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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: casino7095 on April 21, 2022, 02:00:06 PM
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UPS just delivered my Gen3. First thoughts it is a pretty gun. Looks to be well built. Gun had 0PSI, so was not pressure test before shipping (if it was, I have a problem). Aired it up to 15MPA (2175PSI) for first pressure test. Note would not air up in un-cock mode, air just came out the barrel end. Cocked the gun to air up from Zero. If holding air after 24hrs will take it up to 20MPA (2900PSI). Like I said looks well-built all metal and wood.
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UPS just delivered my Gen3. First thoughts it is a pretty gun. Looks to be well built. Gun had 0PSI, so was not pressure test before shipping (if it was, I have a problem). Aired it up to 15MPA (2175PSI) for first pressure test. Note would not air up in un-cock mode, air just came out the barrel end. Cocked the gun to air up from Zero. If holding air after 24hrs will take it up to 20MPA (2900PSI). Like I said looks well-built all metal and wood.
Garry, take it to 20MPa and send a few pellets. The seats can take a bit to seal.
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UPS just delivered my Gen3. First thoughts it is a pretty gun. Looks to be well built. Gun had 0PSI, so was not pressure test before shipping (if it was, I have a problem). Aired it up to 15MPA (2175PSI) for first pressure test. Note would not air up in un-cock mode, air just came out the barrel end. Cocked the gun to air up from Zero. If holding air after 24hrs will take it up to 20MPA (2900PSI). Like I said looks well-built all metal and wood.
Garry, take it to 20MPa and send a few pellets. The seats can take a bit to seal.
Thanks, took it 20MPA and then shot it down to 15MPA. Will give now give it 24hrs test. Will refill to 20MPA tomorrow and see how many shots I get before it falls off the regulator. It is quiet, love the magazine, very smooth cocking.
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Bar, psi and MPa...... aak, it gets so confusing. :o
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Bar, psi and MPa...... aak, it gets so confusing. :o
Yes, USA uses PSI, the rest of the world uses MPA and BAR.
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My only issue with my DAR G3 so far is I haven't had time to shoot it more! Going to try some H&N baracuda hunter 18.21s and terminator pellets this weekend see how they do.
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Got my scope mounted WestHunter Optics WHI 4-16X50 SFIR FFP.
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I too was bit by this DAR Gen 3 bug. Mine arrived yesterday at work and I brought it home this evening. Zero air in tank, but I aired it to 20 MPA and mounted a 4x14x44 TRUGLO FFP scope. Sighted in with about 8 shots at 25 yards then grabbed the FX chronograph. Checked a few shots with 15.89 JSBs. They were right around 865-870. Topped it off to 20 MPA and shot a full 50 shot string just to see how/where the reg is set. First shot was 837, then 853, then a string of 27 shots between 865 and 880. First shot of the fourth mag it came off the reg and the velocity started to climb up to 932 at shot eight (38 of the string) then back to 919 by the end of mag four. Mag number five started at 919 and ended (50th shot) at 847.
I put about 250 rounds through it tonight. Was getting decent groups at 50 yards with a 10-15 MPH wind at my 8 o’clock. (See Pic - six covered by a dime and four “flyers” thanks to the wind) Will be interesting to see how it performs without the wind interfering. Pushed the NOE 23 grain slugs at a little over 800 f/s for a few high power shots once it fell off the reg again on the second fill.
I think I will pull it apart in the near future and up the reg pressure just a touch to see what it can do. Seems to fall off reg at around 14 MPA. I’d be interested to hear what others have their regulators set at.
I’ve gotta admit, I’m pretty impressed even with the price increase of $100 from the GEN 2 price of $299. Is it worth the $499 price tag that is being asked now? Too early to tell about that, but it really does handle nicer than my MRODs and although it doesn’t look like it should be - it’s lighter. Once again, Thanks you bunch of enablers!!!
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Still running the $100 off until 4/30/22. Wish they would get magazines in stock. More I look at it and look at close-up photos of the JTS Airacuda standard looks like same manufacturer. The breech is the same and the filled cap and barrel band is the same. So far looking good with having a 25 cc Plenum no Ping. Has the 1/2 UNF but it is quiet without putting a moderator on it. The cocking handle is very smooth. Best magazine I have on any gun. More testing to come, recording my tests.
