now which one does it like best is the million dollar question.
Mike
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Well, you know what they say about accuracy. Plus the added weight and density of the 'cudas, probably makes up for the 1-1.5 foot pound advantage in regards to penetration. You just can't beat a good old fasioned pendtration test. I'd still shoot the barracuda.
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Manny, do you have anything in between the 21gr & the 14gr range? Possibly the Baracudas are a bit too heavy & the FTT a bit too light. Something in the 18gr range perhaps for a happy medium? I know you prefer harder lead for penetration. Something like the H&N Sniper Magnum or Skenco UltraMags with that nasty point. Just a suggestion.
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I'm waiting for the penetration tests. Btw, I've learned a very clever approach regarding it - "This is the thickness of the pages once I started to see the skirts of the pellets". (quoted: Manny)
Once 'the' pellet has been chosen, I'll wait for the expert decision depending on the age/size of 'who' shows up. Front shot or side shot?
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Hey guys,
I too bought the np2 trail with the wood finish. I can honestly say my beeman silver kodiak may be more accurate and 150 dollars less. They are both in .22 cal but the Np2 is more powerful. However I just bought and returned a hatsan mod 125 .22 cal in camo and boy was it powerful but hard to cock. I am now considering an Umarex Octane .22 with a utg 4-16x40 scope and returning the hatsan due to it being defective as I have tried 3 different scopes and can not get the hatsan elevated low enough tobshoot without it hitting 7 inches too high. What do you guys think about the umarex octane in .22 cal? I'm looking to at least reach an effective accurate range of 75?yards. I am also worried that my scope vision may be obscured by the front fiber optic.
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May be a day late and a dollar short as they say -if the scope can't be adjusted low enough how about using a drooper mount reversed.
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May be a day late and a dollar short as they say -if the scope can't be adjusted low enough how about using a drooper mount reversed.
Or the Burris rings with the inserts????????
-Y
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The Resurrection! :)