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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: GD Giles on December 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
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I got the sample tins I ordered today and I was going to wait until tomorrow but I couldn't wait. So I took the gun and pellets with me to work and after work set up the range. 20 yards, indoors. I took 5 shots using the stock scope Optima 3-9x32, I set the power to about 6.1. Tomorrow I will try it again at a lower power to see if that alters the POI.
I'm not saying my pellet quest is over, there's still some I'd like to try but I'll be ordering a tin or three after one more test. You know, compared to some of the JSBs I was really surprised how well the CPHPs did.
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no clue why those posted sideways. Oh well, it's all there. So in actuality, most shots were low and left.
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Thought you were just a crappy shooter :o
Hahahaha, glad you got that sorted. Im holding off trying a sampler till i get a better scope. CPHP do decent for me thankfully. Strange how guns are different but same model.
Now stock up on those pellets!
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I think if you can get the cardboard carton of the crosmans ,you'll find they do even better than the tins . I found them to shoot well out of my 135 out to 50 yds then would open up slightly.
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I ordered a tin of the JSB 18.13 to make my scope order over $100 for free shipping.
Denis the ones in the box seem awfully expensive. I think I paid $16 for 500 JSBs but that box of 600 Crosmans is around $24?
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You can make that Optima scope pretty accurate. Unscrew the objective lens cover (opposite end you look through) the objective in those scopes can be adjusted, screw in or out but not too far. My stock scope objective was set for a far to long of a range making groups of shots impossible. Once I set it 50 ft it became quite accurate.
In case you don't know what is happening when adjusting the objective I'll give the the quick of it. It's not a focus. Many think that's what it does and it's not the whole story. If you can hold the gun with scope or scope alone in place so it won't move and is looking at an object you should be able to move your head back and forth while the cross hair stays is exact same place on object your looking at. If the cross hair moves on the object then your experiencing parallax. It's intense at short distances and cheap scopes many times come with a long distance adjustment. The cheap Optima scope can be adjusted so set it to a common distance you'll be shooting. It doesn't take much movement to "focus" the scope to a shorter distance and really tighten up shot groups.
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You can't go wrong with the 18 grain JSB either. I like this pellet a lot. Kicking myself for buying two 500 tins of the 15.89 to try them out. I'll likely try to sell the unopened tin. The "flatter" trajectory is hardly noticed and it knocks about in wind at distance far more than the gain of 1/2 inch in elevation at 40 yards has merit. And my Talon just doesn't like the taste of them much. Poor groups compared to the 18's.
If it's not too late you may want to add to your order to take advantage of buy 3 tins and get one free. It's surprising how fast you go through a 500 tin, especially when sighting in new scopes!
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You can make that Optima scope pretty accurate. Unscrew the objective lens cover (opposite end you look through) the objective in those scopes can be adjusted, screw in or out but not too far. My stock scope objective was set for a far to long of a range making groups of shots impossible. Once I set it 50 ft it became quite accurate.
In case you don't know what is happening when adjusting the objective I'll give the the quick of it. It's not a focus. Many think that's what it does and it's not the whole story. If you can hold the gun with scope or scope alone in place so it won't move and is looking at an object you should be able to move your head back and forth while the cross hair stays is exact same place on object your looking at. If the cross hair moves on the object then your experiencing parallax. It's intense at short distances and cheap scopes many times come with a long distance adjustment. The cheap Optima scope can be adjusted so set it to a common distance you'll be shooting. It doesn't take much movement to "focus" the scope to a shorter distance and really tighten up shot groups.
And if you move forward (or away? It's been a while) until the sight picture "tunnels" and is surrounded by black while zeroing, doing it again at other ranges than that set for parallax puts your eye in the same spot you zeroed. Helps to eliminate parallax errors at ranges other than the one you set the objective for.
On mine I did it at 20 yards and set up zero and parallax focus for that range. At 10 yards it was off as much as 3/4 inches if I didn't remember to center that "tunnel" - but dead on when I remembered to do it.