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I too was bit by this DAR Gen 3 bug. Mine arrived yesterday at work and I brought it home this evening. Zero air in tank, but I aired it to 20 MPA and mounted a 4x14x44 TRUGLO FFP scope. Sighted in with about 8 shots at 25 yards then grabbed the FX chronograph. Checked a few shots with 15.89 JSBs. They were right around 865-870. Topped it off to 20 MPA and shot a full 50 shot string just to see how/where the reg is set. First shot was 837, then 853, then a string of 27 shots between 865 and 880. First shot of the fourth mag it came off the reg and the velocity started to climb up to 932 at shot eight (38 of the string) then back to 919 by the end of mag four. Mag number five started at 919 and ended (50th shot) at 847.
I put about 250 rounds through it tonight. Was getting decent groups at 50 yards with a 10-15 MPH wind at my 8 o’clock. (See Pic - six covered by a dime and four “flyers” thanks to the wind) Will be interesting to see how it performs without the wind interfering. Pushed the NOE 23 grain slugs at a little over 800 f/s for a few high power shots once it fell off the reg again on the second fill.
I think I will pull it apart in the near future and up the reg pressure just a touch to see what it can do. Seems to fall off reg at around 14 MPA. I’d be interested to hear what others have their regulators set at.
I’ve gotta admit, I’m pretty impressed even with the price increase of $100 from the GEN 2 price of $299. Is it worth the $499 price tag that is being asked now? Too early to tell about that, but it really does handle nicer than my MRODs and although it doesn’t look like it should be - it’s lighter. Once again, Thanks you bunch of enablers!!!
Based on your information, upping reg pressure is the wrong way to go. Increase your HS first. The reg is already too high with the setting it is at now.
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I too was bit by this DAR Gen 3 bug. Mine arrived yesterday at work and I brought it home this evening. Zero air in tank, but I aired it to 20 MPA and mounted a 4x14x44 TRUGLO FFP scope. Sighted in with about 8 shots at 25 yards then grabbed the FX chronograph. Checked a few shots with 15.89 JSBs. They were right around 865-870. Topped it off to 20 MPA and shot a full 50 shot string just to see how/where the reg is set. First shot was 837, then 853, then a string of 27 shots between 865 and 880. First shot of the fourth mag it came off the reg and the velocity started to climb up to 932 at shot eight (38 of the string) then back to 919 by the end of mag four. Mag number five started at 919 and ended (50th shot) at 847.
I put about 250 rounds through it tonight. Was getting decent groups at 50 yards with a 10-15 MPH wind at my 8 o’clock. (See Pic - six covered by a dime and four “flyers” thanks to the wind) Will be interesting to see how it performs without the wind interfering. Pushed the NOE 23 grain slugs at a little over 800 f/s for a few high power shots once it fell off the reg again on the second fill.
I think I will pull it apart in the near future and up the reg pressure just a touch to see what it can do. Seems to fall off reg at around 14 MPA. I’d be interested to hear what others have their regulators set at.
I’ve gotta admit, I’m pretty impressed even with the price increase of $100 from the GEN 2 price of $299. Is it worth the $499 price tag that is being asked now? Too early to tell about that, but it really does handle nicer than my MRODs and although it doesn’t look like it should be - it’s lighter. Once again, Thanks you bunch of enablers!!!
Based on your information, upping reg pressure is the wrong way to go. Increase your HS first. The reg is already too high with the setting it is at now.
I agree.
You either need to up the hammer spring or lower the reg pressure, depending on what pellet you want to shot at a certain velocity.
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I too was bit by this DAR Gen 3 bug. Mine arrived yesterday at work and I brought it home this evening. Zero air in tank, but I aired it to 20 MPA and mounted a 4x14x44 TRUGLO FFP scope. Sighted in with about 8 shots at 25 yards then grabbed the FX chronograph. Checked a few shots with 15.89 JSBs. They were right around 865-870. Topped it off to 20 MPA and shot a full 50 shot string just to see how/where the reg is set. First shot was 837, then 853, then a string of 27 shots between 865 and 880. First shot of the fourth mag it came off the reg and the velocity started to climb up to 932 at shot eight (38 of the string) then back to 919 by the end of mag four. Mag number five started at 919 and ended (50th shot) at 847.
