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Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« on: May 04, 2022, 09:04:34 PM »
I currently have two airguns: a Daisy 880 and an Umarex Origin in .22.  I have a small city back yard, can't get much further than 40' from my targets.  I'm legally allowed to shoot an air rifle with an appropriate back stop, and my main goal in shooting in the back yard is to practice general trigger/rifle shooting skills for hunting (with airgun, PB rifle, shotgun).

I've been shooting the 880 20-30 rounds a day for the past few weeks.  I'm using the 880 because it's way less work to pump (2 pumps!), cheaper ammo, and way less extra energy should a pellet go flying.  My 5-shot group sizes (iron sights) improved to 0.3-0.9" at 20 ft and it's kind of been stalled there (prone, no extra support).  I don't have confidence about what's me and what's the gun.

Should I get a different rifle?  Put a cheap 32mm scope on the 880?  Try to tune the Umarex down and shoot it?  Just do the barrel tape and credit card trigger mods on the 880?
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2022, 09:26:49 PM »
Absolutely do the trigger!  My LDC (Geo), elimiinates the need for taping the barrel, But I thought I read somewhere that it wasnot necessary on the newer guns.  I could very well well be mistaken on that.


If you can see with the irons well enough than a scope may not be necessary.


What cheap ammo are you using??? In other words have you found a pellet that the gun likes or are you shooting whatever you can find?  There can be a very big difference perfomance wise between brands, shapes, weights etc.


While I have a modded 880 that shoots very well, I am not a huge fan of pumpers so don't shoot it all that much.  I wonder if two pumps is enough for pellet stability and shot consistency.  I always use at least 3-4 pumps.  Someone more knowledgeable than me will chime in otn that I'm sure.
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2022, 10:50:09 PM »
 Here is a more recent post on how to get the most out an 880 https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=189250.0
 Besides the trigger IIR there are links to some of the older modification post also.
 Keep the Origin up in power for back yard bullies etc.
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2022, 02:03:40 AM »
I would try shooting at different number of pumps, to find what velocity shoots best in your rifle.

The other issue is how well can YOU see at 20 feet?
If you cannot aim well and consistently, you can't shoot tight groups.
Old saying "aim small to hit small."  For me, that means the magnification of a scope.

If the trigger is gritty, you got to work on that.
I once shot a 953 that had such a BAD trigger than I spent more effort fighting the trigger than aiming.  And I finally gave up in disgust.  Fixed the trigger, and now it is a great shooter.
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2022, 06:37:30 PM »
"I don't have confidence about what's me and what's the gun."

Besides the good advices above, I would start .. seated, very well rested and trying my best as the shooter.  After knowing those groups, I would try prone with no extra support.
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2022, 07:44:23 PM »
Thanks for all the replies.  I should have replied sooner.

I haven't tried all the advice given in this thread yet, but I did try varying the number of pumps in the 2-5 range, which didn't change group size as far as I could tell.

But trying other ammo did seem to make a big difference.  I'd been shooting the cheap Crosman "Essential Domed Recreational" 7.0gr.  Today I shot 6 groups of 5 using AA Diabolo Express 7.87gr.  Normally (again at 20 ft) my best group will be 0.3xx and my worst group will be more than 0.800.  Today my tightest 3 groups were 0.24x, 0.26x, 0.30x, and my worst group was 0.6xx.

I've also modified my targets to make them easier to line up for a clean 6 o'clock hold on these iron sights, but a scope is in my future.
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2022, 09:23:34 PM »
Is it me or the gun? That's an age old question. When the archer misses the mark----
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2022, 11:50:42 PM »
My 880 is most consistent and accurate with 10 pumps. The best pellet Iíve found for it is H&N FTT 8.64gr.
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2022, 03:41:46 AM »
Not an 880, but my 901 only likes heavy pellets at 10 pumps. RWS Supermags seem to be its favorite.
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Re: Back yard paper punching: is it me or the gun?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2022, 08:08:44 AM »
Not an 880, but my 901 only likes heavy pellets at 10 pumps. RWS Supermags seem to be its favorite.

^^^Yep this for sure! Both my 880 and 901 do better with more pumps and heavy pellets.
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