Glen is getting an AO scope, this may not adjust out parallax error completely but that is what the "head-bob" checks are for...
Actually Garrett, if you do upgrade I'd recommend a side focus scope. Takes too long and is too awkward if you try to hunt with the AO's ???
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You can't go wrong with the 18 grain JSB either. I like this pellet a lot. Kicking myself for buying two 500 tins of the 15.89 to try them out. I'll likely try to sell the unopened tin. The "flatter" trajectory is hardly noticed and it knocks about in wind at distance far more than the gain of 1/2 inch in elevation at 40 yards has merit. And my Talon just doesn't like the taste of them much. Poor groups compared to the 18's.
If it's not too late you may want to add to your order to take advantage of buy 3 tins and get one free. It's surprising how fast you go through a 500 tin, especially when sighting in new scopes!
Garrett,
You might find this interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLirsAFpsfE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLirsAFpsfE)
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Methuselah ;D
I do have a side focus scope. Was just mentioning how I got the Optima that ships with the gun usable. Once realizing the gun itself is very accurate went ahead and purchased more scope for it than it deserves. Didn't want to error on the low side but was certain a 50mm and 16 zoom was ridiculous and 9 zoom about right, went with Hawke 3-12X44mm as that model is side objective adjustment instead of reaching to front of scope every time.
I can zero in a scope in just a few shots but when doing so usually go nuts and start having targets from 50ft out to 200ft at 25 and 50ft intervals. I'm sure it's not just me but when there is any excuse whatsoever to break out the gun and targets 100-200 pellets will vanish easily. 250 tins may last an entire season but only two shooting sessions.
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Thanks for all who have chimed in on the topic but, especially Glen for logging his experience with this rifle from pre-day-one. I'm sure I will conduct my own tests but it really is great to have a tangible jumping-off point when diving into this hobby on a shoestring budget with my only frame of reference being volumes of reading, a handful of shaky videos and distant childhood memories of shooting friends' airguns.
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Thanks for all who have chimed in on the topic but, especially Glen for logging his experience with this rifle from pre-day-one. I'm sure I will conduct my own tests but it really is great to have a tangible jumping-off point when diving into this hobby on a shoestring budget with my only frame of reference being volumes of reading, a handful of shaky videos and distant childhood memories of shooting friends' airguns.
Welcome to the GTA David. The Hatsan 95 is a good value for the coin and most report an accurate shooter. I've got the 125 and it is a bit heavy. If I had it to do over I think I'd also consider the pump ups, like the Benjamin 392 as a starter (or older version of it on the used market).
Hope you enjoy the new addiction, I started like you did --- friends had a Winchester-looking Daisy.
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You can make that Optima scope pretty accurate. Unscrew the objective lens cover (opposite end you look through) the objective in those scopes can be adjusted, screw in or out but not too far. My stock scope objective was set for a far to long of a range making groups of shots impossible. Once I set it 50 ft it became quite accurate.
In case you don't know what is happening when adjusting the objective I'll give the the quick of it. It's not a focus. Many think that's what it does and it's not the whole story. If you can hold the gun with scope or scope alone in place so it won't move and is looking at an object you should be able to move your head back and forth while the cross hair stays is exact same place on object your looking at. If the cross hair moves on the object then your experiencing parallax. It's intense at short distances and cheap scopes many times come with a long distance adjustment. The cheap Optima scope can be adjusted so set it to a common distance you'll be shooting. It doesn't take much movement to "focus" the scope to a shorter distance and really tighten up shot groups.
I've got 2 much nicer Centerpoints on hand but I'm entertaining the idea of installing the cheapo Optima that came with my 95 Vortex just for grins to see how long it lasts (or doesn't?). I'm wondering how you adjust the objective after you unscrew the cap. Do you just put pressure on the lens with your fingers & rotate it or? ??? Thanks!
