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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on November 28, 2015, 07:23:56 PM
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OK than, this is my little cameo appearance on the PCP gate.
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1st impression of the gun is that the build is complete quality, solid no nonsense carbine this one is.
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been raining a lot but I did some shooting yesterday to get aquinted with the rifle,
The trigger is crazy crisp and light ( I'll definitely need much more practice before trying for serious groups and definitely for hunting )
......I got several shots off before I was ready, groups at 50 yards even than where a rugged hole unless I messed something up, accuracy is definitely there even in the early stages.
The bolt action is precise, very professional work there.
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the gun is remarcabely quiet for this power level, the sound signature very different than any other rifle I've shot, almost metallic.
the noise of the pellet hitting the target is significantly louder than the gun.
I like that the design and the Weaver rail lets you, with low rings to get the scope pretty much right on the barrel ( to me that is very important )
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The fact that you can use any type of AR15 furnitures is pretty cool too about this gun, can personalise it the way you want.
both barrel and probe are removable so you can go from .30 to .25 in minutes.
only had yesterday with the gun, but weather and project permitting I'll put some serious time on her and eventually take her hunting.
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Been shooting the gun a bit this week but I run out of pellets, waiting for the Pyramyd order to come in to resume getting ready and confident to hunt.
I'm getting used to the crazy light trigger ;D ;D
In the mean time here's some fact and also some subjective opinions.
The accuracy is really very good, the gun is quiet, the bolt action seem to be getting a bit smoother.
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The gun uses a 7 shots Maurader Magazine
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The Bolt action has some weight to it but is precise, you need to push the bolt all the way in to seat the pellet past the Transfer port before bringing it back and down ( I got lazy a few times and didn't do it ::) ::) )
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the Foster fill port is conveniently located on the side
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the trigger is a Timney Calvin Elite
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This Carbine is about 40" depending on your pull length
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Easy take down for backpack transport for a 25" length
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Objectively there's really nothing wrong with this solidly built gun,
But of course I have to give my Subjective opinions ;D ;D
I personally never been a fan of the Marauder magazines, since my guns are strictly for hunting I don't like those rattling pellets inside the plastic mag, also I'm not a fan of bolt actions I'm just spoiled and a sidelever or underlever actions fan ;)
I realise that people love Bottle guns, but I've never been able to warm up to them and still don't like the looks ( from what I hear the FLEX comes in tube version too )
Back on the objective portion,the FLEX is well balanced with good Ergonomics and a good length.
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Don't know the reason behind the stock design ( Travis can chime in on that ) but that handle sure makes for easy carry
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Thanks Manny for taking the time to write up this review I know you were trying to get out of the pcp thing but I pulled you back to the Dark Side for a little while at least. I like many others really appreciate your honesty and knowledge, Most reviews are very bla bla but you let people know how you personally feel about the product good or bad. That being said I sent Manny and off the shelf gun and in no way Does it differ from any other Flex. The trigger is set to 14oz but feels much lighter due to its very short pull and 0 over travel, it can easily be adjusted to 2.5lbs where Manny would be more comfortable but like I said its and off the shelf gun and i wanted him to give his opinion like anyone who will receive one. The stock is mostly flat on the bottom for palming comfort and is positioned so it is equal balanced for caring it like a handle this also is a counterbalance to make the gun feel less top heavy while shooting offhand. We are making our own magazine right now to replace the marauder mag and it will allow much larger ammo to be used, ill talk with Jim about pellet rattle and what we can do about it. I always get emails asking how long it is and it always seems like its a three part answer, depending on how you shoot it. Manny Timneys website has lots of info on adjusting the trigger in many different ways.
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Good review so far Manny.
Just to touch a little on the bolt. I havnt handled one but based on the looks and what Manny says about pushing it fully forward to seat the pellet before lowering the knob seems like it should be changed. In a hunting situation or a rushed follow up shot I can see where one might "short stroke it". Oldpro is there a reason the bolt cut out has that short step back then cams it backwards from fully closed? It seems that it would be a faster smoother action of it didnt have the shallow step and cam back and just went straight down. Again not knocking it and I have never held it so its just a question based on this review and pics.
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I certainly can change about any aspect in future models if its and advantage or makes it better. The only problem with having a strait down slot is it forces you to look at the breach when cycling the bolt back so you dont pull it back to far and double load a pellet, the way we are doing it now once your use to it is the easiest and fastest way to cycle a pellet but it does take some getting use to. Manny has only shot it a few times once he goes threw a tin it will be second nature.
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I suspect most people actually prefer the bolt action, I'm just a lever action fan :)
It would be nice to hear from actual owners about what they think of the bolt needing to go all the way.
Got some 50gr pellets in today so I'll resume the shooting, hopefully take the FLEX Hunting on Wednesday.
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I certainly can change about any aspect in future models if its and advantage or makes it better. The only problem with having a strait down slot is it forces you to look at the breach when cycling the bolt back so you dont pull it back to far and double load a pellet, the way we are doing it now once your use to it is the easiest and fastest way to cycle a pellet but it does take some getting use to. Manny has only shot it a few times once he goes threw a tin it will be second nature.
We may have had a little miscommunication. I was thinking a slot just like the theoben and the BSA S10 use. I dont see how that could cause a double pellet feed since it doesnt happen on the theoben or the S10 or how it requires you to look at the breech while loading. I can load my S10 without looking at it or getting double feeds. Again tho I never have cycled a flex so this was just an observation based on photos and I could be completely off in how it works.
The bottom line is the user can and will get used to the bolt design on the flex so in the end it may not even need to be looked at. If it aint broke dont fix it ;D
I look forward to the hunt Manny.
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I've had my Flex for a few days now. The bolt now is second nature, but I have yet to be in a position to rush a second shot. A couple weeks before I can go after pigs again.
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I really want one of these! A bit much for target shooting though ???
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I've had my Flex for a few days now. The bolt now is second nature, but I have yet to be in a position to rush a second shot. A couple weeks before I can go after pigs again.
I have nothing to contribute to the discussion, but your profile picture gives me nightmares :)
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How much does the gun weigh? Also is designed to shoot pellets or shoot bullets or both? I ask since some barrel manufacturers like LW specify if its a pellet or bullet barrel.
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I've had my Flex for a few days now. The bolt now is second nature, but I have yet to be in a position to rush a second shot. A couple weeks before I can go after pigs again.
I have nothing to contribute to the discussion, but your profile picture gives me nightmares :)
LOL!!! +1
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Manny I appreciated your thoughts on the Slayer, and now this gun. Hope you keep weighing in, looks like a golden age of great bigger caliber PCPs are upon us.
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Manny I appreciated your thoughts on the Slayer, and now this gun. Hope you keep weighing in, looks like a golden age of great bigger caliber PCPs are upon us.
I hate to say it but I fear things are going to change soon. The fact is pcp guns are getting dangerously close to firearm capabilities and this has showed up on some peoples radar. Actually if you think about some of these big bore air guns they have more capability then some pistols. No they can not be pocketed or concealed as easy but you can shoot them further accurately. I would rather you shoot at me with Walther PPK (unless your last name is bond) then this air rifle at 50 yards.
Not trying to take away from this thread at all since its a review on a specific gun but each time I see something big and bad pop up it makes me wonder how far away we are from being regulated....
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Manny I appreciated your thoughts on the Slayer, and now this gun. Hope you keep weighing in, looks like a golden age of great bigger caliber PCPs are upon us.