I put about 250 rounds through it tonight. Was getting decent groups at 50 yards with a 10-15 MPH wind at my 8 o’clock. (See Pic - six covered by a dime and four “flyers” thanks to the wind) Will be interesting to see how it performs without the wind interfering. Pushed the NOE 23 grain slugs at a little over 800 f/s for a few high power shots once it fell off the reg again on the second fill.
I think I will pull it apart in the near future and up the reg pressure just a touch to see what it can do. Seems to fall off reg at around 14 MPA. I’d be interested to hear what others have their regulators set at.
I’ve gotta admit, I’m pretty impressed even with the price increase of $100 from the GEN 2 price of $299. Is it worth the $499 price tag that is being asked now? Too early to tell about that, but it really does handle nicer than my MRODs and although it doesn’t look like it should be - it’s lighter. Once again, Thanks you bunch of enablers!!!
Based on your information, upping reg pressure is the wrong way to go. Increase your HS first. The reg is already too high with the setting it is at now.
YEP…. Thanks Rich, I got to thinking about it after I wrote it and was staring at the ceiling while trying to sleep. Either LESS reg pressure or MORE hammer spring. Will mess with it tonight after work and post some results.
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Question? Are the adjustments the same on the Dar as on the Avenger. Increase hammer spring turn clockwise, increase regulator turn counter-clockwise.
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Question? Are the adjustments the same on the Dar as on the Avenger. Increase hammer spring turn clockwise, increase regulator turn counter-clockwise.
They are on the Gen 2, so I would ASSume that they are on the Gen 3, but do not have first-hand knowledge of the gen 3.
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Question? Are the adjustments the same on the Dar as on the Avenger. Increase hammer spring turn clockwise, increase regulator turn counter-clockwise.
They are on the Gen 2, so I would ASSume that they are on the Gen 3, but do not have first-hand knowledge of the gen 3.
Gen 3 regulator:
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Got some shooting in today at 30 yards. The wind is 20 mph south, gusting to about 35. Seemed to do well with the H&N terminator pellets, as long as the wind didn't catch them. Did better than the baracuda hunters which is unfortunate since I have over 2000 of those pellets and my flashpup doesn't digest them well either. Hopefully they find a home in the kral jumbo I'm building.
So far the Gen3 is hole in hole with 18.13s, 14.3 cphp, 14.3 cp domes, and now the terminators. I believe they will do hole in hole on a less windy day, but I gotta work with what time I have and what the good lord presents me with lol. I will revisit the baracuda hunters on a calm day, the do tend to get knocked around pretty easy. Next up will be FTTs and crow magnums.
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Crow magnums... does anyone have a gun that shoots these worth a darn? They were all over the place and I was mindful of the wind before I took my shots.
FTT in 5.55 head size were grouping, just 4 inches right of my center. The 5.53 head size did about the same.
So far the crosman HP and magnum domes, terminators, and baracuda 18s all hit at the same point of aim which is great. Love having options! Those terminators are devastating on birds and small game.
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Crow magnums... does anyone have a gun that shoots these worth a darn?
One of the most atrocious pellets I have ever had the misfortune to try. In 5 years, no rifle has ever grouped them acceptably at even 25 yards. Thankfully they were a gift.
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Was going to test this weekend but I in the hospital. will have to wait till I get out.
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Was going to test this weekend but I in the hospital. will have to wait till I get out.
Heal quick Garry! We need you here. :-\
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Had hypertensive crisis Friday, hope to be out on Monday.
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Had hypertensive crisis Friday, hope to be out on Monday.
Oh man, hopefully they get ya patched up good! Take care
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Winds are HOWLING today, we just made a trip to Iowa to the Newton NASCAR track and back, our gas mileage increased by a full 10 MPH with the winds blowing us up north!
This means, no shooting at all until the winds get under 10MPH or it's all Kentucky Windage and no skill. I guess I'll just tear down the G3 in .22 and see what's inside?
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Day 3 in the hospital feeling better. Sitting up in a chair now. Not happy I'm here and my brand-new DAR Gen3 is hanging on the wall at home. Well, it is getting a good pressure test.
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Home from hospital will start my review when I build up the strength. Turns out I had Diastolic heart failure.
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Home from hospital will start my review when I build up the strength. Turns out I had Diastolic heart failure.
Well you take it easy Garry, we'll be here when you're ready.
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Congrats on returning home, glad you are recovering. ;D
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Hammer spring: what is needed? Is this a Star Key Wrench?