Ed
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You can make that Optima scope pretty accurate. Unscrew the objective lens cover (opposite end you look through) the objective in those scopes can be adjusted, screw in or out but not too far. My stock scope objective was set for a far to long of a range making groups of shots impossible. Once I set it 50 ft it became quite accurate.
In case you don't know what is happening when adjusting the objective I'll give the the quick of it. It's not a focus. Many think that's what it does and it's not the whole story. If you can hold the gun with scope or scope alone in place so it won't move and is looking at an object you should be able to move your head back and forth while the cross hair stays is exact same place on object your looking at. If the cross hair moves on the object then your experiencing parallax. It's intense at short distances and cheap scopes many times come with a long distance adjustment. The cheap Optima scope can be adjusted so set it to a common distance you'll be shooting. It doesn't take much movement to "focus" the scope to a shorter distance and really tighten up shot groups.
I've got 2 much nicer Centerpoints on hand but I'm entertaining the idea of installing the cheapo Optima that came with my 95 Vortex just for grins to see how long it lasts (or doesn't?). I'm wondering how you adjust the objective after you unscrew the cap. Do you just put pressure on the lens with your fingers & rotate it or? ??? Thanks!
Ed
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=83794.msg803816#msg803816 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=83794.msg803816#msg803816)
Within is a YouTube video, ocular for crosshair focus, objective side (after loosening bezel end) for target. Do move around eye with scope secured (head-bob) because there is a wide range in focus even though only one critical place of adjustment where the crosshairs stay on target (zero parallax).
When I do the adjustment, I then zero. If not at same range, do the black circle perimeter thing to put your eye as close as possible to center (hopfully very close or same as zero parallax...)
Whew - lot to type on a tablet :P
Happy Holidays Ed!
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Thanks for taking the time Steve. That you tube link was no longer "highlighted" so I could go directly to it but I found a couple that were very helpful including "how to fix cheap scopes". I think I've got now. Very nice review on the 125! I've got a XL1100 that's very accurate and powerful but it's also a monster. I love it but it's a handful for this old man.
Merry Christmas or whatever holiday you may entertain! How's that for PC? ;)
Ed
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Thanks for taking the time Steve. That you tube link was no longer "highlighted" so I could go directly to it but I found a couple that were very helpful including "how to fix cheap scopes". I think I've got now. Very nice review on the 125! I've got a XL1100 that's very accurate and powerful but it's also a monster. I love it but it's a handful for this old man.
Merry Christmas or whatever holiday you may entertain! How's that for PC? ;)
Ed
;D
It's this one (you probably found it...):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T97GCZqbZio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T97GCZqbZio)
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Thanks for taking the time Steve. That you tube link was no longer "highlighted" so I could go directly to it but I found a couple that were very helpful including "how to fix cheap scopes". I think I've got now. Very nice review on the 125! I've got a XL1100 that's very accurate and powerful but it's also a monster. I love it but it's a handful for this old man.
Merry Christmas or whatever holiday you may entertain! How's that for PC? ;)
Ed
Nope, I didn't see that one, thanks for the link. I'm gonna put the Optima cheapie on either my Vantage or my 95. It'll probably last longer on the Vantage. When it blows up I'll get hold of you to see if you still want a broken one. Notice I didn't say "if". ;)
Ed
;D
It's this one (you probably found it...):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T97GCZqbZio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T97GCZqbZio)
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Of the two Optima 3-9x32's I have, I've already pledged one to a friend. Maybe I'll keep the other one and adjust like Rick does in the video to 10 yards and make a short range scope for another gun to be had down the road.
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Thanks for all who have chimed in on the topic but, especially Glen for logging his experience with this rifle from pre-day-one. I'm sure I will conduct my own tests but it really is great to have a tangible jumping-off point when diving into this hobby on a shoestring budget with my only frame of reference being volumes of reading, a handful of shaky videos and distant childhood memories of shooting friends' airguns.