I hate to say it but I fear things are going to change soon. The fact is pcp guns are getting dangerously close to firearm capabilities and this has showed up on some peoples radar. Actually if you think about some of these big bore air guns they have more capability then some pistols. No they can not be pocketed or concealed as easy but you can shoot them further accurately. I would rather you shoot at me with Walther PPK (unless your last name is bond) then this air rifle at 50 yards.
Not trying to take away from this thread at all since its a review on a specific gun but each time I see something big and bad pop up it makes me wonder how far away we are from being regulated....
I see this concern a lot, but remember the feds consider firearms to use modern gun powder. Guns made before 1900 and typically using black powder are allowed to be sold without background checks and can be mailed to your doorstep. Can you hunt with these black powder weapons, maybe kill somebody? Yes, but they're a pain to use in comparison to modern weapons. Airguns are the same way. They are simply not comparable to modern firearms.
Regulations for airguns, airsoft, and paintball will probably continue at the state level only for the foreseeable future, IMHO.
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The "Sky is falling" Big Bore paranoia is been around a long time, no use dwell into it
Just a waste of time.
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I really want one of these! A bit much for target shooting though ???
Just you wait till Jim and Travis come out with their BR model. There was a peek at one some-wheres.
Found it here: http://i.imgur.com/pssNfV9h.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pssNfV9h.jpg)
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I've had my Flex for a few days now. The bolt now is second nature, but I have yet to be in a position to rush a second shot. A couple weeks before I can go after pigs again.
I have nothing to contribute to the discussion, but your profile picture gives me nightmares :)
Ah Norman, you are making me feel dejected. I am just hoping all my BB gun brethrin will accept me as I am. :D Just a photo of me being a coy chick magnet 8).
BTW: didn't shoot today, too wet n cold. I did add a single point sling mount/sling though.
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How much does the gun weigh? Also is designed to shoot pellets or shoot bullets or both? I ask since some barrel manufacturers like LW specify if its a pellet or bullet barrel.
8 lbs, choked barrel for pellets. Travis was fooling with a .308 bullet barrel today, that probably will become an option. But check with Travis on that.
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I got some 50gr JSB but they don't seem to be as accurate as the 44gr,
so I'll be still waiting for my Pyramyd order to come in before more serious shooting,
Groups, video showing the action and sound, chrono testing and hopefully a downed Porker or 2 :) :) ...to come.
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i still think triggers this light are crazy, OK maybe they are fine benchresting, I'm doing alright not great with it on the bench.
But, this week I shot 2 roosters, one a few days back and one yesterday and both times my shots where definitely premature, Hope I don't screw up today if I find a Porker and get an opportunity.
Yesterday I got my 44gr order in so I can have the best pellet for the hunt too.
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i still think triggers this light are crazy, OK maybe they are fine benchresting, I'm doing alright not great with it on the bench.
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IIRC bottom front of trigger screw CCW increases pull weight. Edit, correction: CW increases pull weight.
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you can also increase sear engagement its backside of trigger, counterclockwise 2 turns. This will also add about a pound.
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Turn them enough, you will have an expensive Gamo trigger ;D
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Nawh, I'll leave it
I like challenges :) :)
Took an other rooster this morning and I was able to concentrate more and take the shot the right way.
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I'll take a rather light trigger over the beast of a trigger on my 909s. That sucker is HEAVY. I squeeze and squeeze and grit my teeth and finally the thing lets loose with a BAM! And I jump. Now I'm trigger shy. :o
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I'll take a rather light trigger over the beast of a trigger on my 909s. That sucker is HEAVY. I squeeze and squeeze and grit my teeth and finally the thing lets loose with a BAM! And I jump. Now I'm trigger shy. :o
Will Piatt did wonders on my 909s trigger. Took it from around 8lbs to just a couple. Still not great for target shooting, but that's not really what I use it for...excellent in the field.
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I'll take a rather light trigger over the beast of a trigger on my 909s. That sucker is HEAVY. I squeeze and squeeze and grit my teeth and finally the thing lets loose with a BAM! And I jump. Now I'm trigger shy. :o
LOL, that's the opposite end of the spectrum :) :) yeah those triggers stock are pretty Heeeavy, luckily they can be lightened to a very nice Hunting weight.
Anyway, I'm out the door and hopefully I'll come back with a Porker :)
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Go get 'em Manny. I'm with you in spirit ;D
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Knock em down Bro!!!
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LOL, that's the opposite end of the spectrum :) :) yeah those triggers stock are pretty Heeeavy, luckily they can be lightened to a very nice Hunting weight.
Anyway, I'm out the door and hopefully I'll come back with a Porker :)
Out at the crack of noon huh? ;D
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Nawh, I'll leave it
I like challenges :) :)
Took an other rooster this morning and I was able to concentrate more and take the shot the right way.
Manny, are you not a morning person? You've shot 3 alarm clocks during the course of this thread LOL ;D ;)
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Nawh, I'll leave it
I like challenges :) :)
Took an other rooster this morning and I was able to concentrate more and take the shot the right way.
Manny, are you not a morning person? You've shot 3 alarm clocks during the course of this thread LOL ;D ;)
I'm pretty sure he works nights most of the time.
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Yea he bar tends at night and being 2 hours later than cal. hes in bed when our day is well under way. Manny only seen one pig but it was too dark to make the shot(good ethics) so he will be back to it weather permitting.
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I have used my Flex .30 quite a bit. The cocking bolt has really settled down and the barrel has seasoned nicely. Because accuracy has really improved, I sent Travis pics of 100yd and 135yd 7shot groups. Cocking the gun does become second nature, pushing the bolt all the way forward then down everything wears in quite nicely. I personally really like a light trigger on all my guns. Not a hair trigger but under 1lb works very nicely. My Weatherby 7mm and Kleingunther 25-06 are under 1lb. Less margin for error find, sight and pow!!!! WAR makes an awesome gun and with time I'm sure Travis and Jim will change some of the little things to please others. One thing I would love to see in a FLEX would be side cocking lever like the FX or AA guns. I had wanted to try cast bullets with my FLEX but after talking with Travis I opted not too. He explained that cast would not be good for my choked barrel, so staying with my
44gr JSB pellets. This is an awesome gun, very easy to maneuver. She shoulders very nice adjustable stock makes it nice for young shoots. I'll be putting my 9yr old grandson on her for our next predator calling session. Take care and have fun!!!
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Forgot to mention that I have nearly finished my 6th tin of 44gr JSB pellets!!! I've ran a dry patch thru the barrel after each tin. I have not cleaned with solvents or anything else yet. I'll get with Travis before I clean with anything. If a remember correct Travis told me to use a Bore Snake. But.......I better confirm that!
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I too recommended from the first of the seating of the pellet. but after just a little time that problem is over. The slot is tapered back so the bolt falls right in the slot. The double loading is from not allowing some downward pressure as to set the bolt and over shooting your stop slot.
Very easy to get over that stage. You need to have one of the FLEX'S in your hands to really understand WHAT THIS GUN IS REALLY ALL ABOUT.
As to the trigger I shoot light triggers. NP has just gotten use to the Evanix triggers and the side levers as I have with the Evanix and RAWS. The large bolt works very good. It's just what you get use too.
Great gun and NP put his REAL feel about the gun on papers AS most of us know he always does.
