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Because if I miss I'll have to find a reason other than the gun.
This is just a 30 yard sight in but it sure looks promising.
I call this my pumpkin chunker and it chunks them well.
3900 psi fill 470 grain bullet that I cast.
1st shot 694.6 Fps
2nd 642.6
3rd was a error
I need to play with fill pressure and bullets some more...time is short these days.
I have gotten over 520 Fpe on lower fills.
He makes more powerful .58's but this will no doubt do the job.
Reba loaned me a .58 that was a little less powerful for bullet testing last year.
I managed to test it on two deer and it worked flawlessly. ;)
Two shots no compensation...held on the red dot for both shots resting my arm on my shooting table.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/DSCN2941.jpg)
I messed that up a little with a third shot but not by much.....I'm still pleased.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/DSCN2944.jpg)
Did I pull it on the third shot?....maybe.
The concrete board that the target was pasted on shows just how close they were with some nice clean holes.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/DSCN2945.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/DSCN2948.jpg)
This is my .308 that was converted to .58 by Jack Haley.....I'm sure it was a pain to convert and I appreciate it Jack.
The .58 fits my hunting needs better than a .308 and after shooting one at LASSO I really wanted one.
I doubt that he would do it again.
This gun makes plenty of power for me and I'm 100% happy with it.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/DSCN2949.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/DSCN2952.jpg)
Here is a picture of it when it was a .308...4th one down.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/IMG_2407.jpg)
I'll have it at on display at the Arkansas airgun show if anyone wants to check it out.
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Geez Seth, Thanks so much for sharing those beauties, that .58 really is a monster and the .308 thumbhole is gorgeous. Your a lucky guy to have those AG's, thanks for sharing, Jeff
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Took awhile to accumulate those.
Several years actually.
From the top.
.458 Quackenbush 30 inch barrel with power adjuster.
Old style 50 cal. left hand action Quackenbush that I sold.
Another.50 cal.Quackenbush.
Haley .308 that is now my .58 Pumpkin chunker.
LeRoy super tuned 909s.
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Wow Seth, quite a collection. Well loved and well used.
That .58 is just down right scary!
Thanks for sharing it all with us.
Lloyd-ss
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Awsome, ..........and nice gun too
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Nice ones there! Congrats!
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"Pumpkin Chunker" lol 8)
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HeySeth, just curious but have you ever experimented with removing or turning down the center driving band(s) on your slug? I'm sure you have and just wonder what you've found. Jeff
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Man i have got to get one of these big boy guns, they are just bad @ss, monster holes----love it
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Yes that's how I came up with these.
I would much rather cast them than turn them.
There is a small gain in Fps that is more noticeable in low-medium power guns.
That's a good thing when your trying to squeak out ever bit of energy that you can.
240gr-270gr J.R. WFN's
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/Air%20gun%20bullets/IMG_1671.jpg)
Veral Smith of LBT cut the mold.
It was his first big bore airgun mold so we pounded out the design details through a long series of emails.
The specs on the gun were discussed,measured and remeasured on my end.
It was a fantastic collaboration since Veral and I had similar views on the bullet.
We left out the grease groove and replaced it with a shallow relief.
The top of the lands either don't touch at all or barely touch the relief area (varies just a hair from gun to gun).
It was designed for the 909 and the .458 Quackenbush so a .457 Haley will engrave a bit deeper into the relief.
The very wide nose is something that I requested but the profile is unmistakably LBT style which is why I went with him in the first place.
At first glance it looks to some like a wadcutter but the nose actually is different.
It's designed to push tissue out of the way and it out penetrates all my other bullets in the ballistic test tubes I use.
It leaves a nice entry hole with a large wound channel and exit hole.
This is a heavier WFN version at 360 and 425 grain.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/Air%20gun%20bullets/IMG_1971.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/Air%20gun%20bullets/IMG_1970.jpg)
Surprisingly it's a slow seller but the folks that use them really like them.
I don't think people understand that it's not swaged and that it does have a relief,it's very accurate,and penetrates well.
I think there are other "small" advantages to a two band bullet but I'll leave that for another time.
Regards Seth
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Thanks so much for sharing that, it really sets in place some thoughts i had on AG BB bullet design, it almost appears you've designed the perfect BB slug. J
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Hi Seth,
It looks like on the lighter bullet you have a single drive band at the base, and the longer bullet has 2 drive bands? Am I seeing that correctly?
Is the drive band dia the same as the groove dia, or a little larger?
Very nice.
Lloyd
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Hi Seth,
It looks like on the lighter bullet you have a single drive band at the base, and the longer bullet has 2 drive bands? Am I seeing that correctly?
Is the drive band dia the same as the groove dia, or a little larger?
Very nice.
Lloyd
The top band on Seth's JR WFN series (at least on the smaller 4 designs) is very hard to photograph it is so subtle. A couple different weights of JR WFN's are looking to be very accurate in my own 909.
The 50yard group below was shot using the smallest JR design. That design, and at least one of the middle weights proved to smack iron spinners incredibly hard out around 100+yards......lotsa fun!
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/BHDJRsapprox240grains002.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/WFN004.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/Oct9001.jpg)
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Butcher is correct the small J.R. WFN's have two bands as well.
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To all,
The Haley .58 is a Beast. Jack made me a great .58 Boomer Carbine, I shot it last weekend for the first time.