Welcome to the GTA David. The Hatsan 95 is a good value for the coin and most report an accurate shooter. I've got the 125 and it is a bit heavy. If I had it to do over I think I'd also consider the pump ups, like the Benjamin 392 as a starter (or older version of it on the used market).
Hope you enjoy the new addiction, I started like you did --- friends had a Winchester-looking Daisy.
I have the 125, 95 and the Edge. Yes the 125 is a big heavy gun, a real powerhouse. The 95 is easier to carry in the field for sure and the Edge is a great field hunting gun with power that is right there with my 95. (of course it does not have the nice trigger and is a bit harsher, but you get what you pay for).
The pump up are nice and light, but IMHO they don't have the consistency of a springer or ram gun ..... (not talking about PCP at all here)
wll
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Thanks for all who have chimed in on the topic but, especially Glen for logging his experience with this rifle from pre-day-one. I'm sure I will conduct my own tests but it really is great to have a tangible jumping-off point when diving into this hobby on a shoestring budget with my only frame of reference being volumes of reading, a handful of shaky videos and distant childhood memories of shooting friends' airguns.
My pleasure. :) I'm all about the shoestring budget too so I research like crazy to make sure I'm getting maximum value. I don't have the resources of time or money to try a lot of things so I ask and read A LOT to make up for that. I think you'd make a great choice with the 95 and I do like the gas ram. Check for refurbs for the best value. I got mine from www.airgunproshop.com (http://www.airgunproshop.com) .
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I decided I wanted the 95 Vortex .22 a couple of months ago, but my fate is in Santa's hands now. ;)
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I decided I wanted the 95 Vortex .22 a couple of months ago, but my fate is in Santa's hands now. ;)
Here's hoping you've been a good boy........... ;)
Ed
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I decided I wanted the 95 Vortex .22 a couple of months ago, but my fate is in Santa's hands now. ;)
Here's hoping you've been a good boy........... ;)
Ed
Too late for that. I'm down to the hope that he's understaffed in the Checking it Twice Department.
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Of the two Optima 3-9x32's I have, I've already pledged one to a friend. Maybe I'll keep the other one and adjust like Rick does in the video to 10 yards and make a short range scope for another gun to be had down the road.
I'd set it for 50 or 75ft. Honestly, it's not often your shooting as close as 30ft and setting for zero parallax at 50ft will still not vary enough to split hairs over from 25 through 75ft. The further distance shooting your are from the zero parallax setting the more potential for shift do to your head not always being in the same spot every shot. Setting for zero parallax at your common shooting range would be prudent. Whatever that distance you choose you'll still have 20 or so feet of distance on either side that parallax effect will be small- increasing effect the further from zero parallax your shooting.
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Of the two Optima 3-9x32's I have, I've already pledged one to a friend. Maybe I'll keep the other one and adjust like Rick does in the video to 10 yards and make a short range scope for another gun to be had down the road.
I'd set it for 50 or 75ft. Honestly, it's not often your shooting as close as 30ft and setting for zero parallax at 50ft will still not vary enough to split hairs over from 25 through 75ft. The further distance shooting your are from the zero parallax setting the more potential for shift do to your head not always being in the same spot every shot. Setting for zero parallax at your common shooting range would be prudent. Whatever that distance you choose you'll still have 20 or so feet of distance on either side that parallax effect will be small- increasing effect the further from zero parallax your shooting.
That's where I set the parallax on my cheapo Optima, 50'. It works fine on my Vantage NP .22. 1" groups. Of course, I've only shot 50 to 75 times with it. How long it holds up remains to be seen. Plan on using it on tree rats at close range.
Ed
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I just put my Optima back on, it now has around 500 shots and still holding up. What surprised me is how huge the cross hairs look now. Was spoiled using Hawke scopes and fine reticle for so long it was odd to be shooting with Optima cross hairs covering bulls eye of target.