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
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I hear from Travis that W.A.R. is designing their own magazines,
that will be great so they can get rid of the terrible Marauder Mags.
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Not sure it has been mentioned in this post but has been in others.
The tapered or slope backwards of the bolt is retracting the probe so not to block and restrict the exhaust air port.
Nice method. Nice enough I am going to steal it and mod a Marauder to do the same.
I have a marauder bolt that Travis model that allows much less restriction and does help.
As to the mag, same mag style as on a Theoben and Raw?
Evanix old style cylinder round mag was nice other than no stop . The new style to me are not as good as the old style and still not stop. But you can as a day state index the mag with and indicator with markings for reference.JMO
One other tip is do not shoot the FLEX without the mag adapter installed with the mag. Barrel Seal damage WILL occur.JMO
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One other tip is do not shoot the FLEX without the mag adapter installed with the mag. Barrel Seal damage WILL occur.JMO
After having feeding problems with mag, I removed the mag adapter with a suggestion from Travis. I have no more feeding problems, and haven't had any barrel/breech seal damage after about a tin and a quarter of lead. Just my observation, YMMV . Hopefully the new mags will be available soon though.
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The new big mags are being developed now and will be a very nice upgrade
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Different results here on the seal without the adapter. But n9 2 guns are the same.
Fang
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I have used my Flex .30 quite a bit. The cocking bolt has really settled down and the barrel has seasoned nicely. Because accuracy has really improved, I sent Travis pics of 100yd and 135yd 7shot groups. Cocking the gun does become second nature, pushing the bolt all the way forward then down everything wears in quite nicely. I personally really like a light trigger on all my guns. Not a hair trigger but under 1lb works very nicely. My Weatherby 7mm and Kleingunther 25-06 are under 1lb. Less margin for error find, sight and pow!!!! WAR makes an awesome gun and with time I'm sure Travis and Jim will change some of the little things to please others. One thing I would love to see in a FLEX would be side cocking lever like the FX or AA guns. I had wanted to try cast bullets with my FLEX but after talking with Travis I opted not too. He explained that cast would not be good for my choked barrel, so staying with my
44gr JSB pellets. This is an awesome gun, very easy to maneuver. She shoulders very nice adjustable stock makes it nice for young shoots. I'll be putting my 9yr old grandson on her for our next predator calling session. Take care and have fun!!!
Can you post a photo of the 100 and 135 yard groups?
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Would Like to see a 5 shot - low profile mag that doesn't rise above the top of the riser so that one piece mounts are not affected.
Currently you have to either do this:
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Or add an AR riser rail to get clearance enough to insert the magazine.
Also, the flex barrel is the same TJ's barrel that won the 2014 Extreme Bench Rest if I am not mistaken. There are plenty of slugs on the market designed specifically for this barrel. Some you have to buy the molds for, Accurate has 2 Bob's Boattail slug designs in 70 and 75 grains in rebated boattail designed specifically for this barrel. It is my understanding that a choke can be fine on slugs if they are the right size. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not mistaken it is a Cr MOly Steel Hammer Forged Barrel with .300 grooves and 6 lands @ 0.294 and a twist of 1:26". Now, if you try to use .303 slugs that probably wouldn't be good for your barrel.
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Not sure it has been mentioned in this post but has been in others.
The tapered or slope backwards of the bolt is retracting the probe so not to block and restrict the exhaust air port.
Nice method. Nice enough I am going to steal it and mod a Marauder to do the same.
I have a marauder bolt that Travis model that allows much less restriction and does help.
As to the mag, same mag style as on a Theoben and Raw?
Evanix old style cylinder round mag was nice other than no stop . The new style to me are not as good as the old style and still not stop. But you can as a day state index the mag with and indicator with markings for reference.JMO
One other tip is do not shoot the FLEX without the mag adapter installed with the mag. Barrel Seal damage WILL occur.JMO
I have done just that on my .224 Marauder. I just milled out a slot so I could pull the bolt backwards after turning down the bolt handle to lock it up. Am going to make a solid bolt for the .25 pellet shooter and do the same thing to its breech.
The .224 has topped 100 fpe with 45 grain cast from a 225353 mold...:)
cheers,
Douglas
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Ancient1 one, I'll ask Travis if he can help me. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to electronics. I'll ask one of my grandsons to help me lol they are 10yrs to new born!! Jajajajaja I have really got to learn more about these iPads and pics!!!! A 7shot group at 135 was 2" and the 100yd group was just under 1" I sent Travis a text and asked him if he could help me. You can email if you like and I'll send you pics.
chachovg1013@hotmail.com
Thnx
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Not sure it has been mentioned in this post but has been in others.
The tapered or slope backwards of the bolt is retracting the probe so not to block and restrict the exhaust air port.
Nice method. Nice enough I am going to steal it and mod a Marauder to do the same.
I have a marauder bolt that Travis model that allows much less restriction and does help.
As to the mag, same mag style as on a Theoben and Raw?
Evanix old style cylinder round mag was nice other than no stop . The new style to me are not as good as the old style and still not stop. But you can as a day state index the mag with and indicator with markings for reference.JMO
One other tip is do not shoot the FLEX without the mag adapter installed with the mag. Barrel Seal damage WILL occur.JMO
I have done just that on my .224 Marauder. I just milled out a slot so I could pull the bolt backwards after turning down the bolt handle to lock it up. Am going to make a solid bolt for the .25 pellet shooter and do the same thing to its breech.
The .224 has topped 100 fpe with 45 grain cast from a 225353 mold...:)
cheers,
Douglas
Hmm, why not use a J-shaped slot for the pullback? That would provide a very positive locking.
BTW, what kind of accuracy are you getting from that .224, sub MOA at 100Y?
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Many ways to skin a cat.
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rkr,
We considered a backwards "J" shaped slot but there is not enough rotation in the bolt to allow any material to remain between the main cocking slot and the bottom of the "J". We also took into consideration the possibility that the shooter will not get the bolt into the slot before shooting (sh*t happens), so we went with a design that basically allows the bolt to fall into place if the shooter forgets. That is also the reason the bolt handle is relatively massive.
All the best,
Jim
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rkr,
We considered a backwards "J" shaped slot but there is not enough rotation in the bolt to allow any material to remain between the main cocking slot and the bottom of the "J". We also took into consideration the possibility that the shooter will not get the bolt into the slot before shooting (sh*t happens), so we went with a design that basically allows the bolt to fall into place if the shooter forgets. That is also the reason the bolt handle is relatively massive.
All the best,
Jim
That's a good reason. I like the idea of bolt falling in to place. Massive handle also makes cocking easier. I'm actually starting to like your design :)
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Total agreement. Good design and love the monster knob.
The set up, after getting the Nak of the gun is not a problem.
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Ancient1 one, I'll ask Travis if he can help me. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to electronics. I'll ask one of my grandsons to help me lol they are 10yrs to new born!! Jajajajaja I have really got to learn more about these iPads and pics!!!! A 7shot group at 135 was 2" and the 100yd group was just under 1" I sent Travis a text and asked him if he could help me. You can email if you like and I'll send you pics.
chachovg1013@hotmail.com
Thnx
Thanks. I am emailing you now.
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I'm starting to wonder if Flex would make a good candidate for a .257 or .25 bullet shooter for long range work. If the magazine is long enough and there's enough power potential with pull back probe ...