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M4 hex
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M4 hex
Thank-you, my old eyes didn't see the hex on the edge.
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No problem. The broaching leaves a deceptive marking.
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No problem. The broaching leaves a deceptive marking.
Going to increase hammer spring a little. Want to try to get 70fps more out of JSB 18.1. Shooting them at 819fps right now.
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No problem. The broaching leaves a deceptive marking.
Going to increase hammer spring a little. Want to try to get 70fps more out of JSB 18.1. Shooting them at 819fps right now.
That's about where mine came set at, then after 30 shots it would climb up to 900 or so for about 10 shots then drop off fast. I turned til just shy of coil bind and now it's getting 890-900 with 18.13s for exactly 30 shots then climbs for a couple shots into the 910 range and falls off. I had hoped for more shots out of the rifle but it is what it is. Its very accurate so the low shot count is acceptable.
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No problem. The broaching leaves a deceptive marking.
Going to increase hammer spring a little. Want to try to get 70fps more out of JSB 18.1. Shooting them at 819fps right now.
That's about where mine came set at, then after 30 shots it would climb up to 900 or so for about 10 shots then drop off fast. I turned til just shy of coil bind and now it's getting 890-900 with 18.13s for exactly 30 shots then climbs for a couple shots into the 910 range and falls off. I had hoped for more shots out of the rifle but it is what it is. Its very accurate so the low shot count is acceptable.
Adjust just shy of no cocking getting 875fps with JSB 18.1 and 926fps with Hades 16.9. It is raining today I know with my other PCPs low pressure area lowers the fps will retest on sunny day.
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No problem. The broaching leaves a deceptive marking.
Going to increase hammer spring a little. Want to try to get 70fps more out of JSB 18.1. Shooting them at 819fps right now.
You can get a few good turns from the hammer spring easily, just make sure it cocks freely so you know it's not spring bound. The regulator really needs to be changed to get your speed then the hammer spring is the fine adjustment for finding your curve.
I have not broken my .25 open yet, momma put the proverbial kibosh on all non-Honey-Do! list items today! ::)
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Had my 22 cal out again this morning first time with no wind to really speak of. I also shoot from between my house and the neighbor's house down into my pellet trap 30 yards. There is a bad echo in this area, and the report of the gun barely gets amplified. Clapping is significantly louder.
Shooting from a chair with the gun propped up on a towel on top of my BBQ pit, I was getting multiple hole in hole shots. Ended up with 30 shots all with in a dime size group. I didn't even sort the pellets and was shooting 18.13s
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Took the DAR and my flashpup over to my dad's for some BBQ today and got to shoot some farther groups. 60 yards and I was surprised that the DAR did BETTER with the cheap crosman hollow points vs the 18.13 pellets. Shooting from his deck railing, no other support besides resting the gun on my hand, and it was shooting dime and nickel size groups with them. Occasional fliers, but I was impressed. The flashpup, even with a 6x less power scope, held its own. It was stacking pellets with 18.13s, did so so with the 14.3s.
I then proceeded to pop sparrows at the fence line which is exactly 75 yards. Got a few on the power lines that are another 10 yards past. I couldn't believe it. All with the cheapest pellets I have! Too bad no squirrels showed up.
Best part is, the 975 fps velocity is giving me a very flat trajectory. My brother was blown away by the accuracy and balance of the DAR. I'm starting to think they just might be worth the new $500 price tag lol.
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Yes, I agree, the new DAR Gen 3 is significantly better than the Gen 2.
My Gen 3 is 22 caliber. This is turning out to be an ideal choice because it is very (fully) quiet with the stock shroud and needs no additional LDC. By fully quiet, I mean adding more quieting (e.g., an LDC or a larger LDC) does not get it any quieter. I had to add a small LDC to the 25 cal to get it fully quiet and that increases the length of the gun and the cost.
Others have posted the obvious improvements in the Gen 3, but I also noticed the screws are upsized and stronger than they were in the Gen 2 or Gen 1. For me, that is important, because I do all my own maintenance and tuning, so I take my guns apart. The last thing I want is a stripped screw or stripped allen head.
I have not yet done any tuning on my new 22 Gen 3, other than to remove all the creep out of the trigger. I did fully clean the barrel and that is important for any new airgun. I get a little over 3 magazines on regulator, then the velocity rises steeply so I know I can get better efficiency with some tuning.
Ray