Scopes on 95's may hold up but can say if you've a 125, 135 or Walther Talon side focus scopes wont last. First went in little over 1000 shots and replacement started going in first 10 shots. Getting an adjustable objective for replacement scope this time around (Airmax 3-12X40 AO). Love Hawke warranty and service but done with having to keep returning them. Side focus is a really nice option but there's no way I'm dropping $400 for a side focus (Airmax 30mm tube with side focus) that will hold up to the stress. The Varmint and Vantage 3-12X44 side focus certainly don't. Something for you guys to think about when and if you upgrade, AO scopes by design will last longer than side focus. Well, unless you want to have a scope that cost more than twice your gun.
Yeah, I know I bought more scope than the gun needed. 3-9 would have been plenty and certainly can get by with 2-7 if you don't shoot much past 50 yards. Hadn't used a gun with scope in decades so had no basis of purchase and didn't want to under guess it.
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I just put my Optima back on, it now has around 500 shots and still holding up. What surprised me is how huge the cross hairs look now. Was spoiled using Hawke scopes and fine reticle for so long it was odd to be shooting with Optima cross hairs covering bulls eye of target.
Scopes on 95's may hold up but can say if you've a 125, 135 or Walther Talon side focus scopes wont last. First went in little over 1000 shots and replacement started going in first 10 shots. Getting an adjustable objective for replacement scope this time around (Airmax 3-12X40 AO). Love Hawke warranty and service but done with having to keep returning them. Side focus is a really nice option but there's no way I'm dropping $400 for a side focus (Airmax 30mm tube with side focus) that will hold up to the stress. The Varmint and Vantage 3-12X44 side focus certainly don't. Something for you guys to think about when and if you upgrade, AO scopes by design will last longer than side focus. Well, unless you want to have a scope that cost more than twice your gun.
Yeah, I know I bought more scope than the gun needed. 3-9 would have been plenty and certainly can get by with 2-7 if you don't shoot much past 50 yards. Hadn't used a gun with scope in decades so had no basis of purchase and didn't want to under guess it.
SWFA at $300 ($400 for side focus and 1/10 miliradian turrets) is a seldom mentioned option that would likely hold up to any springer. Amazon carries them - I can't afford one but I like to drool over them...
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I've been wanting to pick up a side adjustable AO scope eventually. Setting the parallax at the front is a real pain with a heavy rifle like the 95 and especially my XL100. After reading this maybe not such a good idea. ???
Ed
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I've been wanting to pick up a side adjustable AO scope eventually. Setting the parallax at the front is a real pain with a heavy rifle like the 95 and especially my XL100. After reading this maybe not such a good idea. ???
Ed
Ed,
Playing with eye bell focus will change the range (depth of field) where parallax error is minimized. One of my Optima's had very little error +/- 5 yards of a setting for zero parallax at 20 yards, the other did not have any setting combination inside 35 yards that would both zero out parallax and still focus the crosshairs.
They do warranty (replace) it if defective first year, and allowed me to upgrade to an AO 3-9 for $20, which I put on my Daisy 880, then got a Leapers for the Hatsan (125). The Leapers is lifetime warranted...
My Daisy is getting a Simmons side-focus (long story especially on a tablet) when the factory fixes the close focus on it. Too much $$$ for an 880 but got a good deal on it.
Maybe you can fine tune the adjustment on the Optima? Mostly, I just think it is adequate for single range, like to verify the accuracy of the gun during the first 30 days.
HTH ;D
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Steve-I just took the front ring off and adjusted the Optima cheapo to be clear out to 50' and put it on my Vantage for grins. For the little bit of shooting I've done with it it's been fine where it is. I was meaning I wanted to eventually pick up a side wheel adjustable scope for my 95 or XL1100 because it's a pain to have reach forward and look down the scope at the same time to set parallex. I've been looking at Hawkes & Leapers/UTG but I didn't know that SWA feature made the scope more fragile as "Gut2Fish" seems to indicate. I know the 95 isn't a 125 or 135 but I think the XL1100 would be comparable. I've got CP 4-16X40 AOs on those now and they work great but they make a heavy rifle heavier & no SWA.
Ed