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Our mag is .600 carry length and max power can be pushed beyond 150fpe with valve mod. We have nearly 1.5 inches of hammer travel. We are working on both a .257 and .308 currently in fact our test gun will be delivered tomorrow to its new owner to test his .308 slugs.
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Our mag is .600 carry length and max power can be pushed beyond 150fpe with valve mod. We have nearly 1.5 inches of hammer travel. We are working on both a .257 and .308 currently in fact our test gun will be delivered tomorrow to its new owner to test his .308 slugs.
Might be better as a .224 then. 51 grain BBT would fit the magazine and it would make 102 fpe when travelling at 950 fps.
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Not sure why .224 would be better can you elaborate.
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Not sure why .224 would be better can you elaborate.
Cast bullets used for long range shooting tend to be rather long. Even a 55 grain .225 Lee bullet seems to be longer than .600 http://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c225-55-rf.html (http://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c225-55-rf.html) Go for .257 and your choice of magazine fitting ammo is rather limited. If we take 90 grain .257 LBT which was used for recent 1000+ yard shooting as an example, that bullet is .745" long http://www.lbtmoulds.com/pdf/2007CATALOG.pdf (http://www.lbtmoulds.com/pdf/2007CATALOG.pdf) Also pushing that bullet to 950 fps would take 180 fpe which is more than the 150 fpe you stated above. Perhaps you could modify your platform a bit to make that happen, I bet there would be many interested buyers ;)
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If single shot those rounds could chamber easy but your correct they won't fit in the magazine. We really didn't intend this rifle to be a high power shooter when we started out but there is some interest due to its ability to change caliber at will. We do have two .308 caliber prototype rifles and heavy pellets fitting in the mag is no problem due to their larger OD, that's why I was confused when you stated a 224 would be ideal, that would make the bullet even longer but maybe you were talking about available FPE?
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I think RKR is referring to the length of bullet that can be accommodated by the magazine topping out at .600". He and many others would like the ability to chamber rounds like the 90 gr .257 in the magazine. I believe he is asking if it would be possible to alter the design of the Flex/magazine to accommodate a proven long range round.
However there remains the missing 30 fpe to push that round to 950 fps...
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I have no idea what the Max FPE is I have never filled to max pressure and max hammer strike but will in the near future. All my shooting has been done with 3000psi fill and very light spring loads. There is room to mill open the breech and accept larger mags and I certainly would do this if interest was high enough to warrant it but im pushed for time just getting out the orders I have now. That being said Im certainly open to change and or modification and will stretch her out in the near future. The 308s I have now will tell me alot about power levels so stay tuned we will know shortly how far we can sling lead.
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I can't speak for the others, but that's the answer I'm looking for. That lack of time sounds like the curse of success. Congratulations!
What's the line from Hamlet, "Whethe it's nobler of the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". Something like that.
Rock on, that's great news!
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Ancient1 one, I'll ask Travis if he can help me. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to electronics. I'll ask one of my grandsons to help me lol they are 10yrs to new born!! Jajajajaja I have really got to learn more about these iPads and pics!!!! A 7shot group at 135 was 2" and the 100yd group was just under 1" I sent Travis a text and asked him if he could help me. You can email if you like and I'll send you pics.
chachovg1013@hotmail.com
Thnx
The photos you emailed me. The top 3 are 100 yards / The bottom 135 yards.
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Spot on. SO the gun will do as advertised if the shooter can do his part.
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Great groupings. Thanks for posting.
The .308 sounds very interesting. I am very curious to see what it does with heavier slugs.
Harry
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Great groupings. Thanks for posting.
The .308 sounds very interesting. I am very curious to see what it does with heavier slugs.
Harry
A hundred grains at 950 would be sweet...:) 93 gr BBT and a 14" twist barrel ought to be just the ticket.
cheers,
Douglas
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You all are killing me with all this info! I am sure Wicked air will have much more to come. As we have already seen and heard.
Research and development is an on going thing for these guys . I guess the .257 is gone in the wind.
Who knows what these mad men will come up with next.
For now I am very satisfied with the first line of the start.
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
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You all are killing me with all this info! I am sure Wicked air will have much more to come. As we have already seen and heard.
Research and development is an on going thing for these guys . I guess the .257 is gone in the wind.
Who knows what these mad men will come up with next.
For now I am very satisfied with the first line of the start.
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
I agree!! Couple of mad scientists at wicked air rifles. Crazy to think about what the future holds seeing how the first production gun was a homerun
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Wait, don't kill the .257 just yet...
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Wait, don't kill the .257 just yet...
You can't.......lol!
Thats some amazing accuracy from such a compact gun. Way to go W.A.R.
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I'm not going to kill the .257 don't worry. It's on the to do list.
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I'm not going to kill the .257 don't worry. It's on the to do list.
Niiiiiice! Can't wait to hear about that one...........WOOHOO!
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Nice!
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I'm not going to kill the .257 don't worry. It's on the to do list.
Niiiiiice! Can't wait to hear about that one...........WOOHOO!
I'll be following this up with great interest. Factory made .257 bullet shooters have potential of lifting this hobby to whole new level and to allow us to reach whole new ranges with airguns. Keep up the good work.
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I don't recall the thread, but somewhere here on GTA there was talk of great accuracy from a .257 TJ barrel while shooting .25 pellets. Remembering this gave me an idea, this could be an ideal gun if the magazine and probe could chamber and seat both bullets and pellets then this could span the spectrum from plinker to, er... plunker :P
I don't know if doing that with the same magazine is possible or if you would need another magazine for pellets. I had a Ruger single action revolver that could fire .22 LR or .22mag by swapping the cylinder. Maybe that concept could work with the Flex. The .25 Super Flex, plink or hunt in 100 yards with ease using pellet or crank it up and load a magazine of .257 to comfortably take on targets beyond 500 yards.
Oldpro, is that even possible or am I off my rocker? If I'm not of my rocker then I want one.
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Just in case, I signed up for more overtime less than 5 minutes ago. :o
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NP, please give some feed back on the 55gr JSB pellets. Accuracy and did you have to tune her from factory settings?
Thank You Brother Man.
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JFI, The JSB is 50.15 geain.
I have tried them and yes I did increase the hammer. No shot any long shots but at 28 - 30 yards just as accurate out of my gun. Right now that is what I am shooting. Best I remember I am set up at 940 fps. That many be a little hot.
JSB 44.75 GRAIN was set up at 920fps at 2100 Recommended setting for that pellet was 910 fps.
Not sure what NP did.
FANG
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Whitefang and Extreme, your conversation about the JSB heavies and what velocity to aim for reminded me of a thread I bookmarked for all of its great data. Rsterne was telling RKR about the accuracy and spin drift of the round- research is still pending but...
Possibly even 900 fps or close for 100 yard work.... Only once the entire drag curve is determined will we have the exact answer to that question.... Like anything else that goes through a minimum, some distance either side of that carries little penalty, so even if the optimum is 880 fps, 900 or even 920 may be so close that the flatter trajectory is worth it.... eg. on the above graph, 850 and 900 have the same drift, so may as well choose 900.... and 950 is only 1/8" more.... At 1000 fps, the drift is 3/8" more, however....
Bob
So maybe 940 fps is the sweet spot.