Reba sent me some 286 Grain Lead Balls & some 433 Grain HP Conical with my rifle. The .58 Caliber 433 Grain is
a huge projectile and a .45 Caliber Lead Ball will just about fit in the Hollow Point itself. The Rifle shoots great. I
wish I had a Chrony to measure FPS , FT- LBS. But I can say at 35 yards the 286 Grain Round Ball goes half
way into a pine 4"x4"( 2-2"x4"). The 433 Grain HP also does heavy damage to the 4"x4" post with full penetration.
Hunting@ 50 Yards or under should be no problem. Seth gives a great description / Information on the .58 Haley.
Jetman / Gary / Disabled US Army
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Glad you like your boomer gary ,reba told me my babies are done now its time to pay up lol.I stilll have that 2240 for you if you want that .45 done???
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Seth, Welocome to the Forum!
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Seth if you haven't already, consider looking into this "lightweight" design for your .58 customers should they request something really light.....I bet it's real tough for people shooting .58 caliber to find a "lightweight", lower recoil/flatter shooting .58slug for general shooting that isn't a roundball.
This design has a HUGE meplat for such a light-for-caliber slug.....how do you think it would fly?
http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=58-330B-D.png (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=58-330B-D.png)
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Seth if you haven't already, consider looking into this "lightweight" design for your .58 customers should they request something really light.....I bet it's real tough for people shooting .58 caliber to find a "lightweight", lower recoil/flatter shooting .58slug for general shooting that isn't a roundball.
This design has a HUGE meplat for such a light-for-caliber slug.....how do you think it would fly?
Butcher,
The 430 grain .58 calculates out to be about a 1 to 1 length to dia ratio. So were thinking like a hollow base or hollow point to drop the weight? Or maybe a necked down center section? Just curious.
And yes, the .58 certainly punches a darn BIG hole!
Thanks,
Lloyd
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Seth if you haven't already, consider looking into this "lightweight" design for your .58 customers should they request something really light.....I bet it's real tough for people shooting .58 caliber to find a "lightweight", lower recoil/flatter shooting .58slug for general shooting that isn't a roundball.
This design has a HUGE meplat for such a light-for-caliber slug.....how do you think it would fly?
Butcher,
The 430 grain .58 calculates out to be about a 1 to 1 length to dia ratio. So were thinking like a hollow base or hollow point to drop the weight? Or maybe a necked down center section? Just curious.
And yes, the .58 certainly punches a darn BIG hole!
Thanks,
Lloyd
Not sure what the question is, or who it's for.
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Butcher,
Sorry. The question was mainly for you, but I realize your question was for Seth, so it's really just an open question to anyone.
So let me try asking it a different way. I think its the math nerd in me. ;D Big bullets get heavy real fast, meaning, if you double the diameter, generally the weight is a lot more than doubled. SO how do you keep the bullet from getting too heavy, or as you say, make a lightweight bullet. DO you hollow the base, or the point, or neck the middle. Many different ways, I am just curious about suggestions, or favorite designs. Thinking about it, its really th same question you originally asked.
I think that's what I was trying to say.
Just curious about different ideas.
Thanks,
Lloyd
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I have yet to shoot a boolit that is shorter than it is wide....closest I've come is the EPP/UG's. Melloroadman send me some TINY .45 slugs that are only .3945 high that I am eager to get out and test.....been tough to get away lately.
For target/small game use, I would rather use a HP than a HB if I were trying to lighten a slug of any given length just because I haven't seen as much luck with HB slugs in airguns as I have with the HP's.
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To all,
The Haley .58 is a Beast. Jack made me a great .58 Boomer Carbine, I shot it last weekend for the first time.
Reba sent me some 286 Grain Lead Balls & some 433 Grain HP Conical with my rifle. The .58 Caliber 433 Grain is
a huge projectile and a .45 Caliber Lead Ball will just about fit in the Hollow Point itself. The Rifle shoots great. I
wish I had a Chrony to measure FPS , FT- LBS. But I can say at 35 yards the 286 Grain Round Ball goes half
way into a pine 4"x4"( 2-2"x4"). The 433 Grain HP also does heavy damage to the 4"x4" post with full penetration.
Hunting@ 50 Yards or under should be no problem. Seth gives a great description / Information on the .58 Haley.
Jetman / Gary / Disabled US Army
Hey Gary!! Sweet gun you've got there, please give us a more in depth analysis if you get the chance anfter you've shot it a bit more. Glad your so pleased with it :) Jeff
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I have shoot thousands of bullets that are shorter than they are wide . As long as the nose length is kept to minimine to maintain balance there is no problem . Marvin
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I have yet to shoot a boolit that is shorter than it is wide....closest I've come is the EPP/UG's. Melloroadman send me some TINY .45 slugs that are only .3945 high that I am eager to get out and test.....been tough to get away lately.
For target/small game use, I would rather use a HP than a HB if I were trying to lighten a slug of any given length just because I haven't seen as much luck with HB slugs in airguns as I have with the HP's.
Butcher,
Yes, your point about the bullet being shorter than it is wide is what I was thinking about.
Lloyd
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I have shoot thousands of bullets that are shorter than they are wide . As long as the nose length is kept to minimine to maintain balance there is no problem . Marvin
Marvin,
A picture is worth a thousand words! Yes, very good to know.
Thanks very much,
Lloyd
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Nice rifle, thanks for the post. I am actually waiting on my Jack Haley .58 cal rifle now. I know he is in the process of moving and renovating their new house and bigger shop. But I cant wait to get to shoot it. I bought a bunch of bullets from Mr. Hollowpoint, some balls up to the 820 grn monster...