With regard to the Flex being comfortable with the 50+gr rounds, has anyone seen any long distance reviews of the .25 Bob's Boattail in 51 gr from Spain? I'm really curious to see how that round is performing. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=93411.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=93411.0)
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Great point. There is a rule of thumb. But I find the rule is not FOR all guns. But I do have to agree that a pellet being stable is important and the spin drift and most tuners use the lower fps for accurate and shot count. I am sure there is some =- IN ALL OF THE RULE. JMO
FANG
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Right, what's the saying, "Individual mileage may vary".
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Great groupings. Thanks for posting.
The .308 sounds very interesting. I am very curious to see what it does with heavier slugs.
Harry
A hundred grains at 950 would be sweet...:) 93 gr BBT and a 14" twist barrel ought to be just the ticket.
cheers,
Douglas
Yes, 200fpe would be the ticket, but I am not greedy. I would settle for 900-925fps with 100gr .308 for 1 or 2 more shots :)
Harry
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I've had my Flex for a few days now. The bolt now is second nature, but I have yet to be in a position to rush a second shot. A couple weeks before I can go after pigs again.
I have nothing to contribute to the discussion, but your profile picture gives me nightmares :)
I have nothing to contribute to the discussion either, but every time I read one of your posts, I hear Sam Jackson's voice.
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I don't recall the thread, but somewhere here on GTA there was talk of great accuracy from a .257 TJ barrel while shooting .25 pellets. Remembering this gave me an idea, this could be an ideal gun if the magazine and probe could chamber and seat both bullets and pellets then this could span the spectrum from plinker to, er... plunker :P
I don't know if doing that with the same magazine is possible or if you would need another magazine for pellets. I had a Ruger single action revolver that could fire .22 LR or .22mag by swapping the cylinder. Maybe that concept could work with the Flex. The .25 Super Flex, plink or hunt in 100 yards with ease using pellet or crank it up and load a magazine of .257 to comfortably take on targets beyond 500 yards.
Oldpro, is that even possible or am I off my rocker? If I'm not of my rocker then I want one.
Scott,
Much more to it than the bolt proble seating both projectiles. The reason this PHENOMENON happened is because for 1, and most importantly, the owners 257 barrel was a little bit under bored. Or, SMALLER than 257". When you have this issue, pellets can become very accurate as the bore is UNDERSIZED a tidy bit and it suits the pellet more and more the smaller it is. Then with shooting a slug, you just need the right sizer to match your barrels specs.
My barrel on the other hand is about .2572" and will not shoot pellets well at only 900 fps (lowest power setting) even at 25 yards. Kodiaks, JSB's and a couple of HandN's shoot horrible in mine.
TJ barrels bores WILL VARY SOME between each barrel. We have found this to be very true. Some bores are tighter than others.
But MAYBE if barrels were made with lets say a inner dimension of .250" - .256" or .249" - .256", maybe pellets and slugs could be accurate in the same gun. MAYBE
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Thnx WhiteFang, think I might try a tin. Just for kicks to shoot out past 100yds. The 44gr preformed great. Maybe a little heavier pellet at 920-930 in dry West Tx might do well. Won't know until you try it.
Take Care Fellas
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Thanks for that explanation, Tofazfou. I love the knowledge I gain here, thanks!
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I don't recall the thread, but somewhere here on GTA there was talk of great accuracy from a .257 TJ barrel while shooting .25 pellets. Remembering this gave me an idea, this could be an ideal gun if the magazine and probe could chamber and seat both bullets and pellets then this could span the spectrum from plinker to, er... plunker :P
I don't know if doing that with the same magazine is possible or if you would need another magazine for pellets. I had a Ruger single action revolver that could fire .22 LR or .22mag by swapping the cylinder. Maybe that concept could work with the Flex. The .25 Super Flex, plink or hunt in 100 yards with ease using pellet or crank it up and load a magazine of .257 to comfortably take on targets beyond 500 yards.
Oldpro, is that even possible or am I off my rocker? If I'm not of my rocker then I want one.
Scott,
Much more to it than the bolt proble seating both projectiles. The reason this PHENOMENON happened is because for 1, and most importantly, the owners 257 barrel was a little bit under bored. Or, SMALLER than 257". When you have this issue, pellets can become very accurate as the bore is UNDERSIZED a tidy bit and it suits the pellet more and more the smaller it is. Then with shooting a slug, you just need the right sizer to match your barrels specs.
My barrel on the other hand is about .2572" and will not shoot pellets well at only 900 fps (lowest power setting) even at 25 yards. Kodiaks, JSB's and a couple of HandN's shoot horrible in mine.
TJ barrels bores WILL VARY SOME between each barrel. We have found this to be very true. Some bores are tighter than others.
But MAYBE if barrels were made with lets say a inner dimension of .250" - .256" or .249" - .256", maybe pellets and slugs could be accurate in the same gun. MAYBE
.249" land diameter should be good for "bore riding" pellets. .250" is a tad bit more than the nose of most .25 pellets. Perhaps TJ could start making barrels that are .249" at lands so they could be used for both pellets and bullets.
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I like the idea of a .308, plenty bullets out there even roundballs.
To have a gun that can plink with roundballs at lower power than hunt with a 65-70gr bullet in the -/+ 120 FPE range would be pretty cool,
than put the .30 barrel back on if you want to shoot pellets ( soon more options in .30 cal pellets should be showing up to )
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I like the idea of a .308, plenty bullets out there even roundballs.
To have a gun that can plink with roundballs at lower power than hunt with a 65-70gr bullet in the -/+ 120 FPE range would be pretty cool,
than put the .30 barrel back on if you want to shoot pellets ( soon more options in .30 cal pellets should be showing up to )
That tightbore .257 barrel we talked about should get you similar features in a bit smaller caliber without the barrel change. Of course .30 will make a bit bigger wound channel if that's important.
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Keep feeding the ideas I never rule out anything. You never know what the next big thing will be in this fast pace industry, the Flex platform allows us to try almost anything.
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Got a better scope on the FLEX,...this makes shooting those 50 yards groups much easier :)
Blowing 30 miles an hour now,...depending on surf and wind I should make that video this week
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If this was my gun I would get a Weaver rail on the bottom of the stock and get a Magpul angular grip on.
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NP
Bought the mag pull rear butt. Came with a huge poster of almost all there products for the AR. I looked at that set up as well.
But for now just playing with it. Leatherwood glass was a huge plus. New camo look now.
Great platform for mods and extras. Plus the .308 and the .257 interest me.
Got too many projects going on now that I have gone back to work. All that time off with the knee and I guess no motivation?
Knee is not good. The work on it was a miss. New knee coming soon it looks like. I am back in the same boat I was if not worse than before surgery.
FANG
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That camo job you did is SICK!!! You need to post pics. I want to send you my gun and get it done.
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THANKS bro!! I will try to get some posted later this afternoon. I have not even posted them on JYAG'S.
You know I will fix you up any time.
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
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Feel better Fang I know its a long road recovering from that surgery I just bhad mine done last year as you know meanwhile heres the first victim of the .308 FLEX ;D This will get your wheels spinning. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101231.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101231.0)
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So, testing the high power end of the Flex with 50 grain JSB. With a MAX (3600 psi) fill, 2 turns of the power adjuster clockwise, and Travis' blessing, I got 21 shots @ 910-940 fps, starting at 3600 ending at 2900. That takes about 160 pumps with the G6 to get back to 3600. I'll post actual chronograph strings tomorrow for the full 21-shots.
That's 21 ~100-fpe shots on a fill. Wow!
You could turn it down and shoot 20+ ~85 fpe shots with the 44 pellets, after shooting 21 High power shots.
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It's definitely a Flexible gun :) .....21 shots in the 100 FPE range is pretty darn good.
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Posted this on the WA site in a link to m y photo bucket. But here it is in a picture. Not the best picture but you would have to see this in person to realize the affects this pattern takes on in different light and angles.
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
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That's a nice job FANG.
But your bolt is on the wrong side ;D HaHa
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Posted this on the WA site in a link to m y photo bucket. But here it is in a picture. Not the best picture but you would have to see this in person to realize the affects this pattern takes on in different light and angles.
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
Hoooo,..... I like it
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Really like the camo job on the gun!
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Many thanks guys!! Got to a say super gun. It took the camo great. Just did all the removable parts or I call it the dress or funiture.
Not big on painting scopes. But have done few.
When I checked the price of the dipping they informed me they did the scope as well? So as long as the working parts are taped off no harm.
That .308 kill was something.
Old pro just had to show me that.lol But I got some 30 yard head shots with the 9MM that took the heads off.lol
NO blood yet with the FLEX.
Fangster
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Great looking camo job Fang.
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I got a grass camo that looks as good or better.
I'll get and old pic to show all.
Thanks
Thanks
Fang
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I got a grass camo that looks as good or better.
I'll get and old pic to show all.
Thanks
Thanks
Fang
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Fang, that came out really nice. I usually find the camo to be a turn-off, but yours I'd by far the exception. Very nice indeed.
When you guys buy your Flex rifles, do they come with a stock and do they come with a regulator? Or are those add-ons?
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They come with a butt-stock no Regulator
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Any chance of having a canted scope rail as a option?
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I've been lagging making progress on this thread,....but hey, the waves been good and I've been having a lot of water time :) :)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/11938770_10153460480916858_787597795_n_zpsnsbt5jf5.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/11938770_10153460480916858_787597795_n_zpsnsbt5jf5.jpg.html)
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I did take it Hunting on Wednesday and sat on the tree blind for 6 hours, heard Porkers fighting down in the impregnatable valley on and off from 3 PM to 6 PM but they never came to the feeder,
I will give this Wednesday a break to that spot and go back the following week,...I will put my best effort to make those videos and cover all the bases so I can go back and concentrate on my bows and not have to log into the PCP gate.
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I miss paddling out in shorts... I wouldnt be shooting either with waves like that.
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I don't blame u 1 bit Manny.
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Goofy foot. Do you shoot left handed?
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Statistically the "Goofy Footed" have been shown to have a higher IQ as well as a higher quality of life.
Research has also shown that 85% of statistics are made up on the spot. ;)
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;D Manny when I see wave like that I wish I still had mt 9'6" Dewey Weber nose rider but is was stolen out of my garage years ago
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I have a nice Dewey Weber I'd let go cheap I bought it from some dude selling stuff out of his van.
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Hey
When I see waves like that I say, &^^& I hate water landings with this T-10.
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Wow, we never see waves like that around here unless a levee breaks.
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Today I finally got of my butt and shot a video.
In this video I wanted to capture the sound ( I tell you this gun is super quiet )
the Action manipulation, and all the while shoot two 5 shots 50 yards groups,.....I only shoot 5 shots because I get very nervous shooting paper so I wanted to keep the human element out and just shot the gun potential,
as you can see even for a poor shot like myself there's no reason not to keep those pellets in a tight rugged group at 50 yards, .....the gun is zeroed at 30 so that is the drop you get at 50.
charged to 200 BAR, 1st group in the one on the right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xASZuzlH4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xASZuzlH4&feature=youtu.be)
https://youtu.be/_1xASZuzlH4 (https://youtu.be/_1xASZuzlH4)
Here's the actual pictures of those groups
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(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/DSCF1901_zpsccf8cwjw.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/DSCF1901_zpsccf8cwjw.jpg.html)
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;D Manny when I see wave like that I wish I still had mt 9'6" Dewey Weber nose rider but is was stolen out of my garage years ago
Those are nice ones,.....Funny thing is that I ride a 114 bucks Cotsco foam board, the WaveStorm :) :)
I ride much bigger and knarlyer waves than those on them and people think I'm crazy, ...but I like challenges :) :)
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The FLEX is dead on sir. Have done a chrony on that gun.
It was for sure QUITE!!
GREAT selling video.
Fang
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I miss paddling out in shorts... I wouldnt be shooting either with waves like that.
Hey young-un You can always do angels in the snow to kill time.
Bob
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The FLEX is dead on sir. Have done a chrony on that gun.
It was for sure QUITE!!
GREAT selling video.
Fang
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"dang" good shootin and groupin Manny Sir!
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Great groups Manny, beautiful gun Travis!
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Sock hat two jackets and fur lined boots man I have to come visit. Nice shooting my friend.
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Sock hat two jackets and fur lined boots man I have to come visit. Nice shooting my friend.
LOL, it's gotta be about 85 here :) ... it's really not that hard to shoot tight groups with this gun.
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I have shot 4 in a row in the same exact hole .300 twice I haven't made it to 5 yet and might never lol but I will keep trying. My goal is 1 mag 7 shots in the same hole, highly unlikely for me but have to set the bar high. I think one of the Flex owners has done it, I'll check threw my emails.
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Wow, that's quiet! Manny, how many fps were those tight groups fired at?
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I send them all out at 900fps with 44.75 JSB. He hasnt touched it yet. But there is A LOT left in the tank. Once I get my heavy .308 lead Ill post some results. Im sending my .65 grain supersonic right now so Im waiting on some heavys to show up. 85 sounds nice right now Manny but the ski slope opens on thursday so Ill get some moutain surfing in. Here some owners are playing with tunes. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101370.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101370.0)
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Excellent shooting Manny. It's nice when the rifle makes those groups easy.
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Oldpro- 'Im sending my .65 grain supersonic right now'
Yikes-stripes! I guess there sure is a lot more under the hood!
Is that a stock Flex turned up to ludicrous speed or did you tinker with one of your rifles?
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Just more valving everything else is stock. Your valve like every Flex Rifle is modular so we can up your potential energy also.
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I send them all out at 900fps with 44.75 JSB. He hasnt touched it yet. But there is A LOT left in the tank. Once I get my heavy .308 lead Ill post some results. Im sending my .65 grain supersonic right now so Im waiting on some heavys to show up. 85 sounds nice right now Manny but the ski slope opens on thursday so Ill get some moutain surfing in. Here some owners are playing with tunes. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101370.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=101370.0)
Travis,
Wanna try some 115's FPs and a few 148 gr HP's? Would be interesting to see what your 308 could do with them?
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If you have some please send them.
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Wow, those tunes looking real good, definitely showing the potention and flexability of the gun.
Can't wait to see what the .308 does.
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Manny, those groups look great. I bet those would be sub MOA @ 100 yds. I can't wait to get to a range or out to the woods to shoot farther.
My neighboring state, Alabama, made white tail and hogs legal with .30 & larger air rifles. The state line is less than 2 hours away. Now, I just don't know about a head shot on a deer. I suppose at under 50 yds a .30 70-75 grain would still be carrying over 100 FPE at the target. My guess is that barring a Double shoulder hit, a heart/lung would be total pass thru. They say 45 ft/lbs is enough for white tails with a bow. I know they have a bigger wound channel and do lots of damage but I think the .30 can still do the job. Thoughts?
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When I see waves like that I say, &^^& I hate water landings with this T-10.
LOL like swimming in a spider web LOL
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Old timer thinks with past deer we always want a placed shot. But not always the case in a big bore PB. But the key to any kill is the placed shot.
I say the .30 and the 9MM placed at 40+ will take a deer down. Even a though shot on the vital areas the deer will go down. Just think of a black power gun?
Might have to do the real deal and give some time to go look. But I am betting you will have meat on the table.
More dear killed with a .22 PB than an other caliber to date.
Placed shot.
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;D Very true many deer are shot with .22 especially when wild life contract hunters are culling deer in areas where the deer population is out of control
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Manny, those groups look great. I bet those would be sub MOA @ 100 yds. I can't wait to get to a range or out to the woods to shoot farther.
Yep, that should be sub MOA ctc at 100 yards in good conditions. Well done.
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Gr8Gorilla, get close and go for the headshot. Drop it where it stands and spare yourself a hike.
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I think we need to send many a new tape ruler, the weather there has go the best of his lol!!! David
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Gr8Gorilla, get close and go for the headshot. Drop it where it stands and spare yourself a hike.
I think white tail deer move their head almost constantly. It is definitely a lower percentage shot, even close. I understand if the opportunity arises that's the way to go. I figure if a 22 lr can get it done with a body shot under 50, we have a bigger hole and the same Fpe, maybe more.
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My neighboring state, Alabama, made white tail and hogs legal with .30 & larger air rifles. The state line is less than 2 hours away. Now, I just don't know about a head shot on a deer. I suppose at under 50 yds a .30 70-75 grain would still be carrying over 100 FPE at the target. My guess is that barring a Double shoulder hit, a heart/lung would be total pass thru. They say 45 ft/lbs is enough for white tails with a bow. I know they have a bigger wound channel and do lots of damage but I think the .30 can still do the job. Thoughts?
I would say so. .35 can do it with no problem if the power is there. You need enough power to pierce both lungs with a good broadside hit and a big enough hole that the lungs won't re-seal and re-inflate. Based on the numbers I've seen with the .30 Flex, I think the Flex could do it no problem. Your issue is going to be what kind of blood trail you get, and you're not going to know that until you try. No harm in trying if you're legal and stand a reasonable chance at being successful. You may find that the deer only consistently run under 30 yards before they die. Or you may find they run very far and leave little or no blood, just like they do with some otherwise good high powered rifle hits. Have a good blood trail dog on standby the first time you kill a deer with the Flex and if you find that .30 just doesn't cut it, just don't try it again.
Don't rule out headshots. Headshots are very doable on deer when they are either eating off the ground or staring intently at something. Poachers have been stacking deer up with .22LR brain shots for decades. I'd keep it close so that the deer won't have time to flinch between the sound of the shot and the impact of the pellet like they might with a bow string. But also think about how much faster a pellet is flying than an arrow is. Within 50 yards you should be fine. Just be very judicious to time your shot with the body language of the deer. And I would try a double lung shot first before the head shot just because its a higher percentage hit than the brain shot. Don't want to shoot the deer's jaw off.
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I think we need to send many a new tape ruler, the weather there has go the best of his lol!!! David
Right ? :) :) :)
my tools take a beating :)
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I have heard of poachers and legal hunters in at least one state taking deer with boiler room shots from a 22 lr consistently.
I think at some point gun and or ammo manufacturers influenced and inflated the accepted minimum FPE for killing game animals to sell more guns and ammo
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I think at some point gun and or ammo manufacturers influenced and inflated the accepted minimum FPE for killing game animals to sell more guns and ammo
BINGO !!!!!!
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That and the fact that not every "hunter" is an ethical or good hunter. So to ensure a "safe" kill you raise the FPE for a better margin.
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I have heard of poachers and legal hunters in at least one state taking deer with boiler room shots from a 22 lr consistently.
I think at some point gun and or ammo manufacturers influenced and inflated the accepted minimum FPE for killing game animals to sell more guns and ammo
I agree with you generally that there is a mythology propagated out there concerning what will and will not cleanly kill large game that tends to lean towards discounting smaller and weaker rounds in favor of sometimes overpowered rounds.
However hearing of people taking deer with .22LR with body shots is new to me. I come from a long line of Florida backwoods poachers and yet was also raised by an honest game warden. I've also prosecuted my fair share of poaching cases. I've seen both the outlaw and the law enforcement sides of it and I know most of the tricks of the trade. Never heard of poachers using .22LR for body shots. The number 1 rule of poaching is don't leave sign of your activities. Number 2 rule is to take the animals as efficiently as possible so you can get them butchered and the meat packed out quickly. It would seem to me that body shots with a .22LR would rarely result in an instantly dropped animal and would leave little or no blood trail to easily follow, especially at night. A poacher doesn't want to be trailing something all over the woods. That leaves more sign of the poacher's passing and is very inefficient. I'd be surprised if it was a common practice.
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... but back to the original topic... the .30 Flex impresses me more the more I learn about it.
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How much does the flex weigh?
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7lb 14oz
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;D The Flex and Slayer are both high on my want list and after the holidays I will have one or the other in my possession as my medium game hunter. I will be trying to get some coyote up near my in laws next spring
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;D The Flex and Slayer are both high on my want list and after the holidays I will have one or the other in my possession as my medium game hunter. I will be trying to get some coyote up near my in laws next spring
I had the same issue and chose shot count. I'm about to order another barrel or 2. A longer, 25" or 24.5" unchoked .30 barrel and maybe a 7mm not sure yet.
Also the ability to shoot pellets wss important. Slayer is a slug gun.
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The FLEX seems to be an on going up coming gun now after the intro.
A freak gun that has already proven many factors in the making off a great gun. So much more to come.
Pellet and slug barrels, different calibers.
Yet the Slayer is one nice profile gun?
The .30 cal has taken wings and attention to many makers now. Many brands offered and many out there that are HOTRODDERS!😨
So many choices. The FLEX is now a contender on the market. The gun is on the charts, on paper at many distances and NP video on records of all of the gun in action.
Congrats Travis and Jim!!🎯
Talk about is heavy and great for sales plus the new possibilities. JMO
FANGSTER
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The FLEX seems to be an on going up coming gun now after the intro.
A freak gun that has already proven many factors in the making off a great gun. So much more to come.
Pellet and slug barrels, different calibers.
Yet the Slayer is one nice profile gun?
The .30 cal has taken wings and attention to many makers now. Many brands offered and many out there that are HOTRODDERS!😨
So many choices. The FLEX is now a contender on the market. The gun is on the charts, on paper at many distances and NP video on records of all of the gun in action.
Congrats Travis and Jim!!🎯
Talk about is heavy and great for sales plus the new possibilities. JMO
FANGSTER
Totally agree. It's been amazing watching along the way as it all came together. Congrats Travis and Jim, much success to you.
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Much kudos to Jim and Travis!!!
THe flex will shake things up, no doubt.
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It want because it has already has!!🙈🙉🙊
AR furniture and all the adjustments for lop and scope focal.
Plus so many options of angle of the rear butt to fit you. As I have posted on other posts. You can angle the rear but off center and make a good fit to your own body and shoulder as the AR was designed for with the collar and lock design.
Many options out there.
But the gun has a super adjustable Powder Burnetr Trigger in it.
Much new intro has been developed in this gun as shot count on a non regulated gun. Shown on stats I have and stats that have been emailed to me.
The valve design is as the WAR valve for the Marauder. Hate to compare but a design squeezing all you can get out by research and calulations. But!# The gun has so much more potential and is a USA home brew. Parts are available and USA available parts and costumer service. Plus upgrades.
Fang
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
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Got lucky last nite, almost broke my trigger finger.....almost.
I was carrying one of those Quarterbarrel Kegs ( 87 pounds ) on my right shoulder and a Sixth Barrel Keg ( 58 Pounds in my left hand ) had to squeeze through a narrow doorway and clipped it with my right elbow, the keg on my shoulder started to go but I couldn't use my left hand to catch it,
I did try to hold on but the momentum took over and eventually it fell forward,
I had my hand inside the handle and almost broke my trigger finger in the process, ..super sore right now but I'll try do some more shooting later, Luckily the FLEX trigger doesn't take much :) :) :)
I should be 100% for Wednesday hunt ;)
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This was a weekend worth of supplies for you Manny...LOL There was probably a dead Sixth in the trunk. Glad your finger will mend quickly.
cheers,
Douglas
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Dang Manny dont they have hand trucks there or were you just trying to impress some chicks lol
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They got the chicks where he's at but you moved away from them yougen , except the ones on the slope and they have too many clothes on to tell anything about them. ;D
Bob
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Dang Manny dont they have hand trucks there or were you just trying to impress some chicks lol
"Showbiz" LOL
.......sometimes it just bites you in the @@@ :) :)
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Does the Flex come in .25Cal? Any reason behind it not being regulated? I love the thought of buy an American made Airgun, but going non-regulated seems like a step backwards, even with the up to date look and feel of the gun.
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You can order it regulated and in any bore you want up to .308
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Travis, Do you have a shot string of one in .308?
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You can order it regulated and in any bore you want up to .308
There you go,...pretty "FLEXible" :) :) :)
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You can order it regulated and in any bore you want up to .308
There you go,...pretty "FLEXible" :) :) :)
Well said.... well said
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Nice groups Manny. Thanks for posting the video. The Flex must have a very nice trigger.
I am going to hold out to see what the .308 can do. I would really like to see the Flex in 357/9mm or bigger caliber for deer hunting.
Harry
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Nice groups Manny. Thanks for posting the video. The Flex must have a very nice trigger.
I am going to hold out to see what the .308 can do. I would really like to see the Flex in 357/9mm or bigger caliber for deer hunting.
Harry
I'm in the same boat as you on the .308, but I think Travis said the .357 is simply too heavy of a round for the power. I like it because of the adjustable stock so my son can shoot it.
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The FLEX was in the woods today
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1949_zpsdb0cujwm.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1949_zpsdb0cujwm.jpg.html)
But, for the rest of the story you'll have to go to the Hunting gate :)
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Manny I got all excited and jumped on the hunting gate and I dont see anything in there :(
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Well done and nice pellet placement!
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Alright than, the FLEX is flying back to California so I might as well take a moment to give some final thoughts about this gun.
I had this gun for a month and a half, I shot 6 tins of pellets out of it ( 900 rounds )
I never touched anything in the gun, I never even bothered to clean the barrel.
I didn't baby the gun at all ( Travis will see that when he gets it back, sorry Travis :) :) ) I want to see how guns stand up under rough conditions, this gun got banged on trees, Jeep bed, doors and so on, spent a lot of time under the rain, I wasn't easy on her.
Never experienced any kind of malfunction, if something went wrong was all operator fault.
The gun staked pellets from day one to the last day.
The FLEX is obviously a no nonsense well build with a lot of thought behind, it might not have those fancy feature that make the marketing Flash, but all the important things are top notch,
Trigger is Phenomenal, very quiet, accuracy is top, air consumption is excellent so the valve is a solid design, barrel is tensioned, bolt action is simple and solid.
The platform itself again rock solid, capability of easy interchangeable barrels and easy tuning can take the gun down to 50 FPE and up to around 200 shooting cast .308 bullets.
The AR furniture make the Flex very ergonomic and the overall gun as great balance.
Lookwise I personally would prefer a tube gun but I know a lot of people out there thing differently.
Thanks Travis and Jim for giving me an opportunity to field test this new and I believe excellent product.
I think I covered just about everything from page one to now, but if you have any questions I'll try my best to answer them.
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Manny you covered it all an gave it the test that this gun needed.
It is built like a tank.
Design of the power plant and the interchangeable dresses is nice. Plus now the 308 option and a reg. Retractable probe design works vs other designs that do work but are not the same.
Copied the retractor on marauder and it did make a difference.JMO.
Hate as all to see you part the pcp and that gun.
Many thanks for all your honest help with me in our PM's and all your posts. History you made and premonted PORK!LOL🙈🙉🙊 The cow🐂 thanks you !!💀
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
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;D Well if this was your last PCP post it has been a pleasure living with you on your hunts in the tropical jungles . I for one will miss your posts about the different rifles you have used over the last couple of years. The springer world will benifit if you should start posting about the adventures in small pest hunting now ;) 8)
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im drooling , had to look the gun up on the wickedairrifles website. i love it. would love to see what kind of groups it puts down
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Manny good review and the fact it ended in a successful hunt puts the icing on the cake ;) I wouldnt think twice about buying this pcp if I was in the market for a heavy hitter. It looks the part and you cant ignore its performance so great job guys on building something that works as it should or better.
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Yes Leland, this platform will make many happy people :)
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Manny, thanks for all of the write up and photos of the Flex. The closest competitor to this gun that I see is the Impact. I find it curious that the Impact has drawn such attention from the market when it does not measure up to the Flex. I wonder if the Impact would have been able to endure such a real world evaluation?
I have saved and set aside my money to order the Flex but I am holding out for the next rifle planned from WAR that will be more compact. If WAR isn't able to make that gun then I'll get the Flex. This rifle in my eyes is just the pinnacle of air rifles to date. Truly a FLEXible platform that performs.
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Man, with all the problems arising with the Impact I think I would have been very tentative to take it hunting,....need a gun you can rely on when in the field ;)
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I was very-very late to the party Manny, But I sure enjoyed the read!!!
Now to figure out how to get one of these bad boy's!
Knife
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Hey Knife,
I think the FLEX is exactly your kinda gun ;D ;D
I'll bet you'll love it if you ever get one.
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There is one left in the classifieds still. Not a bad price. Though the one that sold on Yellow was a better deal.
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Knife,
Just call Travis at Wicked Airguns. He will build just what you want. One thing is if it is going to be a bench gun get the Flex. If you want something you can carry hunting get the Warp. You can get the Warp with the CF air tank and longer barrel to make the power but still have a more compact gun.
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Knife, if it's a bench gun, yes and more yes, flex is awesome.
Getting mine ready for the EBR.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/renderbrandt/Message_1473626403049.jpg)
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Knife,
Just call Travis at Wicked Airguns. He will build just what you want. One thing is if it is going to be a bench gun get the Flex. If you want something you can carry hunting get the Warp. You can get the Warp with the CF air tank and longer barrel to make the power but still have a more compact gun.
That is a great assessment,.......a ton of possibilities in those platforms.
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Heres a smoking deal!!!! http://airgunguild.com/airgun-classifieds/wts-flex-30/ (http://airgunguild.com/airgun-classifieds/wts-flex-30/) This will cost me a sale but I like to take care of my customers.